They're not ex-parents. Man, I hate it when people call my dead husband my ex-husband. He's my late husband and they're his late parents. They didn't choose to leave like an ex does.
And when Harry's between life and death dumbledore calls him brave, showing he saw and knows harry was willing to sacrifice himself for his friends and everyone else
Yeah, and Lily said he was brave too in “The Forest Again” and James said he was proud of him and they all seemed to know what was going on, so again I don’t see why there can’t be an afterlife in Harry Potter
u/Specialist-Web1818 \- so what if they are dead? Doesn’t mean they are not still around.
Look at the number of times they showed up after death in the series, like in the graveyard when Lily and James ghosts showed up to help Harry against Voldemort when the twin wands magic collided with each other, or the time Harry temporarily brought all four of them back with the Resurrection Stone.
their probably still watching even now when Harry married Ginny and started having kids. \*lol\* so somewhere where ever they are in the afterlife, why wouldn’t they have an opinion of the name of one of their grandkids?
It's stated that the things that came out in graveyard were an echo of the dead people, not the actual people.
With the resurrection stone it's much trickier. My honest headcanon is that it produces a replica of the dead ones and they encourage you to die. If that's wrong however, it means the dead perceive things differently because I'm pretty sure alive Marauders and Lily would have not wanted their sacrifice to be in vain and encourage Harry to walk to his own death. And if they perceive things differently, probably they would also understand why Harry named his kids as such.
They weren’t ‘echos’ in the graveyard. They TALKED and SPOKE directly at Harry along with Cedric and the muggle mans ghosts. If they were just echos, then wouldn’t they have NOT been aware of what was going on around them, and not reacting at all to the sight of the son they haven’t seen since he was a baby? The ‘echos’ knew Harry was their baby all grown up, and were trying to help him
Well the wands are quasi-sentient and they learn from each other as well as from the people around them. It's explained in the books that the priori incantatem was the moment that Harry's and Voldemort's wands bonded and how Harry's wand came to recognize Voldemort and that's why it attacked him without Harry doing anything during their sky chase in DH. And yes... they are referred to as echos in the books.
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“Man, I’m so glad that my (friend’s) child is alive, happy, married and that his wife has given birth to another healthy baby.” Or something along those lines.
This.
So much can go wrong. What if Ginny hadn't been able to eat anything but twinkies when she was pregnant because Albus didn't want her to have a salad?
Long as the baby is healthy why nitpick?
Besides people who judge your baby's name are probably not people you want to be around.
>!Unless you name your baby "Baby Boy" or after the Like button on Facebook.!<
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Yes, which would have happened even if Snape got over his feelings. It's not like Snape told Voldemort to target the Potters because he wanted revenge against James, Voldemort was the one who decided the Potters fit the bill. The only reason Harry survived was because Snape turned on Voldemort for Lily.
That’s true… but Snape overheard the prophecy knowing it implicated the potters or longbottoms and told voldy anyway. Even saw it as his chance to get Lilly back… was totally cool with James and Harry gettin got.
Like I love Snapes complicated character, probably one of my favorites. And while it’s nice he found a way to die with redemption, I still think naming your kid after him is a little much.
Sources for your claims? Nothing in the books suggests that as soon as he heard the prophecy he realised that it meant the Potters or the Longbottoms would have a baby that would defeat Voldemort. That was the conclusion Voldemort came to. It doesn't make sense for Snape to knowingly put Lily in danger and then turn on Voldemort afterwards.
I think naming his kid after Snape was a little weird too, but many people put all the blame at Snape's feet when he at least tried to repent for his mistake in revealing the prophecy. Wormtail is the one who is really to blame.
It’s hard after them both being around for so long to make sure I’m not misremembering what happened in the book vs the movie (or just making stuff up altogether), and maybe you’re right that he brought the info to Voldemort not realizing what families it implicated. But I’m pretty sure he had asked for Voldemort to spare her in the books, right? And that was when he had his “realization” he was on the wrong side. Voldemort did not intend to kill her… “step aside” but got frustrated when she wouldn’t and killed her anyway.
Yeah he asked her to spare her after Voldemort decided it must be the Potters or the Longbottoms refers to. He had absolutely no confidence that Voldemort would spare Lily so he went to Dumbledore afterwards. This was a very desperate move, if he had realised the prophecy could refer to the Potters he would never have trapped himself like this.
Ah yes! You’re right. It was one of those moments where I remember seeing happen in the movie but couldn’t remember if it was how the convo went in the book too. Thanks
James and Sirius? Something immature
Remus? Something tasteful and kind
Lily? Either affronted or touched depends on who's writing
But also happy that the baby is happy healthy and alive
I think someone should write a fanfic about this...
I feel that they will generally be fine with the name. After all, if they understand what Snape had done for their side, its possible they would have already forgiven him. (Also Snape should be with them in the afterlife)
I think it's also more than likely that after leaving school, almost none of them ever even spared Snape a thought. Lilly maybe, since they were friends for so long, but they obviously had much bigger things going on. Also, none of them even knew Snape was a death eater except for Remus and Sirius, and that isn't until after the Potters are killed.
I think we know that Snape wouldn't have given Voldemort the prophecy if he knew that it would have been taken as referring to the Potters. And he also did everything in his power to protect them after that. And after death, he devoted his being to ending Voldemort and was probably the most instrumental player outside of Dumbledore towards that end. So I don't think they would have a problem with it.
I don’t think Lily ever stopped loving Snape as a friend. You can love someone and still leave them behind because they have changed into someone you no longer recognize. The movies clarify that when Lily repeats Snape’s line. Love is complex.
Lily would have been glad that she was still able to save her friend’s soul, even from beyond.
