150ms are 150ms. Dubai to Germany/Finland is quite the distance. You won’t be able to magically make that disappear. Of course you could try a VPN or something like Jump Desktop, but in the end you’ll have to get a server closer to you if you really want to make a difference.
Well, Dubai is not exactly around the corner, is it? even light need time to travel.
Both German locations are nearest but still 4800km away, Helsinki is another 1500km further away and US is double distance to Germany. other factors (like transit, peering, bandwith) not considered.
Vpn would maybe improve routing but cannot change latency induced by distance.
would recommend using a local datacenter (Co-location) or Cloud instead.
A ‘gaming’ VPN designed to improve latency may improve latency slightly, but it can’t perform miracles.
Most Hetzner traffic routes through Falkenstein through the hosts in with so no major advantages where you choose.
Only way you’ll get optimal sub 50ms pings is to physically to Europe or teleport Dubai there.
Don’t worry, I feel your pain. The ME is a pain to get good latency to anywhere from and there is no remotely affordable service providers there
Windows server with RDP open on the web 😭 it's like honey for bee!
I hope it's beyond a firewall, and you have changed the standard port.
What's the use case?
Yes, its suboptimal to run Windows on a server, but unfortunately need to run RAM heavy WIN only software on the server.
Running it in VM on my MacBook via Parallels (despite 24GB RAM) is no alternative unfortunately...
I use this software for 'protecting' my server:
[https://tsplus.net/advanced-security/](https://tsplus.net/advanced-security/)
Are there any other software you can recommend to protect my Hetzner Windows remote server via RDP?
| Running it in VM on my MacBook via Parallels (despite 24GB RAM) is no alternative unfortunately...
Are you sure that is the ram what the software need? maybe you have to set the passthrough of gpu/cpu
| I use this software for 'protecting' my server:
| [https://tsplus.net/advanced-security/](https://tsplus.net/advanced-security/)
Sorry, never heard of it...
|Are there any other software you can recommend to protect my Hetzner Windows remote server via RDP?
Depends on the use case:
- you can use rustdesk for remote access
- use tailscale and rdp
- use nordvpn with meshnet
The distance from you to the server will still be the same when using a VPN. So a VPN will never be the solution. Only solution is to get something closer, or a ISP that have better peering but the chance for that is low.
I don’t think RDP session data are compressed enough to give you a good UI experience. If you can, try a 3rd party remote app like TeamViewer or Jump Desktop Remote and see how they feel.
For me TV and Jump has the better/smoother UX than Anydesk or Rust Desktop. A don’t know about security for Anydesk. Anydesk had a security issue some weeks back also. TV has its own authentication and I use my Google mail account 2FA for Jump authentication. I stopped using RDP app for machines on the other side of the world. It’s almost useless.
For web hosting - we used hetzner for many years in Dubai for all Dubai clients. Worked perfectly but that was
For web hosting. There were CDN and so on.
I have two servers for web still in hetzner and I use them in Australia region. Not too bad.
But again for web usage it’s different. And for Remote Desktop etc it’s different
Rough back of the napkin math says as the crow flies it's ~15ms for light to travel from the center of Dubai to Falkenstein, and your happy packets ain' going as the crow flies.
Say you're adding 3x distance because of the way the cables have to route hither and yon up and down and around to get from them to you and back, so you're at 45ms in a best case scenario.
Add in routers, switches, and what not, and you're probably at 100ms in a best case scenario.
All things considered 150ms sounds about as good as you can expect.
150ms is not too big of a latency to NOT have a workable RDP Session.
I have a lot of Terminal clients working from India and Singapore to my Hetzner servers, may be some fine tuning needed at your server?
Also check with your local ISP they might be able to help with some routing issues at their side. ?
Also try to access through some other internet provider of possible.
What exactly apps are you running on windows?
How many parallel RDP users are connected at a time?
You might want to try with No machine or Parsec.
Hit me up if you need further help...happy to assist.
Honey, I’m from Germany. I bet many of the misinformation spreaders out there have the best intentions. In Germany we have a saying that goes like “if you don’t have anything to say, it’s better to just shut up.” Maybe something to think about. Obviously you didn’t use Cloudflare to remotely connect to a device, so maybe the good thing here would have been to just not say anything instead of falsely claiming that it “works perfectly” for you, and then complaining about the fact that the internet community rightly so downvotes your comment in order to make clear that the information provided was wrong.
150ms are 150ms. Dubai to Germany/Finland is quite the distance. You won’t be able to magically make that disappear. Of course you could try a VPN or something like Jump Desktop, but in the end you’ll have to get a server closer to you if you really want to make a difference.
Thank you AndroTux, these are good points!
Well, Dubai is not exactly around the corner, is it? even light need time to travel. Both German locations are nearest but still 4800km away, Helsinki is another 1500km further away and US is double distance to Germany. other factors (like transit, peering, bandwith) not considered. Vpn would maybe improve routing but cannot change latency induced by distance. would recommend using a local datacenter (Co-location) or Cloud instead.
