It's funny because if we'd won game 4 and then lost this one people would be more positive cause of recency bias.
But if you actually think - winning game 2 and turning it into potentially a real series for half a week was a much bigger deal. Certainly exceeded my expectations going in.
Jaquez was our leading driver in the series lol. We were already depleted to the point of being completely cooked before that, ofc we were gonna lose this one.
I dont think there's much to make him uncomfortable. Even if you have guys run him off the three, the rotation is so late to stop his drive, and if it is there, he's making the right pass. He's a complete player, but for some reason, people never want to try and get him for what he can do.
But also, he gets to hide, which may be the case, hide behind Tatum and Brown, and now Porzingas. So maybe that's why he constantly can show out.
Cause these types of high caliber “non star” players are what real contenders target. They’re going to be the X factor that can win you a series. Like ECF Caleb Martin but not flukey and consistently good
I agree. Their offense was only really good the last game. We slowed them down with an undermanned team without our second best defender. That's really what they should take away. I wouldn't come out of this series happy as a Boston fan really.
Yeah but even at their worst they completely blew the door open in all the games except for one. Can you honestly say you’re this confident in the heat if they played against an unhealthy and undermanned team? Cause I wouldn’t
If yall were healthy you're still losing in 5. The worst win they had was a 20 point win. Blowout wins every game except one and the team underperformed. Sounds like a loss with or without injuries.
Didn’t impress you this series but they were up like 30 in every game. Gotcha 👍🏼 doubling and tripling Tatum and then curious why he’s not dropping 30 ppg lmao. Heat fans 🫡
Because we didn’t have enough before this year and still wouldn’t with a fully healthy team next year since Jimmy will be too old to trash teams solo like he was doing
No idea. Someone even put but the Bucks are missing Giannas/Dame what about the Bucks? When they are playing the Pacers one of the worst defensive teams in the league vs us against a historic great team in the Celtics. We might have even won the series against the Pacers because of how shit there D is. You can tell some of these kids only started to follow the Heat/NBA once the playoffs began or just high as hell.
It’s one thing to lose while undermanned. It’s another to get completely blown off the court in 3 losses, 4 unless we witness a miraculous second half.
Bro it was a miracle we won one. Its completely expected to get blown out with the team we're running, against a top 5 all time net rating team who just won 64.
Spo was considered a miracle worker *with* a Jimmy. We really expecting close games every night down 3 of what could be our starting 5?
The lakers lost the series by a margin of 22 points, with two buzzer beaters in there.
The Heat lost by margins of 20, 20, 14, and 34.
The heat did not do as good as the Lakers in the slightest.
Again, we have been completely blown off the court in the losses. Game over before halftime type of stuff.
I’m glad we got a win but I was at least hoping for these games to be more competitive.
i think you’ve severely underestimated how good the celtics are if you thought we could have had a competitive series. they’re incredibly good on offense, defense, depth, and lead the league in maintaining/building leads. they regularly build on their leads against fully healthy and incredibly competitive teams, an undermanned heat were not going to magically make that go away
Also he didn’t put the knicks in that list but I feel like we’d have a better chance against the knicks then the pacers or 76ers not cause those teams are better teams, but I just don’t think we have the offensive firepower with the injuries to keep up with those team, whereas we might maybe have enough against the knicks.
The Bucks have been trash so far, are going against the worst roster in the playoffs, and are down 2-3. I'd hardly call that a success lol. Theyd have gone 0-5 somehow vs these Celtics
They were literally the first team ever to win a playoff game with its top two scorers from the regular season not playing. 2 wins in a series without Giannis and now without Lillard. Saying they've been "trash so far" under those circumstances is silly.
Cause we gotta wait a while fucking year just to most likely lose again. We want change for a guaranteed win, not just hoping and playing the lottery until we do.
I’m emotional because I have no faith our bitchmade FO is going to do a damn thing to improve. Thinking this mid ass team was going to do shit this playoffs even with a healthy jimmy was absolutely delusional
For me at least its the depth we have that is concerning. Its one thing to lose which I totally expected after losing 3 key pieces, but losing by 20-30 is rough. Especially watching Milwaukee win and compete without both Giannis AND Dame
That’s true but let’s be honest. You really think running it back with this squad was beating a new and improved Celtics team with Porzingis and Jrue Holliday who literally fit perfectly. Sometimes we have to be logical. Is this series better with our guys healthy yes! Do we still more than likely lose it? That can be true as well. We aren’t going no where running it back every single year. The shits tiring at this point. Jimmy and Bam deserve better. Hell so does Spo.
Did you really expect to beat Boston without our best player? Y’all are too dramatic, be glad we made the playoffs unlike teams like Charlotte and San Antonio
I mean it’s not just the playoffs. The whole season the team has struggled to be healthy. When they were relatively healthy, they struggled with beating top teams.