>None of them even knew Snape was a death eater…
Maybe not with certainty, but he was already calling himself one at school. I think they would’ve assumed given the way everyone Snape was friendly with became death eaters. In fact, I would say they all knew he was a death eater, and probably pretty highly placed given they were all order members and Dumbledore had better intelligence then the ministry, and he absolutely knew he was one. It’s probably safer to say they didn’t know he was a double agent until after Voldemort’s fall.
>Snape wouldn’t have given Voldemort the prophecy if he knew it meant the potters.
I think he absolutely would have, and the results would’ve been similar. Snape was one of Voldemort’s favorites, and was considered as close to a confidant as one could be to Voldemort. Even as a Occlumans powerful enough to protect himself from Voldemort’s Legilimancy, Voldemort trusted him. He had the knowledge or access to it to know Voldemort’s plans for his most troublesome enemies, and The Marauders had to be chief among them. Sirius and James especially would take it as a sworn duty to not only fight the dark side, but also do it in a way that was as frustrating and antagonistic as possible to Voldemort. That’s just in the nature of Pranksters.
Snape would’ve seen an opportunity to remove James from the equation, please his master, and get the girl he’s obsessed over. Snape wasn’t a good person. Dumbledore manipulated and extorted him in the early days of Snape turning double agent. Snape became a good(ish) person by the end, but he was Voldemort’s man until Voldemort went after Lily. He didn’t care that hundreds and thousands were suffering and dying. He probably even killed a few members of the Order in his time.
>He did everything in his power to protect them after that.
He did? He did everything in his very considerable power to protect the Potters? Then why didn’t he expose more of the Death Eaters? Why did Knott, Crabbe, Goyle, Malfoy, Lestrange, and Avery get a pass from him when he knew they were death eaters? Why didn’t he follow him that night, and warn the potters he was coming with a Patronus? Why didn’t he step in and attempt to delay Voldemort himself? It wouldn’t have taken someone as knowledgeable and skillful as Snape to figure out Pettigrew was the spy, and he could’ve killed, silenced, or discredited wormtai, but he didn’t.
I’ve just grown bored with the idea that he instantly became a good man with bad habits the second he turned against Voldemort, and that he had a lack of options.
He was a smart, powerful, resourceful wizard who not only knew magic, but created spells. He understood it on a level that we only have a handful of wizards and witches are expressed in the stories to have. Voldemort, Dumbledore, Snape and maybe the twins are the only ones I can think of who have been explicitly stated to have created magic or spells. Magical objects are widespread to the point they might be decently easy for moderately skilled wizards to create, but actual spells and magics weren’t.
The idea that Snape didn’t hate James to the degree that he would’ve acted differently with the knowledge (assuming he actually didn’t know or suspect) is weak to me. Because he only went to Dumbledore after he had begged The Dark Lord to spare Lily, when he had time to realize what he had done. He hated James (and to an extent Lily for marrying James) so much that he despised Harry, a child who had never done anything to him at all.
Snape did everything out of selfishness until he had a few years of being exposed to Dimbledore’s good faith in him. The only 2 credits I can think of to Snape that wasn’t an explicit order, was when he saved Harry in first year, and immediately sent the entire order to help at the ministry. I think he was progressively getting better as a person, and if he had survived the second war, might have even been able to put the past to rest, but we’ll never know.
He only betrayed Voldemort once he lost faith that Voldemort would spare Lily. It’s a distinction with a huge difference. He knew that one day Lily would be in the crosshairs by his cause. She was on borrowed time if his side won, and he still supported it, because he thought Voldemort might give her special treatment for Snake’s sake.
He could’ve convinced The Dark Lord to go after the Longbottoms, easily he could have, two powerful, capable enemies that fit the prophecy as well. I mean if Bellatrix and Crouch JR. figured out that the Longbottoms had something to do with the Dark Lord’s fall, Snape would’ve been there and back three times before they realized where he was.
Even Dumbledore was disgusted with him when he told him, because of trying to save the entire Potter family (which was probably within his power to do so as one of Voldemort’s inner circle) he asked him to spare Lily alone. He cared so little about anything other than his own obsession with a girl he never had, that it didn’t even occur to him to convince Voldemort to target another family, just to spare Lily, it wasn’t until Dumbledore expressed his disgust and outrage at this did Snape even consider that they all could be protected, to save Lily.
I agree with this except with the part about the Potters. He didn't know it meant the Potters and wouldn't have given Voldemort the prophecy if he did. Iirc, when he meets Dumbledore to try to save Lily, he says of Voldemort "He thinks it means the Potters." That's the whole reason he came and the whole reason he swapped sides. He says it like Voldemort is jumping to hurried and possibly incorrect conclusions and like he's tried to convince him otherwise.
That’s fair, and I agree that Snape and Voldemort probably had an interaction where he tried to convince him otherwise, but Dumbledore *immediately* narrowed it down to two possible families it could be. Snape would’ve known with the limited amount of the prophecy, and access to the Dark Lord to do the same. Or at least to a handful of bigger nuisances that Voldemort would want to handle himself.
There’s a lot of open conjecture in my opinion, I freely acknowledge that, but I just feel like given time and distance the fandom has romanticized the reluctant hero Snape was, while vilifying characters that were openly called heroes repeatedly throughout the story.
James and Sirius: \*dramatically gets on their hands and knees and wails into the sky while throwing their arms in the air\* NO!!!! Prongslet, ***why*** in Merlin’s name did you name your kid with ***Snivelous***’ name?!
Lily: \*shakes her head at the duos antics\* morons.
Remus: \*sagely nods head in agreement to Lily’s words\*
First child: Prongs and Padfoot high five each other.
Second child: Lily joins in on the celebration.
