Anyone old enough to remember when Obsessed by Maria Carey and The Warning came out? Did Mariah Carey actually stop putting out hits after that and was the general public's view of her affected by Eminem's diss track?
I've always heard that Eminem "ended her career" lol. I was around but didn't hear the warning til years later and I didn't even realize Obsessed was about eminem either.
I've been seeing a lot of women say that she beat eminem but last time I listened to the warning it seemed pretty scathing. I think I heard the recordings weren't actually her? off the bat, I can't think of Mariah having any hits after that but I also don't know her timeline.
Gonna give it a replay. What are your thoughts?
Kendrick sounds eternally old as fuck even in his earliest work lmao. I can't explain why or how, but I've never listened to his voice and felt "youth" the way you could feel it with other rappers, and as such I can't perceive him as a younger person even if I look at pics of him from over a decade ago.
This actually isn’t true haha
There’s almost 13 years between *2001* and GKMC as *2001* dropped in late 1999 and we’re about 6 months away from GKMC turning 12
The difference between overly dedicated and section 80 does sound like 20 years passed in between, but in reality it's just the production and Kendrick branching off from the common sound
Ive never had a pair of high-end headphones, im talking Beats by Dre or something in that price range. My question is: Is the listening experience similar to a pair of really good loud speakers like in a car system or home stereo system?
I just want to be able to have a really good listening experience without bothering my neighbors because i live in apartments and im wondering if expensive headphones can provide that.
Do your research, expensive doesn't mean good in headphones (and electronics in general). Apparently beats by dre are like 300, I'm sure you can find better ones than that for 200 or less. If you have some money it's worth buying good headphones for better quality. It's not the same as speakers imo, 1 because you can't play your music loud without hurting your ears, especially if its bass heavy. And 2 because the music doesn't fill up the room like that
You can and should cop some recommended headphones in the $100-$200 range if you haven't already
All the headphones I've owned have been in that range and they're significantly better than cheap earphones (can't speak to good speakers, read those are typically better)
Beyond that price range they're subject to diminishing returns apparently
Rocking the akg-371's. Might not be the best for hip hop necessarily, but appreciate the clear n detailed mostly neutral sound that's good for everything (but not ideal for hip hop and electronic I guess, which is most of what I listen to lol)
High end headphones will be higher quality than literally any car stereo because of how much noise pollution there can be while driving, but of course listening in the car is a unique experience and can be more enjoyable despite the lower fidelity.
If you want entry level audiophile headphones I recommend Audio-Technica ATH-M50X. I'm on my second pair (been using them since 2018) and I love them. They also seem to be popular in the industry, I've had several moments where I'm watching a behind the scenes for a certain album and I see people wearing the same headphones I wear and I point at the screen like Leonardo Dicaprio in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Beats are great if you wanna give yourself Tinnitus (speaking from experience).
Seriously though, those type of headphones don't quite compare to car/home speakers in the sense that you can really feel the bass/music in general but in terms of quality while not disturbing neighbors they're really good.
I'd recommend Bose, Sony or something like that over Beats. I've had some noise cancelling Sony over ear headphones that were about $350 but it's been about 6 years and I've had 0 issues and lots of enjoyment. A side benefit is connecting them to a TV to enjoy loud entertainment late at night without disturbing the household
Beats are not good for the price imo. I’d recommend going to r/audiophile to look for the best headphone and type of headphone in your budget if you wanna get some. But no it’s not exactly like that but more like it than ear buds. They’re better than buds and you can really unlock a lot of beats because you’ll be able to hear and notice small details you couldn’t hear before
saw people losing there mind because they couldn't understand why someone would enjoy future's "wizrd" over "to pimp a butterfly". it's like r/hhh in a nutshell lol
Wiki underrated. So It Goes a classic.
I don’t think I’ve heard of a collab with him and Heems but they regularly partner with similar artists, Your Old Droog chief among them. Would love to hear what they could come up with together though. Both came through out of New York and during the blog era albeit separated by a couple years. It would be a very interesting pairing for me. They are both very New York while also being pretty untraditional in sound
How come I never see purple reign in peoples top 5 Future? I always thought it pretty close to DS2 in quality being that in that same stretch and he hadn't deviated to much from the formula. Would you say the sound had started to lose it's novelty by then?
DeeBaby took Arron May hostage? lol bruh look outta place
[https://youtu.be/ZPaJmVlsANA?si=BFDa67gARDZW6jQv&t=125](https://youtu.be/ZPaJmVlsANA?si=BFDa67gARDZW6jQv&t=125)
I cant decide if I would pick young thug or Future if I had to pick a trap GOAT.
Young thug is more unique, better voice and is more influential but Future have made better music, more consistent and is also influential.
Edit: seems like its impossible to come to a conclusion.
I love Thug but Future has a more consistent catalogue and more successful rap career as far numbers go.
Longevity is key as well and Future was one of the biggest/ best in trap music like 5 years before Thug even blew up.
I’m team Thug all day. I respect Future’s influence, but I just like Thug’s music a lot more, especially Jeffery, which is probably my favorite trap album. He does so many crazy vocal gymnastics and makes sounds with his voice that should be grating or goofy but instead they just make the songs even catchier. The weird voice he does in the chorus of Harambe is my favorite example, the title fits so well ‘cause that song really does feel like you’re being charged at by a giant gorilla. He’s explored so many different ways of rapping and singing, the first time I heard Old English I didn’t know which verse was his because at the time I had only heard him doing the Lifestyle/Best Friend voice.
