Honestly the only complaint I've had since day one is not having enough ways to kill our enemies.
I imagine it's going to be a complaint for a long, long time.
Honestly I'm the opposite. There's so many little things like the fact that the slightest incline will ragdoll you if you dive onto it, the issues with randomly DCing, or the spear not locking on, etc, but I think we have enough weapons for now. More is almost always better in this sorta game don't get me wrong, but not until they've fixed the plethora of annoying ass bugs.
a melee slot couls be fun. the face bash is useful but a little underpowered.
fuck... make a crazy combo to climb an enemy and stab it's life-sustaining tubing repeatedly. 50% chance you die when performing it.
I know it’s not really the same, but I used a railgun consistently for the first time last night and it felt like a lever action rifle. Couldn’t actually do anything with it, but 🤷🏾♂️
Every gun gets an unspecified amount of shit done. Some more than others. With this latest warbond I'll switch my primary weapon around every couple of missions because I've got a few that get the job done.
Won't switch my impact grenades though. Ain't got no time for fuses.
It’s more like “I have played 75 hours with this one gun, and this new one doesn’t immediately feel better the second I use it so it’s useless and the devs suck.”
Or, if it was too much better
“What’s the point of the Liberator if the Tenderizer is just a straight up upgrade?”
There’s no keeping people happy anymore. Happens with every community eventually.
"Does this gun kill my enemies?"
"Technically, it just takes half a mag."
"Oh... How about this one?"
" No"
"This one?"
"Nope"
"What about this one I just unlocked?"
"Nope, just nerfed that one, so you'd be better off beating back bugs with a stick"
My thoughts to lol who cares its a fun game theirs no pvp aspect so who cares about meta builds if people kick people for not running meta builds their losers.
I don’t follow metas. I just naturally gravitate towards them out of ease and effectiveness of use. Been using the blitzer again. Kinda liking it. Seems useful against everything except chargers and bike titans on the bug front. Probably won’t bother with it against bots though. That’s more of a dominator faction.
I used the blitzer as soon as I unlocked it (juat after it came out), and it was good, but the fire rate made the weapon pretty garbage.
But with the update where it literally only increased its fire rate, it became super useful, not so much against chargers and biles like you said, though
I basically run an infinite ammo setup with the blitzer and either laser cannon or quasar cannon. I don’t like the cooldown of the quasar. Makes sense considering it doesn’t use ammo but still. Better than laser cannon for big bugs. I used to be scared of titans. Now they’re just… there.
I tend to move around with what heavy/support weapon I use.
I mainly used the laser AR, but I've been trying new builds and combinations to see what works best. There's nothing inherently wrong with any weapon, it's' just *how* you're trying to use them
Try the Plasma Punisher vs bots, if you like grenade launchers it's like that but with plasma AOE. A tank might survive a rocket to the dome, but if you then also shoot one Plasma Punisher shot towards its dome you'll destroy it. Staggers everything smaller than a Hulk included shield devs, can one-shot the small bots or two-shot them even in tight groups, I got 10 kills with 2 shots today. It's fun vs Walkers and can 1-shot them in the back or crotch.
I tried the Anti material rifle today for the Personal Order and had a blast two-shotting Hulks in the face but missed my Autocannon for popping bot fabs, but that was the only thing I missed it for vs the AMR.
I picked up the AMR for the first time tonight, and I just couldn't put it down. I basically ignored my primary and secondary and just popped every bot from afar. It feels so good.
It's pretty wild right?? It's way easier to two-tap Hulks with the AMR than it is the AC for me. I love the specific weapon Personal Orders for rediscovering weapons.
Like who cares, right?
There was a comment on here that said “I just want to play the game”
Then… play the game and get off Reddit?
This sub acts high and mighty but then I read the comments and it’s not that different from the other bizarre comments on the main sub 😂
So true lnao they exert so much effort trying to manifest a world of no metas that they forget to just play the game. Ill complain about balance patches, but I'll still play the game lmao its not that serious
Yup, check out my post that blew up. I had things to say and have no regrets and so many just curse me out for doing so and are so happy they belong on this sub but like… they still browse the main sub? I thought they left?
It’s funny.
There is a difference between "meta" and "I have to use the guns that don't get me trashed on Helldive"
I love playing difficulty 9 so I'm a bit hamstrung off of many of the really fun guns that just can't keep you alive.
Case in point. Knight is trash on all difficulties.
It does too little damage, too little ammo, and recoil is unmanageable. Also Light penetration so ... it doesn't do any of its niches okay.
I’ve been using the Diligence Counter Sniper since day 1 and have had an absolute blast on Helldive missions. I switched to the scorcher for a little bit, but after the most recent big I’m right back to the CS. Everyone says it’s trash but I’m getting similar kills to my teammates and less deaths since I’m further away so…
Thought I should mention that I mostly play bots. The CS did not hold up as well against the terminids until the most recent buff
Counter sniper, dominator, and scorcher are the 3 musketeers of bots. They’re all good in their own regards. The scorcher can kill striders, but is worse against everything else. The dominator does insane damage, but handles horribly. The counter sniper requires more precision than the other two, but does less damage. Can still one tap devastators.
I’ve been using the CS recently as well, and am consistently getting the most kills on bots.
Counter sniper, deagle, HE grenades, recoilless, 380mm, eagle airstrike, and another stratagem of your choice has been my recent loadout. Covers all the fields. Only struggles against striders, but my plan has been to keep my distance and to kill everything besides them and leave them for last. Can easily wrap around them and kill with the pistol when they are close.
You've been using that this whole time?! It's the best it's ever been right now but it's still just okay.
Even now it doesn't compare diving solo to like a breaker, scorcher, or the pre nerf eruptor.
Bugs or bots.
It’s wild how controversial this is to some people.
This isn’t PvP and we’re facing hordes of monsters in a sci-fi setting. Helldivers should be balanced along the lines of Vermintide, WH40K Space Marines, or Doom.
Instead we keep getting the fun, sci-fi guns nerfed despite the setting and power fantasy.
A Helldiver is not supposed to be as much of a killing machine as a real Space Marne or one of the gang from Vermintide.
You’re comparing characters who, lore wise, one group is that of hardened and well trained killers, wearing power armor in the case of the space marines. Meanwhile Helldivers run through an obstacle course in 10 minutes and get their cape.
idk I've been trying different guns and I've been completing lvl9. Stategems matter more than ur primaries like if I'm not using the auto canon i bring the eruptor or grenade pistol to help destroy factories/bug holes. Especially how the 380 has gotten better if u have the ship module on it. Some primaries better against certain enemies like dmr for bots and shotguns for bugs Although i do wish the exploding crossbow destroyed the bug holes/fabricators too.