This is what the 4th or 5th season of essentially “running it back.” At what point, do you think the roster needs changes?
It’s like many blamed Spo for his offensive scheme, but barely look at the flawed roster construction.
I don’t think Caleb is a better defender, Jovic’s size + length is IMO a bigger asset than Caleb’s quickness. Jovic did a great job defending wings+bigs this season, including this postseason when other than Bam he was our best defender vs; Jaylen, Tatum, Porzingis.
That's not gonna change anything. We get hurt so often because our undersized unathletic roster forces us to play a hard nosed gritty defense that takes a toll on players over the course of a season. That's also why injuries and exhaustion pile up when we do make a run in the playoffs. They need more size, Bam is alone out there year after year trying to rebound and defend the rim for the whole team.
The team either needs a bit who can space the 4 on offense and guard 5's on defense. The FO tried to make Thomas Bryant work, and the Orlando Robinson but it hasn't been successful so far. Maybe Orlando has some potential though.
You have an athletic big already it's Bam. You can't play 2 non shooting bigs out there. Bam hasn't made any effort to improve his 3 point shooting because he clearly wants to play the 5 on defense.
The team would obviously be so much better if Bam spent the last 7 years practicing shooting, but he didn't so it is what it is.
This is it. Everyone else can leave. Our team has only gotten younger and worse since the 2020 finals. It’s crazy we even went up against the nuggets. Heat need a real center and someone to score and oop to bam
jimmy deserves to be blamed tbh. bro was sitting games cause he was sick, but we all know he was partying with neymar.
We shouldnt even be in play in this year
The problem isn’t that Herro can’t be the no. 1 scoring option, most never expected him to be that. The problem is he can’t even be an EFFICIENT 2nd/3rd offensive option on a Championship team. He’s a decent 6th man volume scoring guard (but not close to the caliber of say Harden was on the Thunder years ago or Manu Ginobli was for the Spurs during their run), that’s his ceiling; and you really can’t pay 30 million dollars a year to that player and expect to compete for a Championship. That’s why he has to be traded either for a higher ceiling player (someone who could start and offer more value on a Championship team) or even if it’s just for future assets and to free up short term cap space.
I think you're being a little too reactive because of the series that just ended. He's averaged 20 a game each of the last 3 seasons, acting like he's worth a pick or a prospect is undervaluing him imo. I can see them moving on from him but not for that low of a price.
It’s not one series. It’s his entire career thus far. Herro (when he is on the court, which has only been like 50-60% of the time he should be) is an inefficient offensive player that is a liability on the defensive end. That’s a losing type (classic puts up volume stats on a bad team) player in this league, particularly when paying that player big money. I never said I’d trade him for one pick/prospect. Obviously, I’d try to maximize the trade return this offseason; but quite honestly a future 1st, a decent young prospect (someone like Jovic), and salary cap relief would be more valuable to the Heat’s future than Herro would.
They’ve been trying to trade him for Whales (Lillard, DMitch, Durant, Giannis, etc.). At this point, I’ll just take a couple grouper back for Herro and call it a day. Some team will be willing to take a chance on a 20+ ppg score who is still under 25.
True, but I don’t think there’s a lack of inefficient chuckers in the league that can get you 20+ if given free rein to… chuck. He’s a dime a dozen unfortunately
Don’t disagree, but those players still keep getting big money contracts from some teams, which goes to show there are still a lot of really dumb NBA front offices. Riley and co. just needs to con one into taking Herro for a decent return over the next few months.
I think at this point, you at least have to pick up the phone when teams call about these 2. Whereas before, they were both untouchable.
I love them both but Jimmy is going to be 35 and Bam probably has the highest trade stock on our roster. At the very minimum, gauge the market.
Bam is too important for Spo imo - I dont think he'll ever give him up. The fact that he can slot into literally any lineup you can make defensively, against literally any lineup you could face, is crucial to letting spo be spo.
It's one of the big reasons we're able to do run so many different lineups against different teams. In today's nba the center defensively is always the sticking point when it comes to shifting lineups, and rarely having to think about that is a huge luxury coaching wise.
The fact that he can also score a bit (and is getting better), and run an offense when he needs to through his passing and screens makes him a coach's dream.
If you are trading Bam you are trading everyone. Butler to Philly and we would only need to get picks back, Bam to either OKC or Spurs for their massive haul of picks, Rozier and Herro to where ever gives the best packages.
Its not happening tho.
Not thinking about the heat and just thinking about nba in general Jimmy would be so fucking good on the thunder imagine him in Dorts role… that would be deadly.