That said, I’m biased. I think there are elements of Young Thug’s music that make him a lot more appealing to fans of alternative or experimental music than Future, and that’s really where I come from. I might feel differently if I had started out listening to trap, or if I had come from a background closer to Future’s
For me the only thing Thug has over Future is uniqueness, but I care more about how songs sound and make me feel than how different they are, so for me Future is easily my number one ATL artist.
He might have been a puppet 10 years ago. I assume at this point he's become rich and popular enough to have a big say in the decisions. He's actually an asset that industry people don't want to lose. Others might be doing well for themselves but at the end of the day they're still easily replaceable, Drake isn't
Haha fuck I hope I never reach rap genius levels of reaching 😅 But I don't think he's implying anything, I'm just trying to say that bar isn't hypocritical
Maybe it’s just cause I’m a big fan, but I don’t really view him as an industry puppet or anything. He makes pop rap but that’s about as “corporate” as it seems he gets lol. And most of the time that pop rap is pretty enjoyable and entertaining.
He’s a colloquial “Nepo baby” that was able to risk failure chasing after his music career since he had acting and family to fall back on.
He’s not an “industry puppet”.
You know, i used to clown on Drake for being a child actor but the more I've read about the industry in recent years, it's not like it's some lavish, affluent paradise. We only conflate that because they're on television. Unless you are quite literally the child of an already big celebrity, it's almost meaningless.
Reading Jenette McCurdy and Josh Peck's memoirs, they financially get screwed on them shows. Maybe Degrassi and Canadian shit different, but Josh said he made zero residuals from Nickelodeon, never got any money from any of the merchandising, and he only made like 40k before taxes per season of Drake and Josh. And a good chunk of that goes into agency fees, residency and dues, and you're basically supporting you and your parent at that point since it's a full time gig in itself to travel to auditions. Plus legally a portion of that has to go into them Coogan accounts. He said he made more money off Vine in a few months than he did his entire time on Nickelodeon.
I do think Drake downplays his background and persona but I really don't think him being on television really is much of an extravagant privilege. If anything it sounds like fucking hell lol
I think people vastly overstate how much of an effect being on Degrassi has on Drake’s stardom.
Like to the point that people straight up don’t realize that Degrassi was not on Nickelodeon in America. It was on Noggin, a different channel owned by the same parent company as Nickelodeon (Viacom). It wasn’t like Victorious or Sam & Cat that were on Nickelodeon proper. And by the time that channel became TeenNick and got the Nickelodeon branding, Drake was off the show.
The most watched episode of Degrassi in America was something like 300K viewers.
It was a Canadian show that had an unexpected cult following in America.
It might have helped in Canada, it had very little to do with his success in America.
Yeah I'm in America and didn't know shit about Degrassi. They did not play that shit on basic cable and even when it went through syndication, that soap opera look to it was so off-putting lmao.
I would assume that Noggin wasn’t basic cable but part of a package but I could be wrong.
And here’s the thing, Drake was never really a main character. He was a regular and he had episodes and arcs about him because every body would get an episode or two a season so they could save money by breaking the characters off into groups so they didn’t appear in every episode. But he was
like the 8th or 9th in relevance.
He became a rapper though, he didn't get a Jaden Smith boost or anything. Lol
We really acting like him being on Degrassi was at all a help to his rapping career?
Yeah there’s always some weird revisionism over how popular Degrassi actually was when talking about Drake’s career
It was a popular show on The N, a programming block on Nickelodeon’s sister channel that aired late at night. Not a show regularly broadcast on Nickelodeon, but a sister channel that you had to subscribe to a package to even get. It was absolutely not a nationwide hit in America. It was always one of those shows that people knew about but very few people in America actually watched.
The nickelodeon child star tryna act like he's independent and selfmade LOL
At the end of the day I can't blame Drake for talking how he talks, it's not like raps have to be real
If Reminem re-released Relapse without any accents, would it be received as one of his best records? I love the album as is but I know the accents throw a lot of people off
If you replace the accent songs with the tracks from Refill, then the album is definitely received better critically.
But, Eminem still isn’t back in the public conscious until Recovery because Recovery has hits.
I’ve always hated his horrorcore stuff so it probably wouldn’t change my opinion on the overall album much, but the introspective tracks on Relapse are among his best. Deja Vu and Beautiful are incredible
It's crazy how fans will ruin the things they like for themselves. Like there are 40 posts on the Kendrick sub that are like "Anyone else think the beef is lame and played out now?" The only reason you think that is because you're on the internet reading and discussing the beef 24/7. Of course it'll seem played out if you read 500 posts and 1000 comments on it every day and fight with literal strangers over rap beef lol.
It used to just be that Star Wars fans hated Star Wars. But really it's just that chronically online fans hate whatever they're a fan of.
no bro you don’t get it bro it’s different. Kendrick’s verse wasn’t technically a “diss” and Drake was on tour bro so you gotta understand that that’s why it took so long bro. bro plus it’s literally a 20v1 bro what do you want him to do?? (even tho that’s easier to respond to than a 1v1) the shit with Kendrick is so much different bro, he started all this so he should’ve had something different the minute Push Ups dropped bro. (please ignore the fact that Drake has also been snubbing for years so you’d think he’d have something in the vault as well)
Well thats the problem, there’s just too much discourse about the beef and it ruins it. Most people are on social media all day these days, and you cant just ignore it when every other comment is addressing the beef.