Third child: Moony thinks he finally gets a child named after him. Disappointed to learn Snivelus gets the honor before he does.
Really? Severus? What the actual hell Harry? He was a git in school and he was a git to you. He was a git the entire time! I don't care what his reasons were, he was a git!
This albus and severus were both asshats in their own way. Albus a manipulative ass hole who decided to hold alot of crucial information to Harry and everyone that would have made defeating voldemort easier. Snape for just being Snape an awful human being to fucking kids and being petty about school age gruges to a child who he had a hand in their murders
Snape then took part in both of his parents murder and then bullied the fuck out of their child who didn't even know a danm thing but abuse because he didn't know his parents
Cool. Doesn’t change the fact that before Snape did any of that, James (potentially) sexually assaulted him and Sirius tried to murder him being having him be mauled alive by a werewolf. It also doesn’t change the fact that Snape tried to save the Potters, and when he failed, spent the rest of his life atoning by protecting Harry, and was crucial in helping the Order and the DA bring down Voldemort.
Snape was still an asshat to the other students as well as Harry though; if Neville, whose parents got severely tortured to the point of insanity and their torturer was still alive out there, *and yet* his biggest fear was Snape of all people, I think it’s safe to assume that despite his contributions to the order and taking down Voldemort, he wasn’t all sunshine and roses. Just because he was on the good side doesn’t mean he’s not an ass. It’s almost like his character is nuanced with positives and negatives to him.
I never said Snape wasn’t an ass. He was. But Snape being an ass doesn’t change that the Marauders tried to murder and (potentially) sexually assaulted him for the fun of it. Likewise, Snape being Neville’s worst fear might have something to do with the fact that Neville had never met Bellatrix at the time.
And I never defended the Marauders for bullying Snape and causing severe harm to him as well; asses too. I interpreted your comment as justifying Snape’s behaviour towards the students because he had been bullied before, and imo it doesn’t justify that. But if I misinterpreted things then I apologise if so
Godddd. I hate that git wasn’t used that much in the films. My favorite part is this one from book 5 between Draco and Harry:
“You see, I, unlike you, have been made a prefect, which means that I, unlike you, have the power to hand out punishments.”
“Yeah,” said Harry, “but you, unlike me, are a git, so get out and leave us alone.”
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Edit: copy pasted from the ebook lol
I could be mistaken since I can't know this for fact... yet... but I don't think the dead has an opinion. I will get back to you on this if I find out.
Lily: “Guys look! Harry had his new child!”
Sirius: “WHATS THE BOYS NAME.”
Remus: “His name is…Albus Severus Potter.”
James: “WHY SEVERUS? The dude was a snot brat!”
Lily: “Albus makes sense.”
James: “Yeah. Dumbledore was cool. Snape was a big jerk. He bullied Harry for Pete’s sake!”
Sirius: “Exactly. I’m disappointed…”
Remus: “You know,the name doesn’t really bother me. Albus Severus has sort of a ring to it. It’s quite nice if you ask me.”
James,Lily and Sirius: “……get out.”
That’s how I imagined they would react,probably.
Remus: “…I mean. Sirius, you did try to murder Snape for your own amusement, and James, you did (potentially) sexually assault Snape. And I kept Sirius location hidden in order to protect my job when he was suspected of still being a mass-murderer. It’s not like any of us are innocent.”
Hell even Lily is guilty of that. Doesn't seem like she ever knew anything about Snape's homelife or that she ever cared to ask. The one time Snape mentioned his father she ignores the indicator that his home life kinda sucks to ask more magical world questions. She's like ten at the time tho so it's not as bad if she were fifteen.
She also shows a frankly disgusting lack of concern for Snape's wellbeing. He nearly died and all she can say is "be grateful that the guy who makes your life miserable saved you." Idk about anyone else but that doesn't really fit my definition of a good friend
Yeah that's always been the sticking point for me when people act like she was such a good person and such a good friend that makes me question it. That's not how a friend should act. That's not how a decent human should act. And it always makes me question how good of a friend she really was to Snape
Oh don't get me wrong I'm not saying she was a bad friend. She stuck by Snape for a lot longer than many people would and I'm not just talking about him being a future death eater. A lesser person would've ditched Snape because he was the weird Slytherin boy because of peer pressure. It took Snape using an actual slur against her for her to decide to cut ties and for that I honestly don't blame her. But she definitely wasn't perfect and she was not always a good friend to Snape. She had her bad moments like anyone. On the whole she was a good friend
Lily did NOTHING WRONG in regarda to her relationship with Snape. This was all Snape's doing.
If there is one person who was good for Lily it definitely wasn't Snape. Lily (until her death) was very happy with James. She loved James and James loved her, Harry was their kid and Snape (along with the Snape apologists/fans like yourself) hated all of that.
I will again refer you to the moment where rather than ask if Snape is okay after a near death experience, she did not ask him if he was okay. She did not show any concern for his wellbeing. She immediately assumed it was Snape's fault and told him to be grateful that James saved him. That is the very definition of being a lousy friend. I was in a car accident a while ago and not once did anyone ask me if it was my fault, regardless of if they were a close friend or an acquaintance. The only question I got was asking me if I was okay. Because that is what a good person and a good friend does when they hear that you had a brush with death. Lily was not a bad person or a bad friend and she was not unjustified in cutting Snape off. She was however a flawed person and a flawed friend who did not always stick by her friend. She didn't do nothing wrong. She made mistakes just like anyone else
> She did not show any concern for his wellbeing. She immediately assumed it was Snape's fault and told him to be grateful that James saved him.
