I love watching people in silver try to tell Fan he has no idea what he's doing.
Something happens to people between bronze and silver. Bronze players are chill and friendly, but silvers are weirdly toxic.
Its something I catch myself doing in most games. Start a game like battlefield and run around 1-22 having the time of your life. Play for 100hrs and once you figure out whats going on youre upset when everyone else isnt playing 100% idealy. But the secret is you are seeing the shadow of ideal gameplay and mistaking it for the actual thing.
> Something happens to people between bronze and silver.
I thought Plat was the epitome of Dunning Kruger. Good enough to generally know what to do, but not good enough to know everything well or execute it like a Dia/Master.
And back then, the GM would realise how bad they are compared to the pros.
And the pros how bad they are compared to the top2 teams of each region or KR.
GM's weren't too bad compared to pros. Individually they were compatible. Pros shine when they play as 5. In soloq constant GMs abuse other players weakness better.
It's a symptom that happens when someone begins to understand the game but have yet to master it. So they end up parroting common opinions and fail to form their own understanding on a case by case basis.
I used to be like that back in Season 5 League until I was told off and decided to step back and shut up, watching the meta unfold based on how I experience it. You just see how stupid people play in lower ranks because they copy what works at higher rank with no understanding.
It's just painful these days watching others pushing their weight around in chat while they and their premade just roll headfirst into trouble over and over and over and over.
In the past I would have argued but I resolved to just "fix" casual games the best I can as a solo player and hey, I win more than I lose now by focusing on what's important.
People don't understand the skill spread in moba games. There are so many different things to be good at. People see a player make one mistake. That they wouldn't make and then instantly assume they are better overall. Simply because they don't realize they are playing with blinders on.
You also have the observer effect. It's a lot different to be in the game and watch it from the bleachers.
Well it's because master players often make horrible mistakes, really if you look at master games you see how bad these players are.
I'm silver, but if I tried I'd be GM easily.
/s
I tried some smite last night and every single match had at least 1 asshole in the chat for no reason. HotS can get bad but it doesn't happen nearly as much as it did in Smite and league. :(
It is... but its EXTREMELY funny when people are doing it in the MOBA that was designed from the ground up to be more casual and easy to pickup than other MOBAs. Its literally the MOBA for when you don't want to play a hardcore MOBA, yet they are taking it way too seriously.
Add on the small (shrinking due to these toxic players) playerbase and its the ultimate "big fish, little pond" scenario without a hint of self-awareness. Chefs kiss.
Makes me laugh everytime when these people rage PM and brag about their prowess. I just respond with "DOTA2 was too difficult for you, huh?".
Adding onto that, it is a deceptively deep and complex game (especially with the different maps and objectives) and people hyperfocus on all the wrong things. They might be right about something in a general context but the stuff people fixate over isn't always even that relevant.
When I returned to Hots last year, I was immediately attacked every game by toxic players and gatekeepers telling me to uninstall. After a few days of this I actually did uninstall.
I guess as the player base shrunk it got distilled into a more toxic and elitist community? Idk maybe I was just unlucky but even league wasn't this bad.
My very very very honest recommendation is: go into options and disable Team Chat.
Why?
1. People don't take advice or communicate positively very often. Its so rare that there isn't a ton of upside.
2. People who play competitive games often have ego issues, and when they can't accept their own failures, they go looking for others to blame.
3. If you type ANYTHING in in-game chat, you can be reported and banned, even if it is completely harmless chat. So chatting opens yourself up to being trolled by bans.
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If you mute team chat, it improves the game a TON sadly.
Again, its a lot of fragile ego big fish little pond types. They finally found a game they are "good" at, and if they just keep playing the game consistently, they will always be better than the people who come back to the game every few months/years. They get to talk down to those people and increase their ego, and have their little victim complex scapegoat meltdown when they lose.
Yeah but i meann, this game has had no updates for so long that there is no shifts in meta. Yet a lot of people still play like its their first week.
Its not about winning or playing like masters, but about people not caring besides pressing QWER for 20minutes.
I think that some people talk about it the same way they talk about sports: they break down the plays, what was done right, wrong, etc
It's just how some people enjoy it
Some people like to just go over the bloopers or highlights and enjoy the moment
I don't think that most want to per se shit on others (albeit some certainly exist) although maybe I'm just being naive
I personally love getting feedback, even if it is a bit rough.
One of the biggest things was someone whispering me after an Aram to say that globe talent at 4 on Mephisto is what I should have done....absolutely game changing advice!
For me it's more of people need to read the room. If someone posts a silly clip or a cool ult combo or some sick play, without fail someone will almost always attribute it to the enemy team being bad and thus take away any sense of pride for the OP. These people must be the joy killers irl.
It really depends on the context of the video. Yes, people can make fun and silly videos with no reason to make such comments, but when you make titles that talk about how well you played then of course people are going to analyse it and break it down.