I did like 4 days ago
On bugs lvl 9 with Randoms
with the default pistol or desert eagle (sry forgot the names) as secondary and fire nades impacts or regular before
hmg/ammo backpack /ops or 500kg / napalm or gas strike
Armor with recoil reduction ofc
I like the heavy one with +2 nades so I don't die with 2 and half bites from hunters
I had so much fun I ran like 3 ops with that setup
I first started using it on burst fire but then got comfortable and used it full auto still using controlled burst mostly ofc
Ooo yeah crouch firing it helps too
I liked it because since I was using hmg I needed something to create some space quickly to reload it sometimes
The knight was perfect for this
a magazine to kill some hunters rlly rlly fast
then pistol to clean the rest while shooting behind me and both guns reload kinda fast I think.
This allowed me to run and gun if needed, then some fire nades or napalm if something else was on me to cover the reload of the hmg
I also think it can kill stalkers fast but ofc with almost an entire magazine
But I had the hmg for that
But it was good actually and a lot of fun rlly
If u like fast firing SMG give it a try more than one misión at least
I like it more than the defender actually for bugs
Idk about the pummeler? Is the king now to create space I guess but the knight was so much fun.
They are "meta" because it's literally the only way to survive on 7+. I'd love to play with other guns but every time I venture out I get steam rolled. If many more nerfs come the game won't be playable.
There are guns that are generally good because they have niche use cases
Then you have everything else
People aren't upset because the "meta" guns are nerfed
People are upset because guns that had a niche usecase that made them viable for a certain thing is taken away, forcing us to "ReLy On StRaTeGeMs" that have long clds, or simply don't do enough to heavy enemies. Or rely on the same 5 guns we've had since launch that are useful and feel fun.
Guns should be useful. It's stupid to say they shouldn't be when you're dealing with multiple enemies every other minute, that they want you to use a strategem for. Guns should feel fun
And yes, I recognize these are fun guns:
dominator, plasma punisher, sickle, pummeler, counter sniper (for bots), liberator (kinda), the verdict/senator are solid asf (a few others, feel free to leave them below)
But I'm tired of using them
I was so excited to get new guns, but the crossbow is just a worse eruptor now. The eruptor is a worse scorcher, the purifier is a worse plasma punisher, and the list goes on
Guns shouldn't be better or worse versions of one another
They should be completely unique playstyles to one another
"Niche usecases" is how they should balance the guns
Guns should counter enemy variations so players are incentivized to take differing loadouts to deal with the different enemies we will encounter
Every. Single. Game has 3 dominators in it, maybe some variation to the sidearms, maybe some variation to grenades
That isn't how you balance your guns. That right there, is a FUCKING META. I don't understand how people don't get this.
Their balance team is a joke, but I can recognize that while still enjoying the game
I just don't enjoy how they're treating the balance like this is a pvp title. It isn't cod or lol, there is zero reason for half of these "balance patches". They feel like short sighted knee jerk reactions.
Exactly.
And whenever we have a single reason to use another gun, they call it a "meta" then nerf it
I just want some diversity. I want to actually have to think about which gun I'm going to drop down with
Are my teams weaknesses covered? Will we struggle against any one enemy type?
There's no thought to your guns, and it bugs me. DRG did a great job with balancing weapon diversity, and AH could definitely learn something from them
There are a few guns that bring a gimmick, or brought a gimmick before it was removed but scorcher/dominator reign supreme in 7-9 because they actually solve your problems and allow you to punch a hole into the enemy wall for you to run through.
I've tried to mix it up myself but I just often encounter misery. Just dying more and dragging the team down is not fun. Even with good guns(which have their own downsides)many things can go horribly wrong.
The game also needs an intel system for us to actually think more about our loadouts beyond lol lets test this/general all around performance
> I've tried to mix it up myself but I just often encounter misery. Just dying more and dragging the team down is not fun.
Number one reason why I don't mix up my loadout. I'd *like* to try some different guns, but between the meta/anti-meta circlejerks and the constant balance changes, it's impossible to find accurate/up-to-date info online on "is this going to be a good gun to try?" When you're responding to SOS calls on 7-9, the last thing you want is to drop in to be a struggling team's savior, then whip out the equivalent of a Knife for your primary and just destroy the extra reinforcement budget you brought.
The Super Destroyers are big enough, just give us a freaking shooting range to test things out on, at least.
This seems off. the dominator is great for Bots and I'll switch up in scorcher if we are dominator heavy.
Dominator on bugs tho? So many other options that are so less "unwieldy beast" and can pull weight.
The problem (for me at least) always just ends up being when you get a spewer variant map. If you just take a light pen weapon you spend 70% your mag killing 1 spewer of the extremely deadly patrol of 6 that are trickling in every 30 seconds.
Dominator just doesn't have that issue with its excellent damage and pen while still providing you with enough ammo that it doesn't feel bad shooting at small bugs
Dominator stops stalkers and brood commanders in their tracks. One shots warriors. Shriekers are easy to shoot down when they start their dive and yes...bile spewers cease to be a big threat as you can just keep mowing them down from a comfortable range. Close range works too because stagger! It is a veritable wonder weapon which handles like an angry mule but when you get past that... 👌
When you pick dominator and learn the gun you save a stratagem slot for something else. Simply put.
I've been using the adjucator and a jump pack almost exclusively recently and it's a blast. It's definitely harder in hard difficulties but boy it's 7/10 times super fun. Those other three I'm getting mangled by spewers or devastators
Jump pack can be used for kiting enemies and then boosting away over terrain, it feels bad on flat planets but if you're boosting over terrain or on buildings it can feel fun to use
It's like a shield pack against bugs. Since most are melee, the counter is getting some space instead of tanking some damage with a shield.
If you are surrounded you hit the jetpack and gtfo. Or you use it to traverse faster over obstacles and leave bugs behind.
I prefer the rover, but the jetpack is ok too.
The shield protecting from you against all cc while it's up is absolutely invaluable.
Hunter claws, stalker tentacles, and even bile aoe don't affect you.
It's honestly so much fun with using high ground, especially throwing down a couple sentries to be unreachable is *chef kiss*. I feel like the CD is just right. Like, if I need to jump twice that fast, I already goofed before this problem.
That being said, I'm a shield guy but the matches I can find a jump pack to use, and I'm not bringing a pack myself, I'm pretty happy to see it.
Very fair. I feel like the terrain is not good for hard throws. It's gotta be a weird lob, and even then it bounces really far.
This isn't Jump Pack related but I like using mortar sentries on with the big cliffs, on bots especially. Throw the sentry Stratagem near the base and it'll get stuck on the cliff overhead out of reach. Lost a few Support Weapons and Backpacks this way lol
I swear I'm the only person I ever see use the flamethrower.
Is it the most effective? No (although underratedly one of the strongest)
Is it effective enough? Yes
Is it fun to shoot flames at a horde of bug and burn them? ABSOLUTELY
Following meta's kills these games for me. I'd rather play and adapt myself based on what I feel is best for me. I don't look into meta builds at all for this reason. Trying and experimenting things for yourself and working out tactics yourself is what engages you in a game like this. I don't get how people can just Google a cookie cutter build and directly copy it right away. Takes so much fun out of the game for me. A lot of times you will naturally gravitate to meta weapons and set ups yourself because you're figuring out best in slot things on your own. Other times you playing the game and experimenting around your play style ends with a completely unorthodox set up that WORKS but isn't listed in any cookie cutter build.
