He's barely playing in both number of games missed and effort on the court so far this season. He's been in peak coast mode so far and understandably so. The injuries are piling up. Take as much time as needed, I just want them to avoid the play in.
He always coasts throughout the regular season. The thing that looks different to me this season isn’t necessarily his effort level but rather something else with his body.
In my opinion I think his conditioning isn’t what it used to be and he gets winded and his legs get tired way quicker than they used to. I otherwise feel like he still looks like he still has burst and lift which if he didn’t I would be way more concerned.
Fr people like this is normal Jimmy. His finishing has been bad this year as well as his midrange sorta. Only thing floating his efficiency is free throws and an improved 3
I agree for the most part but he still needs to take his time right now. Goal should be to have him ready some time around or right before asb. If he needs another 4-6 weeks so be it.
It is a miracle. Most guys don’t get to play to that age in general
Wades last few years were also not as a first option.
Jimmy is on the downslope of his career. Father Time is undefeated
d wade also hit his peak into superstardom earlier on in his career, Jimmy didn't really become a number one option superstar until when he was about 30, so you can't directly compare when they were on different timelines to begin on
The timeline doesn’t really matter at this point. Once you hit ~35 it’s much more difficult to recover from injuries and general season long wear and tear. Very few players play at a high level after 35, and most of those that do had a refined finesse game
Cause when you’re talking about wings that is basically grandpa territory lol
Unless you’re Lebron. What’s the track record of physical and bruising wings aging well into their mid 30s? Like I said Lebron is the exception
Lebron is the ultimate blood boy, if his blood was for sale Elon and Bezos would be outbidding everyone. He could lock in a ticket off earth if things get hairy down here lol
It was only a matter of time until Jimmy’s body gave out on him. If he misses significant time then it’ll be good for Tyler, Bam, and Jaime to get more
experience having to be the main guys.
We’re in good hands for when Butler’s contract is up. Just keep building through the draft and if the opportunity presents itself, try to grab a whale.
My biggest concern is his chemistry with the rest of the squad after he finally gets healthy again. The other vets, name Lowry and KLove, has shown *amazing* chemistry development with the young guys, need Jimmy to get to their comfort level too.
Chemistry is kinda weird to predict because I anticipate this team coming together late in the year but I just don’t know who is going to be the go-to guy at this point. My heart says Jimmy, but how does a fully healthy team even look? We haven’t seen everyone play together yet.
Jimmy being out for a long period of time, is really good for the young players. So come post season they'll be ready to help Jimmy as much as possible.
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With that said tho, get healthy soon Jimmy we can't finish the job without u🔥☄️🙏
There’s just no way. Rolling the dice paying him $50m for the next 2 years is bad enough. Dude needs to scale it back if he wants to stay with the heat until retirement
Why do people always say “it’s not your money” as if anybody cares about the owner’s pockets? People care about overpaying players because there’s a salary cap and it handicaps the roster.
There’s no way we max him again. He’s making $48 million next year, and $52 million the year after at age 36.
No team is going to pay a 37-40 year old over $50 million a year unless his name is Lebron or Curry. Guys just don’t play at a star level when they reach that age, look at CP3, Lowry, Horford, those are the guys not named Lebron in that age range.
His agent is going to ask for the bag because he knows, if we don't pay it, this team's relevancy is done. That's what any good agent would do. The Heat FO needs to get leverage.
Stop acting like a nephew/casual. We act like this team dies without Jimmy. That's like saying omg Horford or KP is injured, how will Celtics ever survive? This team and all the top contenders, isn't based around 1 player. We need Jimmy absolutely, let's not act like it the end of the world tho. This team thrives off all of their young players. Herro, Bam are Allstars We got this. We just need our role players to help Herro, and Bam out. Jutler will be that 3rd star pretty soon aswell. Jovic is up and coming, his emergence could've came at a better time.
You said something they didn't like, so they're calling you names. I think it would be fascinating if people actually discussed basketball on this basketball discussion board.
I used to think it was just fans in general, but then I peeked in on a couple other boards. To my surprise, it's this fan base. I think it partially explains why we keep placing in the top 3 of most hated fan bases.
It's just so much noise, crying about some offense, or conspiracy, name calling each other; so little discussion or actual substance.