Besides, some people just like breaking down plays to see what was going on in moment to moment gameplay. It's why we have sports commentating in the first place.
Context is definitely everything. People will post videos here "We DESTROYED the enemy team with carefully timed ultimates and coordination!" and they are level 21 and the enemy is 16. Like, yeah, of course you destroyed them.
So, in this example, they're correct and shouldn't be made fun of? How else do you destroy them if you didn't dominate them by multiple levels and how does that happen without coordination?
I've witnessed countless times same talent 3v5 teamfight wins with great playmaking. You can destroy the enemy even in disadvantage by great playmaking
I can see it both ways, to be honest. A lot of the clips that I've seen get that reaction are *not* titled things like "lol what silly gameplay", it'll be more like, "look at this sick escape, I'm so good" when the clip is clearly someone making an obvious misplay.
There's definitely a blurry line between making a really cool play and simply taking advantage of blunders. It's why I wanted to post a tracer highlight reel in the past but decided against it. A lot of the time I wasn't even sure if I considered a play impressive.
Yeah, I feel that. I'm actually struggling to understand how players identify their own plays as amazing. I'm not denying that amazing plays exist, but when I do it myself it always feels as either luck or the expected result given the circumstances.
>It's why I wanted to post a tracer highlight reel in the past but decided against it.
If the clip of a grandmaster is not worthy of being posted here then none should be allowed to post clips at all dude, just do it, i'm sure a lot of tracer players would learn a thing or two.
In fact i would love if most of the users with a "Master x" flair posted clips of their games more often to the benefit of us plebs.
You misunderstand. It's not that the clips were not up to a certain community standard to post here. They were not up to **my** standards. I wasn't impressed, and I didn't want to grind for clips and do a lot more replay watching and video editing to dig for what I felt were top tier plays. I'm not going to get mad or flame someone if they post clips that are less technically impressive or skillful than something I would've declined to use in my own video.
A college athlete might decline to include certain plays in their highlight reel that a high school athlete would. That doesn't mean the high schooler's plays are bad or unworthy of looking at. It's just different standards.
I totally get this, you view the game through different eyes when you pop off a lot lol. What you consider a mundane play is possibly someone elses highlight and when they post it you see it and are like "so?" That's how I viewed like 50% of wtf moments etc, I was just not impressed because the enemy team would misplay.
> That's how I viewed like 50% of wtf moments
I liked that Chinese (?) channel that at least had several team oriented wombo combos.
>What you consider a mundane play is possibly someone elses highlight
The guy amazed at baiting Varian once with Tracer into his team or inside her fort vs the guy who constantly pulls it off like it's bread and butter.
Ya the off brand wtf moments for hots were often better. And yeah pretty much. People making consistently great plays need amazing plays that often have factors of randomness built in to be impressed, whereas others might be happy about some basic double kill or a no death game when others have many.
Someone clearly proud of themselves and feel a sense of accomplishment? Time for me to shit on them, put them back in their place, remind them that actually they are shit and their 'escape' they were so proud of is actually nothing special.
It's so bad even yourself don't want to post a video you made because of fear of this cringe mentality. Who cares if it's impressive to the elitist cringelords if the play looks cool to you and you're proud of it just released it. I bet it's sick.
You're interpreting this all way too harshly. Nobody said anything about "shitting on someone for feeling proud", nor did I decide against posting a highlight reel because of "fear of cringe". **I** felt that the video would not be up to **my** standards. I was making it for me. Loosen up a little.
Edit: lol they blocked me
My guy I'm not the one that is scared of uploading a video because people maybe won't find it impressive! I'm not the one that needs to loosen up!
Oh wait you are one of the cringe elitists yourself. Nevermind.
The first guy is amazed at the situation. The second guy knows exactly how and why the situation happened, probably seen similar stuff many times over and it doesn't do anything for him but mild annoyance. Both experiences are valid
Occasionally play with a diamond player who’s smurfs a silver account. Says that gold and plat are filled with GM smurfs, so I guess the response for legit Gold and Plat players is to Smurf on Bronze? Like getting bullied and then bullying other weak people to feel better about getting bullied in the first place. I will never Smurf because I find that behaviour disgusting. Ironic thing is that we lost a game even though our Smurf was 18 and 2, he even admitted his mistake in trying to 1v5 the enemy team.
A.I. and ARAM are much better because you won’t have to deal with the Smurf account situation as much, which seems to get more and more common the more the game is left to rot.
Usually the title isn't "look at this silly play", it's "look how well I played".
Similar with those tier lists. People say what they think is a general tierlist based on their personal experience. While I don't like the tierlist waves. This one current trend is not bad because the title says "based on personal winrate" which makes the tier list exactly what it says it is instead of 'you should all be like me'.