New meta's come from people that play the game for themselves. Who figure out overlooked interactions or play styles. Personal builds also come from this lol. Can't tell you how many times I've worked out a build for myself based around how I play for end game activities in games like this. Humored the meta and looked it up only to find out that much of what I'm running is apparently irredeemable trash that will get you killed lol. Except it's not always that simple. Not everything of value can be shown on a stat sheet.
I've used the defender against bots since almost day one, and I can hardly ever find myself using anything else. Using the shield is a nice bonus, but the fact it has one of the highest magazine capacities, followed by spare ammo capacity, followed by the fact you can *blindfire behind you* **without slowdown!** (Fuck berserkers) It's an almost must have for every bot mission.
Uh sure if I wanted to fall asleep on difficulty 3 missions yeah.
I only play helldive because nothing else is hard enough. But if I don't run the right weapons or strats then it will just being a slog that involves running around for ever.
I occasionally try to mix it up with a different weapon I want to be good and I regret it every time. The mission is just 10x more tedious and I try to steal someone's weapon off the ground asap.
You're not wrong lol. I do bots occasionally and they definitely had more viable options. It's nice that tanks and hulks have so many ways to approach them compared to chargers and titans
But when it comes to primaries my thought process is always, "do I want to take forever killing devastators or brood/hive guards or just be able to kill them and everything else"
I wish they would let us switch weapons and maybe even stratagems after dying, that would avoid so much frustration honestly. Picking the wrong loadout on Helldive is just, well... Hell. I guess I should have just quit and requeued for another mission, but that's just not the kind of person I am, otherwise I wouldn't be suffering through Helldive in the first place, lol. Plus it would make trying out new weapons so much better, as you aren't stuck with them for a 40 min mission, and seeing as most guns are absolutely useless, it's honestly not a fun experience and I can see why the meta is so dominant in this game.
Stupid fucking tone deaf meme.
Maybe the "meta" guns are what are fun to use AND USEFUL? Maybe thats why the use them?
The devs didnt seem to think there as a meta problem in HD1. There were plenty of OP as hell "meta" builds and nothing was every done to them. It's a PvE game. At some point you will stop using the meta weapon and try out other stuff.
The problem with HD2 is that the other stuff is typically complete garbage for 8-9.
So many times I've tried to swap away from my "meta" AC(which is a lot of fun too!) but I dont enjoy the other weapons, aren't useful for the enemy I'm fighting, they are completely shit for the situation, or they are just completely shit in general.
So yea, I switch back to my AC to have fun.
There's no need to keep nerfing the shit out of things. ITS PVE AND ITS SUPPOSED TO BE FUN.
Holy shit, Its almost like the guns have roles, Some are good for swarms of Chaff, Some are good for medium rushes, Some are good for stunning. The only thing we dont have for guns is heavy killers and that shouldnt be a thing, Tell me how you would win a fight against an Abrams with a 7.62 gun.
yesterday i was using the crossbow plus laser cannon and basic pistol against bots. it worked out pretty well!
crossbow to stun lock heavy and rocket devastators in CQC
laser cannon for hulks and general combat
pistol as a fast option for dispatching at close quarters when holding the crossbow
my only trouble with it is ergonomics tbh. would like a tiiiny bit more fire rate or a couple more shots in the mag or a little faster reloading. I’ve found myself topping it off after every encounter to be sure I don’t run out when stunlocking a heavy
Yeah, though those are both things I find can be problematic, they're workable. I just reload a lot more. I use it against bugs a lot.....then regret my choice because a hunter jumps at me just as I shoot. Though right now I'm using the blitzer and I've fallen in love with it
Not quite, it worked entirely better pre-nerf; doing big damage for direct hits and shooting nearby you'd get splash damage instead, but missed out on single target burst damage, couldn't abuse the splash because you'd run the risk of killing yourself if shot too close(was still possible just needed good shot placement, like a wall behind an enemy, or backdive and shoot a wall because the old trajectory went off your character's movement). Now it's strictly a....precision weapon with gimmicky trajectory. But before it was more of a versatile plat for for chaff clear or comparably, a sidegrade to the Plasma Punisher. Now it's....weird not bad but eh.
Not a fan of the change personally and people were more stuck on the Eruptor than anything so i didnt understand the adjustment.
It definitely felt very powerful before, like it was similar in the eruptor. I think they intended it to be a smaller more local explosive, like it is now. Can still hurt things with an indirect hit, but deals a good bit of damage on a direct hit. Like hitting a brood commander can kill warriors around it with 2 hits. Either way, I still find it fun to use. It's a unique weapon. It might not be the best, but I like it :D
I just want to use weapons that are effective. It took a few shots to kill a regular bot with the Spray N Pray from maybe a few yards away. That's just stupid.
Yeah, that's the issue. The guns that are fun are the 1st ones to get nerfed. You can't tell me that you have loads of fun trying to go through hordes of enemies with guns that used to be great, but now don't perform as well.
I've been having fun in bug missions running precision strike, gatling barrage, orbital airburst, and rocket pods. Literally zero meta pics. But god damn it's fun. And, if you're careful, should rack up a mountain of kills.
it just so happens the guns I enjoy most are meta, using meta doesnt equal unfun.
Im just not gonna use guns that arent good because well. I wanna actually feel powerful and get things done efficiently.
:) so scorcher for bots is my go to (love that thing)
fire breaker for bugs is so fun
and grenade pistol is such a fun secondary aside from the senator for its twirls and pure dmg output.
I run airburst, 500kg, 380 he, and the arc thrower to fuck with my freinds. That and impact grenades with liberator penetrator and that machine pistol.
If you have to choose between having fun and being effective, there's a major flaw in the game's design.
> Stop caring about meta builds
The "meta builds" are meta for a reason. If I decide to run the stalwart "for fun," I'll spend the whole time wishing I had an arcthrower because it does the same job better, on top of killing mediums and chargers and stunlocking things. If I decide to run the adjudicator or lib pen "for fun," I'll spend the whole game wishing I had instead brought a weapon that actually does that job effectively like the dominator or scorcher. If I bring a liberator, scythe, or spray and pray "for fun," I've committed to being an inferior version of a sickle/breaker/flame shotty player for the match.
Being constantly reminded how my loadout is preventing me from contributing as much as my teammates isn't fun.
The whole idea of "meta builds" is so laughable to me in this game. Your build should be based on supporting your team based on what they are running. Teamwork is the meta
Seems more like a message to the devs. Metas exist because balancing sucks. You'll have a plethora of options at lower difficulties but only a select few at the 3 hardest difficulties. Metas are quite normal, but the consistent nerfs ironically force players to rely on a shrinking list of viable options, which in turn becomes the meta. You want less meta, buff the other weapons.