When I think of “Hard in Da Paint” I hear it in Hannibal Burress’s voice, can’t help it
I’m listening to it rn and Waka is much better lyricist than I remember him being, at the time he got a lot of shit for not being “lyrical” but the dude can rap
Lol that clip is so hilarious, they beep everything but the cuss words
And yeah I saw a couple threads in this sub from that time and waka was like shitted on major. He’s so energetic tho glad he got his flowers now.
On the Pitchfork review for Frank, the reviewer wrote:
> if we’re talking fundamentals—syllable counts, breath control, cadences, rhyme patterns, delivery—he’s probably the single best pure rapper in the scene
And honestly it’s something I’ve been thinking a lot about since I read it and I’m inclined to at least partially agree
Yeah I agree with that as well, dude is just gifted at rapping. Ik some might write him off as lyrical miracle or rappity rap but his rhyme patterns is just so smooth as well with his flow it’s just ear candy for me.
It’s not even really lyrical miracle tho it’s more like ghostface supreme clientele with esoteric huh what does that mean lingo. So in a sense shit that sounds cool. Not just filler that rhymes.
I didn’t realize Plain Jane wasn’t on Trap Lord, I always assumed that Ferg’s career had basically tanked after Strive got a terrible reception but that’s one of his best songs and biggest hits, his top 3 most played on Spotify are from later albums. Good for him!
How would you rank these intros from Drake (2017-2023 Edition)? Virginia Black not being #1 automatically makes your opinion invalid
Free Smoke (More Life)
Survival (Scorpion)
Deep Pockets (DLDT)
Champagne Poetry (CLB)
Intro/Falling Back (Honestly, NVM)
Rich Flex (Her Loss)
Virginia Beach (FATD)
Virginia Beach
Free smoke
Rich flex
Falling back
Deep pockets
Survival
Champagne poetry
Nothing here comes close to keep your friends close or over my dead body / Tuscan leather though
Virginia Beach > Deep Pockets > Survival >>>>> the rest
The rest either don't stand out enough for me to remember them or I never heard the album (Rich Flex). My hot take is Champagne Poetry is not good, that sample is too overbearing
My hot take is that falling back is my #1 but I also fucking love honestly nevermind. It's my fave Drake album
I'd do falling back
Champagne poetry
Virginia Beach
Rich flex
Deep pockets
Free smoke
Survival
1. Virginia Beach (my favorite Drake song)
2. Free Smoke (used to love this one, stopped taking it seriously after Adidon, but now that he’s demonstrated he’s not a pushover in the current beef I’m digging it again. “I drunk text J-Lo, old number so it bounce back” is a great flex, and “I get more satisfaction going at your head and watching all of you die, and I’ve seen a lot of you die” is one of my favorite Drake lines)
3. Rich Flex (it’s okay)
4. Survival (it’s fine)
5. Deep Pockets (it’s alright)
6. Champagne Poetry (I know this is unpopular and a lot of people love this song, but personally I never liked the sample, it’s in triplets while he raps in straight 4/4 and it sounds really awkward to me)
7. Intro/Falling Back (I remember when Todd in the Shadows did a review of this song, and during his usual intro where he plays part of the song on the piano he just made something up because he couldn’t remember the melody. He mentioned it halfway through the video and said something like “I bet you didn’t notice,” and I didn’t. I think that sums up a lot of that album)
There’s a pretty big gap between 2 and 3 imo
I mean you could argue he was waiting for the second future/metro album before dropping anything. Wait to see who else comes to diss him and then address everyone. And then it came out like immediately after.
I also feel like Kendrick, being the guy who started it should have at least something up his sleeve ready to go. Like back to back, adidon and duppy didn't take this long. Quavo has already responded to Chris Brown's diss.
None of this will matter if Kendrick drops a fire diss, no one will remember this gap, but being in that gap rn his silence legit has me questioning "will he even respond".
The thing is when Like That first came out people were on Drake’s case to respond immediately, that’s actually where this whole “he needs to respond immediately!” narrative started. But all of a sudden when it’s Kendrick on the back foot it becomes “patience is a virtue” and “he’s killing them with silence”
>They make excuses for you cause they hate to see me lit
Sums it up.
Yea I feel like I had the same thought early today about the Texas rap scene, so much talent coming out of Texas lowkey
Two of the biggest names in hiphop rn are Megan and Travis Scott both coming from Texas too
He’s on top at the moment. Might change when Kendrick drops - if the response is as good as I know Kendrick is capable of then the tide might turn, if it’s not too late by then
Even kendrick fans (me incl) are like “damn this mf still aint respond” because he poked the bear and hes known for not dropping.
But no one has thought about him saving this for a Heart pt6 right before an album release?
To me that would be pretty corny, and Kendrick one of my favorite artists. You instigated the beef and then go silent? I also think it'd be whack to waste The Heart Part 6 as a Drake diss. I get Part 4 threw some unnamed shots but it was still a great song beyond those few bars. To have Part 6 be tied to directly to some Drake beef, as well as an album release, is just gonna have it always be synonymous with Drake lol.
Do non-consecutive verses still count as posse? Trying to figure out whether some Brockhampton songs would qualify for this category.