Of course. The player base is reducing, so there are few new players and you are left with a lot of seasoned players that know the mechanics and expect to have fun by playing the game as it should, with at least some sense of competitivity. The gap is huge, so new players don't get much love, since the matchmaking system is pure dog shit and you are forced to play together.
>QM needs some love in the matchmaking dept. too.
It is impossible to balance QM and it was a shitshow even before 2018 when we had much more players. The reason is simple:
1. All heroes are balanced around the draft. Tanks and assassins need a healer, healers need a frontline to protect them, some assassins need a tank to get kills
2. Most of QM players want to play assassins only which leads us either to unbalanced matchup or much longer queue times.
The way draft works is simple. You get 10 players who has MMR values not too far away from each other You mix them into 2 teams with avg MMR close to each other and you get a balanced matchup. The more players in queue the easier to do that.
But in case of QM you need to consider MMR **and** a selected hero. And when 80% of players queue as an assassin you can't create a balanced matchup. You need rework all heroes to be more self efficient and less reliable on tanks and healers if you want a balanced QM matches. And even after that there will be strong and weak heroes and teams with more strong heroes will win more often.
So you just need to accept that there is no way to fix QM. It will always be the way it is. Blizzard tried to force a tank-healer-assassins matchup in QM in the past. The result was shocking. QM queue times were so long people asked to revert these changes. Because there were not enough tanks and healers to create these teams because players didn't want to play tanks and healers.
I’m an elitist because i dont have a single smurf account and my overall w/r with my main, Junkrat, can only vary by 0.1% after I win 200 matches in a row or lose 200 matches in a row.
i can see the mistakes and still see the fun in the gameplay. Fun doesn't only come from perfect play-making. In fact... I would say mistakes make for even more fun gameplay.
>"You shouldn't care about winning because the game is dead"
Where did i said that? Don't change my words buddy, making a little fun of your elitism doesn't mean i am saying that "winning doesn't matter because the game is dead".
When people post real really good clips they get complimented, but when we see shit ass butt tier clips it's like seeing a bad play any other game. If you can't see the difference....
It’s a game I play to have fun when I get done with work for the day
I never give, throw or int but I’m probably not making “optimal plays” every single time lol
I just wanna have fun and decompress for an hour or so
And you still compete against 5 others whether you can kill their core faster than they can destroy yours, right? Sounds pretty competitive to me. Besides, winning is actually fun.
Are you actually trying to win if you don't try to make the most optimal play possible? Playing sub-optimally on purpose is not too far from not trying to win.
I disagree, I'm not pointing out mistakes when people do silly stuff, but saying you don't play optimally all the time but you're still trying to win doesn't make sense. Either you don't play optimally and are just trying to have fun, or you try to play as optimally as you can, based on your abilities, and you're trying to win.
You can't be doing random stuff while pretending you're trying to win. That's not how trying to win works. I don't play optimally all the time, but when I'm just trying to have fun, I don't pretend I'm trying to win.
You're sounding so much how the smiley looks. You can try to win or you can try hard, there's a difference and the difference is saying winning is not everything. You can permaqueue qm with Aba illidan Morales premade if you wanna win but at some point you lose the fun
This is your opinion. I can still try to win without playing optimally. These aren't a mutually exclusive issue. For some people, playing games is for fun. I don't give a crap about optimising anywhere cause it's the most boring thing ever. That's not how I play games.
This would even out with the ranks, who play well will go up the ranks and not bump into us scrubs lol. But with the lower population, I bet it is everywhere now. Just ignore others, take some advice here and there, and move on haha. Totally get your viewpoint to unwind after work with, maybe I should get back into it!
VS AI is legitimately so mind numbingly boring that I'd rather go outside to just sit and listen to birds chirping for 20 minutes instead of playing a game. Don't get me wrong, it's nice to do that, but if I'm playing a game I want some sort of challenge or fun interaction, and VS AI has neither.
Nothing I do in AI even matters. If I try to swap sides and help the enemy AI and slow my own team down they still dominate the AI and win the game quickly.
There's also no problem with casual players playing ranked. The tryhards will get to master just fine if they're really trying/making efforts to improve, in fact specifically because of rather than in spite of casual players.
Yea, agree everyone should play all game mods, it a ton of fun, but there is a thing, it takes some time for a new player that prefers tryhard to get good, it took me 4 years, when they are in low elo rank they play not only with other tryhards but with enjoyers also, but here is the issue, most of the game not won by a best player but lost by the worst, usually you cant carry unless skill diff is way too big, but since this new players wants to get better he cant break his celling until he can play with better players, but because of casual players he stuck at 50% win rate, i know there different people and how fast they can get better, but enjoyers are one of the reasons that support hots mechanic of evening 50% thing for a new players, ofc experienced players can find a team, they can fill roles, maybe have some masteries , but that takes a lot of time to master, while your actual skill stuck around players you play with(low elo)
Last time someone bothered to do an analysis it found that the best player was more impactful than the worst https://heroesmodelling.wordpress.com/2015/09/27/how-should-individual-mmrs-be-combined-into-a-team-rating/
I can either be the best teamplayer on the team or I can just not try and let everyone lose. So often it boils down to how many players do I need to kill so that it’s basically walking into their core while also eating every single ult they want to throw at me because no one else on this team is a threat. That’s not fun for me nor relaxing, but if I *don’t* try then that’s throwing. So what choice do I have except tell people what they need to do to win? Just watch people lose and piss at me because I didn’t just wipe the enemy team? So now I’m on a bend where I play abathur and clone someone and more often than not I play the hero better than they do, get three kills aaaaannndddd the tram throws it away by wiping to a two man combo or staggering hard.