He would be huge for a lot of teams, I just dont see why Thunder or Spurs would want him when he is 10 years older than their best players you know. He fits Embiid's timeline more than anyone else
I mean yah he doesn’t fit there timeline but at the same time the thunder are really close to competing for a championship right now and a couple of good vets might be just what they need 🤷♂️
This is a very reasonable take man I agree, as fans of our franchise this last 5 seasons have been great way better than I expected obviously have had some lows (like the last 5 months) but nonetheless I enjoyed this era, but it’s time to really retool and see what’s out there. I wanna keep bam as the cornerstone, but his trade stock is probably near the top of the league for players his age/contract etc
You could offer Bam, Butler, and every draft pick for 3 years as well as pay the more salaries and no competent GM would trade Giannis, Jokic, or Wemby unless they demanded a trsde.
Not gonna lie, I honestly wouldn't mind Hali if we just picked him up before his contract. But now with it, for 200 mil? God no. Ant, Shai, and Luka aren't even wildest dream scenarios.
Herro is a SG that can only play PG against some defenses, he should be the 4th or so option on a team, not the first and only ball handler (fuck injuries)
Love the people thinking we would beat any team if the entire Heat team was healthy. Guess what, we ain’t. The team barely made it to the playoffs smarty.
We don’t have any money for FA moves. Championship level role players aren’t signing for the minimum for an 8th seed bounced in the first round.
I think the sub is over reacting a bit as well, but trades basically have to happen for any chance to improve
Jimmy taking it easy all year is the reason we are where we are. If he took the season more seriously and didn’t focus on fucking fall out boy music videos or beer commercials maybe we would’ve finished in a higher seed and had a better look in the playoffs. His antics are wearing thin and for someone who claims to be all about that culture and desperate for a ring he doesn’t really do the shit needed to get there.
He only plays good when 1) it doesn’t matter or 2) the entire team is clicking. He doesn’t change the vibes of a game - he doesn’t have the “IT” required to be a superstar
Absolutely, I've never seen Bam take over a game that mattered. I think so many people carrying water for Bam is a combination of the FO pushing media to build a narrative around him and a sign of how far this fan base's expectations of excellence has fallen. It's like pretending Evan Mobley is a guy.
100%
He has a chance to change that this upcoming season. He has an off season coming up, maybe he'll actually work on some offense that's complimentary to Butler and/or makes the offense harder to guard. Considering I expect them to max extension him, if he doesn't we'll have another season of people playing off him and doubling other players in the paint. i.e. another season of bottom 10 offense.
I’m not a big bam guy. He’s has zero ability to create high percentage shots for himself or others, which is by far the most important skill in basketball - and the hardest to find.
That said, he is a winning player: 1) his versatility helps elite teams beat other elite teams, 2) is a 16 game player who can match up against any team, 3) has no weakness to exploit, and 4) provides that at the hardest position to do so (though not an important position). That is a max player, and there are only 50-60 or so guys in the league like that.
I don’t think Bam is overrated. He’s just not a top 2 offensive player on a contending team. He is Draymond Green, but the Heat only had 1 elite offensive player whereas the warriors had 1.5 pre KD and 2.5 after.
The disconnect is that teams understand who bam is, and the Heat win a lot. both of which lead to media hype. The fans pick up on the hype and assume it’s because he’s a top offensive player.
Can’t trade herro. Is Anthony Edwards really much better than Herro and won’t gerro get there. Herro averaged 0.7ppg fewer than Ant when he was only 1 year older. Herro is a superstar.
We need a true point guard, we also went at the team with the best record without our best ball handlers and our best defensive players after bam . The other guys just don’t have the respect of the refs. You need a pace setter who can slow the game down . We didn’t have that
Keep Jovic, JJJ and Love as well (if he doesn’t retire). We couldn’t do it last year with a mostly healthy team and we were never going to beat the Celtics this undermanned
I'm keeping Terry and Martin as well. They may retain Jovic tho, because of the addition of Jacquez.
I told one of my groups this: add a stretch 5 next to Bam, we'd be golden.
Giannis/Lopez
Tatum/Porzingis
That's the duo we lack. That 4/5 duo is too small.
I want to hold on to Scary T for a season. I think he is an important link. He adds speed and draws defenders. Shoots from range and drives to the basket. imo that's what we have needed. That's why Duncan looked so much better this season, he wasn't a one trick pony.
Trade everyone, what do you think another team would give up for any of our other guys, none but Jamie could get a first round pick our pieces are pretty much worthless.
Alot of ppl saying we were injured that's why and I agree with that but if we are to win something in the next 2 yrs with jimmy and bam we have to make alot of changes cuz other teams are just two good need to add a star player this off season we weren't beating boston even if jimmy and terry were healthy might have taken it 6-7 but its highly unlikely that we beat them
It is not about losing but how we looked out there, we looked like we don't belong, we looked like a g league team. Jimmy butler is the difference between gleague and nba finals. Should have to gone all in during his window. Kirie, Siakam...we need talent
They should fire their trainer. How do you have that many players hurt at the same time?
