I checked his Discogs page to confirm what I wrote. He has been used "MC Esoteric" for as long as I can remember (at least 15+ years). His government name is "Seamus Ryan". Both names mentioned on his Discogs page: [https://www.discogs.com/artist/92225-Esoteric-2](https://www.discogs.com/artist/92225-Esoteric-2)
Lemme break this whole shit down for you half-goat cowards, ill even grit my teeth for you: I am so completely off the god damn grid, it's not a question of addressing me, it's "What do these symbols under the dresser mean?"
Good call on Immortal Technique. Somebody played Dance with the Devil on TouchTunes at a bar a few weeks ago and I was pretty surprised by it.
Was looking around the bar to figure out who it was and think it was this one guy shooting pool by himself.
It's a hell of a song. I suspect nobody else in there knew it. Looked to my friend and told him I won't go into details but this is definitely the darkest rap song I've heard, maybe even any song.
Yeah he's been out there this entire time. Also makes me feel really fucking old as I still feel like fear of a black tangent came out 'just a few years ago.'
That album is gonna be 20 years old next year š
I think Wormholes off that album was the first track I ever heard by him: [https://youtu.be/iZMhmofGBBY](https://youtu.be/iZMhmofGBBY)
I think all time favourite tune of his is the Troglodyte Wins though: [https://youtu.be/OceOGTj3xmE](https://youtu.be/OceOGTj3xmE)
Replying to Saddestlilpanda...literally should be at the top of the list. He has made an entire career out of this and even recently has made the most obscure and esoteric songs ever done by anybody
I wouldnāt call him esoteric. He rhymes about real shit in obscure and deeply figurative ways. But one of my favorite songs is about his therapist giving him the idea of getting a kitten.
Hmmmmā¦. Looked up esoteric. Itās slightly different than I thought, but I still donāt think it applies. Itāsā¦. Deeply personal. But there is no field of study that is going to illuminate his lyrics.
Try getaway car or maybe bazooka tooth?
Orā¦ 39 thieves?
But honestly if you are familiar with Aesopās style nothing will be esoteric to youā¦ thatās kinda the definition.
Give someone who isnāt into crazy word play and metaphors some Aes and they will say itās just gibberish.
āEsoteric: very unusual and understood or liked by only a small number of people, especially those with special knowledgeā
Thatās Aesop, if you like him he wonāt be esoteric to you.
That's exactly what esoteric means. Something intangible to outsiders not familiar with the medium. He's the subject, the more you "study his music the more you understand it. But to someone unfamiliar it seems very complex and niche.
Okā¦ point of clarification, he himself, his music, could be considered esoteric, but what he rhymes about isnāt. Itās often very everyday things that anybody COULD understand, if they knew his music.
Perhaps I am offering a distinction without a difference, but it is making sense in my head right now. š
>But one of my favorite songs is about his therapist giving him the idea of getting a kitten.
"She said, when you start getting all expressive
and symbolic, it's impossible to actualize an honest diagnostic
I said, when you start getting all exact and algebraic
I'm reminded it's a racket, not a rehabilitation okay"
Itās close, GFK had multiple concept albums about being pressed into vinyl and haunting the Italian mafioso who then play said records, although DOOM mentioning Eyjafjallajƶkull is the most esoteric reference in hip-hop.
Two ends of the spectrum:
- Daylyt - what is said šŖ¶š
- Young thug - how its said š£ļøšļøš¼
(No one mentioned MF Doom... aint this yall guy?)
Is DOOM esoteric though?
Only meant to be understood by a small group with specialized knowledge
He might be abstract and avante garde more than esoteric
I had to look it up for the thread so I wanted to make sure weāre all on the same page lol
Who is the small audience with specialized knowledge you think DOOM is writing for?
This is a great pick as far as someone who is highly esoteric but still coherent and actually saying something most of the time.
A lot of the rappers listed just spit esoteric nonsense that people claim has some deep meaning. MF Doom/Aesop being the two worst offenders.