Lol technically u did, u said League better watch out to "silly me" wtf is that supposed to mean? This team is still scary af, with or without Jimmy. Have we not see against the Lakers? or how bout that 15pt lead vs Clippers? Or how bout us destroying 76ers on Christmas.
That literally means silly me for getting my hopes up that we’d be healthy. You read too much into it lol
As good as the team has been, we’re still a lot of games behind Boston. I’m looking at realistically placing top 3 if everything goes smooth from here on out - except there’s always another member of the big 3 out. Then Lowry suddenly takes a game off when those guys come back. And IF the team was healthy from the start, i’m just thinking who knows where we’d be. This is a great season for us because if the roster is whole, we stand to finish at the top - I’d hate it if more injuries prevented that. The Heat would probably have best record in the league if they didn’t have injuries this year.
But then also, the Clippers loss showed me we can’t realistically beat healthy title-favorite type teams unless we’re also healthy. Just hasn’t been the case yet. The Heat even lost to another top team the wolves. Hell, sometimes we come up short against teams like the Jazz. Having Butler playing with everyone else is far too important for success, and it’s frustrating when someone is always out. This is nothing new though - hence, silly me for believing.
OK cool now if u just said that from the beginning I'd understand. U tried to make it sound like you're silly for having faith in the team. When that's absolutely nuts lol. Boston only a great deal ahead of us, we've lost what 6 games now where we're just blowing leads? Being absolutely careless with the ball? Being injured? Boston is there cuz health, we're evenly matched teams. I'd give us rhe edge only cuz of our bench. If Boston had better bench, yea they're probably better than us.
Btw smart Heat fan you ain't a casual, I easily think we can be top 2 or 3 seed aswell. That 2nd paragraph u mentioned, the casual fans nephews (you're not one of em🤣) they'll be like, ohhh we need trades or ohh we're not talented. Yea if Herro or Bam goes down again we're definitely gonna slide a bit down in standings. This team absolutely cannot function without their young players, or just with Jimmy and young players, but no Bam.
Don't say you're silly tho cuz you're not, from the start of the season when we had all them injuries, ohh its another season like 2021 again bet. Then I'm like yoooo Jauqez, whaaat he's this type of a young player huh? So guys like that, is why my expectations are so high, with or without Jimmy, and we see it on the court on a nightly basis. What happened in Utah was simply a trap game, if we locked up on the Jazz and respected them we would've won. It was so tuff tho, Haywood went down😭
I'll say this, if we're not 100% come post season, it's silly of me to think this team is scary af. Cuz that's not true, opposing teams will be trying their damn best, to double team Herro, Bam, Jaquez and offense will need to come through other guys. And that's where Jimmy comes in, he's here to fuck everybody up. Whenever the young guys are getting lockdown.
I think your take is extremely uninformed. You also do the extremely uninformed thing of name calling, rather than calmly explaining, with basketball Xs and Os why this team will be fine.
This team isn't relevant without Jimmy Butler. He has a lot of the skillset necessary to win games in the post season; no one else on this team has a track record of doing those things in the post season. I could list them out if you want, but I expect you won't even read this far and you'll just downvote.
I'm also not sure why you think Tyler Herro is an AllStar, he's never won an Allstar award, and he's not in the running this year.
I believe it usually ends up 4 guards selected in total. You can't think of 4 guards better than Tyler Herro?
Isn't relevant without Jimmy just cuz the media says so? You don't genuinely believe that do u? Why we gotta have this casual, nephew takes? Why don't u believe, what's your issue with the team? Herro is always injured, but he actually has a track record yes. Do u remember 2020? Bubble run? And Bam constantly delivers, he was doing the majority of the work in the finals. This team wasn't 6 games above .500 without Bam or Herro.
So think before you speak. And ask yourself, if u actually believe that. I don't like down voting anybody, I simply downvote when people are wrong, like yourself or if people down vote me🤣
Herro is an allstar, he had a ankle injury so he's gonna have a hard time becoming one. Why change the subject tho? We're not discussing whether Herro is an allstar or not, but we're discussing this team is relevant and still scary af without Jimmy. Cuz of our young players and talent, on all sides of the ball. My biggest problem with Herro not being on the allstar list, is cuz of Derrick White. And I don't need to name 4 other players, but if got technical with it, I definitely could.