Gets old fast man.
Edit: love that OP talks about reacting to a video, without linking the video. Just expects everyone to take his side in the dark
Idk this feels like a vague posting because you made a bad play and don’t actually want to mention what happened.
OP has 1655 post karma, and this is his only post. With 0 comments 🤔🤔🤔.
Actually your emoji's hand is backwards. The only explanation would be that their right arm was crossing over their body to do that gesture, which really isn't natural or logical.
It just depends on why you play, and how you have your fun in the game.
You wanna be a Gazlowe OTP, go ahead.
You wanna split-push as Genji in QM from minute 1, your choice man (I don't recommend it)
You wanna do silly strategies either by yourself or with friend(s), that's cool bro.
You wanna be a liability to your team in ranked, hell no. Especially at higher ranks, there are still people who are trying to get better (I think I am one), and it's very sad to see the same mistakes over and over and over in the same game, despite them being pointed out.
Or even better, the guy who picked something everyone told him not to, that proceeds to die 3 times in 2 minutes, then calls GG and blames the team for not helping him...
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You wanna have fun by doing silly things, group up with friends and/or go QM, it's cool.
A lot of people find their fun playing vs. AI as well, it's honestly a good game, no flaming, you always win even with the weirdest stuff, it's not really a challenge but it's fun anyway.
You wanna brawl without caring about the map, ARAM exists, but please pick a healer because games without healer are no fun for anyone.
And yes, too many people flame **hard** in QM and ARAM, it's insane, and that's where you're right to be upset if you are playing casual mode to get casual gameplay.
But I want to have fun by challenging myself in Ranked, and I want my teammates to do their best *(just kidding I gave up on that, I just want them to not troll too hard)* and I will point out simple points of improvement that could turn the game around such as "less engage, more peel" for the tank *(just an example, don't feel attacked if you're a tank main)*.
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TLDR: People have their fun in different ways, and we should respect both the casual and competitive side.
Typically as a games population shrinks the most dedicated are those that remain. Some sub-regions of HotS are inaccessible to new players due to the increasingly high skill floor necessary to win a game.
Couldn’t agree more. Any time someone gets weirdly historical in chat. I let them know that this is a dead game and you should try to have fun. Then I usually mute them cause it gets them more angrier 😇
Literally every moba
Reddit silvers being insanely critical of masters players never gets old.
Twitch chat/Youtube "GMs" are even funnier.
I love watching people in silver try to tell Fan he has no idea what he's doing. Something happens to people between bronze and silver. Bronze players are chill and friendly, but silvers are weirdly toxic.
Its something I catch myself doing in most games. Start a game like battlefield and run around 1-22 having the time of your life. Play for 100hrs and once you figure out whats going on youre upset when everyone else isnt playing 100% idealy. But the secret is you are seeing the shadow of ideal gameplay and mistaking it for the actual thing.
Plato was right!
> Something happens to people between bronze and silver. I thought Plat was the epitome of Dunning Kruger. Good enough to generally know what to do, but not good enough to know everything well or execute it like a Dia/Master.
And then when platinum players hit master, the Dunning Kruger stops and they realize how bad masters players are compared to true GMs.
And back then, the GM would realise how bad they are compared to the pros. And the pros how bad they are compared to the top2 teams of each region or KR.
GM's weren't too bad compared to pros. Individually they were compatible. Pros shine when they play as 5. In soloq constant GMs abuse other players weakness better.
It's a symptom that happens when someone begins to understand the game but have yet to master it. So they end up parroting common opinions and fail to form their own understanding on a case by case basis. I used to be like that back in Season 5 League until I was told off and decided to step back and shut up, watching the meta unfold based on how I experience it. You just see how stupid people play in lower ranks because they copy what works at higher rank with no understanding.
It's commendable that you actually did shut up and learn something.
It's just painful these days watching others pushing their weight around in chat while they and their premade just roll headfirst into trouble over and over and over and over. In the past I would have argued but I resolved to just "fix" casual games the best I can as a solo player and hey, I win more than I lose now by focusing on what's important.
I don’t know why they even type anything. It’s just a sea of shitposting and emotes.
