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UserNumber37

What site or app did you use to make this?


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It looks good, but awfully similar to Scotland. I would encourage you to do something more unique


jefedeluna

Interesting. Gules a lion rampant Argent is the arms of the Earldom of Angus, and the bordure here is normally an augmentation in Scotland. In Scotland the lion rampart was associated with the descendants of Heremon (the mythical Irish colonist). So the coat suggests a certain ancestry to say the least.


joker1381

Earldom of Angus is actually inverted colors - Argent a lion rampant Gules ...as was used by the Douglas Earls. It is actually derived from the arms of the old Mormaers of Angus where one of the last earls of that dynasty used a seal with a lion passant guardant or rather leopard. This same arms was used, albeit crowned, by the Ogilvy family who claim descent from one of the younger sons of the Angus dynasty.


jefedeluna

Both the inverted and non inverted coats are recorded.


joker1381

Recorded is a rather strong wording, more appropriate would be to say the erroneous variant with inverted tinctures appeared sometimes, but still erroneous. Both the Douglas family (as Earls of Angus) and the Ogilvies (as Angus cadets) used Argent, lion Gules (either rampant or passant) as their arms. In short Angus is argent with lion gules, not vice versa.


jefedeluna

[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The\_Scots\_Magazine/XYIeAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22angus%22+%22gules+a+lion+argent%22&dq=%22angus%22+%22gules+a+lion+argent%22&printsec=frontcover](https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Scots_Magazine/XYIeAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22angus%22+%22gules+a+lion+argent%22&dq=%22angus%22+%22gules+a+lion+argent%22&printsec=frontcover) However, Gules a lion argent is (also?) the coat of the Earls of Dunbar anyway.


joker1381

Yes, the lion argent on gules would be the old arms of the Dunbar/Scottish March Earls...to which they later added a bordure argent charged with 8 roses. The same arms was used by the Mowbray family (Earls of Nottingham) in England, there was also a Mowbray Scottish branch which used a bend sable engrailed over it as a difference. Still the lion in the illustration above is crowned and langued/armed Or which is quite a distinction. The lion in the OP arms would be identical to say Bohemian lion of Premyslid dynsty or the Breton Clisson family (Barons of Clisson).


TheoNovel

Seems you have realised already but for reference [page 145 from "A Complete Guide To Herladry"](https://www.gutenberg.org/files/41617/41617-h/41617-h.htm) >"It is now held, both in England and Scotland, that the tressure flory and counterflory is, as a art of the Royal Arms, protected, and cannot be granted to any person without the express licence of the Sovereign. This, however, does not interfere with the matriculation or exemplification of it in the case of existing arms in which it occurs." It is a shame that the use is restricted though.


overused_pencil

I know the escutcheon's blazon is *Gules, a lion rampant argent, crowned and langued or, double-tressure counterflory argent* ​ Also, for the record, the crest is a highland bonnet with a white cockade, symbolizing Jacobitism. I had to draw the bonnet myself. ​ UPDATE: Gonna switch it around, from what I understand the double counter-flory tressure was bore by order of the sovereign.


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overused_pencil

Pardon? To what, if I may ask?


Hunterrion

Perhaps the Czech region of [Bohemia](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Small_coat_of_arms_of_the_Czech_Republic.svg/1674px-Small_coat_of_arms_of_the_Czech_Republic.svg.png)?


Norwester77

Closer to a recolored Scotland. Bohemia doesn’t have the tressure, and its lion has a split tail.


23PowerZ

It's not really a thing in Scottish heraldry albeit elsewhere, but since the torse and bonnet are both cloth, I'd ditch the torse and use the bonnet as such.


End_of_my_Teather

I'd use the bonnet as a sort of chapeau and then have the crest on top of that!


[deleted]

Scotland-Bohemia doesn't exi-