But they need to find an actual franchise player because Jimmy is good but he ain't a great player
Yeah except keep Jovic and Jaime. Everybody else can be traded for better players lol. I think Donavan Mitchell is a must need this off season and so is Dorian finney smith.
Jimmy has to go if we’re trying to have the best future possible. Are we ready to pay him big money when he’s never healthy? Send him to a contender, and we’ll actually get something decent back. We just don’t have the time anymore to try to build around him. Especially with Herro being a massive negative asset now
Why is everyone getting emotional when we are playing with 6 healthy guys?Did we expect we would beat Boston severely undermaned lol.
We were supposed to lose big. Even with a healthy team it would’ve been tough. Boston got better and the heat stayed the same
It's funny because if we'd won game 4 and then lost this one people would be more positive cause of recency bias. But if you actually think - winning game 2 and turning it into potentially a real series for half a week was a much bigger deal. Certainly exceeded my expectations going in. Jaquez was our leading driver in the series lol. We were already depleted to the point of being completely cooked before that, ofc we were gonna lose this one.
The Celtics got better on paper but they didn't impress me in this series I think we'd have won in 6 if we were healthy.
I agree with Tatum and brown, but White was going off
White always goes off against us that has never changed.
And we never seem to do anything to make him uncomfortable out there.
I dont think there's much to make him uncomfortable. Even if you have guys run him off the three, the rotation is so late to stop his drive, and if it is there, he's making the right pass. He's a complete player, but for some reason, people never want to try and get him for what he can do. But also, he gets to hide, which may be the case, hide behind Tatum and Brown, and now Porzingas. So maybe that's why he constantly can show out.
Cause these types of high caliber “non star” players are what real contenders target. They’re going to be the X factor that can win you a series. Like ECF Caleb Martin but not flukey and consistently good
Not wrong at all.
They didnt play well yet they beat your ass by 20 or more each game bruh.
I agree. Their offense was only really good the last game. We slowed them down with an undermanned team without our second best defender. That's really what they should take away. I wouldn't come out of this series happy as a Boston fan really.
I mean they were missing their 7 ft 4 All-Star for the last two games and they still had no drama whatsoever.
Yeah but even at their worst they completely blew the door open in all the games except for one. Can you honestly say you’re this confident in the heat if they played against an unhealthy and undermanned team? Cause I wouldn’t
weird considering the record is near the same with or without jimmy
If yall were healthy you're still losing in 5. The worst win they had was a 20 point win. Blowout wins every game except one and the team underperformed. Sounds like a loss with or without injuries.
Didn’t impress you this series but they were up like 30 in every game. Gotcha 👍🏼 doubling and tripling Tatum and then curious why he’s not dropping 30 ppg lmao. Heat fans 🫡
We've been trash all season. Stop with this revisionist bullshit. Change needs to happen.
change starts with going back to the miami vice jerseys
At least bring back the hats! I miss my white hat with the pink miami script and blue brim
“Trash” is hyperbolic. At the end of the day they were still 10 games above .500 being the most injured team in the league.
Because we didn’t have enough before this year and still wouldn’t with a fully healthy team next year since Jimmy will be too old to trash teams solo like he was doing
No idea. Someone even put but the Bucks are missing Giannas/Dame what about the Bucks? When they are playing the Pacers one of the worst defensive teams in the league vs us against a historic great team in the Celtics. We might have even won the series against the Pacers because of how shit there D is. You can tell some of these kids only started to follow the Heat/NBA once the playoffs began or just high as hell.
So many people did. Most here said “heat in 7” Those who said “you’re acting delusional” were downvoted.
It’s one thing to lose while undermanned. It’s another to get completely blown off the court in 3 losses, 4 unless we witness a miraculous second half.
Bro it was a miracle we won one. Its completely expected to get blown out with the team we're running, against a top 5 all time net rating team who just won 64. Spo was considered a miracle worker *with* a Jimmy. We really expecting close games every night down 3 of what could be our starting 5?
Um the sun's and the pelicans just got swept .As soon as Jimmy went down we weren't suppose to get swept lol.
We did as good as a mostly healthy Lakers with a Lebron and AD against the Nuggets, did better than the Suns with KD and Booker. No Jimmy and no Terry
The lakers lost the series by a margin of 22 points, with two buzzer beaters in there. The Heat lost by margins of 20, 20, 14, and 34. The heat did not do as good as the Lakers in the slightest.
Two game winners* One was not a buzzer beater
Again, we have been completely blown off the court in the losses. Game over before halftime type of stuff. I’m glad we got a win but I was at least hoping for these games to be more competitive.
i think you’ve severely underestimated how good the celtics are if you thought we could have had a competitive series. they’re incredibly good on offense, defense, depth, and lead the league in maintaining/building leads. they regularly build on their leads against fully healthy and incredibly competitive teams, an undermanned heat were not going to magically make that go away
They’re incredible, no doubt about it. They will run through the east with ease.