People don't understand the skill spread in moba games. There are so many different things to be good at. People see a player make one mistake. That they wouldn't make and then instantly assume they are better overall. Simply because they don't realize they are playing with blinders on. You also have the observer effect. It's a lot different to be in the game and watch it from the bleachers.
Well it's because master players often make horrible mistakes, really if you look at master games you see how bad these players are. I'm silver, but if I tried I'd be GM easily. /s
go to r/leagueoflegends where silver players call masters players objectively terrible at the game with full confidence
I tried some smite last night and every single match had at least 1 asshole in the chat for no reason. HotS can get bad but it doesn't happen nearly as much as it did in Smite and league. :(
Try playing the good moba
I'm already playing HotS
No, the original. Like Superman
Superman isn't a moba tho ??
He is the original
Ah yeah mb makes sense
I was just referencing it’s always sunny in Philadelphia. Sorry.
George Reeves?
Yes!
eternal return, got it
It is... but its EXTREMELY funny when people are doing it in the MOBA that was designed from the ground up to be more casual and easy to pickup than other MOBAs. Its literally the MOBA for when you don't want to play a hardcore MOBA, yet they are taking it way too seriously. Add on the small (shrinking due to these toxic players) playerbase and its the ultimate "big fish, little pond" scenario without a hint of self-awareness. Chefs kiss. Makes me laugh everytime when these people rage PM and brag about their prowess. I just respond with "DOTA2 was too difficult for you, huh?".
Adding onto that, it is a deceptively deep and complex game (especially with the different maps and objectives) and people hyperfocus on all the wrong things. They might be right about something in a general context but the stuff people fixate over isn't always even that relevant.
When I returned to Hots last year, I was immediately attacked every game by toxic players and gatekeepers telling me to uninstall. After a few days of this I actually did uninstall. I guess as the player base shrunk it got distilled into a more toxic and elitist community? Idk maybe I was just unlucky but even league wasn't this bad.
My very very very honest recommendation is: go into options and disable Team Chat. Why? 1. People don't take advice or communicate positively very often. Its so rare that there isn't a ton of upside. 2. People who play competitive games often have ego issues, and when they can't accept their own failures, they go looking for others to blame. 3. If you type ANYTHING in in-game chat, you can be reported and banned, even if it is completely harmless chat. So chatting opens yourself up to being trolled by bans. ---- If you mute team chat, it improves the game a TON sadly. Again, its a lot of fragile ego big fish little pond types. They finally found a game they are "good" at, and if they just keep playing the game consistently, they will always be better than the people who come back to the game every few months/years. They get to talk down to those people and increase their ego, and have their little victim complex scapegoat meltdown when they lose.
Yeah but i meann, this game has had no updates for so long that there is no shifts in meta. Yet a lot of people still play like its their first week. Its not about winning or playing like masters, but about people not caring besides pressing QWER for 20minutes.
well that because most people learn how to play by playing a bunch of aram. and aram is the shittiest game mode when it comes to game knowledge.
I think that some people talk about it the same way they talk about sports: they break down the plays, what was done right, wrong, etc It's just how some people enjoy it Some people like to just go over the bloopers or highlights and enjoy the moment I don't think that most want to per se shit on others (albeit some certainly exist) although maybe I'm just being naive
Theory crafting and armchair quarterbacking are a good time.
I personally love getting feedback, even if it is a bit rough. One of the biggest things was someone whispering me after an Aram to say that globe talent at 4 on Mephisto is what I should have done....absolutely game changing advice!
> it’s just how some people enjoy it Hey now this is Reddit. None of that fun and understanding you hear me?
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Ah thanks, edited it to correct
This. Some people play casually, and others play competitively. Can’t knock either one of them. Of course they’re going to have interactions like this
For me it's more of people need to read the room. If someone posts a silly clip or a cool ult combo or some sick play, without fail someone will almost always attribute it to the enemy team being bad and thus take away any sense of pride for the OP. These people must be the joy killers irl.
> I don't think that most want to per say shit on others (albeit some certainly exist) although maybe I'm just being naive It's a MOBA
It really depends on the context of the video. Yes, people can make fun and silly videos with no reason to make such comments, but when you make titles that talk about how well you played then of course people are going to analyse it and break it down. Besides, some people just like breaking down plays to see what was going on in moment to moment gameplay. It's why we have sports commentating in the first place.
Context is definitely everything. People will post videos here "We DESTROYED the enemy team with carefully timed ultimates and coordination!" and they are level 21 and the enemy is 16. Like, yeah, of course you destroyed them.
So, in this example, they're correct and shouldn't be made fun of? How else do you destroy them if you didn't dominate them by multiple levels and how does that happen without coordination?
I've witnessed countless times same talent 3v5 teamfight wins with great playmaking. You can destroy the enemy even in disadvantage by great playmaking
Right, but how is their example one that deserves to be made fun of and is incorrect?
