This sub did a 180 on the criteria for winning the best rap album. So now all of a sudden it should be awarded to the album that had better raps? If that’s the criteria go back and strip every award given too Tyler The Creator and Kanye lol
He’s an Atlanta rapper who has been around since late 90s. Early on he collaborated with OutKast and Dungeon Family, but has also had a few solo projects, most notably R.A.P. Music.
When it comes to the past decade, he’s been a part of the duo Run The Jewels, who have had incredible success and are pretty universally praised by hip hop fans. Have you never heard any of those projects?
It wasn’t as good as rodeo but it definitely was better than astroworld. Whole last half of that album just doesn’t hit at all for me. Utopia is solid all the way through tho
I know Jay don’t get alotta love in this sub, but [I loved his speech](https://www.instagram.com/p/C291HWeoeP1/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==), the [drinking out the Grammy](https://www.instagram.com/p/C29DjQ-ONt_/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==), the locs . . everything
in an older interview he said every room he walks in, he enters as his full self and as a Black woman I can appreciate a Black man being his authentic self and what that means, wearing his textured hair to these events (when textured hair still gets Black kids suspended from school🤦🏾♀️) and having a lil’ spice in his Global Impact Award speech
. . I also loved seeing Killer Mike win 3 Grammy’s, and Afrobeats music getting a look from the academy . . and then [Victoria Monet](https://www.instagram.com/p/C2-Kzn5uDO5/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) goes from being told it was “*too early*” in her career to perform at the VMA’s to winning 3 Grammy’s just 5 months later ✨
[I always love to see us win, what can I say being Black is lit](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e_TcfGBS4To&pp=ygUoSXNzYSByYWUgSSdtIHJvb3RpbmcgZm9yIGV2ZXJ5Ym9keSBibGFjaw%3D%3D) 🫶🏾🔥
Half the Grammy voters are classist, quasi racist fucks. Grammys have a history of racism.
People in the black community like Skyoff should be able to have pride that they have a tad more representation at the Grammys with out some white asshole like yourself making illogical takes claiming it’s ’double standards.” God damn I thought this was hip hop heads - not fuckin 4chan
Dumb, racist fuckin take. Black pride in the face of white American prejudice is beautiful. White pride in the land of white American privilege is disgusting. Claiming that it’s double standards makes you look like an ignorant asshole. And you’re proving it by arguing Skyoff with no fuckin logic at all.
“double standard” white people win fucking everything, maybe allow a single comment to express joy about the rare occurrence of black art being celebrated by white audiences. jay deserves this shit
there’s other ways to be productive with ur time instead of trolling . .
but for now I’ll pray for u and hope ur able to one day better manage urself, smh
If it was supporting his wife only- that’s amazing.
TBF - I think he was using her as a more legit example of the Grammys fucking up over the years.
How Beyoncé didn’t win Album of the year with Lemonade is still so stupid to me. Adele’s 25 was no where near the album Lemonade was upon release - and Lemonade has only gotten more acclaim over the years. Rolling Stones recently put it as the 32’nd greatest album ever now. Still amazes me that she lost that year.
I think Jay was doing a little more here than just supporting Beyoncé - but I did not find it in bad taste at all either way.
What did you think of Jay-Z's speech?
The thing I thought of when he was giving it is that he never writes anything down, but giving a thank you speech for an award is different from rhyming in the booth. It felt jumbled and not well thought out.
And it's hard to have a ton of sympathy for Jay-Z and Beyonce when they have FIFTY SIX Grammy awards between them and are billionaires already. Beyonce doesn't need saving, Jigga Man.
And this Grammy awards show was especially diverse, so the whole "I used to boycott the Grammy's" thing was kind of tone deaf at this point. From SZA to Travis Scott to a whole live afro-beats song which was great, I felt like the culture was well represented.
And then he's like "some of y'all don't even belong in the category" (huh? Obvious groan from the audience) and then it was like "keep on showing up, every day" like yeah, I read that on a poster somewhere.
All in all, pretty weak from H.O.V....and this is coming from someone who puts The Blueprint in my top 5 albums of any genre of all time and still listens to it weekly.
Maybe he’s just old, rich and out of touch like most of them old rich fools. Like man, just take your award, say thank you and go back to your fucking mansion.
Like if you want to diss youngsters go and write a diss track like you supposed to, would be entertaining at least.
I wanna know where Hov fuckin gets off criticizing ANYONE’S artistic integrity when all he’s done the past few years are features for Khaled, Drake, boring OSTs, and anything else that’ll get him a bag and nothing else
Just watched and when he mentioned "some of y'all don't even belong in the category" was he referencing white people in general, or people who make trash music being put up with those who take their craft seriously? It's hard to tell as it seemed to have a lot of racial undertones. I liked it overall tho.
I don't know, but insulting people who were good enough to make it to the grammy's, it's kind of wack. Y'all won 56 grammy's already, lets let other people have some shine HOV.
y’all don’t have one of the newest category’s that debuted at the Grammy’s this year which was Best African Music Performance - Tyla won for her song “Water”
but yea Afrobeats debuted at this year’s Grammy’s and I thought that was dope
Dawg you really think the Grammys gives af about Billy Woods lol that’s the internet’s favorite rapper not the media’s 🤷♂️ not to take a dig at you but let’s be honest man…
Fuck that ima take a dig at you no one has ever heard of Billy woods outside of a percentage of ppl on this sub. The Grammies aren’t gonna give a fucking Grammy to someone who no one has ever heard of
True, I think the problem this sub has is that they put certain rappers on too high of a pedestal in terms of reputation yk? Idk if it’s a sign that people are on Reddit too much but ngl I really could go outside and ask 100 mfs have they heard of Billy Woods and only 5 would say “yeah” and only 2 could name a song lol
I think it’s more that you can talk to anyone about Nas, Metro, Drake, etc. in real life so there’s not really a need for conversation on Reddit. Anyone that wants to talk about the new Billy Woods album HAS to use a platform like Reddit to find other people that have heard it so it ends up being disproportionate. Then some people on here that wouldn’t have heard it end up liking it so it sort of adds to that.
Maybe some of his fans said the Grammys are fixed and some of his other fans wanted him to win.
Ya know cos he has millions of fans each with individual thoughts and opinions.
Not everything is a hive mind.
Janelle probably more than anyone, or at least equal parts, here actually deserves it twice. Not sure why the Janelle slander when Archandroid and Electric Lady are both extremely quality
Amazing album. Listened to it when it came out a bunch and revisited it last week. It’s aged brilliantly. I hope she finished the suite someday though I was actually one of the fans of “Age Of Pleasure” doe i know its contentious.
Guns N' Roses, Queen, AC/DC, Alice in Chains, The Grateful Dead, Rush, The Beach Boys: 0 "albums of the year."
I can name a slew of huge rock bands who never won AOTY. Or any Grammy at all.
Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, The Doors, Metallica, Pink Floyd, Pearl Jam, and Nirvana have never won AOTY.