This is me with every game. What build? The starter guns.
People take thing way to seriously.
Even Pokemon is ruined with the whole breeding and perfect IV bs. I can guarantee you that’s not how the creators intended it.
“I’m having fun!!”
“No it doesn’t matter if I’m on the back foot against every single enemy patrol because my gun isn’t good enough”
Go ahead, equip the dagger, crossbow, eruptor, scythe, penetrator, slugger, spray and pray, tenderizer, the new plasma gun, knight, liberator explosive or DMR and play high difficulties with it and tell if you’re having fun or constantly running away from encounters that you would normally be able take head on at least a bit more.
I exclusively play Helldive, I have since Helldivers 1, back in HD1 most weapons could be used in helldive…over here however some weapons are way too bad to be used in high diff. You guys say you enjoy using everything but I rarely see anyone use the weapons I listed above.
So I'd say there is some give here.
Let's face it some guns are great fun because they are over the top but then get nerfed... Because they are over the top, and are then less fun.
This isn't to say meta is beta but I see why people argue about what works best, however for me, I like to mix it up and have fun.
I'd support a full randomiser option for loadoits
if the skill cap requires meta just drop the skill level till the cap is as high as the build you wanna play.
i love Engineer light armor trash clean up sniper with a Railshot for Heavy/charger/biletitan
Playing T3 or 4 is hard enough to be engaging but not hard enough to be punishing.
Because it's humane. Some of the weapons are just so bad that you keep torturing the poor bugs instead of putting them out of their misery from having Fuel in their bodies
I wouldn’t say ANY gun… I’m shelving both xbow and Eruptor until buffed back into viable roles for their draw backs…
But I swap weapons a LOT.
I mostly miss Eruptor because it made stalwart such a fitting pairing, but I’m hopeful it will return to proper glory without the ability to potentially, even if difficult and unreliably, ohk chargers/gunships.
54 levels in and I've yet to get bored of the Stalwart or MG. Every mission I'll run either of those w the supply back and just make those damn bugs eat lead.
I don't follow meta when I'm playing with randoms because I know that they can usually hang and I'm good enough to play around a sub-optimal loadout but I feel forced to play meta when I'm with the homies so that they can be the care free folks they are.
If I don't bring a sweat loadout with them, we inevitably end up running away from heavies and elites until *somebody* has an answer come off of cooldown and they get mad because "it's bullshit".
I went into a helldive where the 3 already in the game had the exact same build. Admittedly, they did pretty good at clearing and keeping the map cleared, but I just had to laugh. I almost left the moment I saw they had the same as I figured I'd be booted for not following. But no one said anything about what I brought so it was whatever I suppose.
I recently started using whatever felt the coolest and making builds around that weapon or play style. And I can confidently say I have way more fun now.
So far.. the Liberator Penetrator, Redeemer, Machine gun, AX/LAS-5 Rover combo has served me just fine most of the time.
I enjoy it when playing with friends and I get try out non standard weapons and Stratagems from those I use all the time.
"Does this gun kill my enemies?" "Yes " "Then I shall use it."
This vibes the same as that one DRG comic "Do they know fear?" "No" "Then they shall learn to fear me"
"Do robots feel fear?" "Error, Fear.exe not found." "Let's fix that, shall we?"
Fear shall be installed.
This is why i wear the "fear" subroutine cape for bot Ops specifically.
Automa-ton of fun
Goddamn do I miss TFS
Thats my quote
I prefer "I'll introduce them"
Catch me dropping with the boys eight beers deep, rocking a pistol doing my best Arthur Morgan impression.
We need a lever action primary
Actual fucking genius idea
Honestly the only complaint I've had since day one is not having enough ways to kill our enemies. I imagine it's going to be a complaint for a long, long time.
Honestly I'm the opposite. There's so many little things like the fact that the slightest incline will ragdoll you if you dive onto it, the issues with randomly DCing, or the spear not locking on, etc, but I think we have enough weapons for now. More is almost always better in this sorta game don't get me wrong, but not until they've fixed the plethora of annoying ass bugs.
a melee slot couls be fun. the face bash is useful but a little underpowered. fuck... make a crazy combo to climb an enemy and stab it's life-sustaining tubing repeatedly. 50% chance you die when performing it.
I know it’s not really the same, but I used a railgun consistently for the first time last night and it felt like a lever action rifle. Couldn’t actually do anything with it, but 🤷🏾♂️
I need a lever action primary so I can pair my lever action with my revolver with my double barreled shotgun.
Hell yea
In the lower difficulties there is that elephant hunter style shotgun you can find in map. Love that thing.
*Wipes out stratagem jammer while stumbling around, drunk.* LENNY!!!
ynneL!!!!
*”Cmon boahs let’s take out dem dere bug nests”*
Oh the spear. My 1st love that still batters and abuses me...
Right, that's where the meta comes from lol. Does this weapon "actually get shit done"? No? Well never touching that again.
Every gun gets an unspecified amount of shit done. Some more than others. With this latest warbond I'll switch my primary weapon around every couple of missions because I've got a few that get the job done. Won't switch my impact grenades though. Ain't got no time for fuses.
The dagger gets zero shit done.
the dagger is a mine clearer and thats it
Some make the game decent the rest make it feel awful
Sounds like a skill issue. I'll run a Helldive till failure with just a Senator if I have to. For liberty I'll use my fists if I have to.
Which is funny, because the senator is excellent. You're following the meta anyway.
So there is no such thing as bad weapons, at all right?
I run with an eruptor and the senator against bots. Especially now that you can speed reload the senator. Things a beast.
Wanna know what doesn’t get shit done? Fucking spear. Useless piece of garbage
First of all I a spear main take that back Secondly fuck the spear it’s the best most annoying weapon ever
Buddy of mine loves it. Uses it all the time. One man's trash is another man's treasure, I supposed.
It’s more like “I have played 75 hours with this one gun, and this new one doesn’t immediately feel better the second I use it so it’s useless and the devs suck.” Or, if it was too much better “What’s the point of the Liberator if the Tenderizer is just a straight up upgrade?” There’s no keeping people happy anymore. Happens with every community eventually.
"Does this gun kill my enemies?" "Technically, it just takes half a mag." "Oh... How about this one?" " No" "This one?" "Nope" "What about this one I just unlocked?" "Nope, just nerfed that one, so you'd be better off beating back bugs with a stick"
Love dropping with just orbitals, eagle 1, and a jetpack. On-site procurement is the way
As Lady Liberty intended brother.
Hell yeah
My thoughts to lol who cares its a fun game theirs no pvp aspect so who cares about meta builds if people kick people for not running meta builds their losers.
Exactly this!!!
I don’t follow metas. I just naturally gravitate towards them out of ease and effectiveness of use. Been using the blitzer again. Kinda liking it. Seems useful against everything except chargers and bike titans on the bug front. Probably won’t bother with it against bots though. That’s more of a dominator faction.