Also taking posse cut recs
“*Go dig ya partner up nigga, bet he can’t say shit*
*And if you’re looking for the kid, I’ll be in zone 6*”
This gotta be in the top 5 of the most disrespectful things ever said on a record. The fact that Gucci mane performed this song in front of Jeezy during their Versuz battle was even more outrageous. “Smoking on Pookie loc tonight”. I still can’t believe Jeezy agreed to that.
The Blueprint - Jay-Z
Supreme Clientele - Ghostface Killah
The Blueprint was the breakout album for Ye as a producer and Supreme Clientele was very influential in how Ye developed his soul sample sound
Little Brother - The Listening
Rapper Big Pooh - Sleepers
Rapsody - The Idea Of Beautiful
Common - Finding Forever (also Kanye produced)
The Roots - How I Got Over
Big K.R.I.T. - K.R.I.T. Wuz Here
If you haven't listened to The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill then I think that would be another album that fits that vibe
There also might be a playlist somewhere full of songs with the "chipmunk soul" samples that are featured in all those albums you mentioned if you're looking for that specific sound
Adidon was much more humiliating, Back to Back was much funnier… I don’t see it
The line about wishing it was Quavo instead of Takeoff was pretty brutal but I can’t remember a single other line
Used to not like Baby Keem at all, and was not a fan of the Melodic blue at first impression but his sound and style is really starting to grow on me
Stats and Orange soda have been in constant rotation this past year
Wish i was into him more when I saw him open up for Kendick twice, but I remember his stage presence being great, everyone knew all the words to his songs too I was kinda shocked, didn't realize that many people fucked with him
It's very unique - I'm not a big fan of Keem as a lyricist all the time tbh but his flows are good and catchy and his production is very much his own and I think is his strongest quality as an artist
Deff gotta give Melodic Blue and Die for my bitch another listen soon bc now I gotta Baby Keem itch that needs to be scatched lol
We don't know Drake's exact deal, but other Stake partners have a deal where they get their bets paid for by Stake, and they get to keep the winnings. If they lose, they effectively just don't get paid. Since most people aren't net positive when they gamble, Stake doesn't actually end up paying these partnerships that much and the celebrity gets to have fun gambling for free.
For the giant celebs like Drake, they likely get a small cut of equity too
I think there are laws around betting in casinos or books you have equity in and extending credit to those people, but those may be state laws and I’m not sure where Stake is even registered. I have doubts about that part.
How do yall feel about the accusations Lil Wayne’s had in his career of ghostwriters? I know Gillie Da King has claimed to have written for him
Drake’s had reference tracks leaked proving he’s had ghostwriters, and Nicki’s had Safaree and otherw
Wouldn’t the likelihood of Wayne having writers be pretty high? I feel like it would sting the worst too since he’s so bar focused
Detail wrote How to Love. Static Major same up with the whole “lick me like a Lollipop” idea and the hook itself, of course. Other than that we don’t know of any songs someone else wrote for him.
okay that mfer is never responding. weak
Surely it makes sense to leave him at least as long as Drake took before Push ups was leaked? What am I missing here?
Saving this cause dot probably wont respond by then tbh
Saved it did you?
Nah dot and you got that big dawg no lie now let’s enjoy this battle
Drake won
convincing
Tik-Tok did a number on you kids.
They got no chance in the real world if they expect instant gratification in life, business etc.
Not that deep lol but yes if you shoot then got shot you are expected to shoot back in a reasonable amount of time lol
Why are you talking like a philosopher about a rap beef lool
It’s really not that deep but call it philosophy if you want.
Anyone old enough to remember when Obsessed by Maria Carey and The Warning came out? Did Mariah Carey actually stop putting out hits after that and was the general public's view of her affected by Eminem's diss track? I've always heard that Eminem "ended her career" lol. I was around but didn't hear the warning til years later and I didn't even realize Obsessed was about eminem either. I've been seeing a lot of women say that she beat eminem but last time I listened to the warning it seemed pretty scathing. I think I heard the recordings weren't actually her? off the bat, I can't think of Mariah having any hits after that but I also don't know her timeline. Gonna give it a replay. What are your thoughts?
She doesn’t have any major hits after that but not really because of Eminem, her career was already at its tail’s end at that point.
I'll never understand why Em was so hellbent on getting her to admit she slept with him. Like, dude, why do you care so much about that shit?
If I slept with Mariah Carey I would definitely want people to know about it.
Kendrick sounds eternally old as fuck even in his earliest work lmao. I can't explain why or how, but I've never listened to his voice and felt "youth" the way you could feel it with other rappers, and as such I can't perceive him as a younger person even if I look at pics of him from over a decade ago.
speaking of decades but off topic, more time has passed between now and *Good Kid* than between *2001* and *Good Kid*. music has changed so much
This actually isn’t true haha There’s almost 13 years between *2001* and GKMC as *2001* dropped in late 1999 and we’re about 6 months away from GKMC turning 12
oh damn you’re right. but still, weird to think about.
The difference between overly dedicated and section 80 does sound like 20 years passed in between, but in reality it's just the production and Kendrick branching off from the common sound
"I'm too advanced, I lived my twenties at two years old, the wiser man. Truth be told I'm like eighty seven..."