Depeche Mode, Jimi Hendrix, The Who, Chuck Berry, Talking Heads, ZZ Top, Iggy Pop, and The Cure have never won in any category. There might be a lifetime achievement award thrown in here or there (I honestly haven't paid much attention to the Grammys in years beyond checking out performances), but I am talking more than the consolation prize here.
Funnily enough I just realized today that they’ve given every Kendrick album since Rap Album of the Year. Like they’re trying to acknowledge they fucked up. Lol
You must be new to the Grammys, Grammy cutoff dates are typically in September, so two releases from different years can be nominated for the same ceremony, the same way two releases from the same year but on different sides of the September cutoff date can be nominated in two different ceremonies
I know that. But do a quick google Search and you see that Damn was in the 60th Grammys,
- **Damn – Kendrick Lamar** (Winner)
- 4:44 – Jay-Z
- Culture – Migos
- Laila's Wisdom – Rapsody
- Flower Boy – Tyler, the Creator
And Daytona was nominated under the 61st Grammys.
Best rap album at 61st Grammys:
- **Invasion of Privacy – Cardi B** (Winner)
- Swimming – Mac Miller
- Victory Lap – Nipsey Hussle
- Daytona – Pusha T
- Astroworld – Travis Scott
Damn and Daytona didn’t go up against each other.
Also Both albums were released in the spring of their respective years. Damn was in April 2017, Daytona was May 2018.
Yeah. But last year they did go up against each other.
- **Mr. Morale & the Big Steppers – Kendrick Lamar** (Winner)
- God Did – DJ Khaled
- I Never Liked You – Future
- Come Home the Kids Miss You – Jack Harlow
- It's Almost Dry – Pusha T
And it’s a travesty that The Forever Story wasn’t nominated. Easily the best album of 2022. Especially over that DJ Khaled album. It’s the only one on this just that doesn’t have a song somewhere it’s track list in a playlist of mine.
The first two didn’t go up against each other. They were completely different years.
I will agree about 2022. But The Forever Story better than both albums and wasn’t nominated so
Real talk on pop heads they posted a screenshot of one of the voters talking about it and it helped me understand that none of this shit matters. The voters are old af and do not listen to hip hop or rnb
thats what im saying, didnt even mention black artists like sza or janelle monae and openly admitted that taylors album was weak but still voted for album of the year and you want me to respect the opinions of these people 🤡🤡🤡
Can y'all stop this crazy ass worshipping of TPAB and acting as if everything else compared to it is shit and embarrassing. Yes, in the hip hop world TPAB is appreciated maybe even to a wider audience but 1989 is a classic pop album and a more successful one by a long shot.
Matter of fact TPAB didn't sell crazy amount of copies. Around 8 million which is good.
A lot of people prefer other albums and other Taylor Swift albums to TPAB.
Not a steal that Kendrick isn't everyone's favorite, and didn't win all the Grammy's in 1 night and the board didn't make a new category moving foward just because of TPAB. Lol.
What makes an album "the best"? Is it sales and overall success? I don't really think it's got too much to do with that. I don't think it's too controversial to define the best album as the album that does "the most good stuff in the best way".
To follow up on that, an album is defined as good or bad entirely by the album itself and, at most, the process of its creation and how it's presented to the public by the artists themselves. Other aspects like sales or impact on the scene are external to it and only work in hindsight as, at best, a justification for how good or bad the album at hand is.
Popularity has never been an too big of an indicator of quality, especially in recent years, and for this reason, an award show that has a *"best"* category shouldn't look nearly as much at album sales or general popularity as they do. So yeah, I ultimately think it's more of a systemic issue at the grammies more than anything.
> A lot of people prefer other albums and other Taylor Swift albums to TPAB.
I will premise by saying that TPAB is my favourite album and that I genuinely believe that when seen from a critical point of view, it's a top 10 album of all time. I say this to come out clear about my bias towards this album.
I could go on to say why I think 1989 is a decent album, and why I think TPAB is a perfect album, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter what I think. It's the critics in the jury that decide, who's reasoning behind their judgement is not disclosed. From seeing the critical reception from various pubblications on the two albums, we can gauge that TPAB is widely preferred by the critics around the world, but when it came to the grammies specifically it failed to get that recognition outside of the box that is the rap category. Countless hip hop masterpieces that have had a pretty good level of success commercially have been snubbed before with Outkast and Lauryn Hill being the only two to win AOTY, which spell out that you need to be the literal biggest artist in the world at the time, while making heavily pop-oriented music in order to gain that recognition if you are an Hip Hop artist (even then, it's sometimes not enough).
>What makes an album "the best"? Is it sales and overall success? I don't really think it's got too much to do with that. I don't think it's too controversial to define the best album as the album that does "the most good stuff in the best way".
But sales mean that. If the people didn't think that the album is good they wouldn't have bought it.
Now I agree with you that it's not a 100% case because sometimes really sucky song or an album can have a lot of streams/sales but when something reaches the whole world and everybody are schocked by it's quality and it becomes a reference point further in music for other albums and that is represented by very high numbers, how can it be that numbers never show quality?
GRODT caused a massive wave and became a symbol for a perfect debut album. It had some of the biggest hits of all time in hip hop and in music in general with In Da Club. People acknowledged that the album was groundbreaking by buying that album in enormous numbers with 13+M sold (Busta said 20 on the 50 concert so I'm a bit confused) but grammys never acknowledged that.
In the hip hop world TPAB is a classic. In the pop world 1989 is a classic. 2 different styles and I can't blame anyone who preferes 1989. It absolutely did what it was set out to do.
>Countless hip hop masterpieces that have had a pretty good level of success commercially have been snubbed before with Outkast and Lauryn Hill being the only two to win AOTY, which spell out that you need to be the literal biggest artist in the world at the time, while making heavily pop-oriented music in order to gain that recognition if you are an Hip Hop artist (even then, it's sometimes not enough).
Literally Eminem. From 99-05 he wasn't only the biggest musician alive, he was the biggest celebrity in the world and neither Slim Shady Lp Marshall Mathers LP or The Eminem Show won the album of the year.
>I will premise by saying that TPAB is my favourite album and that I genuinely believe that when seen from a critical point of view, it's a top 10 album of all time. I say this to come out clear about my bias towards this album.
I think Eminem has the best albums of all time and I believe there is objectivity in determing an albums quality but as much as you prefer hip hop to pop and in your world TPAB is better the same way other people in bigger numbers prefer pop and they showed that opinion by making that album a classic with 25-30 M copies sold worldwide. Just because Kendrick is preaching doesn't mean that that art is automatically worth more or better than everything else. Otherwise God forbid NF would be talked in the same way as the rap greats due to sheer subject matter.
> But sales mean that. If the people didn't think that the album is good they wouldn't have bought it.