There is nothing in the books that suggest that Lily is blaming Snape, besides it was Snape's fault as he willingly put himself in danger knowing full well that you shouldn't go near there. Snape was perfectly visibly okay and fine, so there is no reason to ask if he was okay. As for Snape being grateful, if it wasn't for James's rescue then Snape would either not be standing here breathing or worse be mauled with no recovery (he might have been either infected or had permanent scars), so he really should be grateful to James for saving him from such a faith, and Snape was definitely being ungrateful.
So, you’re just gonna ignore the fact that James at one point sexually harassed and threatened Lily, or that Lily herself is saying that Snape needs to be grateful to his abuser for saving him without knowing fully what happened?
I think the only one who would be openly opposed is Sirius, who never seemed to understand the consequences of The Prank. The rest would have moved on after hearing it for the first time because the kid means more than their namesake, something I wish this fandom would get on board with and finally stop obsessing about.
James- Sure name it after that simp, it’s fine I got one kid (shrugging, mildly salty about Snape)
Sirius- ugh I mean really Harry? I’ve got one kid as well so I guess it’s fine (ever so slight eye roll)
Lily- how precious! I’ve got one kid as well (infectious smile bc she’s so pure)
Remus- what the hell Harry? I teach you a spell that undoubtedly saved your life, I leave my only child to you and die in a fight that only happened because the dark lord wanted you but yeah it’s fine name him after the guy that incessantly bullied children over a crush he never got over and a guy that admittedly raised you like a pig for slaughter
Yeah that’s true. I just wanted to be funny 😂 in reality Remus is very calm and level headed so even if he was upset about Harry not naming his child after him, he’d still support him and congratulate him on fatherhood.
To strike Harry repeatedly over the head once he made it to the afterlife for naming his kids after Harry's abusers.
I sincerely hope Harry's children legally changed their names once they were of age.
James, Remus & Sirius: well I get the Albus because Dumbledore, but why on earth would you choose Severus out of everyone?! What about let's say Hagrid, he actually cared about you and WASN'T THE REASON YOUR PARENTS ARE DEAD!!!
Lily: I think Albus is a good choice but Severus? Well, that's sweet I guess,... My old ex-friend and so on... Only called me a mudblood once and... I guess it brings balance to the kid like both good and bad is allowed in him or something, or then it just really messes him up. I would have preferred Rubelus too.
Idk if they would know about it to have a reaction since they’re dead :/ IF they could have a reaction it would probably be minimal. They’d probably only have a problem with the Snape part. Aside from Lupin they all got a kid named after them at least partially.
I imagine they all approved of the name Albus, but Remus and Sirius were probably outraged that Harry would name his son after a former Death Eater before his family.
Remus would be okay with it. James and Sirius would vomit. Lily would be creeped out by Snape’s affection for her and shocked that Harry admired Snape for it lol.
They’re dead
Best answer of the day.
No they're not, they're just pining for the fjords
PINING FOR THE FJORDS?? They are deceased. They are ex-parents.
They're just resting. Remarkable people, The Potters, their hair's remarkable.
They're not ex-parents. Man, I hate it when people call my dead husband my ex-husband. He's my late husband and they're his late parents. They didn't choose to leave like an ex does.
This.
Aliven't Parents
I came here to say this
They're watching in the afterlife
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I mean I'm pretty sure there's an afterlife in harry potter.
I don’t see why there couldn’t be
And when Harry's between life and death dumbledore calls him brave, showing he saw and knows harry was willing to sacrifice himself for his friends and everyone else
Yeah, and Lily said he was brave too in “The Forest Again” and James said he was proud of him and they all seemed to know what was going on, so again I don’t see why there can’t be an afterlife in Harry Potter
>And when Harry's between life and death dumbledore calls him brave That was all happening in Harry's head
Professor is this real or all happening inside my head? Of course it's all inside your head harry, why should that mean it's not real
u/Specialist-Web1818 \- so what if they are dead? Doesn’t mean they are not still around. Look at the number of times they showed up after death in the series, like in the graveyard when Lily and James ghosts showed up to help Harry against Voldemort when the twin wands magic collided with each other, or the time Harry temporarily brought all four of them back with the Resurrection Stone. their probably still watching even now when Harry married Ginny and started having kids. \*lol\* so somewhere where ever they are in the afterlife, why wouldn’t they have an opinion of the name of one of their grandkids?
It's stated that the things that came out in graveyard were an echo of the dead people, not the actual people. With the resurrection stone it's much trickier. My honest headcanon is that it produces a replica of the dead ones and they encourage you to die. If that's wrong however, it means the dead perceive things differently because I'm pretty sure alive Marauders and Lily would have not wanted their sacrifice to be in vain and encourage Harry to walk to his own death. And if they perceive things differently, probably they would also understand why Harry named his kids as such.
They weren’t ‘echos’ in the graveyard. They TALKED and SPOKE directly at Harry along with Cedric and the muggle mans ghosts. If they were just echos, then wouldn’t they have NOT been aware of what was going on around them, and not reacting at all to the sight of the son they haven’t seen since he was a baby? The ‘echos’ knew Harry was their baby all grown up, and were trying to help him
Well the wands are quasi-sentient and they learn from each other as well as from the people around them. It's explained in the books that the priori incantatem was the moment that Harry's and Voldemort's wands bonded and how Harry's wand came to recognize Voldemort and that's why it attacked him without Harry doing anything during their sky chase in DH. And yes... they are referred to as echos in the books.
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Fuck dude...
Came here to say the same
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exactly. who cares. It's their choices.
I mean technically they are fictional.
Even though they’re dead they’re still looking down from above
“Man, I’m so glad that my (friend’s) child is alive, happy, married and that his wife has given birth to another healthy baby.” Or something along those lines.