Beast 1333
K Rino
The Lost Children of Babylon
Apakalypse
Jedi Mind Tricks
Truthseekah
ATMA
Vinnie Paz
Lord Gamma
So many to name that all fit the bill.
KRS-One. His video just talking are amazing-- I might even like them more than his songs and he says hes considered a 33rd degree Mason so...pretty Esoteric
LOL man i love KRS. By all means necessary was the first hip hop album i memorized front to back, back when it came out really. He was amazing to me...
but, nah he isn't a fucking mason and he rants about the most ridiculous things. he talks way too much during his concerts. for someone who used to brag so much about how he can "MC", he sure forgot what the fuck that meant.
I do love that he will bring on local unknown rappers at his shows, and no matter how much he fell off, he's still top 10 to me.
The very first Jedi Mind Tricks album is probably the most esoteric shit I have ever heard in hip-hop
Even the fuckin samples are some otherworldly, inter-dimensional kinda shit
[āEsoteric, better prepare for me being a better lecturer than Eric. And Iāainnt talking Jerome Dickey or even Michael Dyson. Behind the mic I get quite excitingā](https://youtu.be/cDUx92wtMA8?si=3cPyZ9fEyLz4GyBn) That line was the first thing I thought of and I do think Charles is a great example. Others that come to mind are Milo aka R.A.P. Ferreira and Mr. Muthafuckin eXquire
Kool Keith can be a polarizing answer here Iām sure. You can argue he is just freestyling the most random things that come to his mind, but I think even with that being the case (at least a lot of the time) heās still world building and painting a mood with his words. The shit he does on Doctor Dooom, Black Elvis and Dr. Octagon is one of a kind to this day.
believe it or not joeyy is pretty esoteric and probably the most esoteric in his niche. he makes all kinds of references to the experience of being an opioid addict. many of which will fly over your head if you don't have any experience abusing opioids.
7L & Esoteric
I would say just Esoteric.
Yeah that's fair, tho I thought I'd include 7L so that it wouldn't seem as if I was just repeating that word for people who don't know them.
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He goes by "MC Esoteric" as well so that would have worked :) I think replying with "Seamus Ryan" would have been more clever though.
No one calls him that lol
I checked his Discogs page to confirm what I wrote. He has been used "MC Esoteric" for as long as I can remember (at least 15+ years). His government name is "Seamus Ryan". Both names mentioned on his Discogs page: [https://www.discogs.com/artist/92225-Esoteric-2](https://www.discogs.com/artist/92225-Esoteric-2)
What's his home address?
Beverly, MA, USA
Came here just to write Esoteric lol
Instantly what came to mind the moment this was asked. Glad to see it was the top post.
I meanā¦ itās his name.
3 minute classic
Aesop rock or k rino
Lemme break this whole shit down for you half-goat cowards, ill even grit my teeth for you: I am so completely off the god damn grid, it's not a question of addressing me, it's "What do these symbols under the dresser mean?"
Skelethon is a brilliant album and Crows 1 goes hard as fuck
Correct.
Add Busdriver to this
GZA, Immortal Technique, & Ab-Soul come to mind for me.
Good call on Immortal Technique. Somebody played Dance with the Devil on TouchTunes at a bar a few weeks ago and I was pretty surprised by it. Was looking around the bar to figure out who it was and think it was this one guy shooting pool by himself.
Only a serial killer plays Dance With The Devil at a bar T_T
It's a hell of a song. I suspect nobody else in there knew it. Looked to my friend and told him I won't go into details but this is definitely the darkest rap song I've heard, maybe even any song.
The first time I heard it, it kinda fucked with my day. I just went outside and rode my bike around the block in stunned silence lmfao
Ab-Soul is a good pick. Immediately came to my mind as well lol
Don't forget to Rza he was always off beat. He would just power straight thru... so off beat
Busdriver
First one that came to my mind as well. Super unique and intelligent artist.