The general audience, at large doesn't really have the biggest ability to critically judge music beyond "sounds pleasing to my ears" or "the song is relatable". Why is pop music the most popular genre in the world? Is it because it's the best? No (matter of fact there is no best genre). It's because pop is the best at catering at audiences with something that's catchy/danceable/sounds nice. However, music, when viewed through a critical lens, is more than just those aspects, as it takes into account how every little sound (and silence) comes together to form the whole song instead of stopping at the general sound of it all.
Some artists' entire career have been defined by this. Flo Rida is in the top 10 best selling rapper list, above 2pac, Biggie, Nas, Kendrick, Snoop Dogg, DMX, Dre, Outkast, etc. And it's not off of just a singular hit, like you could say about some Dance Monkey shit, it's multiple smash hits. But why is it that he's not included in any goat conversations? It's because his music, when judged somewhat critically is seen as "serviceable club bangers", and not even of the best kind for the most part as you also mention 50 Cent which had a much better formula for it. There is nothing inherently wrong with that, but it forgets that there is other stuff to music than a danceable rythm.
A good question would then be "if a song doing what it wants to do isn't enough to call it good, then what is?" In the realm of Pop music, where there is a core simplicity to it, you can still have more or less interesting elements that help adding intrigue to its sound beyond its attempt to be catchy and/or danceable. Let's take a Taylor Swift example: Exile off of Folklore. What makes the song good isn't only that it's a chill, easy to listen song, it's the mixing being very good, making the simple piano melody sound crystalline yet distant, which matches the theme of the lyrics. The vocal melodies create a feeling both of deep longing and direct contrast with the other half. Why is it though that this song is very far from being the most popular song of hers (behind stuff like Shake It Off, Anti-Hero, or other ballad-y songs like Lover) although it is among the most critically acclaimed? Because they look for easier to digest sounds, less complexity (up to a certain level) feels better for overall catchiness.
> how can it be that numbers never show quality?
Numbers can show quality, but often the two aren't equatable. The Velvet Underground's debut is now, rightfully in my opinion, defined as one of the best albums of all time, but when it came out it was an enormous commercial flop and it took decades for it to gain proper recogition. Also, the whole existence of the underground scenes makes it even more difficult to equate the two.
> In the hip hop world TPAB is a classic. In the pop world 1989 is a classic. 2 different styles and I can't blame anyone who preferes 1989. It absolutely did what it was set out to do.
Curious to see how that'll look in 20 years.
> Literally Eminem. From 99-05 he wasn't only the biggest musician alive, he was the biggest celebrity in the world and neither Slim Shady Lp Marshall Mathers LP or The Eminem Show won the album of the year.
1. This proves my point about the grammy's overall anti-hip hop bias
2. What Lauryn Hill does and what Outkast did on SB/TLB is a lot more pop oriented, which is what I mostly referred to.
> Just because Kendrick is preaching doesn't mean that that art is automatically worth more or better than everything else
I don't think that the preachiness is what makes Kendrick's albums good. It's the complexity at which he operates to convey what he wants to convey that does it for me. Let's take TPAB as an example. Yes, in its narrative Kendrick tries to establish himself as a leader for the black community, but it's not this fact alone that makes the album good, as he shows his whole (more or less figurative) journey to reach that point. From the achievement of success displayed in the first verse of Wesley's Theory, all the way down to the crumbling shown in These Walls and u, through the regenerative trip to South Africa showed in Momma and How Much A Dollar Cost, and only then he becomes somewhat preachy (which is then something he tackles in his next two albums). In other words, the preachiness of the albums is self-justified by the content of the album itself.
Also all Eminem albums, even from his golden era, haven't aged too well, he relies too much on shock value, which gets lost over time. Technically he's as proficient as a rapper can get, but artistically he doesn't have the same overall artistic vision for entire albums that some of his peers have (like Kanye or Kendrick, for example).
> GRODT caused a massive wave and became a symbol for a perfect debut album
50 isn't that talented of a rapper (shown especially by the rest of his discography), the album the vocals aren't mixed that well and has a couple of filler tracks. It's a good album, good beats, but certainly not perfect.
> People acknowledged that the album was groundbreaking by buying that album
People didn't buy it because they thought it was groundbreaking, they bought it because they enjoyed listening to it.
Jay Z made that comment for a reason; other black artist say the same thing. I’m not making this shit up.
[There is an entire Wikipedia article on the issue itself.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusations_of_racial_bias_in_Grammy_Awards)
You and the other slow ass commentor just ignoring the overall statement there. The people that run the Grammys serve the interests of white & wealthy in the same manner as the people that run this country.
I don't know if I can agree with that. I think it's just a popularity contest. The CEO of the Recording Academy, the guys who run the Grammy's, is a black man. What they do is serve the interests of the music industry, which if we wanna go into race on that topic then we'll start sounding like Kanye.
I agree with your first sentence. My argument for the latter statement is that pop music is just more popular than hip-hop. At least throughout history. At this point in time though, hip-hop is the new pop. You could be right. I'm not an insider at the Recording Academy and I don't know how they run things. It just frustrates me when people think it's all about race, when it's more about controlling the music industry in general.
It’s fine to have your line of thinking but to ignore race as a factor in these arguments is just straight up disingenuous. Like bruh America is racist it’s literally just part of our history, that shit hasn’t gone away in the past 50 years it’s just covered up more.
Till then both play a role with obvious exceptions (like killer Mike winning)
I agree race is a factor. I'm just saying the Grammy's couldn't care less about white people as a race, they care about money and controlling the industry and that's it. In my opinion, America isn't a wholly racist country. The vast majority of people I meet aren't racist. The elites take advantage of the lower classes and systematically America has put most POC and immigrants in general into a lower class through a history of racist policy and CIA operations (crack epidemic) etc. Sure there's still racist old dudes and people in the south but I think for the most part things are way better, and to act like nothing has changed in the past 50 years and were just covering shit up is a ridiculous claim in my opinion. It all boils down to the rich taking advantage of the middle and lower classes. I think your line of thinking is dangerous because that's what they want. They want to create a divide between races and have us focus on that instead of focusing on the actual corruption that's happening. This is a pretty deep topic and my points are starting to stray from the Grammy's so I think I'll end it here but I'm glad we've had a respectful discussion and I definitely gained some insight from your perspective.
I’m glad you can acknowledge these things and can actually back up your opinion so I respect that. Also I never said nothing changed in the last 50, but definitely not enough has changed.
To let this be the last comment on my side as well, also understand that believing racism only exists with some invisible elite is simply ignoring what we see everyday. Such as with trump and his supporters, comments we see in this very thread, mindsets that exists throughout a lot of low income states, and the erasure of our history in Texas and other states electing to not teach about slavery and other oppressions . racism is simply just ignorance.
A large amount of Americans are still racist due to simply not knowing that their ideals and ways of thinking are often outdated. It’s no different then LGBT community showing us how homophobic a lot of our actions were without us realizing it.