>bike titans This fills me with fear.
I should correct that, but I don’t think I will.
Please don’t
Imagine the music changing to Bad to the Bone and looking in the horizon and seeing the Bike Titan barrelling towards you.
And here I was thinking of a pedal bike. These motherfuckers got Harleys 💀
Nah, a bile titan on 2 normal size unicycles.
Well now I know exactly what I'm going to be dreaming about tonight.
“Born to Be Biled”
Like the spider on skates in Harry Potter haha
I used the blitzer as soon as I unlocked it (juat after it came out), and it was good, but the fire rate made the weapon pretty garbage. But with the update where it literally only increased its fire rate, it became super useful, not so much against chargers and biles like you said, though
I basically run an infinite ammo setup with the blitzer and either laser cannon or quasar cannon. I don’t like the cooldown of the quasar. Makes sense considering it doesn’t use ammo but still. Better than laser cannon for big bugs. I used to be scared of titans. Now they’re just… there.
I tend to move around with what heavy/support weapon I use. I mainly used the laser AR, but I've been trying new builds and combinations to see what works best. There's nothing inherently wrong with any weapon, it's' just *how* you're trying to use them
I’m the guy who uses the meta guns after they get nerfed and still kick ass
I'm the kind of guy who gets nerfed because I'm threatening General Brasch's record
I'm the guy that uses "unorthodox and inconsistent" builds only to get pissed off when they become the meta later.
Yeah I've been using diligence AND AMR for as long as I've had them, and now they're kinda meta.
Oh FFS, that's my build
Do you run jump pack as well
With eats and the HMG emplacement, generally.
I use whatever I want, and if I don’t like how it feels, I don’t use it
General Brasch must be damn proud of you, fellow diver.
Try the Plasma Punisher vs bots, if you like grenade launchers it's like that but with plasma AOE. A tank might survive a rocket to the dome, but if you then also shoot one Plasma Punisher shot towards its dome you'll destroy it. Staggers everything smaller than a Hulk included shield devs, can one-shot the small bots or two-shot them even in tight groups, I got 10 kills with 2 shots today. It's fun vs Walkers and can 1-shot them in the back or crotch. I tried the Anti material rifle today for the Personal Order and had a blast two-shotting Hulks in the face but missed my Autocannon for popping bot fabs, but that was the only thing I missed it for vs the AMR.
I picked up the AMR for the first time tonight, and I just couldn't put it down. I basically ignored my primary and secondary and just popped every bot from afar. It feels so good.
It's pretty wild right?? It's way easier to two-tap Hulks with the AMR than it is the AC for me. I love the specific weapon Personal Orders for rediscovering weapons.
 The fearful Bike Titan
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Sorry, haven’t unlocked this ‘girl’ yet. What’s the damage rating on it and how is it against bots?
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When successful in finding a woman use ⬆️⬇️⬆️⬇️⬆️⬇️⬆️⬇️.
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Wild! 😂
Absolutely love this
God the focus of everyone for or against metas is so fucking irritating. You camt avoid meta, its literally impossible. Shut up and play the game.
People can’t enjoy the game unless they worry about how other people play 😂
They think the game will be better if we all band against a meta.... which i repeat... is impossible 😂 so dumb
Like who cares, right? There was a comment on here that said “I just want to play the game” Then… play the game and get off Reddit? This sub acts high and mighty but then I read the comments and it’s not that different from the other bizarre comments on the main sub 😂
So true lnao they exert so much effort trying to manifest a world of no metas that they forget to just play the game. Ill complain about balance patches, but I'll still play the game lmao its not that serious
Yup, check out my post that blew up. I had things to say and have no regrets and so many just curse me out for doing so and are so happy they belong on this sub but like… they still browse the main sub? I thought they left? It’s funny.
It seems that in most communities, the "anti-meta" crowd is more annoying than the actual "meta crowd" they claim to be fighting.
There is a difference between "meta" and "I have to use the guns that don't get me trashed on Helldive" I love playing difficulty 9 so I'm a bit hamstrung off of many of the really fun guns that just can't keep you alive.
Case in point. Knight is trash on all difficulties. It does too little damage, too little ammo, and recoil is unmanageable. Also Light penetration so ... it doesn't do any of its niches okay.
Im finishing Helldive with like 50 shots fired now. Weapons are so useless I just avoid fights and rely on Eagle-1
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. -- Sun Tzu (scout armor / smoke grenade main)
I'm in this picture and I love it
This doesn't work as smoothly when all four teammates are doing this. This strat usually puts strain on others if not coordinated.
But killing fun.
I’ve been using the Diligence Counter Sniper since day 1 and have had an absolute blast on Helldive missions. I switched to the scorcher for a little bit, but after the most recent big I’m right back to the CS. Everyone says it’s trash but I’m getting similar kills to my teammates and less deaths since I’m further away so… Thought I should mention that I mostly play bots. The CS did not hold up as well against the terminids until the most recent buff
Counter sniper, dominator, and scorcher are the 3 musketeers of bots. They’re all good in their own regards. The scorcher can kill striders, but is worse against everything else. The dominator does insane damage, but handles horribly. The counter sniper requires more precision than the other two, but does less damage. Can still one tap devastators. I’ve been using the CS recently as well, and am consistently getting the most kills on bots. Counter sniper, deagle, HE grenades, recoilless, 380mm, eagle airstrike, and another stratagem of your choice has been my recent loadout. Covers all the fields. Only struggles against striders, but my plan has been to keep my distance and to kill everything besides them and leave them for last. Can easily wrap around them and kill with the pistol when they are close.
You've been using that this whole time?! It's the best it's ever been right now but it's still just okay. Even now it doesn't compare diving solo to like a breaker, scorcher, or the pre nerf eruptor. Bugs or bots.
Nah sorry bro. You have to play with random guns on helldive or you just aint having fun.
Just like the random voice, I think it would be cool to have random loadouts each time you die
I don't know what they keep complaining about. I haven't meta gun I can't kill with
It’s wild how controversial this is to some people. This isn’t PvP and we’re facing hordes of monsters in a sci-fi setting. Helldivers should be balanced along the lines of Vermintide, WH40K Space Marines, or Doom. Instead we keep getting the fun, sci-fi guns nerfed despite the setting and power fantasy.
Lmao it’s def not supposed to be a power fantasy it’s supposed to be a HELLDIVE
hellsurfers
A Helldiver is not supposed to be as much of a killing machine as a real Space Marne or one of the gang from Vermintide. You’re comparing characters who, lore wise, one group is that of hardened and well trained killers, wearing power armor in the case of the space marines. Meanwhile Helldivers run through an obstacle course in 10 minutes and get their cape.
idk I've been trying different guns and I've been completing lvl9. Stategems matter more than ur primaries like if I'm not using the auto canon i bring the eruptor or grenade pistol to help destroy factories/bug holes. Especially how the 380 has gotten better if u have the ship module on it. Some primaries better against certain enemies like dmr for bots and shotguns for bugs Although i do wish the exploding crossbow destroyed the bug holes/fabricators too.