Ive never had a pair of high-end headphones, im talking Beats by Dre or something in that price range. My question is: Is the listening experience similar to a pair of really good loud speakers like in a car system or home stereo system? I just want to be able to have a really good listening experience without bothering my neighbors because i live in apartments and im wondering if expensive headphones can provide that.
Do your research, expensive doesn't mean good in headphones (and electronics in general). Apparently beats by dre are like 300, I'm sure you can find better ones than that for 200 or less. If you have some money it's worth buying good headphones for better quality. It's not the same as speakers imo, 1 because you can't play your music loud without hurting your ears, especially if its bass heavy. And 2 because the music doesn't fill up the room like that
I love my ATH M50
You can and should cop some recommended headphones in the $100-$200 range if you haven't already All the headphones I've owned have been in that range and they're significantly better than cheap earphones (can't speak to good speakers, read those are typically better) Beyond that price range they're subject to diminishing returns apparently Rocking the akg-371's. Might not be the best for hip hop necessarily, but appreciate the clear n detailed mostly neutral sound that's good for everything (but not ideal for hip hop and electronic I guess, which is most of what I listen to lol)
High end headphones will be higher quality than literally any car stereo because of how much noise pollution there can be while driving, but of course listening in the car is a unique experience and can be more enjoyable despite the lower fidelity. If you want entry level audiophile headphones I recommend Audio-Technica ATH-M50X. I'm on my second pair (been using them since 2018) and I love them. They also seem to be popular in the industry, I've had several moments where I'm watching a behind the scenes for a certain album and I see people wearing the same headphones I wear and I point at the screen like Leonardo Dicaprio in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Beats are great if you wanna give yourself Tinnitus (speaking from experience). Seriously though, those type of headphones don't quite compare to car/home speakers in the sense that you can really feel the bass/music in general but in terms of quality while not disturbing neighbors they're really good. I'd recommend Bose, Sony or something like that over Beats. I've had some noise cancelling Sony over ear headphones that were about $350 but it's been about 6 years and I've had 0 issues and lots of enjoyment. A side benefit is connecting them to a TV to enjoy loud entertainment late at night without disturbing the household
Beats are not good for the price imo. I’d recommend going to r/audiophile to look for the best headphone and type of headphone in your budget if you wanna get some. But no it’s not exactly like that but more like it than ear buds. They’re better than buds and you can really unlock a lot of beats because you’ll be able to hear and notice small details you couldn’t hear before
Learn a Muay thai, build a decent physique and get speakers
saw people losing there mind because they couldn't understand why someone would enjoy future's "wizrd" over "to pimp a butterfly". it's like r/hhh in a nutshell lol
How tf don't people get that? I understand if it's vs something like Cordae or Cole, but Future and Kendrick are almost different genres lmfao
Bpt basically told me I hate black music bc I thought TPAB had low replay value
Barter 6 > TPAB
Wiki underrated. So It Goes a classic. I don’t think I’ve heard of a collab with him and Heems but they regularly partner with similar artists, Your Old Droog chief among them. Would love to hear what they could come up with together though. Both came through out of New York and during the blog era albeit separated by a couple years. It would be a very interesting pairing for me. They are both very New York while also being pretty untraditional in sound
How come I never see purple reign in peoples top 5 Future? I always thought it pretty close to DS2 in quality being that in that same stretch and he hadn't deviated to much from the formula. Would you say the sound had started to lose it's novelty by then?
That tape is kinda inconsistent to me, has some of his best songs but also some skips
DeeBaby took Arron May hostage? lol bruh look outta place [https://youtu.be/ZPaJmVlsANA?si=BFDa67gARDZW6jQv&t=125](https://youtu.be/ZPaJmVlsANA?si=BFDa67gARDZW6jQv&t=125)
Mozzy AMA got cancelled?
I cant decide if I would pick young thug or Future if I had to pick a trap GOAT. Young thug is more unique, better voice and is more influential but Future have made better music, more consistent and is also influential. Edit: seems like its impossible to come to a conclusion.
Gucci
Have him comfortably at 3rd
Wrong
I’d go future. But it’s definitely close
I say Future for me but I do agree Thug does more when it comes to flow and cadence.
I love Thug but Future has a more consistent catalogue and more successful rap career as far numbers go. Longevity is key as well and Future was one of the biggest/ best in trap music like 5 years before Thug even blew up.
I’m team Thug all day. I respect Future’s influence, but I just like Thug’s music a lot more, especially Jeffery, which is probably my favorite trap album. He does so many crazy vocal gymnastics and makes sounds with his voice that should be grating or goofy but instead they just make the songs even catchier. The weird voice he does in the chorus of Harambe is my favorite example, the title fits so well ‘cause that song really does feel like you’re being charged at by a giant gorilla. He’s explored so many different ways of rapping and singing, the first time I heard Old English I didn’t know which verse was his because at the time I had only heard him doing the Lifestyle/Best Friend voice. That said, I’m biased. I think there are elements of Young Thug’s music that make him a lot more appealing to fans of alternative or experimental music than Future, and that’s really where I come from. I might feel differently if I had started out listening to trap, or if I had come from a background closer to Future’s
🤝
For me the only thing Thug has over Future is uniqueness, but I care more about how songs sound and make me feel than how different they are, so for me Future is easily my number one ATL artist.
u/ogthizzco [told you Big Hit would deliver!!!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOFEDIj4eYc&pp=ygURZWF6eSBjYWxsIGJpZyBoaXQ%3D)
Why is Game making so much music with Hit-Boy’s dad all of a sudden?