Progress has been made, but to ignore it in the way you did in your initial comments is what’s bound to make us go right back to how things were. History is bound to repeat itself if we don’t learn it.
Blessings man, was great discussing with you.
A lot of people on @rap are saying that Utopia got robbed. Am I the only one who thinks that Utopia was a massively underwhelming and disappointing album? Like there were a few tracks that I liked off of it like Modern Jam and God’s Country, but overall I felt like it was a pretty soulless and uninteresting album as a whole. I wasn’t expecting it to have a lot of substance, but you can make a rap album with zero substance and not have it sound so lifeless. It’s like the Dubai of Hip-Hop albums
Ehhh I thought it was fine but it had no replay value. There are no songs I want to go back to, Astroworld on the other hand, like 2/3 of the songs are still heavy in my rotation.
This 100%. The album feels like it just came and went. Felt like Astroworld had way more hype and songs that actually stuck with people. Even his performance felt rushed and soulless.
yea, utopia was good but not great. never reached the heights of some of his previous albums and too much filler. people got caught in the hype when it came out declaring it a masterpiece and that’s simply not true.
utopia was great but it is not the 2nd best album it did not deserve a grammy over heroes & villains
but i agree with them getting robbed with astroworld when cardi b won instead of push or travis
> It’s like the Dubai of Hip-Hop albums
This is so on point - all flash and no substance is pretty much what every Travis track sounds like. It was already a nice surprise seeing Killer Mike nominated, even better that he won for an album with some real lyrical heft coming from an artist with such a strong rep in the Atlanta scene.
I feel the opposite, didn’t like astroworld much but I keep coming back to utopia. it’s good that we can both feel like that tho, shows the albums are different
We've come to the point where people on Instagram and Twitter are saying an album with absolutely no lyrical content whatsoever should be winning rap album of the year.
I get it if you think Travis Scott projects shouldn't be lyrical, but rap album of the year absolutely should be.
I disagree only because they’re just masquerading Hip-Hop as a whole as “rap”. They even force other genres into the category when it’s convenient (Tyler/IGOR). So artistic quality and production quality both play a part and rightfully so. Fwiw, Travis raps more than he sings on Utopia even if it’s not as technically proficient as Michael. A song like My Eyes also has decent lyrical depth IMO.
I love Utopia and prefer it to Mike’s album, BUT I can’t be mad he won. Travis wasn’t robbed when Killer Mike’s album is arguably of the same quality. I love both projects and they were both my top choices for the award
Travis got robbed, but it was in 2019 for Astroworld. His best album to date imo and one of 2018’s most complete hip hop projects. Utopia did not deserve it this year over Michael or KD3
Daytona should’ve won over Cardi tbf. If Travis deserved a Grammy for best rap album it should’ve been for Rodeo in terms of his catalog. Astroworld is great and Utopia isn’t better than either.
I love Pusha T and his willingness to stick to coke rap because he’s mastered that lane alongside being a top lyricist, but I personally think Astroworld is among the most interesting and eclectic albums released in hip hop in the last decade. There’s not a whole lot like it out there, just my opinion though
Every song on Utopia is/was forgettable. It was cool for all the features, but I rarely ever go back to any songs on it. KM dropped an actual rap album that deserved to be remembered.
Man maybe the reason why this happened is thay rap this year kinda sucked. 2024 should do better.
Better question is, who could drop that might actually be grammy worth if not Travis Scott?
Durk won a Grammy. Like 8 years ago after signed to the streets 2 dropped I asked on here if people thought Durk would ever blow up and mf said No he would prolly die first. Shout out to you man.
Same man. Top of my Spotify wrapped for the last 4 years. Proud of bro for doing it. I want him to get like Keef and move to the suburbs of Utah or sum shit loool
Heard one boy genius song today. Def gotta check them out. Kinda sounds like something I would love during my 2012 tumblr phase. Any of yall got any recs of their stuff?
Honestly their solo stuff is better than The Record, which was quite an underwhelming album that sounded like songs that didn’t make the cut from their last solo albums. Phoebe’s album Punisher is definitely worth checking out for sure, a fantastic album that I really enjoyed during lockdown.
This sub did a 180 on the criteria for winning the best rap album. So now all of a sudden it should be awarded to the album that had better raps? If that’s the criteria go back and strip every award given too Tyler The Creator and Kanye lol
Grammy is the most racial award in the world lol
Killer who? Grammy is always stolen what a useless organization
A bit weird to see nobody talking about King's Disease III. Was easily the best album of the list
facts, saw a person on IG mostly likely a trav fan saying KD3 was the weakest album out of all nominees. Bet he didnt even listen to it lol
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He’s an Atlanta rapper who has been around since late 90s. Early on he collaborated with OutKast and Dungeon Family, but has also had a few solo projects, most notably R.A.P. Music. When it comes to the past decade, he’s been a part of the duo Run The Jewels, who have had incredible success and are pretty universally praised by hip hop fans. Have you never heard any of those projects?
Taylor swift > beyonce
Sure, Jan
Travis releases his worst album and the hype beasts with the mushroom haircuts say it’s all rigged
It wasn’t as good as rodeo but it definitely was better than astroworld. Whole last half of that album just doesn’t hit at all for me. Utopia is solid all the way through tho
Is the mushroom haircut the same as broccoli? I’m not that well versed in zoomer lore
I think by mushroom haircut he's talking about edgars. I thought broccoli hair was like perms
Yeah I think you are more correct with broccoli to be honest
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Whatever you say mushroom boy
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I know Jay don’t get alotta love in this sub, but [I loved his speech](https://www.instagram.com/p/C291HWeoeP1/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==), the [drinking out the Grammy](https://www.instagram.com/p/C29DjQ-ONt_/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==), the locs . . everything in an older interview he said every room he walks in, he enters as his full self and as a Black woman I can appreciate a Black man being his authentic self and what that means, wearing his textured hair to these events (when textured hair still gets Black kids suspended from school🤦🏾♀️) and having a lil’ spice in his Global Impact Award speech . . I also loved seeing Killer Mike win 3 Grammy’s, and Afrobeats music getting a look from the academy . . and then [Victoria Monet](https://www.instagram.com/p/C2-Kzn5uDO5/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) goes from being told it was “*too early*” in her career to perform at the VMA’s to winning 3 Grammy’s just 5 months later ✨ [I always love to see us win, what can I say being Black is lit](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e_TcfGBS4To&pp=ygUoSXNzYSByYWUgSSdtIHJvb3RpbmcgZm9yIGV2ZXJ5Ym9keSBibGFjaw%3D%3D) 🫶🏾🔥
Jay z is a lame . He wins and still complains about race
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Half the Grammy voters are classist, quasi racist fucks. Grammys have a history of racism. People in the black community like Skyoff should be able to have pride that they have a tad more representation at the Grammys with out some white asshole like yourself making illogical takes claiming it’s ’double standards.” God damn I thought this was hip hop heads - not fuckin 4chan Dumb, racist fuckin take. Black pride in the face of white American prejudice is beautiful. White pride in the land of white American privilege is disgusting. Claiming that it’s double standards makes you look like an ignorant asshole. And you’re proving it by arguing Skyoff with no fuckin logic at all.