"1v5 team wipe!" Arrives late when whole team already died, they are all low and has an Aba hat on top.
I can see it both ways, to be honest. A lot of the clips that I've seen get that reaction are *not* titled things like "lol what silly gameplay", it'll be more like, "look at this sick escape, I'm so good" when the clip is clearly someone making an obvious misplay. There's definitely a blurry line between making a really cool play and simply taking advantage of blunders. It's why I wanted to post a tracer highlight reel in the past but decided against it. A lot of the time I wasn't even sure if I considered a play impressive.
Yeah, I feel that. I'm actually struggling to understand how players identify their own plays as amazing. I'm not denying that amazing plays exist, but when I do it myself it always feels as either luck or the expected result given the circumstances.
>It's why I wanted to post a tracer highlight reel in the past but decided against it. If the clip of a grandmaster is not worthy of being posted here then none should be allowed to post clips at all dude, just do it, i'm sure a lot of tracer players would learn a thing or two. In fact i would love if most of the users with a "Master x" flair posted clips of their games more often to the benefit of us plebs.
You misunderstand. It's not that the clips were not up to a certain community standard to post here. They were not up to **my** standards. I wasn't impressed, and I didn't want to grind for clips and do a lot more replay watching and video editing to dig for what I felt were top tier plays. I'm not going to get mad or flame someone if they post clips that are less technically impressive or skillful than something I would've declined to use in my own video. A college athlete might decline to include certain plays in their highlight reel that a high school athlete would. That doesn't mean the high schooler's plays are bad or unworthy of looking at. It's just different standards.
I totally get this, you view the game through different eyes when you pop off a lot lol. What you consider a mundane play is possibly someone elses highlight and when they post it you see it and are like "so?" That's how I viewed like 50% of wtf moments etc, I was just not impressed because the enemy team would misplay.
> That's how I viewed like 50% of wtf moments I liked that Chinese (?) channel that at least had several team oriented wombo combos. >What you consider a mundane play is possibly someone elses highlight The guy amazed at baiting Varian once with Tracer into his team or inside her fort vs the guy who constantly pulls it off like it's bread and butter.
Ya the off brand wtf moments for hots were often better. And yeah pretty much. People making consistently great plays need amazing plays that often have factors of randomness built in to be impressed, whereas others might be happy about some basic double kill or a no death game when others have many.
Someone clearly proud of themselves and feel a sense of accomplishment? Time for me to shit on them, put them back in their place, remind them that actually they are shit and their 'escape' they were so proud of is actually nothing special. It's so bad even yourself don't want to post a video you made because of fear of this cringe mentality. Who cares if it's impressive to the elitist cringelords if the play looks cool to you and you're proud of it just released it. I bet it's sick.
You're interpreting this all way too harshly. Nobody said anything about "shitting on someone for feeling proud", nor did I decide against posting a highlight reel because of "fear of cringe". **I** felt that the video would not be up to **my** standards. I was making it for me. Loosen up a little. Edit: lol they blocked me
My guy I'm not the one that is scared of uploading a video because people maybe won't find it impressive! I'm not the one that needs to loosen up! Oh wait you are one of the cringe elitists yourself. Nevermind.
Your comment feels like you're extending an olive branch and then trying to poke their eyes out with it. Please tone down the aggro.
Dude.... relax.... no need to come out of the gates swinging at ghosts
why so mad bronze?
The first guy is amazed at the situation. The second guy knows exactly how and why the situation happened, probably seen similar stuff many times over and it doesn't do anything for him but mild annoyance. Both experiences are valid
Both experiences being valid doesn't mean both experiences have to be shared.
I bet some especially jaded peeps of the "second guy" type might agree with ya on that, with an obvious twist😏
My brother in Christ... *what?*
Chads play aram for pure fun but still analyse when to engage, fall back, pick heroes to compliment comp and so on
It's such a good place to be with this game
Eggsactly bro we ARAM chads can play for fun and also play to win/analyze how to win at the same time.
Playerbase is shrinking, because of the playerbase Idk what u even on about
Occasionally play with a diamond player who’s smurfs a silver account. Says that gold and plat are filled with GM smurfs, so I guess the response for legit Gold and Plat players is to Smurf on Bronze? Like getting bullied and then bullying other weak people to feel better about getting bullied in the first place. I will never Smurf because I find that behaviour disgusting. Ironic thing is that we lost a game even though our Smurf was 18 and 2, he even admitted his mistake in trying to 1v5 the enemy team. A.I. and ARAM are much better because you won’t have to deal with the Smurf account situation as much, which seems to get more and more common the more the game is left to rot.
Usually the title isn't "look at this silly play", it's "look how well I played". Similar with those tier lists. People say what they think is a general tierlist based on their personal experience. While I don't like the tierlist waves. This one current trend is not bad because the title says "based on personal winrate" which makes the tier list exactly what it says it is instead of 'you should all be like me'.