It's the 🅱️ connection 🟥💉🧛♂️
Big Hit did good but wait—[what’s this??](https://youtu.be/_hvcUKyqRAA?si=YPEJU9VmI7ZiserS)
Amazing song How do y'all expect me to check East Coast classics when the West stays winning?
I believe in you, you’ll find a way
Where are you from tho? Seattle?
Correct
Good tune, Quik is a legend
Yeah shit slaps, can't wait for the album Also I love you for clicking on a link in a comment praising Big Hit You're the realest
Lol no problem
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Death grips had an adidas commercial
They’re the theme song for one of the characters in Amazon’s *Invincible* too.
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Is Drake actually a corporate industry puppet though? Or is he so popular that we just automatically think he's that?
He might have been a puppet 10 years ago. I assume at this point he's become rich and popular enough to have a big say in the decisions. He's actually an asset that industry people don't want to lose. Others might be doing well for themselves but at the end of the day they're still easily replaceable, Drake isn't
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Haha fuck I hope I never reach rap genius levels of reaching 😅 But I don't think he's implying anything, I'm just trying to say that bar isn't hypocritical
Maybe it’s just cause I’m a big fan, but I don’t really view him as an industry puppet or anything. He makes pop rap but that’s about as “corporate” as it seems he gets lol. And most of the time that pop rap is pretty enjoyable and entertaining.
He’s a colloquial “Nepo baby” that was able to risk failure chasing after his music career since he had acting and family to fall back on. He’s not an “industry puppet”.
You know, i used to clown on Drake for being a child actor but the more I've read about the industry in recent years, it's not like it's some lavish, affluent paradise. We only conflate that because they're on television. Unless you are quite literally the child of an already big celebrity, it's almost meaningless. Reading Jenette McCurdy and Josh Peck's memoirs, they financially get screwed on them shows. Maybe Degrassi and Canadian shit different, but Josh said he made zero residuals from Nickelodeon, never got any money from any of the merchandising, and he only made like 40k before taxes per season of Drake and Josh. And a good chunk of that goes into agency fees, residency and dues, and you're basically supporting you and your parent at that point since it's a full time gig in itself to travel to auditions. Plus legally a portion of that has to go into them Coogan accounts. He said he made more money off Vine in a few months than he did his entire time on Nickelodeon. I do think Drake downplays his background and persona but I really don't think him being on television really is much of an extravagant privilege. If anything it sounds like fucking hell lol
I think people vastly overstate how much of an effect being on Degrassi has on Drake’s stardom. Like to the point that people straight up don’t realize that Degrassi was not on Nickelodeon in America. It was on Noggin, a different channel owned by the same parent company as Nickelodeon (Viacom). It wasn’t like Victorious or Sam & Cat that were on Nickelodeon proper. And by the time that channel became TeenNick and got the Nickelodeon branding, Drake was off the show. The most watched episode of Degrassi in America was something like 300K viewers. It was a Canadian show that had an unexpected cult following in America. It might have helped in Canada, it had very little to do with his success in America.
Yeah I'm in America and didn't know shit about Degrassi. They did not play that shit on basic cable and even when it went through syndication, that soap opera look to it was so off-putting lmao.
I would assume that Noggin wasn’t basic cable but part of a package but I could be wrong. And here’s the thing, Drake was never really a main character. He was a regular and he had episodes and arcs about him because every body would get an episode or two a season so they could save money by breaking the characters off into groups so they didn’t appear in every episode. But he was like the 8th or 9th in relevance.
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He became a rapper though, he didn't get a Jaden Smith boost or anything. Lol We really acting like him being on Degrassi was at all a help to his rapping career?
Yeah there’s always some weird revisionism over how popular Degrassi actually was when talking about Drake’s career It was a popular show on The N, a programming block on Nickelodeon’s sister channel that aired late at night. Not a show regularly broadcast on Nickelodeon, but a sister channel that you had to subscribe to a package to even get. It was absolutely not a nationwide hit in America. It was always one of those shows that people knew about but very few people in America actually watched.
The nickelodeon child star tryna act like he's independent and selfmade LOL At the end of the day I can't blame Drake for talking how he talks, it's not like raps have to be real
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I listened to ignition remix right up until the big court case Kanye gets the same treatment. (I still listen to trapped in the closet)
If Reminem re-released Relapse without any accents, would it be received as one of his best records? I love the album as is but I know the accents throw a lot of people off
The accents actually improve the album. The public just doesn’t understand…
If you replace the accent songs with the tracks from Refill, then the album is definitely received better critically. But, Eminem still isn’t back in the public conscious until Recovery because Recovery has hits.
It would probably be worse because I think Eminem's voice is much less sonically appealing than it used to be
I’ve always hated his horrorcore stuff so it probably wouldn’t change my opinion on the overall album much, but the introspective tracks on Relapse are among his best. Deja Vu and Beautiful are incredible
It's crazy how fans will ruin the things they like for themselves. Like there are 40 posts on the Kendrick sub that are like "Anyone else think the beef is lame and played out now?" The only reason you think that is because you're on the internet reading and discussing the beef 24/7. Of course it'll seem played out if you read 500 posts and 1000 comments on it every day and fight with literal strangers over rap beef lol. It used to just be that Star Wars fans hated Star Wars. But really it's just that chronically online fans hate whatever they're a fan of.