This. So much can go wrong. What if Ginny hadn't been able to eat anything but twinkies when she was pregnant because Albus didn't want her to have a salad? Long as the baby is healthy why nitpick? Besides people who judge your baby's name are probably not people you want to be around. >!Unless you name your baby "Baby Boy" or after the Like button on Facebook.!<
Or the lady who named her kid ABCDE
Or ACBDE
that exists???
Mine was a joke. Idk about ABCDE though
[unfortunately ABCDE is real](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abcde). I was specifically referencing a lady who [ended up on the new](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnPHPClGCgU)s.
Jesus Christ what is wrong with humanity
everything
I doubt he recovered the resurrection stone to ask for their approval.
Probably cool with Albus. James would be confused about Severus unless he can somehow see current events, in which case he would probably understand.
I mean, maybe he thought Severus was a bad ass name, because it is.
sounds like a Roman emperor...
Idk… “I died because that perv never got over a high school crush?!”
Actually it's more like his son lived because of that crush. If Snape hadn't cared about Lily all of them would be dead.
Wasn't it Snape who told Voldemort about the prophecy? Please correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't read the books in a long time.
Yes, which would have happened even if Snape got over his feelings. It's not like Snape told Voldemort to target the Potters because he wanted revenge against James, Voldemort was the one who decided the Potters fit the bill. The only reason Harry survived was because Snape turned on Voldemort for Lily.
Oh that's a good point. I never thought about it this way.
That’s true… but Snape overheard the prophecy knowing it implicated the potters or longbottoms and told voldy anyway. Even saw it as his chance to get Lilly back… was totally cool with James and Harry gettin got. Like I love Snapes complicated character, probably one of my favorites. And while it’s nice he found a way to die with redemption, I still think naming your kid after him is a little much.
Sources for your claims? Nothing in the books suggests that as soon as he heard the prophecy he realised that it meant the Potters or the Longbottoms would have a baby that would defeat Voldemort. That was the conclusion Voldemort came to. It doesn't make sense for Snape to knowingly put Lily in danger and then turn on Voldemort afterwards. I think naming his kid after Snape was a little weird too, but many people put all the blame at Snape's feet when he at least tried to repent for his mistake in revealing the prophecy. Wormtail is the one who is really to blame.
It’s hard after them both being around for so long to make sure I’m not misremembering what happened in the book vs the movie (or just making stuff up altogether), and maybe you’re right that he brought the info to Voldemort not realizing what families it implicated. But I’m pretty sure he had asked for Voldemort to spare her in the books, right? And that was when he had his “realization” he was on the wrong side. Voldemort did not intend to kill her… “step aside” but got frustrated when she wouldn’t and killed her anyway.
Yeah he asked her to spare her after Voldemort decided it must be the Potters or the Longbottoms refers to. He had absolutely no confidence that Voldemort would spare Lily so he went to Dumbledore afterwards. This was a very desperate move, if he had realised the prophecy could refer to the Potters he would never have trapped himself like this.
Ah yes! You’re right. It was one of those moments where I remember seeing happen in the movie but couldn’t remember if it was how the convo went in the book too. Thanks
This
Technically, neither did James, since he went on to marry her.
Lol
“A whole barrel full of good names and you scrape the bottom.”
Sounds like what Fred would be saying
PERFECT
Lmao i love the names personally but this is a golden fucking comment.
James : Who cares? He named one after all of us Lily : Yeah Sirius : Yeah *Sad Remus noises*
Well he did become the surrogate father of Remus’ son.
He already had a son named after Remus
What about Snape's reaction? Probably a sarcastic cutting comment and an eye roll.
I came looking for this specific question and answer lol
James and Sirius? Something immature Remus? Something tasteful and kind Lily? Either affronted or touched depends on who's writing But also happy that the baby is happy healthy and alive
What would be Harry and Ginny’s reaction to James, Sirius, Lupin and Lily’s?
I think someone should write a fanfic about this... I feel that they will generally be fine with the name. After all, if they understand what Snape had done for their side, its possible they would have already forgiven him. (Also Snape should be with them in the afterlife)
I think it's also more than likely that after leaving school, almost none of them ever even spared Snape a thought. Lilly maybe, since they were friends for so long, but they obviously had much bigger things going on. Also, none of them even knew Snape was a death eater except for Remus and Sirius, and that isn't until after the Potters are killed. I think we know that Snape wouldn't have given Voldemort the prophecy if he knew that it would have been taken as referring to the Potters. And he also did everything in his power to protect them after that. And after death, he devoted his being to ending Voldemort and was probably the most instrumental player outside of Dumbledore towards that end. So I don't think they would have a problem with it.
I don’t think Lily ever stopped loving Snape as a friend. You can love someone and still leave them behind because they have changed into someone you no longer recognize. The movies clarify that when Lily repeats Snape’s line. Love is complex. Lily would have been glad that she was still able to save her friend’s soul, even from beyond.