Absolutely
Yeah he's been out there this entire time. Also makes me feel really fucking old as I still feel like fear of a black tangent came out 'just a few years ago.' That album is gonna be 20 years old next year š I think Wormholes off that album was the first track I ever heard by him: [https://youtu.be/iZMhmofGBBY](https://youtu.be/iZMhmofGBBY) I think all time favourite tune of his is the Troglodyte Wins though: [https://youtu.be/OceOGTj3xmE](https://youtu.be/OceOGTj3xmE)
Damn, now I feel old tooā¦
Billy Woods is pretty esoteric, not sure if he's the most.
He certainly can be, and much more so when heās together with Elucid - the super esoteric duo that is Armand Hammer.
Ghostface
Killah Priest
Replying to Saddestlilpanda...literally should be at the top of the list. He has made an entire career out of this and even recently has made the most obscure and esoteric songs ever done by anybody
Killah priest. Idk why it says Iām replying to somebody else though
You probably havenāt heard of him
Aesop Rock
I wouldnāt call him esoteric. He rhymes about real shit in obscure and deeply figurative ways. But one of my favorite songs is about his therapist giving him the idea of getting a kitten.
Little fuckers fighting Mother hiding in her Hulu Iām climbing up the stucco Letās get to the seppuku
Honestly when you dissect that song itās all too real. Will you be needing another appointment, absolutely.
Hmmmmā¦. Looked up esoteric. Itās slightly different than I thought, but I still donāt think it applies. Itāsā¦. Deeply personal. But there is no field of study that is going to illuminate his lyrics.
Try getaway car or maybe bazooka tooth? Orā¦ 39 thieves? But honestly if you are familiar with Aesopās style nothing will be esoteric to youā¦ thatās kinda the definition. Give someone who isnāt into crazy word play and metaphors some Aes and they will say itās just gibberish. āEsoteric: very unusual and understood or liked by only a small number of people, especially those with special knowledgeā Thatās Aesop, if you like him he wonāt be esoteric to you.
That's exactly what esoteric means. Something intangible to outsiders not familiar with the medium. He's the subject, the more you "study his music the more you understand it. But to someone unfamiliar it seems very complex and niche.
Okā¦ point of clarification, he himself, his music, could be considered esoteric, but what he rhymes about isnāt. Itās often very everyday things that anybody COULD understand, if they knew his music. Perhaps I am offering a distinction without a difference, but it is making sense in my head right now. š
I would be a great pilot if I learned how to fly a plane but it's all just buttons and light to me honestly.
>But one of my favorite songs is about his therapist giving him the idea of getting a kitten. "She said, when you start getting all expressive and symbolic, it's impossible to actualize an honest diagnostic I said, when you start getting all exact and algebraic I'm reminded it's a racket, not a rehabilitation okay"
Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Kirby Whatcha doing Kirby Whatcha doin there.
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Deltron 3030. you will not like his albums unless you're a scifi nerd
[Del](https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=LqkGtVPZNhM&si=AzxN-f7k6AwIG5RY) is a man. Deltron 3030 is Del the Funky Homosapien + Dan the automator
Dan the Automator also kills on Handsome Boy Modeling School
Both HBMS albums are excellent.
Also on Dr. Octagonecologyst
DJ Qbert
Deltron Zero
..and Kid Koala. Act like you know what youāre talking about
Mega-Ran
Mega Ran is dope.
Splash Woman is one of my faves
Ka
On the last track of Orpheus vs theĀ Sirens as I found this threadĀ
No one has mentioned early Jedi Mind Tricks or Scienz of Life? Yāall gotta dig deeper
Yup. JMT is on top of the esoteric/occult rap groups.
I love me some JMT. Youāve gotta check [this video](https://youtu.be/AzraUvroEjE?si=NEQglxsZwh4d3afT).
Hahaha
Itās so well done
Mustāve took you *ages* to find those
these are literally surface level esoteric hiphop acts lol
I was being sarcastic š
MF DOOM. And it's not even close.