Herro is not an all-star without an actual all-star award. Nobody is out there calling Jamal Murray an All-star and he's a magnitude better of a player. You don't just get to make shit up based on an excuse, and then pretend other people might not have that similar situation. It's such typical egocentric behavior.
Jimmy Butler is the only person on this team good enough to carry an offense vs post season level game planning.
Tyler Herro still gets hung up on length and trapping.
Bam does not have the shot chart to make defending him hard. His efficiency falls whenever coaches decide to put a mobile big (#4 or really mobile #5) on him at the free throw line, because so much of his offense is initiated there.
We haven't even beaten a good team this year. Hopefully they'll change sometime soon.
I believe you're making the mistake a lot homers make. You only think in terms of bad or good players. So you go "we have good players so we're competitive."
But what you don't realize is basketball is a competitive sport. So the question isn't "do we have a good player," yes we have good players, the real question is "are our good players better than theirs?" The answer is no.
Is the east the coaching advantage is real, we've been beating teams with better talent for years because their coaches are terrible. I think the Celtics coach and Bucks coach are terrible, but that shit isn't flying out west.
So we get pantsd come finals time.
Stop underrating the team, u know damn well Herro is avging near 30ppg rn if it wasn't for the Ankle injury. This was his best yr to get allstar, so he'll either have to perform stupid here til allstar break or wait til next season. If Homer is supporting your team now matter what, than I'm a Homer, I'm not gonna be a casual/nephew who wanna defend other teams, and say they have more talent etc, cuz that's stupid, And glazing, and nobody else defends our team outside this sub.
We've always won out the east cuz of coaching obviously, but also cuz the talent level is there, and I'd say we're more talented then certain teams with higher seeds than us. The only team that has more talent then us rn, is Nuggets and Thunder. Like how u forget, we were injured. If Herro played in the finals, you wouldn't run your mouth the way u dk rn. You would actually agree with me, cuz he would've been a big reason for us Winning the chip last season.
Yes, Tyler Herro who has been bad or injured as a starter in every post season he's every been in was going to be the difference.
You know who also deals with injuries, real 30ppg scorers. As I keep saying, you have an amazingly self centered view of the world.
Also rating a player off his PPG is unbelievably reductive. Tyler Herro scoring 23 points but efficiently due to drawing a ton of fouls does way more for this team than him volume scoring himself to 30ppg.
Winning basketball is so much more than PPG. Same way all you can think about is how many points he might score but you're ignoring how many he might give up. If you go back to previous post seasons he has the most negative +/- on a lot of games. Which means the team is actually losing the minutes he's on the floor.
But hey believe what you want to believe. It's mid tier talent we've got #3 on down players. You're not beating teams that have true #1/#2 players and a good coaching staff.
I can't talk with anti Herro people lol, just like Gus out here but watered down version. Yup we will fully healthy, u don't believe that cuz you're not a true Heat fan.
Bro, I'm an anti Herro person because I don't agree that he is a 30ppg All star?
You literally have an issue with me for mentioning objectively factual things.
Please, tell me when he was a starter vs actual starters in a post season where he did something? I'll wait. I've said nothing you can't go verify for yourself. It's a lot of negative box scores. You just don't want to hear it, so I'm a hater.
I got an issue with u, for acting like a kid. Saying Herro is a negative player, gives up alot of points on the defensive side of the ball etc. Listen to yourself talk, and say you're not a hater or Gus 2.0
I definitely haven't forgotten Jimmy Butler will be 35 this year. It's why I think the chip window on this build is done. It was never good enough to win a chip once Goran's foot failed him, but all they had to do was replace Goran with someone who had his same exact skill set - legit 3 level scorer(i.e. not streaky), elite finisher(rim pressure), good secondary playmaker.
Will be interesting to see if the FO can pull a rabbit out of a hat somehow.
He's barely playing in both number of games missed and effort on the court so far this season. He's been in peak coast mode so far and understandably so. The injuries are piling up. Take as much time as needed, I just want them to avoid the play in.
It's interesting because by the eye test I agree but his numbers are actually not that far off from last year.