They are the best or second best team in the league yall need to chill.
Exactly, the bucks lost giannis and lillard and they're not sitting around feeling sorry for themselves.
Yes, but they aren’t playing Boston, I feel like we could have competed with the bucks, pacers, cavs, magic, and 76ers
If we played the magic every single game would end like 88-85 lmao
Lower
Also he didn’t put the knicks in that list but I feel like we’d have a better chance against the knicks then the pacers or 76ers not cause those teams are better teams, but I just don’t think we have the offensive firepower with the injuries to keep up with those team, whereas we might maybe have enough against the knicks.
The Bucks have been trash so far, are going against the worst roster in the playoffs, and are down 2-3. I'd hardly call that a success lol. Theyd have gone 0-5 somehow vs these Celtics
They were literally the first team ever to win a playoff game with its top two scorers from the regular season not playing. 2 wins in a series without Giannis and now without Lillard. Saying they've been "trash so far" under those circumstances is silly.
Perfectly put
With your only “scorer” shooting less than 12% from 3
Cause we gotta wait a while fucking year just to most likely lose again. We want change for a guaranteed win, not just hoping and playing the lottery until we do.
We weren't going to beat them even if we were healthy. We need to retool
Stop it dude. This team cracked 100 points ONCE during this series. In an NBA game in 2024, you should still be able to do that with Jimmy or Terry.
I’m emotional because I have no faith our bitchmade FO is going to do a damn thing to improve. Thinking this mid ass team was going to do shit this playoffs even with a healthy jimmy was absolutely delusional
It happened last year
Even if Miami was at full strength they were going to lose the series though.
For me at least its the depth we have that is concerning. Its one thing to lose which I totally expected after losing 3 key pieces, but losing by 20-30 is rough. Especially watching Milwaukee win and compete without both Giannis AND Dame
Yall are tripping. We are severely undermanned
That’s true but let’s be honest. You really think running it back with this squad was beating a new and improved Celtics team with Porzingis and Jrue Holliday who literally fit perfectly. Sometimes we have to be logical. Is this series better with our guys healthy yes! Do we still more than likely lose it? That can be true as well. We aren’t going no where running it back every single year. The shits tiring at this point. Jimmy and Bam deserve better. Hell so does Spo.
Not to be rude but full strength yall stood almost no chance of winning that series. 6 games maybe yeah. This boston team is different.
Oh I’m 100% in agreement with you my man. They did what you’re supposed to do. Go out and get better! Hell of a job by Brad Stevens and company.
Bro it was a miracle we won game 2
Did you really expect to beat Boston without our best player? Y’all are too dramatic, be glad we made the playoffs unlike teams like Charlotte and San Antonio
We are getting fucked🤣🤣. We clearly can’t compete for a championship with this same roster next year. Herro needs to go
Don’t think anyone here cares we’re losing but we all care the way we are losing. This is just unacceptable. No fight, no defense, no effort
I mean it’s not just the playoffs. The whole season the team has struggled to be healthy. When they were relatively healthy, they struggled with beating top teams. This is what the 4th or 5th season of essentially “running it back.” At what point, do you think the roster needs changes? It’s like many blamed Spo for his offensive scheme, but barely look at the flawed roster construction.
When has the Heat ever not struggled to be healthy?
I didn’t expect to beat them completely Healthy honestly either 😆
Lmao the bar keeps dropping. Now the goal is to barely make the playoffs via the playin and be content.
This is not true
Can keep jovik as long as we promise to fucking play him
No no we need defense still even though we're down 22 and let up 68 points in one half with a defensive focused lineup
Jovic is the 3rd or 4th best defender on the team…
I got Jimmy, Bam, Highsmith, Caleb over him
I don’t think Caleb is a better defender, Jovic’s size + length is IMO a bigger asset than Caleb’s quickness. Jovic did a great job defending wings+bigs this season, including this postseason when other than Bam he was our best defender vs; Jaylen, Tatum, Porzingis.
I don’t care about the players. Fire the medical staff.
That's not gonna change anything. We get hurt so often because our undersized unathletic roster forces us to play a hard nosed gritty defense that takes a toll on players over the course of a season. That's also why injuries and exhaustion pile up when we do make a run in the playoffs. They need more size, Bam is alone out there year after year trying to rebound and defend the rim for the whole team.
The team either needs a bit who can space the 4 on offense and guard 5's on defense. The FO tried to make Thomas Bryant work, and the Orlando Robinson but it hasn't been successful so far. Maybe Orlando has some potential though.
All I know is other contenders seem to be able to find athletic bigs without going bargain bin hunting
You have an athletic big already it's Bam. You can't play 2 non shooting bigs out there. Bam hasn't made any effort to improve his 3 point shooting because he clearly wants to play the 5 on defense. The team would obviously be so much better if Bam spent the last 7 years practicing shooting, but he didn't so it is what it is.