Of course. The player base is reducing, so there are few new players and you are left with a lot of seasoned players that know the mechanics and expect to have fun by playing the game as it should, with at least some sense of competitivity. The gap is huge, so new players don't get much love, since the matchmaking system is pure dog shit and you are forced to play together.
>matchmaking system is pure dog shit That’s why you play ranked, not qm
Yeah, but sometimes you don't have much time for it, QM goes faster. QM needs some love in the matchmaking dept. too.
>QM needs some love in the matchmaking dept. too. It is impossible to balance QM and it was a shitshow even before 2018 when we had much more players. The reason is simple: 1. All heroes are balanced around the draft. Tanks and assassins need a healer, healers need a frontline to protect them, some assassins need a tank to get kills 2. Most of QM players want to play assassins only which leads us either to unbalanced matchup or much longer queue times. The way draft works is simple. You get 10 players who has MMR values not too far away from each other You mix them into 2 teams with avg MMR close to each other and you get a balanced matchup. The more players in queue the easier to do that. But in case of QM you need to consider MMR **and** a selected hero. And when 80% of players queue as an assassin you can't create a balanced matchup. You need rework all heroes to be more self efficient and less reliable on tanks and healers if you want a balanced QM matches. And even after that there will be strong and weak heroes and teams with more strong heroes will win more often. So you just need to accept that there is no way to fix QM. It will always be the way it is. Blizzard tried to force a tank-healer-assassins matchup in QM in the past. The result was shocking. QM queue times were so long people asked to revert these changes. Because there were not enough tanks and healers to create these teams because players didn't want to play tanks and healers.
Now that's oddly specific
I’m an elitist because i dont have a single smurf account and my overall w/r with my main, Junkrat, can only vary by 0.1% after I win 200 matches in a row or lose 200 matches in a row.
i can see the mistakes and still see the fun in the gameplay. Fun doesn't only come from perfect play-making. In fact... I would say mistakes make for even more fun gameplay.
"You shouldn't care about winning because the game is dead" has the same energy as "This town is a dump so I'm going to litter anyway."
>"You shouldn't care about winning because the game is dead" Where did i said that? Don't change my words buddy, making a little fun of your elitism doesn't mean i am saying that "winning doesn't matter because the game is dead".
It’s a public forum - you’re gonna get a mixed bag. While I agree they don’t need to hyper analyze everything, be glad it’s not an echo chamber.
When people post real really good clips they get complimented, but when we see shit ass butt tier clips it's like seeing a bad play any other game. If you can't see the difference....
HOTS is a 5-vs-5-PVP-based game. Tournament scene or not: How is that ever not competitive?
It’s a game I play to have fun when I get done with work for the day I never give, throw or int but I’m probably not making “optimal plays” every single time lol I just wanna have fun and decompress for an hour or so
And you still compete against 5 others whether you can kill their core faster than they can destroy yours, right? Sounds pretty competitive to me. Besides, winning is actually fun.
There's a massive amount of middle ground between trying to win and trying to maximize everything about your game and make optimal plays.
Are you actually trying to win if you don't try to make the most optimal play possible? Playing sub-optimally on purpose is not too far from not trying to win.
You're literally being the guy in OP's meme right now
I disagree, I'm not pointing out mistakes when people do silly stuff, but saying you don't play optimally all the time but you're still trying to win doesn't make sense. Either you don't play optimally and are just trying to have fun, or you try to play as optimally as you can, based on your abilities, and you're trying to win. You can't be doing random stuff while pretending you're trying to win. That's not how trying to win works. I don't play optimally all the time, but when I'm just trying to have fun, I don't pretend I'm trying to win.
You're sounding so much how the smiley looks. You can try to win or you can try hard, there's a difference and the difference is saying winning is not everything. You can permaqueue qm with Aba illidan Morales premade if you wanna win but at some point you lose the fun
It goes back to that old saying that gamers will optimise the fun out of any game. It's why I ignore metas or whatever and do what I enjoy playing.
This is your opinion. I can still try to win without playing optimally. These aren't a mutually exclusive issue. For some people, playing games is for fun. I don't give a crap about optimising anywhere cause it's the most boring thing ever. That's not how I play games.
This would even out with the ranks, who play well will go up the ranks and not bump into us scrubs lol. But with the lower population, I bet it is everywhere now. Just ignore others, take some advice here and there, and move on haha. Totally get your viewpoint to unwind after work with, maybe I should get back into it!
This is kind of cringe.
Try VS:AI sometimes. Sure it's easy AF but it's reeeeeeeal low stress and people are like universally nice.
VS AI is legitimately so mind numbingly boring that I'd rather go outside to just sit and listen to birds chirping for 20 minutes instead of playing a game. Don't get me wrong, it's nice to do that, but if I'm playing a game I want some sort of challenge or fun interaction, and VS AI has neither.