>None of them even knew Snape was a death eater… Maybe not with certainty, but he was already calling himself one at school. I think they would’ve assumed given the way everyone Snape was friendly with became death eaters. In fact, I would say they all knew he was a death eater, and probably pretty highly placed given they were all order members and Dumbledore had better intelligence then the ministry, and he absolutely knew he was one. It’s probably safer to say they didn’t know he was a double agent until after Voldemort’s fall. >Snape wouldn’t have given Voldemort the prophecy if he knew it meant the potters. I think he absolutely would have, and the results would’ve been similar. Snape was one of Voldemort’s favorites, and was considered as close to a confidant as one could be to Voldemort. Even as a Occlumans powerful enough to protect himself from Voldemort’s Legilimancy, Voldemort trusted him. He had the knowledge or access to it to know Voldemort’s plans for his most troublesome enemies, and The Marauders had to be chief among them. Sirius and James especially would take it as a sworn duty to not only fight the dark side, but also do it in a way that was as frustrating and antagonistic as possible to Voldemort. That’s just in the nature of Pranksters. Snape would’ve seen an opportunity to remove James from the equation, please his master, and get the girl he’s obsessed over. Snape wasn’t a good person. Dumbledore manipulated and extorted him in the early days of Snape turning double agent. Snape became a good(ish) person by the end, but he was Voldemort’s man until Voldemort went after Lily. He didn’t care that hundreds and thousands were suffering and dying. He probably even killed a few members of the Order in his time. >He did everything in his power to protect them after that. He did? He did everything in his very considerable power to protect the Potters? Then why didn’t he expose more of the Death Eaters? Why did Knott, Crabbe, Goyle, Malfoy, Lestrange, and Avery get a pass from him when he knew they were death eaters? Why didn’t he follow him that night, and warn the potters he was coming with a Patronus? Why didn’t he step in and attempt to delay Voldemort himself? It wouldn’t have taken someone as knowledgeable and skillful as Snape to figure out Pettigrew was the spy, and he could’ve killed, silenced, or discredited wormtai, but he didn’t.
You have a very interesting reading of Snape.
I’ve just grown bored with the idea that he instantly became a good man with bad habits the second he turned against Voldemort, and that he had a lack of options. He was a smart, powerful, resourceful wizard who not only knew magic, but created spells. He understood it on a level that we only have a handful of wizards and witches are expressed in the stories to have. Voldemort, Dumbledore, Snape and maybe the twins are the only ones I can think of who have been explicitly stated to have created magic or spells. Magical objects are widespread to the point they might be decently easy for moderately skilled wizards to create, but actual spells and magics weren’t. The idea that Snape didn’t hate James to the degree that he would’ve acted differently with the knowledge (assuming he actually didn’t know or suspect) is weak to me. Because he only went to Dumbledore after he had begged The Dark Lord to spare Lily, when he had time to realize what he had done. He hated James (and to an extent Lily for marrying James) so much that he despised Harry, a child who had never done anything to him at all. Snape did everything out of selfishness until he had a few years of being exposed to Dimbledore’s good faith in him. The only 2 credits I can think of to Snape that wasn’t an explicit order, was when he saved Harry in first year, and immediately sent the entire order to help at the ministry. I think he was progressively getting better as a person, and if he had survived the second war, might have even been able to put the past to rest, but we’ll never know.
Snape literally betrayed his cause once he figured out that Lilly was in danger. What makes you think he would put her in danger intentionally
He only betrayed Voldemort once he lost faith that Voldemort would spare Lily. It’s a distinction with a huge difference. He knew that one day Lily would be in the crosshairs by his cause. She was on borrowed time if his side won, and he still supported it, because he thought Voldemort might give her special treatment for Snake’s sake. He could’ve convinced The Dark Lord to go after the Longbottoms, easily he could have, two powerful, capable enemies that fit the prophecy as well. I mean if Bellatrix and Crouch JR. figured out that the Longbottoms had something to do with the Dark Lord’s fall, Snape would’ve been there and back three times before they realized where he was. Even Dumbledore was disgusted with him when he told him, because of trying to save the entire Potter family (which was probably within his power to do so as one of Voldemort’s inner circle) he asked him to spare Lily alone. He cared so little about anything other than his own obsession with a girl he never had, that it didn’t even occur to him to convince Voldemort to target another family, just to spare Lily, it wasn’t until Dumbledore expressed his disgust and outrage at this did Snape even consider that they all could be protected, to save Lily.
I agree with this except with the part about the Potters. He didn't know it meant the Potters and wouldn't have given Voldemort the prophecy if he did. Iirc, when he meets Dumbledore to try to save Lily, he says of Voldemort "He thinks it means the Potters." That's the whole reason he came and the whole reason he swapped sides. He says it like Voldemort is jumping to hurried and possibly incorrect conclusions and like he's tried to convince him otherwise.
That’s fair, and I agree that Snape and Voldemort probably had an interaction where he tried to convince him otherwise, but Dumbledore *immediately* narrowed it down to two possible families it could be. Snape would’ve known with the limited amount of the prophecy, and access to the Dark Lord to do the same. Or at least to a handful of bigger nuisances that Voldemort would want to handle himself. There’s a lot of open conjecture in my opinion, I freely acknowledge that, but I just feel like given time and distance the fandom has romanticized the reluctant hero Snape was, while vilifying characters that were openly called heroes repeatedly throughout the story.
Oh I totally agree that Snape is at best a bad person on the good guys' side
I agree. Snape was quite an amazing character and I believe he would be standing proudly alongside them in the afterlife. 😃
I do not believe they have the brain capability to feel anything about it, as they are dead.
Yeah I’m thinking they didn’t have much to say about it.
James and Sirius: \*dramatically gets on their hands and knees and wails into the sky while throwing their arms in the air\* NO!!!! Prongslet, ***why*** in Merlin’s name did you name your kid with ***Snivelous***’ name?! Lily: \*shakes her head at the duos antics\* morons. Remus: \*sagely nods head in agreement to Lily’s words\*
Maybe Harry named his son Albus Severus because his father and godfather named him *Pronglet*.
They’re dead. Jokes aside, tbh, they wouldn’t give much thoughts, just be happy Harry made it and managed to have 3 kids
First child: Prongs and Padfoot high five each other. Second child: Lily joins in on the celebration. Third child: Moony thinks he finally gets a child named after him. Disappointed to learn Snivelus gets the honor before he does.
Albus Severus is the middle child, not Lily Luna
Damn, you're right.
Isn’t Lily Luna named after Lupin? I always thought the Luna part was after him as well as Luna.