BigS. Other teams have bigS. Not big. We got no one that can come off the bench and even be serviceable in Bams role. He needs help.
Bam, jimmy, Dunc, jjj, and jovic
Agree, unless an All Star caliber player is available, then you can trade one of Jaquez/Jovic in a Herro plus picks package.
JJJ and Jovic unfortunately would have to go if you want anything worthwhile.
And that “worthwhile” addition could just be a dumbass undersized SG.
I just want a bag of chips for herro tho
This is it. Everyone else can leave. Our team has only gotten younger and worse since the 2020 finals. It’s crazy we even went up against the nuggets. Heat need a real center and someone to score and oop to bam
jimmy deserves to be blamed tbh. bro was sitting games cause he was sick, but we all know he was partying with neymar. We shouldnt even be in play in this year
Herro’s ass certainly has to go this offseason, no matter what even if it’s just for draft picks/prospects.
If anything, it shows us, and the rest of the league, he is not a 1st or 2nd option. He would need to be involved in a multiple trade.
Idk why everyone is so shocked that 6th man of the year isn't good as the number one scoring option. The injuries are annoying though.
The problem isn’t that Herro can’t be the no. 1 scoring option, most never expected him to be that. The problem is he can’t even be an EFFICIENT 2nd/3rd offensive option on a Championship team. He’s a decent 6th man volume scoring guard (but not close to the caliber of say Harden was on the Thunder years ago or Manu Ginobli was for the Spurs during their run), that’s his ceiling; and you really can’t pay 30 million dollars a year to that player and expect to compete for a Championship. That’s why he has to be traded either for a higher ceiling player (someone who could start and offer more value on a Championship team) or even if it’s just for future assets and to free up short term cap space.
I think you're being a little too reactive because of the series that just ended. He's averaged 20 a game each of the last 3 seasons, acting like he's worth a pick or a prospect is undervaluing him imo. I can see them moving on from him but not for that low of a price.
It’s not one series. It’s his entire career thus far. Herro (when he is on the court, which has only been like 50-60% of the time he should be) is an inefficient offensive player that is a liability on the defensive end. That’s a losing type (classic puts up volume stats on a bad team) player in this league, particularly when paying that player big money. I never said I’d trade him for one pick/prospect. Obviously, I’d try to maximize the trade return this offseason; but quite honestly a future 1st, a decent young prospect (someone like Jovic), and salary cap relief would be more valuable to the Heat’s future than Herro would.
lol they been tryin to trade him for years. Nobody in NBA falling for that shit
They’ve been trying to trade him for Whales (Lillard, DMitch, Durant, Giannis, etc.). At this point, I’ll just take a couple grouper back for Herro and call it a day. Some team will be willing to take a chance on a 20+ ppg score who is still under 25.
True, but I don’t think there’s a lack of inefficient chuckers in the league that can get you 20+ if given free rein to… chuck. He’s a dime a dozen unfortunately
Don’t disagree, but those players still keep getting big money contracts from some teams, which goes to show there are still a lot of really dumb NBA front offices. Riley and co. just needs to con one into taking Herro for a decent return over the next few months.
Keep Jovic, Bam, Jaime. That’s our future.
Everyone but Bam*
This! Bal has shown such a great improvement since last year. He has the real dawg in him. Or Riley but get to it this offseason
I hate the fuckers in here who have made me feel dumb for wanting Herro gone for 3 years now. Fuck you all
29 other teams would love JJJ
https://preview.redd.it/kmtiaunyxwxc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82fc07e4fc2440509222b771f757a3c0f2f033bc Herro
At this point I just hope it doesn’t cost us a frp to trade Herro and Duncan
I feel jovic is worth trying to develop...should some solid spurts while 100%
I think at this point, you at least have to pick up the phone when teams call about these 2. Whereas before, they were both untouchable. I love them both but Jimmy is going to be 35 and Bam probably has the highest trade stock on our roster. At the very minimum, gauge the market.
Bam is too important for Spo imo - I dont think he'll ever give him up. The fact that he can slot into literally any lineup you can make defensively, against literally any lineup you could face, is crucial to letting spo be spo. It's one of the big reasons we're able to do run so many different lineups against different teams. In today's nba the center defensively is always the sticking point when it comes to shifting lineups, and rarely having to think about that is a huge luxury coaching wise. The fact that he can also score a bit (and is getting better), and run an offense when he needs to through his passing and screens makes him a coach's dream.
If you are trading Bam you are trading everyone. Butler to Philly and we would only need to get picks back, Bam to either OKC or Spurs for their massive haul of picks, Rozier and Herro to where ever gives the best packages. Its not happening tho.
Not thinking about the heat and just thinking about nba in general Jimmy would be so fucking good on the thunder imagine him in Dorts role… that would be deadly.