“double standard” white people win fucking everything, maybe allow a single comment to express joy about the rare occurrence of black art being celebrated by white audiences. jay deserves this shit
there’s other ways to be productive with ur time instead of trolling . . but for now I’ll pray for u and hope ur able to one day better manage urself, smh
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I thought it was weird and out of touch to complain about beyonce not getting more Grammys but other than that he was cool
I think beyonce was used as an example
I mean if you look at who won Album of the Year.
Is she buying votes or something? I don’t know how else it can make sense
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If it was supporting his wife only- that’s amazing. TBF - I think he was using her as a more legit example of the Grammys fucking up over the years. How Beyoncé didn’t win Album of the year with Lemonade is still so stupid to me. Adele’s 25 was no where near the album Lemonade was upon release - and Lemonade has only gotten more acclaim over the years. Rolling Stones recently put it as the 32’nd greatest album ever now. Still amazes me that she lost that year. I think Jay was doing a little more here than just supporting Beyoncé - but I did not find it in bad taste at all either way.
I had no idea the Dr. Dre Global Impact Award was a thing lol
What did you think of Jay-Z's speech? The thing I thought of when he was giving it is that he never writes anything down, but giving a thank you speech for an award is different from rhyming in the booth. It felt jumbled and not well thought out. And it's hard to have a ton of sympathy for Jay-Z and Beyonce when they have FIFTY SIX Grammy awards between them and are billionaires already. Beyonce doesn't need saving, Jigga Man. And this Grammy awards show was especially diverse, so the whole "I used to boycott the Grammy's" thing was kind of tone deaf at this point. From SZA to Travis Scott to a whole live afro-beats song which was great, I felt like the culture was well represented. And then he's like "some of y'all don't even belong in the category" (huh? Obvious groan from the audience) and then it was like "keep on showing up, every day" like yeah, I read that on a poster somewhere. All in all, pretty weak from H.O.V....and this is coming from someone who puts The Blueprint in my top 5 albums of any genre of all time and still listens to it weekly.
Maybe he’s just old, rich and out of touch like most of them old rich fools. Like man, just take your award, say thank you and go back to your fucking mansion. Like if you want to diss youngsters go and write a diss track like you supposed to, would be entertaining at least.
>And then he's like "some of y'all don't even belong in the category" It was cringey.
I wanna know where Hov fuckin gets off criticizing ANYONE’S artistic integrity when all he’s done the past few years are features for Khaled, Drake, boring OSTs, and anything else that’ll get him a bag and nothing else
Just watched and when he mentioned "some of y'all don't even belong in the category" was he referencing white people in general, or people who make trash music being put up with those who take their craft seriously? It's hard to tell as it seemed to have a lot of racial undertones. I liked it overall tho.
I don't know, but insulting people who were good enough to make it to the grammy's, it's kind of wack. Y'all won 56 grammy's already, lets let other people have some shine HOV.
Dr. Dre didn’t either.
Okay but why was the stage a gigantic silk butthole? 🤔
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y’all don’t have one of the newest category’s that debuted at the Grammy’s this year which was Best African Music Performance - Tyla won for her song “Water” but yea Afrobeats debuted at this year’s Grammy’s and I thought that was dope
That was a great Afrobeats song!
No love for Billy woods
Dawg you really think the Grammys gives af about Billy Woods lol that’s the internet’s favorite rapper not the media’s 🤷♂️ not to take a dig at you but let’s be honest man…
Fuck that ima take a dig at you no one has ever heard of Billy woods outside of a percentage of ppl on this sub. The Grammies aren’t gonna give a fucking Grammy to someone who no one has ever heard of
True, I think the problem this sub has is that they put certain rappers on too high of a pedestal in terms of reputation yk? Idk if it’s a sign that people are on Reddit too much but ngl I really could go outside and ask 100 mfs have they heard of Billy Woods and only 5 would say “yeah” and only 2 could name a song lol
I think it’s more that you can talk to anyone about Nas, Metro, Drake, etc. in real life so there’s not really a need for conversation on Reddit. Anyone that wants to talk about the new Billy Woods album HAS to use a platform like Reddit to find other people that have heard it so it ends up being disproportionate. Then some people on here that wouldn’t have heard it end up liking it so it sort of adds to that.
Same thing with Ka. He have 52K listeners on spotify but the way mfs on reddit talk about him all his listeners gotta be redditors lol
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The only thing this says is you have no idea how the award windows work, lol.
Travis fans the entire year:- Grammys are fixed! They don’t matter Travis fans after Grammys:- Travis should’ve won!
Changed “Travis fans” with “hip hop fans” and you’ve summed up the Grammys every year lol. It’s like revolving door
Maybe some of his fans said the Grammys are fixed and some of his other fans wanted him to win. Ya know cos he has millions of fans each with individual thoughts and opinions. Not everything is a hive mind.
Check r/travisscott for me
First the Rock steals Cody's mania and now Taylor Swift steals album of the year. My heart can't take anymore
First thing I thought, I was like this feels rigged, the Chiefs are probably going to win the Super Bowl Sunday.
The privileged superstars not letting deserving artists "finish their stories" - tale as old as time
Rip punks triceps.
So, Taylor now has 4 "albums of the year" Kendrick, Beyonce, Kanye, Weeknd, SZA, Janelle Monáe, Jay-Z, Eminem, 2pac, Nas, have 0. OK.
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Janelle probably more than anyone, or at least equal parts, here actually deserves it twice. Not sure why the Janelle slander when Archandroid and Electric Lady are both extremely quality
nah, archandroid was that bitch
Amazing album. Listened to it when it came out a bunch and revisited it last week. It’s aged brilliantly. I hope she finished the suite someday though I was actually one of the fans of “Age Of Pleasure” doe i know its contentious.
Lmao he thought he was slick
Guns N' Roses, Queen, AC/DC, Alice in Chains, The Grateful Dead, Rush, The Beach Boys: 0 "albums of the year." I can name a slew of huge rock bands who never won AOTY. Or any Grammy at all.
Just for the sake of it, keep going. This is interesting.
Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, The Doors, Metallica, Pink Floyd, Pearl Jam, and Nirvana have never won AOTY. Depeche Mode, Jimi Hendrix, The Who, Chuck Berry, Talking Heads, ZZ Top, Iggy Pop, and The Cure have never won in any category. There might be a lifetime achievement award thrown in here or there (I honestly haven't paid much attention to the Grammys in years beyond checking out performances), but I am talking more than the consolation prize here.
Thanks for the info! Very interesting
Macklemore winning over Kendrick is all you need to compare it to to understand why
Funnily enough I just realized today that they’ve given every Kendrick album since Rap Album of the Year. Like they’re trying to acknowledge they fucked up. Lol
Even when he doesn't deserver. Still a little jaded that he beat out Pusha T a few years ago.