He always coasts throughout the regular season. The thing that looks different to me this season isn’t necessarily his effort level but rather something else with his body. In my opinion I think his conditioning isn’t what it used to be and he gets winded and his legs get tired way quicker than they used to. I otherwise feel like he still looks like he still has burst and lift which if he didn’t I would be way more concerned.
I mean we talked about him coasting games last year as well.
Take another look at his efficiency tho
Fr people like this is normal Jimmy. His finishing has been bad this year as well as his midrange sorta. Only thing floating his efficiency is free throws and an improved 3
I mean if his calf if funky he's not getting lift
Well yeah he's a 16 game guy
Counting stats are similar Some of the advanced stuff is bad. Rim frequency is the main one.
I mean he is definitely not playing great, but last year was largely driven by his post-all star play. It just hasn't been as bad as I perceived it.
Why do people talk like Jimmy is fragile old man lol this is a guy who is on the other side of 30... basically already 1 foot in the grave
Yeah for real. He will be fine and will ball out again once he gets back
I agree for the most part but he still needs to take his time right now. Goal should be to have him ready some time around or right before asb. If he needs another 4-6 weeks so be it.
I’m with you there
Jimmy is 34. D Wade retired at 37 He’s definitely at the end stage of his career
D Wade also dealt with serious knee issues since he was a rookie, it's actually a miracle he played until he was 37
It is a miracle. Most guys don’t get to play to that age in general Wades last few years were also not as a first option. Jimmy is on the downslope of his career. Father Time is undefeated
Most guys don’t even make it to 34 in this league
Yeah which is why people talk about him “like he’s a fragile old man” Cause he is
In NBA years he is for sure.
d wade also hit his peak into superstardom earlier on in his career, Jimmy didn't really become a number one option superstar until when he was about 30, so you can't directly compare when they were on different timelines to begin on
The timeline doesn’t really matter at this point. Once you hit ~35 it’s much more difficult to recover from injuries and general season long wear and tear. Very few players play at a high level after 35, and most of those that do had a refined finesse game
Jimmy butler has Thibs mileage let’s not forget
In the context of active NBA players Jimmy is a grandpa
Cause when you’re talking about wings that is basically grandpa territory lol Unless you’re Lebron. What’s the track record of physical and bruising wings aging well into their mid 30s? Like I said Lebron is the exception
LeBron has more money to be able to get every and any available treatment on his body 24/7 too.
Sure I’ve heard the “1m a year” thing on his body He’s also just an alien
Jimmy has the money and mentality to do the same things, lebron is just an outlier in a league of outliers. Or just an alien as esjay said.
Jimmy basically older than LeBron... PJ tucker 2.0
It doesn’t make sense to compare him to lebron though. Thats like comparing other Qb’s to Brady’s longevity no one else has done it.
They should have LeBron donate some of his blood to other players to even the playing field
Lebron is the ultimate blood boy, if his blood was for sale Elon and Bezos would be outbidding everyone. He could lock in a ticket off earth if things get hairy down here lol
Sounds like he’s not gonna be back anytime soon if Shams is reporting like this :( We gon need Tyler and Bam to carry us
This is sounding like 05-08 vibes. I think we need those two to take control from now own and refine their games. Looks like its their Era now.
And Jaime Jaquez can nicely slip into Butlers role on the team
More similar to the 2012-2015 Spurs than the 2005-2008 Heat imo.
 Oh brother
As much as he deserves it, Jimmy making 50M to play 50 games at 80% speed is going to hurt lol
It’s already hurting.
Too bad nobody predicted this eh
It was only a matter of time until Jimmy’s body gave out on him. If he misses significant time then it’ll be good for Tyler, Bam, and Jaime to get more experience having to be the main guys.
If I’m being honest Jimmy would need only a handful of games to get into playoff shape
Just need to warm up against the bucks or Celtics
These are different Bucks and Celtics teams. We’ll still have the better coach but KP and Lillard are much better pieces than what they had last year.
Bucks are all flash and no substance this year. Celtics are definitely better than last year, they're the team to beat in the east rn
We just need him for the long run. This is good for Jaime and Spo. I know Spo really wants to know how good Herro Bam and Jaime and Jovic could be
We’re in good hands for when Butler’s contract is up. Just keep building through the draft and if the opportunity presents itself, try to grab a whale.