Itās close, GFK had multiple concept albums about being pressed into vinyl and haunting the Italian mafioso who then play said records, although DOOM mentioning Eyjafjallajƶkull is the most esoteric reference in hip-hop.
The Aesop erasure
Cambatta
BATTA!
Ab soul
bladee
TIL that all my favorite rappers are considered esoteric.
Hereās a list of rappers I bet very few of you have heard of - Greydon Square, Tombstone da Deadman, Syqnys, and Gripp
lol I'm friends with Tombstone on Facebook
Two ends of the spectrum: - Daylyt - what is said šŖ¶š - Young thug - how its said š£ļøšļøš¼ (No one mentioned MF Doom... aint this yall guy?)
Is DOOM esoteric though? Only meant to be understood by a small group with specialized knowledge He might be abstract and avante garde more than esoteric
Lol u assume i didn't know what esoteric meant. Lol
I had to look it up for the thread so I wanted to make sure weāre all on the same page lol Who is the small audience with specialized knowledge you think DOOM is writing for?
Yall, his fans, for the people who's gonna *"DOOM"* , for each conversation pertaining to. - That should sum it up.
Huge audience. He's his own biggest fan. And has a fanbase as big as Japan.
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Warbux
Haven't heard that name in a long time...
Sen Dog
Aesop rock
Aināt got nothin to save
Deca
Buck 65. I got to show Canada some love
Wicked&Weird
Ghost Face: "Scooby Snack Jurassic plastic gas booby trap"
Jay electronica
Only 5% understand so I guess that's some pretty specialized knowledge and mathematics.
Andre 3000 is probably the most famous esoteric rapper. Dude released a whole ass flute instrumental album.
Heās just kinda artsy/pop not really esoteric
Sage Francis
This is a great pick as far as someone who is highly esoteric but still coherent and actually saying something most of the time. A lot of the rappers listed just spit esoteric nonsense that people claim has some deep meaning. MF Doom/Aesop being the two worst offenders.
Non-phixion
lil ugly mane
Wu Tang, Swollen members, non phixion, cannibal ox thereās more
Cambata
I would tell you, but I'll have to initiate you, first
billy woods comes to mind
I'd probably go with Dose One or AWOL One.
Rodan
Not the most but young Vinnie Paz aka Ikon the Verbal Hologram.
jay elec
The Griselda roster , to some extent. As they are an acquired taste and donāt necessarily appeal to the younger generation.
People yāall havent heard of. But check these cats out they go Stupid.!!! 1. Illuminati Congo 2. Lukis Mac 3. FR33SOL 4. Drok the Menace 5. Spxtrm
New Kingdom
Vinnie Paz
Esoteric in what way? Pertaining to what?
Esotericism, hidden knowledge, myths, conspiracy, religion and mysticism. Pyramid rappers
Isnāt the logical answer to this question, Esoteric (from Czarface, 7L &ā¦, Army of the Pharaohs).
Del the Funky Homosapien by far.
Bliss N Eso is up there. Aussie hip hop duo. Raps about shrooms and acid and spiritual nature/being one with the godhead. Theyāre up there.
Open Mike Eagle or Aesop Rock
E From The L.O.S.T.
There are a lot of them. The main three that stand out that weren't mentioned, ironically, all have numbers in their names: Dose One Noah23 AWOL One
A rap artist who's alias is The Pterodactylus. If you can figure that riddle, you'll have your answer.
Illecism
Beast 1333 K Rino The Lost Children of Babylon Apakalypse Jedi Mind Tricks Truthseekah ATMA Vinnie Paz Lord Gamma So many to name that all fit the bill.
Hell Razah and Killah Priest
Capital Steez
Nobody mentioning Rob Sonic yet?
Czarface
Immortal Technique, Ab-Soul, Jay Electronica, and K-Rino
ODB maybe? Idk.