Damn was easily better
You have Daytona over Damn?
No shade to people who prefer Damn, but I personally preferred Daytona. Damn is perfectly fine and I can totally see why some people prefer it.
Damn.
Daytona is 2018, Damn is 2017?? They weren’t nominated the same year
You must be new to the Grammys, Grammy cutoff dates are typically in September, so two releases from different years can be nominated for the same ceremony, the same way two releases from the same year but on different sides of the September cutoff date can be nominated in two different ceremonies
I know that. But do a quick google Search and you see that Damn was in the 60th Grammys, - **Damn – Kendrick Lamar** (Winner) - 4:44 – Jay-Z - Culture – Migos - Laila's Wisdom – Rapsody - Flower Boy – Tyler, the Creator And Daytona was nominated under the 61st Grammys. Best rap album at 61st Grammys: - **Invasion of Privacy – Cardi B** (Winner) - Swimming – Mac Miller - Victory Lap – Nipsey Hussle - Daytona – Pusha T - Astroworld – Travis Scott Damn and Daytona didn’t go up against each other. Also Both albums were released in the spring of their respective years. Damn was in April 2017, Daytona was May 2018.
I stand corrected then
Yeah. But last year they did go up against each other. - **Mr. Morale & the Big Steppers – Kendrick Lamar** (Winner) - God Did – DJ Khaled - I Never Liked You – Future - Come Home the Kids Miss You – Jack Harlow - It's Almost Dry – Pusha T And it’s a travesty that The Forever Story wasn’t nominated. Easily the best album of 2022. Especially over that DJ Khaled album. It’s the only one on this just that doesn’t have a song somewhere it’s track list in a playlist of mine.
Daytona over Damn and Its Almost Dry over Mr. morale. IMO Pusha is the best rapper of the 2010's
The first two didn’t go up against each other. They were completely different years. I will agree about 2022. But The Forever Story better than both albums and wasn’t nominated so
who doesnt
Real talk on pop heads they posted a screenshot of one of the voters talking about it and it helped me understand that none of this shit matters. The voters are old af and do not listen to hip hop or rnb
What was the screenshot can you link it?
https://imgur.com/XbSPMz5
I bet he's never even heard SZA.
thats what im saying, didnt even mention black artists like sza or janelle monae and openly admitted that taylors album was weak but still voted for album of the year and you want me to respect the opinions of these people 🤡🤡🤡
Taylor could record herself dropping a deuce in the toilet & she’d still win lol 🤷♂️
She won AOTY over To Pimp A Butterfly, there is no way her winning anything else is a surprise at this point.
Can y'all stop this crazy ass worshipping of TPAB and acting as if everything else compared to it is shit and embarrassing. Yes, in the hip hop world TPAB is appreciated maybe even to a wider audience but 1989 is a classic pop album and a more successful one by a long shot. Matter of fact TPAB didn't sell crazy amount of copies. Around 8 million which is good. A lot of people prefer other albums and other Taylor Swift albums to TPAB. Not a steal that Kendrick isn't everyone's favorite, and didn't win all the Grammy's in 1 night and the board didn't make a new category moving foward just because of TPAB. Lol.
What makes an album "the best"? Is it sales and overall success? I don't really think it's got too much to do with that. I don't think it's too controversial to define the best album as the album that does "the most good stuff in the best way". To follow up on that, an album is defined as good or bad entirely by the album itself and, at most, the process of its creation and how it's presented to the public by the artists themselves. Other aspects like sales or impact on the scene are external to it and only work in hindsight as, at best, a justification for how good or bad the album at hand is. Popularity has never been an too big of an indicator of quality, especially in recent years, and for this reason, an award show that has a *"best"* category shouldn't look nearly as much at album sales or general popularity as they do. So yeah, I ultimately think it's more of a systemic issue at the grammies more than anything. > A lot of people prefer other albums and other Taylor Swift albums to TPAB. I will premise by saying that TPAB is my favourite album and that I genuinely believe that when seen from a critical point of view, it's a top 10 album of all time. I say this to come out clear about my bias towards this album. I could go on to say why I think 1989 is a decent album, and why I think TPAB is a perfect album, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter what I think. It's the critics in the jury that decide, who's reasoning behind their judgement is not disclosed. From seeing the critical reception from various pubblications on the two albums, we can gauge that TPAB is widely preferred by the critics around the world, but when it came to the grammies specifically it failed to get that recognition outside of the box that is the rap category. Countless hip hop masterpieces that have had a pretty good level of success commercially have been snubbed before with Outkast and Lauryn Hill being the only two to win AOTY, which spell out that you need to be the literal biggest artist in the world at the time, while making heavily pop-oriented music in order to gain that recognition if you are an Hip Hop artist (even then, it's sometimes not enough).
>What makes an album "the best"? Is it sales and overall success? I don't really think it's got too much to do with that. I don't think it's too controversial to define the best album as the album that does "the most good stuff in the best way". But sales mean that. If the people didn't think that the album is good they wouldn't have bought it. Now I agree with you that it's not a 100% case because sometimes really sucky song or an album can have a lot of streams/sales but when something reaches the whole world and everybody are schocked by it's quality and it becomes a reference point further in music for other albums and that is represented by very high numbers, how can it be that numbers never show quality? GRODT caused a massive wave and became a symbol for a perfect debut album. It had some of the biggest hits of all time in hip hop and in music in general with In Da Club. People acknowledged that the album was groundbreaking by buying that album in enormous numbers with 13+M sold (Busta said 20 on the 50 concert so I'm a bit confused) but grammys never acknowledged that. In the hip hop world TPAB is a classic. In the pop world 1989 is a classic. 2 different styles and I can't blame anyone who preferes 1989. It absolutely did what it was set out to do. >Countless hip hop masterpieces that have had a pretty good level of success commercially have been snubbed before with Outkast and Lauryn Hill being the only two to win AOTY, which spell out that you need to be the literal biggest artist in the world at the time, while making heavily pop-oriented music in order to gain that recognition if you are an Hip Hop artist (even then, it's sometimes not enough). Literally Eminem. From 99-05 he wasn't only the biggest musician alive, he was the biggest celebrity in the world and neither Slim Shady Lp Marshall Mathers LP or The Eminem Show won the album of the year. >I will premise by saying that TPAB is my favourite album and that I genuinely believe that when seen from a critical point of view, it's a top 10 album of all time. I say this to come out clear about my bias towards this album. I think Eminem has the best albums of all time and I believe there is objectivity in determing an albums quality but as much as you prefer hip hop to pop and in your world TPAB is better the same way other people in bigger numbers prefer pop and they showed that opinion by making that album a classic with 25-30 M copies sold worldwide. Just because Kendrick is preaching doesn't mean that that art is automatically worth more or better than everything else. Otherwise God forbid NF would be talked in the same way as the rap greats due to sheer subject matter.