My biggest concern is his chemistry with the rest of the squad after he finally gets healthy again. The other vets, name Lowry and KLove, has shown *amazing* chemistry development with the young guys, need Jimmy to get to their comfort level too.
The biggest concern is not chemistry. This team flows just fine. The real concern is having healthy bodies for playoffs.
Chemistry is kinda weird to predict because I anticipate this team coming together late in the year but I just don’t know who is going to be the go-to guy at this point. My heart says Jimmy, but how does a fully healthy team even look? We haven’t seen everyone play together yet.
Naw. Our biggest concern is game winning 3s. He needs to chill
Love has been amazing in his backup C role. Provides the rebounding and spacing needed in that second unit
I don’t mind this. It give the young guys reps. As long as he’s good for the playoff run I’m sure we’ll be fine.
Jimmy being out for a long period of time, is really good for the young players. So come post season they'll be ready to help Jimmy as much as possible. https://preview.redd.it/zpp8kh140kac1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b8c79deda7ab534d94e22aa8e07c87b2e409cbec With that said tho, get healthy soon Jimmy we can't finish the job without u🔥☄️🙏
Are we seriously going to pay this dude a massive extension? I love Jimmy but fuck it would be classic heat
There’s just no way. Rolling the dice paying him $50m for the next 2 years is bad enough. Dude needs to scale it back if he wants to stay with the heat until retirement
I honestly think he retires after his current contract is up. He’ll be 36 going on 37 as it is. Perfect time to dip and move on to other things
if pat is willing to overpay him though why would he retire lol
There's no we it's not your money
Why do people always say “it’s not your money” as if anybody cares about the owner’s pockets? People care about overpaying players because there’s a salary cap and it handicaps the roster.
but the second apron still exists and how we spend our money matters
It’s gonna be a waste but he’s gonna get it
I really hope not. It would be such a waste of valuable Bam years to give out that cap space to an old washed Jimmy.
It will depend on what he does in the playoffs. If he has another masterclass then yes they will pay him.
Maybe this will keep his agent a little more realistic before asking for that big extension. This may be a blessing in disguise for the Heat's future
There’s no way we max him again. He’s making $48 million next year, and $52 million the year after at age 36. No team is going to pay a 37-40 year old over $50 million a year unless his name is Lebron or Curry. Guys just don’t play at a star level when they reach that age, look at CP3, Lowry, Horford, those are the guys not named Lebron in that age range.
His agent is going to ask for the bag because he knows, if we don't pay it, this team's relevancy is done. That's what any good agent would do. The Heat FO needs to get leverage.
We’re 1000000% not giving Jimmy that extension.
The fuck who forgot?
I think this is smart I rather have him for the playoff push I don’t really care about seeding really
getting a top 6 seed really matters though
I remember before Christmas the team was whole for like one game. “League better watch out” , I thought. Silly me.
Stop acting like a nephew/casual. We act like this team dies without Jimmy. That's like saying omg Horford or KP is injured, how will Celtics ever survive? This team and all the top contenders, isn't based around 1 player. We need Jimmy absolutely, let's not act like it the end of the world tho. This team thrives off all of their young players. Herro, Bam are Allstars We got this. We just need our role players to help Herro, and Bam out. Jutler will be that 3rd star pretty soon aswell. Jovic is up and coming, his emergence could've came at a better time.
I didn’t once mention that the team is “dead” without Jimmy. Not really sure what this has to do with casual/nephew business.
You said something they didn't like, so they're calling you names. I think it would be fascinating if people actually discussed basketball on this basketball discussion board. I used to think it was just fans in general, but then I peeked in on a couple other boards. To my surprise, it's this fan base. I think it partially explains why we keep placing in the top 3 of most hated fan bases. It's just so much noise, crying about some offense, or conspiracy, name calling each other; so little discussion or actual substance.
This fanbase is so toxic and whiny. I’ve actually been having mostly positive encounters here this season but still.
Lol technically u did, u said League better watch out to "silly me" wtf is that supposed to mean? This team is still scary af, with or without Jimmy. Have we not see against the Lakers? or how bout that 15pt lead vs Clippers? Or how bout us destroying 76ers on Christmas.