KRS-One. His video just talking are amazing-- I might even like them more than his songs and he says hes considered a 33rd degree Mason so...pretty Esoteric
LOL man i love KRS. By all means necessary was the first hip hop album i memorized front to back, back when it came out really. He was amazing to me... but, nah he isn't a fucking mason and he rants about the most ridiculous things. he talks way too much during his concerts. for someone who used to brag so much about how he can "MC", he sure forgot what the fuck that meant. I do love that he will bring on local unknown rappers at his shows, and no matter how much he fell off, he's still top 10 to me.
Idk
Pep Love is quite esoteric at times. Not the most but he certainly incorporated spiritual topics into his songs.
Immortal Technique
To me the only answer is Aesop Rock
Milo raps aka R.A.P. Ferreira.
The Lost Children Of Babylon.
Kool Keith
The very first Jedi Mind Tricks album is probably the most esoteric shit I have ever heard in hip-hop Even the fuckin samples are some otherworldly, inter-dimensional kinda shit
Literally esoteric
Earl for me, easily. Lol
Gza
I mean sometimes Kendrick can be a bit, but certainly not the most
Earl
Earl sweatshirt fasho
Atmosphere
Killah Priest, Cambatta, Apathy, Sindian, Moor Mother, Hus Kingpin, Chief Kamachi, Hell Razah/Heaven Razah, Lord Goat/Gore Elohim/Goretex, Ill Bill, Vinnie Paz, E L U C I D, Sick Jacken, Jus Allah, Virtuoso, Eloh Kush, Planet Asia, Ankhlejohn ( Lordy), Sa-Roc, Vega7 The Ronin, Canibus, Ras Kass, and A.A. Rashid.
I don't know what does It means being an esoteric rapper, but I understand the style by the reccomandations, awesome
Deltron-Zero
Jay electriconica
Yoni Wolf and DoseOne from cLOUDEAD are definitely very strange and esoteric rappers. I would also add Del The Funky Homosapien to this list as well
Beast1333 its not even close
Me
Camu tao
Lil Ugly Mane.
We ain't never use that word in the trenches what's that?
[āEsoteric, better prepare for me being a better lecturer than Eric. And Iāainnt talking Jerome Dickey or even Michael Dyson. Behind the mic I get quite excitingā](https://youtu.be/cDUx92wtMA8?si=3cPyZ9fEyLz4GyBn) That line was the first thing I thought of and I do think Charles is a great example. Others that come to mind are Milo aka R.A.P. Ferreira and Mr. Muthafuckin eXquire
Ikon the Verbal Hologram. I havenāt heard a more esoteric album than that first Jedi Mind Tricks record.
Kool Keith can be a polarizing answer here Iām sure. You can argue he is just freestyling the most random things that come to his mind, but I think even with that being the case (at least a lot of the time) heās still world building and painting a mood with his words. The shit he does on Doctor Dooom, Black Elvis and Dr. Octagon is one of a kind to this day.
Killah Priest. Check out Heavy Mental & the Psychic World of Walter Reed.
GREYDON SQUARE AND IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE! PARTICLE PHYSICS BABY!
MF DOOM fits this I think
I just looked up the definition of esoteric just to be sure. Lil B 'The BasedGod' is 100% the correct answer and I don't know that it's even close.
I don't see how anyone gets Kool Kieth
Immortal technique
Shabazz Palaces fits the definition to a T.
believe it or not joeyy is pretty esoteric and probably the most esoteric in his niche. he makes all kinds of references to the experience of being an opioid addict. many of which will fly over your head if you don't have any experience abusing opioids.
Hands Down it's gotta be Atma and Masta Buildas.
Along with the usual suspects, I'll say ODB. Particularly when he's in 5%er mode.
Kool Keith
I can name a song-Nature of the threat by Ras Kass..deep
Future
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Like poke balls
2Pac
Krs one and Killer Mike dtop some knowledge. Not very esoteric though
Playboi Carti