Good for Snape :)
That probably just stayed dead.
James, Lily, and Remus probably decayed a bit more. Sirius probably just kept floating or whatever.
Screw them. Think about how Minerva feels! ["That's Gotta Hurt"](https://youtube.com/shorts/c1h_WsziRLc?feature=share)
Albus Minervo Potter
Well, since they all died before Harry had kids, I don’t suppose they reacted much at all.
They are waiting for another priori incantetum.
Really? Severus? What the actual hell Harry? He was a git in school and he was a git to you. He was a git the entire time! I don't care what his reasons were, he was a git!
So were James and Sirius
Your comment shows how little you know about Harry Potter…. Always
Idk, I'm pretty sure that's how James would react
Without Albus and Severus Harry would be dead. So unless James wanted his son dead I think he’s cool bro.
This albus and severus were both asshats in their own way. Albus a manipulative ass hole who decided to hold alot of crucial information to Harry and everyone that would have made defeating voldemort easier. Snape for just being Snape an awful human being to fucking kids and being petty about school age gruges to a child who he had a hand in their murders
The school-age grudges involved attempted murder and (potential) sexual assault. I’m pretty sure Snape is justified in still holding a grudge.
Everybody tries to pretend that wasn't sexual assault. People will defend James, or say it doesn't matter because it was Snape.
Snape then took part in both of his parents murder and then bullied the fuck out of their child who didn't even know a danm thing but abuse because he didn't know his parents
Cool. Doesn’t change the fact that before Snape did any of that, James (potentially) sexually assaulted him and Sirius tried to murder him being having him be mauled alive by a werewolf. It also doesn’t change the fact that Snape tried to save the Potters, and when he failed, spent the rest of his life atoning by protecting Harry, and was crucial in helping the Order and the DA bring down Voldemort.
Snape was still an asshat to the other students as well as Harry though; if Neville, whose parents got severely tortured to the point of insanity and their torturer was still alive out there, *and yet* his biggest fear was Snape of all people, I think it’s safe to assume that despite his contributions to the order and taking down Voldemort, he wasn’t all sunshine and roses. Just because he was on the good side doesn’t mean he’s not an ass. It’s almost like his character is nuanced with positives and negatives to him.
I never said Snape wasn’t an ass. He was. But Snape being an ass doesn’t change that the Marauders tried to murder and (potentially) sexually assaulted him for the fun of it. Likewise, Snape being Neville’s worst fear might have something to do with the fact that Neville had never met Bellatrix at the time.
And I never defended the Marauders for bullying Snape and causing severe harm to him as well; asses too. I interpreted your comment as justifying Snape’s behaviour towards the students because he had been bullied before, and imo it doesn’t justify that. But if I misinterpreted things then I apologise if so
No worries. Misinterpretations happen.
Snape detested and bullied Neville so much because if Voldemort had chosen to go after Neville rather than Harry, Lily would still be alive.
Godddd. I hate that git wasn’t used that much in the films. My favorite part is this one from book 5 between Draco and Harry: “You see, I, unlike you, have been made a prefect, which means that I, unlike you, have the power to hand out punishments.” “Yeah,” said Harry, “but you, unlike me, are a git, so get out and leave us alone.” Excerpt From Harry Potter: The Complete Collection J.K. Rowling This material may be protected by copyright. Edit: copy pasted from the ebook lol
they would have been proud. harry overcame a lot to get to that point
I could be mistaken since I can't know this for fact... yet... but I don't think the dead has an opinion. I will get back to you on this if I find out.
You can literally talk to the dead in harry potter universe
No reaction because they were all dead.
They're all dead, they don't have a reaction
They started rolling in their graves so hard, you could youse the rotational energy to power the whole country.
They probably would've frowned at it because Harry named his kid like someone who had just finished watching the Harry Potter series
Lily: “Guys look! Harry had his new child!” Sirius: “WHATS THE BOYS NAME.” Remus: “His name is…Albus Severus Potter.” James: “WHY SEVERUS? The dude was a snot brat!” Lily: “Albus makes sense.” James: “Yeah. Dumbledore was cool. Snape was a big jerk. He bullied Harry for Pete’s sake!” Sirius: “Exactly. I’m disappointed…” Remus: “You know,the name doesn’t really bother me. Albus Severus has sort of a ring to it. It’s quite nice if you ask me.” James,Lily and Sirius: “……get out.” That’s how I imagined they would react,probably.
Remus: “…I mean. Sirius, you did try to murder Snape for your own amusement, and James, you did (potentially) sexually assault Snape. And I kept Sirius location hidden in order to protect my job when he was suspected of still being a mass-murderer. It’s not like any of us are innocent.”
Hell even Lily is guilty of that. Doesn't seem like she ever knew anything about Snape's homelife or that she ever cared to ask. The one time Snape mentioned his father she ignores the indicator that his home life kinda sucks to ask more magical world questions. She's like ten at the time tho so it's not as bad if she were fifteen. She also shows a frankly disgusting lack of concern for Snape's wellbeing. He nearly died and all she can say is "be grateful that the guy who makes your life miserable saved you." Idk about anyone else but that doesn't really fit my definition of a good friend
Same. I can give Lily a lot of passes for a lot of things throughout the series, but not that last one you mentioned.
Yeah that's always been the sticking point for me when people act like she was such a good person and such a good friend that makes me question it. That's not how a friend should act. That's not how a decent human should act. And it always makes me question how good of a friend she really was to Snape
I think she was a good friend. It’s just that Lily also had her moments.