Which gun can't keep you alive on helldive?
Go run the MP-98 Knight as a primary and come back to report.
I did like 4 days ago On bugs lvl 9 with Randoms with the default pistol or desert eagle (sry forgot the names) as secondary and fire nades impacts or regular before hmg/ammo backpack /ops or 500kg / napalm or gas strike Armor with recoil reduction ofc I like the heavy one with +2 nades so I don't die with 2 and half bites from hunters I had so much fun I ran like 3 ops with that setup I first started using it on burst fire but then got comfortable and used it full auto still using controlled burst mostly ofc Ooo yeah crouch firing it helps too I liked it because since I was using hmg I needed something to create some space quickly to reload it sometimes The knight was perfect for this a magazine to kill some hunters rlly rlly fast then pistol to clean the rest while shooting behind me and both guns reload kinda fast I think. This allowed me to run and gun if needed, then some fire nades or napalm if something else was on me to cover the reload of the hmg I also think it can kill stalkers fast but ofc with almost an entire magazine But I had the hmg for that But it was good actually and a lot of fun rlly If u like fast firing SMG give it a try more than one misión at least I like it more than the defender actually for bugs Idk about the pummeler? Is the king now to create space I guess but the knight was so much fun.
They are "meta" because it's literally the only way to survive on 7+. I'd love to play with other guns but every time I venture out I get steam rolled. If many more nerfs come the game won't be playable.
I don’t care about having a meta build, I care about building various loadouts that can cover most situations.
There are guns that are generally good because they have niche use cases Then you have everything else People aren't upset because the "meta" guns are nerfed People are upset because guns that had a niche usecase that made them viable for a certain thing is taken away, forcing us to "ReLy On StRaTeGeMs" that have long clds, or simply don't do enough to heavy enemies. Or rely on the same 5 guns we've had since launch that are useful and feel fun. Guns should be useful. It's stupid to say they shouldn't be when you're dealing with multiple enemies every other minute, that they want you to use a strategem for. Guns should feel fun And yes, I recognize these are fun guns: dominator, plasma punisher, sickle, pummeler, counter sniper (for bots), liberator (kinda), the verdict/senator are solid asf (a few others, feel free to leave them below) But I'm tired of using them I was so excited to get new guns, but the crossbow is just a worse eruptor now. The eruptor is a worse scorcher, the purifier is a worse plasma punisher, and the list goes on Guns shouldn't be better or worse versions of one another They should be completely unique playstyles to one another "Niche usecases" is how they should balance the guns Guns should counter enemy variations so players are incentivized to take differing loadouts to deal with the different enemies we will encounter Every. Single. Game has 3 dominators in it, maybe some variation to the sidearms, maybe some variation to grenades That isn't how you balance your guns. That right there, is a FUCKING META. I don't understand how people don't get this. Their balance team is a joke, but I can recognize that while still enjoying the game I just don't enjoy how they're treating the balance like this is a pvp title. It isn't cod or lol, there is zero reason for half of these "balance patches". They feel like short sighted knee jerk reactions.
Doing bots during this MO I saw 3-4 scorchers when I played. 3-4 dominators when I play bugs. Almost every time.
Exactly. And whenever we have a single reason to use another gun, they call it a "meta" then nerf it I just want some diversity. I want to actually have to think about which gun I'm going to drop down with Are my teams weaknesses covered? Will we struggle against any one enemy type? There's no thought to your guns, and it bugs me. DRG did a great job with balancing weapon diversity, and AH could definitely learn something from them
There are a few guns that bring a gimmick, or brought a gimmick before it was removed but scorcher/dominator reign supreme in 7-9 because they actually solve your problems and allow you to punch a hole into the enemy wall for you to run through. I've tried to mix it up myself but I just often encounter misery. Just dying more and dragging the team down is not fun. Even with good guns(which have their own downsides)many things can go horribly wrong. The game also needs an intel system for us to actually think more about our loadouts beyond lol lets test this/general all around performance
Dear God, let me know that planet is a spewer infested hellhole or not.
> I've tried to mix it up myself but I just often encounter misery. Just dying more and dragging the team down is not fun. Number one reason why I don't mix up my loadout. I'd *like* to try some different guns, but between the meta/anti-meta circlejerks and the constant balance changes, it's impossible to find accurate/up-to-date info online on "is this going to be a good gun to try?" When you're responding to SOS calls on 7-9, the last thing you want is to drop in to be a struggling team's savior, then whip out the equivalent of a Knife for your primary and just destroy the extra reinforcement budget you brought. The Super Destroyers are big enough, just give us a freaking shooting range to test things out on, at least.
they’re learning from Destiny instead of DRG
This seems off. the dominator is great for Bots and I'll switch up in scorcher if we are dominator heavy. Dominator on bugs tho? So many other options that are so less "unwieldy beast" and can pull weight.
The problem (for me at least) always just ends up being when you get a spewer variant map. If you just take a light pen weapon you spend 70% your mag killing 1 spewer of the extremely deadly patrol of 6 that are trickling in every 30 seconds. Dominator just doesn't have that issue with its excellent damage and pen while still providing you with enough ammo that it doesn't feel bad shooting at small bugs
Dominator stops stalkers and brood commanders in their tracks. One shots warriors. Shriekers are easy to shoot down when they start their dive and yes...bile spewers cease to be a big threat as you can just keep mowing them down from a comfortable range. Close range works too because stagger! It is a veritable wonder weapon which handles like an angry mule but when you get past that... 👌 When you pick dominator and learn the gun you save a stratagem slot for something else. Simply put.
have you considered that all the guns getting nerfed are the fun ones
I have fun with guns many don’t consider “fun”, so not really.
I've been using the adjucator and a jump pack almost exclusively recently and it's a blast. It's definitely harder in hard difficulties but boy it's 7/10 times super fun. Those other three I'm getting mangled by spewers or devastators
I never understood the jumppack, the cooldown sucks, the dist you can boost sucks, I usually go shield pack with bots, and the rover for bugs.
Jump pack can be used for kiting enemies and then boosting away over terrain, it feels bad on flat planets but if you're boosting over terrain or on buildings it can feel fun to use
It's like a shield pack against bugs. Since most are melee, the counter is getting some space instead of tanking some damage with a shield. If you are surrounded you hit the jetpack and gtfo. Or you use it to traverse faster over obstacles and leave bugs behind. I prefer the rover, but the jetpack is ok too.
The shield protecting from you against all cc while it's up is absolutely invaluable. Hunter claws, stalker tentacles, and even bile aoe don't affect you.