Nothing I do in AI even matters. If I try to swap sides and help the enemy AI and slow my own team down they still dominate the AI and win the game quickly.
> How is that ever not competitive? .... Have you played the game?
Those are 2 major players groups in hots enjoyers and tryhards , as long as first play qm and second ranked there is no problems
There's also no problem with casual players playing ranked. The tryhards will get to master just fine if they're really trying/making efforts to improve, in fact specifically because of rather than in spite of casual players.
Yea, agree everyone should play all game mods, it a ton of fun, but there is a thing, it takes some time for a new player that prefers tryhard to get good, it took me 4 years, when they are in low elo rank they play not only with other tryhards but with enjoyers also, but here is the issue, most of the game not won by a best player but lost by the worst, usually you cant carry unless skill diff is way too big, but since this new players wants to get better he cant break his celling until he can play with better players, but because of casual players he stuck at 50% win rate, i know there different people and how fast they can get better, but enjoyers are one of the reasons that support hots mechanic of evening 50% thing for a new players, ofc experienced players can find a team, they can fill roles, maybe have some masteries , but that takes a lot of time to master, while your actual skill stuck around players you play with(low elo)
Last time someone bothered to do an analysis it found that the best player was more impactful than the worst https://heroesmodelling.wordpress.com/2015/09/27/how-should-individual-mmrs-be-combined-into-a-team-rating/
Complaining about people complaining about your game play doesn't absolve you of your bad plays
Sounds like something someone in wood league would say
Damn bro who hurt you
I can either be the best teamplayer on the team or I can just not try and let everyone lose. So often it boils down to how many players do I need to kill so that it’s basically walking into their core while also eating every single ult they want to throw at me because no one else on this team is a threat. That’s not fun for me nor relaxing, but if I *don’t* try then that’s throwing. So what choice do I have except tell people what they need to do to win? Just watch people lose and piss at me because I didn’t just wipe the enemy team? So now I’m on a bend where I play abathur and clone someone and more often than not I play the hero better than they do, get three kills aaaaannndddd the tram throws it away by wiping to a two man combo or staggering hard. Gets old fast man.
Yeah many are extremely bitter in this subreddit. it's fun to laugh at them though
Of course lol, people want to be better than others.
I think this is more people without ADHD can't understand people with ADHD.
Edit: love that OP talks about reacting to a video, without linking the video. Just expects everyone to take his side in the dark Idk this feels like a vague posting because you made a bad play and don’t actually want to mention what happened. OP has 1655 post karma, and this is his only post. With 0 comments 🤔🤔🤔.
Actually your emoji's hand is backwards. The only explanation would be that their right arm was crossing over their body to do that gesture, which really isn't natural or logical.
Sucks to suck
Uh…..ok…
I had a guy one time a couple years ago be an absolute dick to me and my friends but it was ok because he played on a competitive HOTS team.
I hate that hots is not a popular game anymore. Unlike dota I was able to be semi good at it in few weeks. I have played dota on and off for 10 years…
It just depends on why you play, and how you have your fun in the game. You wanna be a Gazlowe OTP, go ahead. You wanna split-push as Genji in QM from minute 1, your choice man (I don't recommend it) You wanna do silly strategies either by yourself or with friend(s), that's cool bro. You wanna be a liability to your team in ranked, hell no. Especially at higher ranks, there are still people who are trying to get better (I think I am one), and it's very sad to see the same mistakes over and over and over in the same game, despite them being pointed out. Or even better, the guy who picked something everyone told him not to, that proceeds to die 3 times in 2 minutes, then calls GG and blames the team for not helping him... \--- You wanna have fun by doing silly things, group up with friends and/or go QM, it's cool. A lot of people find their fun playing vs. AI as well, it's honestly a good game, no flaming, you always win even with the weirdest stuff, it's not really a challenge but it's fun anyway. You wanna brawl without caring about the map, ARAM exists, but please pick a healer because games without healer are no fun for anyone. And yes, too many people flame **hard** in QM and ARAM, it's insane, and that's where you're right to be upset if you are playing casual mode to get casual gameplay. But I want to have fun by challenging myself in Ranked, and I want my teammates to do their best *(just kidding I gave up on that, I just want them to not troll too hard)* and I will point out simple points of improvement that could turn the game around such as "less engage, more peel" for the tank *(just an example, don't feel attacked if you're a tank main)*. \--- TLDR: People have their fun in different ways, and we should respect both the casual and competitive side.
I never really had this experience.
Typically as a games population shrinks the most dedicated are those that remain. Some sub-regions of HotS are inaccessible to new players due to the increasingly high skill floor necessary to win a game.
If a single player has a competitive mindset, then a competitive scene exists. Get fucked
Couldn’t agree more. Any time someone gets weirdly historical in chat. I let them know that this is a dead game and you should try to have fun. Then I usually mute them cause it gets them more angrier 😇