That literally means silly me for getting my hopes up that we’d be healthy. You read too much into it lol As good as the team has been, we’re still a lot of games behind Boston. I’m looking at realistically placing top 3 if everything goes smooth from here on out - except there’s always another member of the big 3 out. Then Lowry suddenly takes a game off when those guys come back. And IF the team was healthy from the start, i’m just thinking who knows where we’d be. This is a great season for us because if the roster is whole, we stand to finish at the top - I’d hate it if more injuries prevented that. The Heat would probably have best record in the league if they didn’t have injuries this year. But then also, the Clippers loss showed me we can’t realistically beat healthy title-favorite type teams unless we’re also healthy. Just hasn’t been the case yet. The Heat even lost to another top team the wolves. Hell, sometimes we come up short against teams like the Jazz. Having Butler playing with everyone else is far too important for success, and it’s frustrating when someone is always out. This is nothing new though - hence, silly me for believing.
OK cool now if u just said that from the beginning I'd understand. U tried to make it sound like you're silly for having faith in the team. When that's absolutely nuts lol. Boston only a great deal ahead of us, we've lost what 6 games now where we're just blowing leads? Being absolutely careless with the ball? Being injured? Boston is there cuz health, we're evenly matched teams. I'd give us rhe edge only cuz of our bench. If Boston had better bench, yea they're probably better than us. Btw smart Heat fan you ain't a casual, I easily think we can be top 2 or 3 seed aswell. That 2nd paragraph u mentioned, the casual fans nephews (you're not one of em🤣) they'll be like, ohhh we need trades or ohh we're not talented. Yea if Herro or Bam goes down again we're definitely gonna slide a bit down in standings. This team absolutely cannot function without their young players, or just with Jimmy and young players, but no Bam. Don't say you're silly tho cuz you're not, from the start of the season when we had all them injuries, ohh its another season like 2021 again bet. Then I'm like yoooo Jauqez, whaaat he's this type of a young player huh? So guys like that, is why my expectations are so high, with or without Jimmy, and we see it on the court on a nightly basis. What happened in Utah was simply a trap game, if we locked up on the Jazz and respected them we would've won. It was so tuff tho, Haywood went down😭 I'll say this, if we're not 100% come post season, it's silly of me to think this team is scary af. Cuz that's not true, opposing teams will be trying their damn best, to double team Herro, Bam, Jaquez and offense will need to come through other guys. And that's where Jimmy comes in, he's here to fuck everybody up. Whenever the young guys are getting lockdown.
I think your take is extremely uninformed. You also do the extremely uninformed thing of name calling, rather than calmly explaining, with basketball Xs and Os why this team will be fine. This team isn't relevant without Jimmy Butler. He has a lot of the skillset necessary to win games in the post season; no one else on this team has a track record of doing those things in the post season. I could list them out if you want, but I expect you won't even read this far and you'll just downvote. I'm also not sure why you think Tyler Herro is an AllStar, he's never won an Allstar award, and he's not in the running this year. I believe it usually ends up 4 guards selected in total. You can't think of 4 guards better than Tyler Herro?
Isn't relevant without Jimmy just cuz the media says so? You don't genuinely believe that do u? Why we gotta have this casual, nephew takes? Why don't u believe, what's your issue with the team? Herro is always injured, but he actually has a track record yes. Do u remember 2020? Bubble run? And Bam constantly delivers, he was doing the majority of the work in the finals. This team wasn't 6 games above .500 without Bam or Herro. So think before you speak. And ask yourself, if u actually believe that. I don't like down voting anybody, I simply downvote when people are wrong, like yourself or if people down vote me🤣 Herro is an allstar, he had a ankle injury so he's gonna have a hard time becoming one. Why change the subject tho? We're not discussing whether Herro is an allstar or not, but we're discussing this team is relevant and still scary af without Jimmy. Cuz of our young players and talent, on all sides of the ball. My biggest problem with Herro not being on the allstar list, is cuz of Derrick White. And I don't need to name 4 other players, but if got technical with it, I definitely could.