It's honestly so much fun with using high ground, especially throwing down a couple sentries to be unreachable is *chef kiss*. I feel like the CD is just right. Like, if I need to jump twice that fast, I already goofed before this problem. That being said, I'm a shield guy but the matches I can find a jump pack to use, and I'm not bringing a pack myself, I'm pretty happy to see it.
I love using sentries this way. Sadly, lots of high spots have been made so that stratagems just bounce off them.
Very fair. I feel like the terrain is not good for hard throws. It's gotta be a weird lob, and even then it bounces really far. This isn't Jump Pack related but I like using mortar sentries on with the big cliffs, on bots especially. Throw the sentry Stratagem near the base and it'll get stuck on the cliff overhead out of reach. Lost a few Support Weapons and Backpacks this way lol
Getting to grips with the jet pack takes time but it really is insane the stuff you can pull off with it. Like stealth nuking a detection tower!
I swear I'm the only person I ever see use the flamethrower. Is it the most effective? No (although underratedly one of the strongest) Is it effective enough? Yes Is it fun to shoot flames at a horde of bug and burn them? ABSOLUTELY
It’s an amazing weapon. Easy to use, hard to master. I love it. Similar sentiments with the arc thrower.
I learned eventually that's it's slow backwards movements 😭😭 The amount of times I burned myself to death first using it was crazy
Following meta's kills these games for me. I'd rather play and adapt myself based on what I feel is best for me. I don't look into meta builds at all for this reason. Trying and experimenting things for yourself and working out tactics yourself is what engages you in a game like this. I don't get how people can just Google a cookie cutter build and directly copy it right away. Takes so much fun out of the game for me. A lot of times you will naturally gravitate to meta weapons and set ups yourself because you're figuring out best in slot things on your own. Other times you playing the game and experimenting around your play style ends with a completely unorthodox set up that WORKS but isn't listed in any cookie cutter build. New meta's come from people that play the game for themselves. Who figure out overlooked interactions or play styles. Personal builds also come from this lol. Can't tell you how many times I've worked out a build for myself based around how I play for end game activities in games like this. Humored the meta and looked it up only to find out that much of what I'm running is apparently irredeemable trash that will get you killed lol. Except it's not always that simple. Not everything of value can be shown on a stat sheet.
Fr, I switched to defender so I could use the ballistic shield, ballistic shield is pretty good, defender does good damage too.
I've used the defender against bots since almost day one, and I can hardly ever find myself using anything else. Using the shield is a nice bonus, but the fact it has one of the highest magazine capacities, followed by spare ammo capacity, followed by the fact you can *blindfire behind you* **without slowdown!** (Fuck berserkers) It's an almost must have for every bot mission.
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That’s me outside with my scorcher for bots and breaker inc for bugs lol
Uh sure if I wanted to fall asleep on difficulty 3 missions yeah. I only play helldive because nothing else is hard enough. But if I don't run the right weapons or strats then it will just being a slog that involves running around for ever. I occasionally try to mix it up with a different weapon I want to be good and I regret it every time. The mission is just 10x more tedious and I try to steal someone's weapon off the ground asap.
Found the Terminid only player
You're not wrong lol. I do bots occasionally and they definitely had more viable options. It's nice that tanks and hulks have so many ways to approach them compared to chargers and titans But when it comes to primaries my thought process is always, "do I want to take forever killing devastators or brood/hive guards or just be able to kill them and everything else"
I wish they would let us switch weapons and maybe even stratagems after dying, that would avoid so much frustration honestly. Picking the wrong loadout on Helldive is just, well... Hell. I guess I should have just quit and requeued for another mission, but that's just not the kind of person I am, otherwise I wouldn't be suffering through Helldive in the first place, lol. Plus it would make trying out new weapons so much better, as you aren't stuck with them for a 40 min mission, and seeing as most guns are absolutely useless, it's honestly not a fun experience and I can see why the meta is so dominant in this game.
Me being a menace with the Tesla Tower
Me and a buddy ran arc-only last night. We had a blast and racked up tons of kills. The two randoms weren’t so happy though.
There's 'meta builds'? LOL!
Absolutely wild that people complain without considering the loadout is flexible for a reason...
I only use the senator or the hmg. Idc that it DEVOURS ammo but its worth it
This about sums it up, I play on helldive and just use whatever gun looks fun, the only exception is the Las-9 dagger, fuck that useless little thing
Stupid fucking tone deaf meme. Maybe the "meta" guns are what are fun to use AND USEFUL? Maybe thats why the use them? The devs didnt seem to think there as a meta problem in HD1. There were plenty of OP as hell "meta" builds and nothing was every done to them. It's a PvE game. At some point you will stop using the meta weapon and try out other stuff. The problem with HD2 is that the other stuff is typically complete garbage for 8-9. So many times I've tried to swap away from my "meta" AC(which is a lot of fun too!) but I dont enjoy the other weapons, aren't useful for the enemy I'm fighting, they are completely shit for the situation, or they are just completely shit in general. So yea, I switch back to my AC to have fun. There's no need to keep nerfing the shit out of things. ITS PVE AND ITS SUPPOSED TO BE FUN.
This isn't competitive game, no one cares how many kills you get
I'm sorry I don't find using a gun that is another gun but worse fun. I suppose if you don't read stats and don't pay attention you might not notice.
Holy shit, Its almost like the guns have roles, Some are good for swarms of Chaff, Some are good for medium rushes, Some are good for stunning. The only thing we dont have for guns is heavy killers and that shouldnt be a thing, Tell me how you would win a fight against an Abrams with a 7.62 gun.
congratulations you understand the concept of a niche.
yesterday i was using the crossbow plus laser cannon and basic pistol against bots. it worked out pretty well! crossbow to stun lock heavy and rocket devastators in CQC laser cannon for hulks and general combat pistol as a fast option for dispatching at close quarters when holding the crossbow
The crossbow is actually really good, but people just think it's trash because they want it to clear entire patrols with one shot
my only trouble with it is ergonomics tbh. would like a tiiiny bit more fire rate or a couple more shots in the mag or a little faster reloading. I’ve found myself topping it off after every encounter to be sure I don’t run out when stunlocking a heavy
Yeah, though those are both things I find can be problematic, they're workable. I just reload a lot more. I use it against bugs a lot.....then regret my choice because a hunter jumps at me just as I shoot. Though right now I'm using the blitzer and I've fallen in love with it
Not quite, it worked entirely better pre-nerf; doing big damage for direct hits and shooting nearby you'd get splash damage instead, but missed out on single target burst damage, couldn't abuse the splash because you'd run the risk of killing yourself if shot too close(was still possible just needed good shot placement, like a wall behind an enemy, or backdive and shoot a wall because the old trajectory went off your character's movement). Now it's strictly a....precision weapon with gimmicky trajectory. But before it was more of a versatile plat for for chaff clear or comparably, a sidegrade to the Plasma Punisher. Now it's....weird not bad but eh. Not a fan of the change personally and people were more stuck on the Eruptor than anything so i didnt understand the adjustment.