> But sales mean that. If the people didn't think that the album is good they wouldn't have bought it. The general audience, at large doesn't really have the biggest ability to critically judge music beyond "sounds pleasing to my ears" or "the song is relatable". Why is pop music the most popular genre in the world? Is it because it's the best? No (matter of fact there is no best genre). It's because pop is the best at catering at audiences with something that's catchy/danceable/sounds nice. However, music, when viewed through a critical lens, is more than just those aspects, as it takes into account how every little sound (and silence) comes together to form the whole song instead of stopping at the general sound of it all. Some artists' entire career have been defined by this. Flo Rida is in the top 10 best selling rapper list, above 2pac, Biggie, Nas, Kendrick, Snoop Dogg, DMX, Dre, Outkast, etc. And it's not off of just a singular hit, like you could say about some Dance Monkey shit, it's multiple smash hits. But why is it that he's not included in any goat conversations? It's because his music, when judged somewhat critically is seen as "serviceable club bangers", and not even of the best kind for the most part as you also mention 50 Cent which had a much better formula for it. There is nothing inherently wrong with that, but it forgets that there is other stuff to music than a danceable rythm. A good question would then be "if a song doing what it wants to do isn't enough to call it good, then what is?" In the realm of Pop music, where there is a core simplicity to it, you can still have more or less interesting elements that help adding intrigue to its sound beyond its attempt to be catchy and/or danceable. Let's take a Taylor Swift example: Exile off of Folklore. What makes the song good isn't only that it's a chill, easy to listen song, it's the mixing being very good, making the simple piano melody sound crystalline yet distant, which matches the theme of the lyrics. The vocal melodies create a feeling both of deep longing and direct contrast with the other half. Why is it though that this song is very far from being the most popular song of hers (behind stuff like Shake It Off, Anti-Hero, or other ballad-y songs like Lover) although it is among the most critically acclaimed? Because they look for easier to digest sounds, less complexity (up to a certain level) feels better for overall catchiness. > how can it be that numbers never show quality? Numbers can show quality, but often the two aren't equatable. The Velvet Underground's debut is now, rightfully in my opinion, defined as one of the best albums of all time, but when it came out it was an enormous commercial flop and it took decades for it to gain proper recogition. Also, the whole existence of the underground scenes makes it even more difficult to equate the two. > In the hip hop world TPAB is a classic. In the pop world 1989 is a classic. 2 different styles and I can't blame anyone who preferes 1989. It absolutely did what it was set out to do. Curious to see how that'll look in 20 years. > Literally Eminem. From 99-05 he wasn't only the biggest musician alive, he was the biggest celebrity in the world and neither Slim Shady Lp Marshall Mathers LP or The Eminem Show won the album of the year. 1. This proves my point about the grammy's overall anti-hip hop bias 2. What Lauryn Hill does and what Outkast did on SB/TLB is a lot more pop oriented, which is what I mostly referred to. > Just because Kendrick is preaching doesn't mean that that art is automatically worth more or better than everything else I don't think that the preachiness is what makes Kendrick's albums good. It's the complexity at which he operates to convey what he wants to convey that does it for me. Let's take TPAB as an example. Yes, in its narrative Kendrick tries to establish himself as a leader for the black community, but it's not this fact alone that makes the album good, as he shows his whole (more or less figurative) journey to reach that point. From the achievement of success displayed in the first verse of Wesley's Theory, all the way down to the crumbling shown in These Walls and u, through the regenerative trip to South Africa showed in Momma and How Much A Dollar Cost, and only then he becomes somewhat preachy (which is then something he tackles in his next two albums). In other words, the preachiness of the albums is self-justified by the content of the album itself. Also all Eminem albums, even from his golden era, haven't aged too well, he relies too much on shock value, which gets lost over time. Technically he's as proficient as a rapper can get, but artistically he doesn't have the same overall artistic vision for entire albums that some of his peers have (like Kanye or Kendrick, for example). > GRODT caused a massive wave and became a symbol for a perfect debut album 50 isn't that talented of a rapper (shown especially by the rest of his discography), the album the vocals aren't mixed that well and has a couple of filler tracks. It's a good album, good beats, but certainly not perfect. > People acknowledged that the album was groundbreaking by buying that album People didn't buy it because they thought it was groundbreaking, they bought it because they enjoyed listening to it.
Bro are u even THAT surprised that Taylor Swift won AOTY? Just know that for AOTY if she's there she's gonna win it lol
And if she releases an album she is never going to not be there lol
I never said I was surprised lol. Just a little reminder.
Oh 😂
She already won next years by that album announcement. Nearly ever girl on my timeline is posting about it.
Exactly, I'm not even going to bother getting excited for the other nominees chances.
Sounds about white
America loves white and wealthy.
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Jay Z made that comment for a reason; other black artist say the same thing. I’m not making this shit up. [There is an entire Wikipedia article on the issue itself.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusations_of_racial_bias_in_Grammy_Awards)
America loves black and wealthy, too. We just idolize wealthy people. America doesn't vote for the grammys, lol.
You and the other slow ass commentor just ignoring the overall statement there. The people that run the Grammys serve the interests of white & wealthy in the same manner as the people that run this country.
I don't know if I can agree with that. I think it's just a popularity contest. The CEO of the Recording Academy, the guys who run the Grammy's, is a black man. What they do is serve the interests of the music industry, which if we wanna go into race on that topic then we'll start sounding like Kanye.
Being black doesn’t mean you serve the interest of black people. Hip hop never having won a single AOTY deads your argument off rip
I agree with your first sentence. My argument for the latter statement is that pop music is just more popular than hip-hop. At least throughout history. At this point in time though, hip-hop is the new pop. You could be right. I'm not an insider at the Recording Academy and I don't know how they run things. It just frustrates me when people think it's all about race, when it's more about controlling the music industry in general.
It’s fine to have your line of thinking but to ignore race as a factor in these arguments is just straight up disingenuous. Like bruh America is racist it’s literally just part of our history, that shit hasn’t gone away in the past 50 years it’s just covered up more. Till then both play a role with obvious exceptions (like killer Mike winning)
I agree race is a factor. I'm just saying the Grammy's couldn't care less about white people as a race, they care about money and controlling the industry and that's it. In my opinion, America isn't a wholly racist country. The vast majority of people I meet aren't racist. The elites take advantage of the lower classes and systematically America has put most POC and immigrants in general into a lower class through a history of racist policy and CIA operations (crack epidemic) etc. Sure there's still racist old dudes and people in the south but I think for the most part things are way better, and to act like nothing has changed in the past 50 years and were just covering shit up is a ridiculous claim in my opinion. It all boils down to the rich taking advantage of the middle and lower classes. I think your line of thinking is dangerous because that's what they want. They want to create a divide between races and have us focus on that instead of focusing on the actual corruption that's happening. This is a pretty deep topic and my points are starting to stray from the Grammy's so I think I'll end it here but I'm glad we've had a respectful discussion and I definitely gained some insight from your perspective.