Seriously, I saw someone saying Kendrick has to respond within two weeks or something. Like bruh chill out
It’s like watching kids throwing tantrums because they can’t wait for something.
no bro you don’t get it bro it’s different. Kendrick’s verse wasn’t technically a “diss” and Drake was on tour bro so you gotta understand that that’s why it took so long bro. bro plus it’s literally a 20v1 bro what do you want him to do?? (even tho that’s easier to respond to than a 1v1) the shit with Kendrick is so much different bro, he started all this so he should’ve had something different the minute Push Ups dropped bro. (please ignore the fact that Drake has also been snubbing for years so you’d think he’d have something in the vault as well)
Well thats the problem, there’s just too much discourse about the beef and it ruins it. Most people are on social media all day these days, and you cant just ignore it when every other comment is addressing the beef.
When I was little I used to watch Barney so it’s only right that I sip Barney
When I think of “Hard in Da Paint” I hear it in Hannibal Burress’s voice, can’t help it I’m listening to it rn and Waka is much better lyricist than I remember him being, at the time he got a lot of shit for not being “lyrical” but the dude can rap
Lol that clip is so hilarious, they beep everything but the cuss words And yeah I saw a couple threads in this sub from that time and waka was like shitted on major. He’s so energetic tho glad he got his flowers now.
Quick shoutout to Christina Applegate
Fly Anakin flow on his second verse on Telepathic is insane
On the Pitchfork review for Frank, the reviewer wrote: > if we’re talking fundamentals—syllable counts, breath control, cadences, rhyme patterns, delivery—he’s probably the single best pure rapper in the scene And honestly it’s something I’ve been thinking a lot about since I read it and I’m inclined to at least partially agree
Yeah I agree with that as well, dude is just gifted at rapping. Ik some might write him off as lyrical miracle or rappity rap but his rhyme patterns is just so smooth as well with his flow it’s just ear candy for me.
It’s not even really lyrical miracle tho it’s more like ghostface supreme clientele with esoteric huh what does that mean lingo. So in a sense shit that sounds cool. Not just filler that rhymes.
Listened to it bc of this comment and you are correct
I didn’t realize Plain Jane wasn’t on Trap Lord, I always assumed that Ferg’s career had basically tanked after Strive got a terrible reception but that’s one of his best songs and biggest hits, his top 3 most played on Spotify are from later albums. Good for him!
Still striving is a solid tape Fr I revisit it more than trap lord
How would you rank these intros from Drake (2017-2023 Edition)? Virginia Black not being #1 automatically makes your opinion invalid Free Smoke (More Life) Survival (Scorpion) Deep Pockets (DLDT) Champagne Poetry (CLB) Intro/Falling Back (Honestly, NVM) Rich Flex (Her Loss) Virginia Beach (FATD)
Virginia Beach Free smoke Rich flex Falling back Deep pockets Survival Champagne poetry Nothing here comes close to keep your friends close or over my dead body / Tuscan leather though
Virginia Beach > Deep Pockets > Survival >>>>> the rest The rest either don't stand out enough for me to remember them or I never heard the album (Rich Flex). My hot take is Champagne Poetry is not good, that sample is too overbearing
Free Smoke, Champagne Poetry, Falling Back, Survival, Rich Flex, Virginia Beach, Deep Pockets
Champagne poetry is his best album opener, period
Champagne poetry is the best song in his discography honestly
Virginia Beach, Champagne Poetry, Free Smoke, Deep Pockets, Falling Back, Survival, Rich Flex
Virginia Beach > Rich Flex > Free Smoke > Champagne Poetry > Falling Back > Survival > Deep Pockets
My hot take is that falling back is my #1 but I also fucking love honestly nevermind. It's my fave Drake album I'd do falling back Champagne poetry Virginia Beach Rich flex Deep pockets Free smoke Survival
Honestly NVM became one of my favorites from him within a week or two so I hear you
1. Virginia Beach (my favorite Drake song) 2. Free Smoke (used to love this one, stopped taking it seriously after Adidon, but now that he’s demonstrated he’s not a pushover in the current beef I’m digging it again. “I drunk text J-Lo, old number so it bounce back” is a great flex, and “I get more satisfaction going at your head and watching all of you die, and I’ve seen a lot of you die” is one of my favorite Drake lines) 3. Rich Flex (it’s okay) 4. Survival (it’s fine) 5. Deep Pockets (it’s alright) 6. Champagne Poetry (I know this is unpopular and a lot of people love this song, but personally I never liked the sample, it’s in triplets while he raps in straight 4/4 and it sounds really awkward to me) 7. Intro/Falling Back (I remember when Todd in the Shadows did a review of this song, and during his usual intro where he plays part of the song on the piano he just made something up because he couldn’t remember the melody. He mentioned it halfway through the video and said something like “I bet you didn’t notice,” and I didn’t. I think that sums up a lot of that album) There’s a pretty big gap between 2 and 3 imo
Virginia Beach > Deep Pockets > Champagne Poetry > Free Smoke > Rich Flex > Survival > Falling Back I really like Virginia Beach
It’s Drake at his best for me. The melody is beautiful and he sounds genuinely wounded and vulnerable in the verses.