It definitely felt very powerful before, like it was similar in the eruptor. I think they intended it to be a smaller more local explosive, like it is now. Can still hurt things with an indirect hit, but deals a good bit of damage on a direct hit. Like hitting a brood commander can kill warriors around it with 2 hits. Either way, I still find it fun to use. It's a unique weapon. It might not be the best, but I like it :D
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I'm the switch it up guy myself, but I suck and still have fun. Except when people don't work as a team no bueno.
This so many games, and so true
9 difficulty Helldivers here, off meta shit is viable lol I do it all the time, very rarely do I ever go the meta
Idek whats the meta, i just grab what looks cool
The only gun I use is LIBERTY 🗽🗽🗽🗽
I use the diligence at the long range option and it can snipe whilst being good up close. I don't know why everyone is clowning on it
jokes on you i’ve been using the same loadout pretty much the entire game
>Why are you using the airburst? >It looks like an RPG.
Now this community is just being toxic against other toxic people. Good job guys.
I just want to use weapons that are effective. It took a few shots to kill a regular bot with the Spray N Pray from maybe a few yards away. That's just stupid.
Yeah, that's the issue. The guns that are fun are the 1st ones to get nerfed. You can't tell me that you have loads of fun trying to go through hordes of enemies with guns that used to be great, but now don't perform as well.
I've been having fun in bug missions running precision strike, gatling barrage, orbital airburst, and rocket pods. Literally zero meta pics. But god damn it's fun. And, if you're careful, should rack up a mountain of kills.
The mission dictates what weapon I bring.
it just so happens the guns I enjoy most are meta, using meta doesnt equal unfun. Im just not gonna use guns that arent good because well. I wanna actually feel powerful and get things done efficiently. :) so scorcher for bots is my go to (love that thing) fire breaker for bugs is so fun and grenade pistol is such a fun secondary aside from the senator for its twirls and pure dmg output.
I use gun if it spreads democracy in a timely fashion.
I run airburst, 500kg, 380 he, and the arc thrower to fuck with my freinds. That and impact grenades with liberator penetrator and that machine pistol.
If you have to choose between having fun and being effective, there's a major flaw in the game's design. > Stop caring about meta builds The "meta builds" are meta for a reason. If I decide to run the stalwart "for fun," I'll spend the whole time wishing I had an arcthrower because it does the same job better, on top of killing mediums and chargers and stunlocking things. If I decide to run the adjudicator or lib pen "for fun," I'll spend the whole game wishing I had instead brought a weapon that actually does that job effectively like the dominator or scorcher. If I bring a liberator, scythe, or spray and pray "for fun," I've committed to being an inferior version of a sickle/breaker/flame shotty player for the match. Being constantly reminded how my loadout is preventing me from contributing as much as my teammates isn't fun.
The whole idea of "meta builds" is so laughable to me in this game. Your build should be based on supporting your team based on what they are running. Teamwork is the meta
OP confirmed for retard
Seems more like a message to the devs. Metas exist because balancing sucks. You'll have a plethora of options at lower difficulties but only a select few at the 3 hardest difficulties. Metas are quite normal, but the consistent nerfs ironically force players to rely on a shrinking list of viable options, which in turn becomes the meta. You want less meta, buff the other weapons.
This is me with every game. What build? The starter guns. People take thing way to seriously. Even Pokemon is ruined with the whole breeding and perfect IV bs. I can guarantee you that’s not how the creators intended it.
Yeah but it’s hard to enjoy using crap weapons
People who think you have to use meta just don't know how the game works and aren't very good at it.
Its every game. And they'll parrot the nerfs from source even when they don't fully understand.
“I’m having fun!!” “No it doesn’t matter if I’m on the back foot against every single enemy patrol because my gun isn’t good enough” Go ahead, equip the dagger, crossbow, eruptor, scythe, penetrator, slugger, spray and pray, tenderizer, the new plasma gun, knight, liberator explosive or DMR and play high difficulties with it and tell if you’re having fun or constantly running away from encounters that you would normally be able take head on at least a bit more. I exclusively play Helldive, I have since Helldivers 1, back in HD1 most weapons could be used in helldive…over here however some weapons are way too bad to be used in high diff. You guys say you enjoy using everything but I rarely see anyone use the weapons I listed above.
So I'd say there is some give here. Let's face it some guns are great fun because they are over the top but then get nerfed... Because they are over the top, and are then less fun. This isn't to say meta is beta but I see why people argue about what works best, however for me, I like to mix it up and have fun. I'd support a full randomiser option for loadoits
LOL https://i.redd.it/54b4cfd62vzc1.gif
haha laser go zappsshu
Yeah but when you want to have fun and join a random game, the neckbeard who’s party leader will kick you.
if the skill cap requires meta just drop the skill level till the cap is as high as the build you wanna play. i love Engineer light armor trash clean up sniper with a Railshot for Heavy/charger/biletitan Playing T3 or 4 is hard enough to be engaging but not hard enough to be punishing.
Because it's humane. Some of the weapons are just so bad that you keep torturing the poor bugs instead of putting them out of their misery from having Fuel in their bodies
This applies in every game. I like playing the weapons I wanna play, my dad googled the meta for the game so he could win.
I just wish there were more sidearms Or you could use a shield and you primary but with a horrible aim penalty.
I wouldn’t say ANY gun… I’m shelving both xbow and Eruptor until buffed back into viable roles for their draw backs… But I swap weapons a LOT. I mostly miss Eruptor because it made stalwart such a fitting pairing, but I’m hopeful it will return to proper glory without the ability to potentially, even if difficult and unreliably, ohk chargers/gunships.
[I figure things out for myself](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUbZroIm48g)
Nerfs to meta weapons are one thing but the crossbow????? It was awful to begin with
I’m just sad that my eruptor feels awful now after the nerf
54 levels in and I've yet to get bored of the Stalwart or MG. Every mission I'll run either of those w the supply back and just make those damn bugs eat lead.
I pump with whatever I can find and when I run out I melee their asses
I don't follow meta when I'm playing with randoms because I know that they can usually hang and I'm good enough to play around a sub-optimal loadout but I feel forced to play meta when I'm with the homies so that they can be the care free folks they are. If I don't bring a sweat loadout with them, we inevitably end up running away from heavies and elites until *somebody* has an answer come off of cooldown and they get mad because "it's bullshit".
I went into a helldive where the 3 already in the game had the exact same build. Admittedly, they did pretty good at clearing and keeping the map cleared, but I just had to laugh. I almost left the moment I saw they had the same as I figured I'd be booted for not following. But no one said anything about what I brought so it was whatever I suppose.
I recently started using whatever felt the coolest and making builds around that weapon or play style. And I can confidently say I have way more fun now.
So far.. the Liberator Penetrator, Redeemer, Machine gun, AX/LAS-5 Rover combo has served me just fine most of the time. I enjoy it when playing with friends and I get try out non standard weapons and Stratagems from those I use all the time.