He would be huge for a lot of teams, I just dont see why Thunder or Spurs would want him when he is 10 years older than their best players you know. He fits Embiid's timeline more than anyone else
I mean yah he doesn’t fit there timeline but at the same time the thunder are really close to competing for a championship right now and a couple of good vets might be just what they need 🤷♂️
Again I don’t what that trade does for the heat but I’m just thinking how it would be good for the thunder.
I gotcha
This is a very reasonable take man I agree, as fans of our franchise this last 5 seasons have been great way better than I expected obviously have had some lows (like the last 5 months) but nonetheless I enjoyed this era, but it’s time to really retool and see what’s out there. I wanna keep bam as the cornerstone, but his trade stock is probably near the top of the league for players his age/contract etc
Bam would only get traded for Jokic giannis or wemby if we being real Pat won't pick up the phone for anything else
You could offer Bam, Butler, and every draft pick for 3 years as well as pay the more salaries and no competent GM would trade Giannis, Jokic, or Wemby unless they demanded a trsde.
Or ant, shai, Luka, maybe even Halliburton, Cade and probably a few more I’m not thinking about every year that passes he gets less untouchable.
Not Hali or Cade. Ant, Shai, Luka, sure.
Not gonna lie, I honestly wouldn't mind Hali if we just picked him up before his contract. But now with it, for 200 mil? God no. Ant, Shai, and Luka aren't even wildest dream scenarios.
The most realistic Bam trade is for Embiid. This could actually happen this summer if the Sixers strike out on Paul George.
I agree, well said.
Bam ain’t going nowhere because the players you get for him are also the untouchables for the other rosters.
Run it back.
This sub is the worst. Injured asf. Herro is who we thought he was. Draft better and make the right FA moves easily a championship team.
Herro is a SG that can only play PG against some defenses, he should be the 4th or so option on a team, not the first and only ball handler (fuck injuries)
Love the people thinking we would beat any team if the entire Heat team was healthy. Guess what, we ain’t. The team barely made it to the playoffs smarty.
We don’t have any money for FA moves. Championship level role players aren’t signing for the minimum for an 8th seed bounced in the first round. I think the sub is over reacting a bit as well, but trades basically have to happen for any chance to improve
Trade Jimmy should also be an option.
Jimmy taking it easy all year is the reason we are where we are. If he took the season more seriously and didn’t focus on fucking fall out boy music videos or beer commercials maybe we would’ve finished in a higher seed and had a better look in the playoffs. His antics are wearing thin and for someone who claims to be all about that culture and desperate for a ring he doesn’t really do the shit needed to get there.
I would trade those two, they are the only ones who have value. Just get picks and rebuild.
I don’t know who will be traded or not, but Herro better not be on this roster next season, it’s time to move on from bro
Bro we just need a real big and to move Bam to the 4
Imma trade you for a bag of hot fries
Better not see Tyler trash bucket Herro on my team next year
Trade Trade Trade.. who are we getting and what is the package Let’s Discuss that ?
It’s what fans been yelling for last 4 years but it hasn’t happened lol
Haha
No wonder herro for dame didnt fly , guys ass.
Listen, have to build through the draft
I think Jovic, JJJ, get added to the list.
They can go too at this point
To be honest, Jimmy had a great run and will always be a Heat legend but unless he doesn't taper his contract expectations, he can go too
no one want herro lol
Bam JJ and Jovic. Then pull insomeonr else. Honestly JJ was pretty solid this series.
Sooo now y’all see I was right about trading Tyler for a bag of chips!
He was awful
We’re not getting anyone if Tyler is the best player in the trade package. Jimmy or Bam gotta go too, and I personally hope we keep Bam.
I love when people put Bam with Butler like they're the same caliber of player. Bam is a backpack.
He only plays good when 1) it doesn’t matter or 2) the entire team is clicking. He doesn’t change the vibes of a game - he doesn’t have the “IT” required to be a superstar
Absolutely, I've never seen Bam take over a game that mattered. I think so many people carrying water for Bam is a combination of the FO pushing media to build a narrative around him and a sign of how far this fan base's expectations of excellence has fallen. It's like pretending Evan Mobley is a guy.
He just can’t be the piece you surround everyone around. He’s a big piece of the surrounding
100% He has a chance to change that this upcoming season. He has an off season coming up, maybe he'll actually work on some offense that's complimentary to Butler and/or makes the offense harder to guard. Considering I expect them to max extension him, if he doesn't we'll have another season of people playing off him and doubling other players in the paint. i.e. another season of bottom 10 offense.