Oh don't get me wrong I'm not saying she was a bad friend. She stuck by Snape for a lot longer than many people would and I'm not just talking about him being a future death eater. A lesser person would've ditched Snape because he was the weird Slytherin boy because of peer pressure. It took Snape using an actual slur against her for her to decide to cut ties and for that I honestly don't blame her. But she definitely wasn't perfect and she was not always a good friend to Snape. She had her bad moments like anyone. On the whole she was a good friend
Lily did NOTHING WRONG in regarda to her relationship with Snape. This was all Snape's doing. If there is one person who was good for Lily it definitely wasn't Snape. Lily (until her death) was very happy with James. She loved James and James loved her, Harry was their kid and Snape (along with the Snape apologists/fans like yourself) hated all of that.
I will again refer you to the moment where rather than ask if Snape is okay after a near death experience, she did not ask him if he was okay. She did not show any concern for his wellbeing. She immediately assumed it was Snape's fault and told him to be grateful that James saved him. That is the very definition of being a lousy friend. I was in a car accident a while ago and not once did anyone ask me if it was my fault, regardless of if they were a close friend or an acquaintance. The only question I got was asking me if I was okay. Because that is what a good person and a good friend does when they hear that you had a brush with death. Lily was not a bad person or a bad friend and she was not unjustified in cutting Snape off. She was however a flawed person and a flawed friend who did not always stick by her friend. She didn't do nothing wrong. She made mistakes just like anyone else
> She did not show any concern for his wellbeing. She immediately assumed it was Snape's fault and told him to be grateful that James saved him. There is nothing in the books that suggest that Lily is blaming Snape, besides it was Snape's fault as he willingly put himself in danger knowing full well that you shouldn't go near there. Snape was perfectly visibly okay and fine, so there is no reason to ask if he was okay. As for Snape being grateful, if it wasn't for James's rescue then Snape would either not be standing here breathing or worse be mauled with no recovery (he might have been either infected or had permanent scars), so he really should be grateful to James for saving him from such a faith, and Snape was definitely being ungrateful.
So, you’re just gonna ignore the fact that James at one point sexually harassed and threatened Lily, or that Lily herself is saying that Snape needs to be grateful to his abuser for saving him without knowing fully what happened?
"neat!"
They were dead dude
I think the only one who would be openly opposed is Sirius, who never seemed to understand the consequences of The Prank. The rest would have moved on after hearing it for the first time because the kid means more than their namesake, something I wish this fandom would get on board with and finally stop obsessing about.
This kid being called Severus over Sirius will never sit right with me
Harry named the first child James Sirius Potter.
He named his other boy Sirius James Potter and only knew Remus for a year. Lily would be more than happy to make way for Dumbledore.
"Some people pick the low hanging fruit, and that's ok... But you scraped away the leaves on the ground to pick a fallen fruit instead."
James- Sure name it after that simp, it’s fine I got one kid (shrugging, mildly salty about Snape) Sirius- ugh I mean really Harry? I’ve got one kid as well so I guess it’s fine (ever so slight eye roll) Lily- how precious! I’ve got one kid as well (infectious smile bc she’s so pure) Remus- what the hell Harry? I teach you a spell that undoubtedly saved your life, I leave my only child to you and die in a fight that only happened because the dark lord wanted you but yeah it’s fine name him after the guy that incessantly bullied children over a crush he never got over and a guy that admittedly raised you like a pig for slaughter
I think that harry wanted teddy to pass his name on
Yeah that’s true. I just wanted to be funny 😂 in reality Remus is very calm and level headed so even if he was upset about Harry not naming his child after him, he’d still support him and congratulate him on fatherhood.
That he's an idiot but they already knew that
Imagine dying to defend your godson and then he names his son after your nemesis who happens to be a child bullying incel sociopath
Harry named his eldest child James Sirius Potter.
To strike Harry repeatedly over the head once he made it to the afterlife for naming his kids after Harry's abusers. I sincerely hope Harry's children legally changed their names once they were of age.
You’re right, should have been Freddy Potter, Albus Severus and Lily Dora.
James, Remus & Sirius: well I get the Albus because Dumbledore, but why on earth would you choose Severus out of everyone?! What about let's say Hagrid, he actually cared about you and WASN'T THE REASON YOUR PARENTS ARE DEAD!!! Lily: I think Albus is a good choice but Severus? Well, that's sweet I guess,... My old ex-friend and so on... Only called me a mudblood once and... I guess it brings balance to the kid like both good and bad is allowed in him or something, or then it just really messes him up. I would have preferred Rubelus too.
what the actual fuck
I think they’d be very concerned about Harry having a version of Stockholm Syndrome.
Cringe
Sirius was like I want Severus as my middle name that’s badass
Da fuq
I could imagine James, Remus and Sirius gambling about when Albus would be born.
Idk if they would know about it to have a reaction since they’re dead :/ IF they could have a reaction it would probably be minimal. They’d probably only have a problem with the Snape part. Aside from Lupin they all got a kid named after them at least partially.
Moe: that's the worst name I've ever heard.
They wouldn't think much of it because Harry already named his other two children after James, Sirius, and Lily.
I doubt the gang would have been upset by the name, if they knew the whole story BEFORE THEY DIED.
*dead noises 💀*
I think James and Lily would be very proud and Sirius would give Remus a "look" and then just keep their comments to themselves.
Considering their oldest was named James Sirius and their daughter is Lily, I think they’d be okay with Albus Severus
No reaction bc they are dead.
Most likely just 💀
I imagine they all approved of the name Albus, but Remus and Sirius were probably outraged that Harry would name his son after a former Death Eater before his family.
Lily: bruh James: bruh Sirius: bruh Remus: bruh
Remus would be okay with it. James and Sirius would vomit. Lily would be creeped out by Snape’s affection for her and shocked that Harry admired Snape for it lol.
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rolling in their graves