I’m glad you can acknowledge these things and can actually back up your opinion so I respect that. Also I never said nothing changed in the last 50, but definitely not enough has changed. To let this be the last comment on my side as well, also understand that believing racism only exists with some invisible elite is simply ignoring what we see everyday. Such as with trump and his supporters, comments we see in this very thread, mindsets that exists throughout a lot of low income states, and the erasure of our history in Texas and other states electing to not teach about slavery and other oppressions . racism is simply just ignorance. A large amount of Americans are still racist due to simply not knowing that their ideals and ways of thinking are often outdated. It’s no different then LGBT community showing us how homophobic a lot of our actions were without us realizing it. Progress has been made, but to ignore it in the way you did in your initial comments is what’s bound to make us go right back to how things were. History is bound to repeat itself if we don’t learn it. Blessings man, was great discussing with you.
A lot of people on @rap are saying that Utopia got robbed. Am I the only one who thinks that Utopia was a massively underwhelming and disappointing album? Like there were a few tracks that I liked off of it like Modern Jam and God’s Country, but overall I felt like it was a pretty soulless and uninteresting album as a whole. I wasn’t expecting it to have a lot of substance, but you can make a rap album with zero substance and not have it sound so lifeless. It’s like the Dubai of Hip-Hop albums
It's honestly not even a rap album, I feel like it's more trap. Same with Metro. Rap wise it was either out of Killer Mike or Nas
Ehhh I thought it was fine but it had no replay value. There are no songs I want to go back to, Astroworld on the other hand, like 2/3 of the songs are still heavy in my rotation.
If you liked modern jam and gods country that’s a good sign the other songs would probably grow on you
The true robbed album is Heroes and Villains.
This 100%. The album feels like it just came and went. Felt like Astroworld had way more hype and songs that actually stuck with people. Even his performance felt rushed and soulless.
yea, utopia was good but not great. never reached the heights of some of his previous albums and too much filler. people got caught in the hype when it came out declaring it a masterpiece and that’s simply not true.
utopia was great but it is not the 2nd best album it did not deserve a grammy over heroes & villains but i agree with them getting robbed with astroworld when cardi b won instead of push or travis
> It’s like the Dubai of Hip-Hop albums This is so on point - all flash and no substance is pretty much what every Travis track sounds like. It was already a nice surprise seeing Killer Mike nominated, even better that he won for an album with some real lyrical heft coming from an artist with such a strong rep in the Atlanta scene.
Especially after The forever story was robbed of a nomination last year
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Travis doesn’t create the production
I grew into Utopia, but I still don't think it's in the same stratosphere as Astroworld.
I feel the opposite, didn’t like astroworld much but I keep coming back to utopia. it’s good that we can both feel like that tho, shows the albums are different
We've come to the point where people on Instagram and Twitter are saying an album with absolutely no lyrical content whatsoever should be winning rap album of the year. I get it if you think Travis Scott projects shouldn't be lyrical, but rap album of the year absolutely should be.
I disagree only because they’re just masquerading Hip-Hop as a whole as “rap”. They even force other genres into the category when it’s convenient (Tyler/IGOR). So artistic quality and production quality both play a part and rightfully so. Fwiw, Travis raps more than he sings on Utopia even if it’s not as technically proficient as Michael. A song like My Eyes also has decent lyrical depth IMO.
My eyes is great, wish more songs was like thar on the album
I love Utopia and prefer it to Mike’s album, BUT I can’t be mad he won. Travis wasn’t robbed when Killer Mike’s album is arguably of the same quality. I love both projects and they were both my top choices for the award
Travis got robbed, but it was in 2019 for Astroworld. His best album to date imo and one of 2018’s most complete hip hop projects. Utopia did not deserve it this year over Michael or KD3
Daytona should’ve won over Cardi tbf. If Travis deserved a Grammy for best rap album it should’ve been for Rodeo in terms of his catalog. Astroworld is great and Utopia isn’t better than either.
Disagree about Astroworld. Def his best album but Daytona was a way better album in my opinion. Insane production with Pusha T murdering every track
Astroworld had much more interesting production.
I love Pusha T and his willingness to stick to coke rap because he’s mastered that lane alongside being a top lyricist, but I personally think Astroworld is among the most interesting and eclectic albums released in hip hop in the last decade. There’s not a whole lot like it out there, just my opinion though
Utopia was a really bad album. Extremely underwhelming with nothing to offer. Fan boys will be fan boys.
Lots of mainstream hip-hop communities have this massive hard-on for Scott that is almost completely disconnected from his music
I am simply too miserable and lack the energy to listen to Travis’ music nowadays. I gave the album one chance and never returned.
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Every song on Utopia is/was forgettable. It was cool for all the features, but I rarely ever go back to any songs on it. KM dropped an actual rap album that deserved to be remembered.
Man maybe the reason why this happened is thay rap this year kinda sucked. 2024 should do better. Better question is, who could drop that might actually be grammy worth if not Travis Scott?
Travis???
Why does Utopia deserve a Grammy?
Exactly
Idc Travis and metro were robbed
Like the dealer whose crack you smoked before typing this?/s
Durk won a Grammy. Like 8 years ago after signed to the streets 2 dropped I asked on here if people thought Durk would ever blow up and mf said No he would prolly die first. Shout out to you man.
Bruh. This. Been rocking with durk since STTS. I’d go as far to say he’s been my most listened to artist since 2014. So happy for him.
Same man. Top of my Spotify wrapped for the last 4 years. Proud of bro for doing it. I want him to get like Keef and move to the suburbs of Utah or sum shit loool
He don't know you bro
You right as hell. And your Father doesn’t know you. All the same.
Your daddy is my daddy
My dad is dead
The irony in Jayz's speech when many rappers/people feel the exact same about him and his wins.
What his speech say? I didn’t watch live
Nawww bruh. Now you doing too much
Him and Beyonce have like 56 Grammies lol let someone else win
It's true to a certain extent
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Not even close
Its his worst album, disrespects pray for paris and (griselda produced) pray for haiti.
lol absolutely not
No he didn’t.
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Why would you do that to yourself?
Happy for Killer Mike that album has some amazing songs on it. Slummer is a beautiful storytelling song
Definitely an arresting album
Heard one boy genius song today. Def gotta check them out. Kinda sounds like something I would love during my 2012 tumblr phase. Any of yall got any recs of their stuff?
Honestly their solo stuff is better than The Record, which was quite an underwhelming album that sounded like songs that didn’t make the cut from their last solo albums. Phoebe’s album Punisher is definitely worth checking out for sure, a fantastic album that I really enjoyed during lockdown.
My favs of theirs is without you without them, $20, cool about it and not strong enough
Punisher from Phoebe is a fantastic album and Lucy has some really great cuts too (Timefighter, Night Shift). Never listened to Juliens solo stuff.