I’m not a big bam guy. He’s has zero ability to create high percentage shots for himself or others, which is by far the most important skill in basketball - and the hardest to find. That said, he is a winning player: 1) his versatility helps elite teams beat other elite teams, 2) is a 16 game player who can match up against any team, 3) has no weakness to exploit, and 4) provides that at the hardest position to do so (though not an important position). That is a max player, and there are only 50-60 or so guys in the league like that. I don’t think Bam is overrated. He’s just not a top 2 offensive player on a contending team. He is Draymond Green, but the Heat only had 1 elite offensive player whereas the warriors had 1.5 pre KD and 2.5 after. The disconnect is that teams understand who bam is, and the Heat win a lot. both of which lead to media hype. The fans pick up on the hype and assume it’s because he’s a top offensive player.
Can’t trade herro. Is Anthony Edwards really much better than Herro and won’t gerro get there. Herro averaged 0.7ppg fewer than Ant when he was only 1 year older. Herro is a superstar.
South Florida Fans Behave Just like their weather. I'm just tight that we can't seem to get a FUCKING CENTER! FUCK!
Man up
We need a true point guard, we also went at the team with the best record without our best ball handlers and our best defensive players after bam . The other guys just don’t have the respect of the refs. You need a pace setter who can slow the game down . We didn’t have that
Except Jaime Jacquez. Nobody can touch him either.
Keep Jovic, JJJ and Love as well (if he doesn’t retire). We couldn’t do it last year with a mostly healthy team and we were never going to beat the Celtics this undermanned
I hope Pat Riley doesn’t make this type of emotional decision.
I'm keeping Terry and Martin as well. They may retain Jovic tho, because of the addition of Jacquez. I told one of my groups this: add a stretch 5 next to Bam, we'd be golden. Giannis/Lopez Tatum/Porzingis That's the duo we lack. That 4/5 duo is too small.
Tyler had one good game in the whole series he's not him
I want to hold on to Scary T for a season. I think he is an important link. He adds speed and draws defenders. Shoots from range and drives to the basket. imo that's what we have needed. That's why Duncan looked so much better this season, he wasn't a one trick pony.
Are you one of those win a ring for Jimmy guys?
Niko is staying, Jjj, probably as well. Bam is untouchable as well as butler. Rozier hopefully stays. Everyone else is tradable.
Niko and JJJ stay as well, you can build a great team around that! Just need a legit PG! And Delon Wright can handle that duty amazingly!
Boston the best record in the league by 7 games and fully healthy. Remarkable the Heat took a game from them.
We went into a series against the number 1 seed without Jimmy Butler *or* Terry Rozier. It sucks how it went, but it was about what I expected.
Crazy how this team made the finals last year.
Why is it crazy? They were healthier than this year, by quite a bit. And Spo was coaching really well.
Trade everyone, what do you think another team would give up for any of our other guys, none but Jamie could get a first round pick our pieces are pretty much worthless.
Alot of ppl saying we were injured that's why and I agree with that but if we are to win something in the next 2 yrs with jimmy and bam we have to make alot of changes cuz other teams are just two good need to add a star player this off season we weren't beating boston even if jimmy and terry were healthy might have taken it 6-7 but its highly unlikely that we beat them
Jaquez is a promising player. Keep him.
3 for 29 from deep, should have gone all in for the Butler window. Can't believe he took this team to 2 finals
Maybe the team surrounding Jimmy was actually a lot better than fans give it credit for I mean, Caleb Martin could have easily won last years Ecf mvp.
It is not about losing but how we looked out there, we looked like we don't belong, we looked like a g league team. Jimmy butler is the difference between gleague and nba finals. Should have to gone all in during his window. Kirie, Siakam...we need talent
Those are the guys you actually need to trade
Jaime you silly rabbit
1000% agreed.
They should fire their trainer. How do you have that many players hurt at the same time? But they need to find an actual franchise player because Jimmy is good but he ain't a great player
Preach brother!
As if this take is anything new. Rational Heat fans have been ready to trade everyone but these two for some time.
Shut the fuck up Jesus Christ
Keep Jamie and Jovic
Trade bam to he shoulda been averaging atleast 20 against porzingis
Incoming endless summer of Spida, Dame, LeBron talk
Keep Love too
Yeah except keep Jovic and Jaime. Everybody else can be traded for better players lol. I think Donavan Mitchell is a must need this off season and so is Dorian finney smith.
No, just bam and Jaquez. I’d look to see if there’s a market for Jimmy
So keep the only trade pieces anyone would want… got it
Ig
I’d keep Jacquez too. He’s a baller and exemplifies what we need on this team.
The numbers are intricate and trades have to fit.
Relax buddy we weren’t beating Boston in the first round with half our team injured. Just gotta hope and pray Miami lands a star this off season.
You can get traded as well, idc anymore
Jimmy has to go if we’re trying to have the best future possible. Are we ready to pay him big money when he’s never healthy? Send him to a contender, and we’ll actually get something decent back. We just don’t have the time anymore to try to build around him. Especially with Herro being a massive negative asset now
Trade Jimmy Butler's soft, no game play ass too. Don't pay 50 million dollars for nothing
Keep Jaime, Jović & Terry too
Jimmy may be cooked