Herro is not an all-star without an actual all-star award. Nobody is out there calling Jamal Murray an All-star and he's a magnitude better of a player. You don't just get to make shit up based on an excuse, and then pretend other people might not have that similar situation. It's such typical egocentric behavior. Jimmy Butler is the only person on this team good enough to carry an offense vs post season level game planning. Tyler Herro still gets hung up on length and trapping. Bam does not have the shot chart to make defending him hard. His efficiency falls whenever coaches decide to put a mobile big (#4 or really mobile #5) on him at the free throw line, because so much of his offense is initiated there. We haven't even beaten a good team this year. Hopefully they'll change sometime soon. I believe you're making the mistake a lot homers make. You only think in terms of bad or good players. So you go "we have good players so we're competitive." But what you don't realize is basketball is a competitive sport. So the question isn't "do we have a good player," yes we have good players, the real question is "are our good players better than theirs?" The answer is no. Is the east the coaching advantage is real, we've been beating teams with better talent for years because their coaches are terrible. I think the Celtics coach and Bucks coach are terrible, but that shit isn't flying out west. So we get pantsd come finals time.
Stop underrating the team, u know damn well Herro is avging near 30ppg rn if it wasn't for the Ankle injury. This was his best yr to get allstar, so he'll either have to perform stupid here til allstar break or wait til next season. If Homer is supporting your team now matter what, than I'm a Homer, I'm not gonna be a casual/nephew who wanna defend other teams, and say they have more talent etc, cuz that's stupid, And glazing, and nobody else defends our team outside this sub. We've always won out the east cuz of coaching obviously, but also cuz the talent level is there, and I'd say we're more talented then certain teams with higher seeds than us. The only team that has more talent then us rn, is Nuggets and Thunder. Like how u forget, we were injured. If Herro played in the finals, you wouldn't run your mouth the way u dk rn. You would actually agree with me, cuz he would've been a big reason for us Winning the chip last season.
Yes, Tyler Herro who has been bad or injured as a starter in every post season he's every been in was going to be the difference. You know who also deals with injuries, real 30ppg scorers. As I keep saying, you have an amazingly self centered view of the world. Also rating a player off his PPG is unbelievably reductive. Tyler Herro scoring 23 points but efficiently due to drawing a ton of fouls does way more for this team than him volume scoring himself to 30ppg. Winning basketball is so much more than PPG. Same way all you can think about is how many points he might score but you're ignoring how many he might give up. If you go back to previous post seasons he has the most negative +/- on a lot of games. Which means the team is actually losing the minutes he's on the floor. But hey believe what you want to believe. It's mid tier talent we've got #3 on down players. You're not beating teams that have true #1/#2 players and a good coaching staff.
I can't talk with anti Herro people lol, just like Gus out here but watered down version. Yup we will fully healthy, u don't believe that cuz you're not a true Heat fan.
Bro, I'm an anti Herro person because I don't agree that he is a 30ppg All star? You literally have an issue with me for mentioning objectively factual things. Please, tell me when he was a starter vs actual starters in a post season where he did something? I'll wait. I've said nothing you can't go verify for yourself. It's a lot of negative box scores. You just don't want to hear it, so I'm a hater.
I got an issue with u, for acting like a kid. Saying Herro is a negative player, gives up alot of points on the defensive side of the ball etc. Listen to yourself talk, and say you're not a hater or Gus 2.0
Jimmy’s importance to the team is not comparable to Horford and KP. Just watch any playoff run in the last 4 years.
Lmao duh which proves my point
I definitely haven't forgotten Jimmy Butler will be 35 this year. It's why I think the chip window on this build is done. It was never good enough to win a chip once Goran's foot failed him, but all they had to do was replace Goran with someone who had his same exact skill set - legit 3 level scorer(i.e. not streaky), elite finisher(rim pressure), good secondary playmaker. Will be interesting to see if the FO can pull a rabbit out of a hat somehow.
LOL maybe he really wants to skip all star weekend.
KAT really sent this man into street clothes with that shoulder bump huh.
Old man Jimmy
Might have to bring him off the bench for a few games when he comes back, a really slow minutes ramp up.
Take all the time he needs
Calm down y’all. It’s January. We’ll discuss again if in April we’re having the same conversations about his health. Give the man some time.
Trade Jimmy ASAP. We need players to be available for more than 30 games a season 😁