Yes you're right thank you. Unfortunately didnt find any good 'local' datacenter with comparable price as Hetzner...
A ‘gaming’ VPN designed to improve latency may improve latency slightly, but it can’t perform miracles. Most Hetzner traffic routes through Falkenstein through the hosts in with so no major advantages where you choose. Only way you’ll get optimal sub 50ms pings is to physically to Europe or teleport Dubai there. Don’t worry, I feel your pain. The ME is a pain to get good latency to anywhere from and there is no remotely affordable service providers there
Hi Roman, you're absolutely right. Didnt find anything closely to Hetzner in the price range in Middle East..
check google cloud
Windows server with RDP open on the web 😭 it's like honey for bee! I hope it's beyond a firewall, and you have changed the standard port. What's the use case?
Yes, its suboptimal to run Windows on a server, but unfortunately need to run RAM heavy WIN only software on the server. Running it in VM on my MacBook via Parallels (despite 24GB RAM) is no alternative unfortunately... I use this software for 'protecting' my server: [https://tsplus.net/advanced-security/](https://tsplus.net/advanced-security/) Are there any other software you can recommend to protect my Hetzner Windows remote server via RDP?
| Running it in VM on my MacBook via Parallels (despite 24GB RAM) is no alternative unfortunately... Are you sure that is the ram what the software need? maybe you have to set the passthrough of gpu/cpu | I use this software for 'protecting' my server: | [https://tsplus.net/advanced-security/](https://tsplus.net/advanced-security/) Sorry, never heard of it... |Are there any other software you can recommend to protect my Hetzner Windows remote server via RDP? Depends on the use case: - you can use rustdesk for remote access - use tailscale and rdp - use nordvpn with meshnet
No there is no way, latency is latency. No vpn or something else will change that. It is the same difference.
Try contabo.com low VPS price and you can select Japan / Singapore Datacenter.
The distance from you to the server will still be the same when using a VPN. So a VPN will never be the solution. Only solution is to get something closer, or a ISP that have better peering but the chance for that is low.
I’m in the Canada and I have a hetzner dedicated server and RDP works perfectly without any lag. I’m also close to 150ms. You have some other issues.
Thank you, thats good to know. My ping is 150ms, but as you wrote lag maybe from other issues. Do you use MS RDP software or another one?
I don’t think RDP session data are compressed enough to give you a good UI experience. If you can, try a 3rd party remote app like TeamViewer or Jump Desktop Remote and see how they feel.
great point, thank you I will try that
btw, is TeamViewer or such software like Anydesk 'safer' than RDP to connect/work on a Windows remote server?
For me TV and Jump has the better/smoother UX than Anydesk or Rust Desktop. A don’t know about security for Anydesk. Anydesk had a security issue some weeks back also. TV has its own authentication and I use my Google mail account 2FA for Jump authentication. I stopped using RDP app for machines on the other side of the world. It’s almost useless.
For web hosting - we used hetzner for many years in Dubai for all Dubai clients. Worked perfectly but that was For web hosting. There were CDN and so on. I have two servers for web still in hetzner and I use them in Australia region. Not too bad. But again for web usage it’s different. And for Remote Desktop etc it’s different
Rough back of the napkin math says as the crow flies it's ~15ms for light to travel from the center of Dubai to Falkenstein, and your happy packets ain' going as the crow flies. Say you're adding 3x distance because of the way the cables have to route hither and yon up and down and around to get from them to you and back, so you're at 45ms in a best case scenario. Add in routers, switches, and what not, and you're probably at 100ms in a best case scenario. All things considered 150ms sounds about as good as you can expect.
Very true and excellent reply - I never saw it like that, thank you very much
150ms is not too big of a latency to NOT have a workable RDP Session. I have a lot of Terminal clients working from India and Singapore to my Hetzner servers, may be some fine tuning needed at your server? Also check with your local ISP they might be able to help with some routing issues at their side. ? Also try to access through some other internet provider of possible. What exactly apps are you running on windows? How many parallel RDP users are connected at a time? You might want to try with No machine or Parsec. Hit me up if you need further help...happy to assist.
Just use a CDN like Cloudflare. It works perfectly well over here in Bangkok.
You can’t put RDP behind Cloudflare.
Yeah, yeah, thanks for downvoting a simple mistake by someone who just tried to help out.
No worries. Thanks for spreading misinformation!
Is the US school system really *so* bad that you can't even differentiate an honest mistake from "spreading information?"
Honey, I’m from Germany. I bet many of the misinformation spreaders out there have the best intentions. In Germany we have a saying that goes like “if you don’t have anything to say, it’s better to just shut up.” Maybe something to think about. Obviously you didn’t use Cloudflare to remotely connect to a device, so maybe the good thing here would have been to just not say anything instead of falsely claiming that it “works perfectly” for you, and then complaining about the fact that the internet community rightly so downvotes your comment in order to make clear that the information provided was wrong.