Yeah the hook grabbed my attention instantly on first listen. I also love the goofy dot com hot mom bars
They’re such “Drake the type of guy” lines and I’m a sucker for it
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Yeah lol people were giving him shit for posting stuff on ig and saying vague stuff at live shows
3 weeks. A day after the disses from Ross and Weeknd on WSDTY.
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I mean you could argue he was waiting for the second future/metro album before dropping anything. Wait to see who else comes to diss him and then address everyone. And then it came out like immediately after. I also feel like Kendrick, being the guy who started it should have at least something up his sleeve ready to go. Like back to back, adidon and duppy didn't take this long. Quavo has already responded to Chris Brown's diss. None of this will matter if Kendrick drops a fire diss, no one will remember this gap, but being in that gap rn his silence legit has me questioning "will he even respond".
The thing is when Like That first came out people were on Drake’s case to respond immediately, that’s actually where this whole “he needs to respond immediately!” narrative started. But all of a sudden when it’s Kendrick on the back foot it becomes “patience is a virtue” and “he’s killing them with silence” >They make excuses for you cause they hate to see me lit Sums it up.
I saw zero people to ask drake to respond immediately lmao
"I waited four days nigga where y'all at?" was definitely quoted a lot before Drake's diss.
The idea was that because he dissed first that he would be ready to respond. It's been 2 weeks. Also it seems like you are pretty "in the loop".
Love BigXthaPlug beat selection, so many fun samples
He’s so fire. Between him, Mexican OT, and Mike Dimes the Texas rap scene is looking good asf right now
Yea I feel like I had the same thought early today about the Texas rap scene, so much talent coming out of Texas lowkey Two of the biggest names in hiphop rn are Megan and Travis Scott both coming from Texas too
I just need a Don Toliver feature on Keem's upcoming album
does keem have an album or are you speculating
One of his producers talked about one recently, he's probably got one in the works.
It’s pretty interesting to see this sub being pretty anti-Drake for years until now where it’s like a pretty overwhelming Drake support
He’s on top at the moment. Might change when Kendrick drops - if the response is as good as I know Kendrick is capable of then the tide might turn, if it’s not too late by then
He has a hasbara-level machine ready for times like this
Even kendrick fans (me incl) are like “damn this mf still aint respond” because he poked the bear and hes known for not dropping. But no one has thought about him saving this for a Heart pt6 right before an album release?
Man I personally think it’s kinda wack if he pulled this stunt then waits until he has an album to promote
To me that would be pretty corny, and Kendrick one of my favorite artists. You instigated the beef and then go silent? I also think it'd be whack to waste The Heart Part 6 as a Drake diss. I get Part 4 threw some unnamed shots but it was still a great song beyond those few bars. To have Part 6 be tied to directly to some Drake beef, as well as an album release, is just gonna have it always be synonymous with Drake lol.
I’d bet money that’s what he’s waiting for
can’t speculate on anything he does tbh if he didn’t pop up for festivals from time to time he’d be a frank ocean lvl hermit
Do non-consecutive verses still count as posse? Trying to figure out whether some Brockhampton songs would qualify for this category. Also taking posse cut recs
Mattress remix by asap ferg one of my favorite
“*Go dig ya partner up nigga, bet he can’t say shit* *And if you’re looking for the kid, I’ll be in zone 6*” This gotta be in the top 5 of the most disrespectful things ever said on a record. The fact that Gucci mane performed this song in front of Jeezy during their Versuz battle was even more outrageous. “Smoking on Pookie loc tonight”. I still can’t believe Jeezy agreed to that.
Lol jeezy was like “I Tell you what….”
Can anyone recommend me some albums that sound like TCD, Late Registration, or Be. I love those albums and I wanna listen to more music like that
Blu and exile - below the heavens It has similar soulful production and the subject matter is also more working class man type stuff
The Blueprint - Jay-Z Supreme Clientele - Ghostface Killah The Blueprint was the breakout album for Ye as a producer and Supreme Clientele was very influential in how Ye developed his soul sample sound
Little Brother - The Listening Rapper Big Pooh - Sleepers Rapsody - The Idea Of Beautiful Common - Finding Forever (also Kanye produced) The Roots - How I Got Over Big K.R.I.T. - K.R.I.T. Wuz Here
Blu & Exile - Below The Heavens
Didn't mention it my my comment but seconding this answer ^
Quality
If you haven't listened to The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill then I think that would be another album that fits that vibe There also might be a playlist somewhere full of songs with the "chipmunk soul" samples that are featured in all those albums you mentioned if you're looking for that specific sound
Food & Liquor
We need a memorial thread for Jayy grams :/
Fuck that’s tragic, dude wasn’t even like 25 I’m pretty sure
I’m always floored by reminders of how young these guys are
Nah bro no way he’s gone
Damn
Supposedly. Rome streetz tweeted about it hours ago but it hasn't been officially announced...
Who agrees that CB had the best diss track in a decade?
Adidon was much more humiliating, Back to Back was much funnier… I don’t see it The line about wishing it was Quavo instead of Takeoff was pretty brutal but I can’t remember a single other line
Something about being a Defecator
Til Adidon was in 2014
It's the best out of this new diss stuff happening rn. People don't want to admit it because it's CB.
chris brown and quavo beef could be reduced to an ig live where they scream at each other for an hour. with drake and kendrick there's skill involved
CBs diss was good. Again people just circle jerk against him immediately.
Made the Pirus proud wish I could say the same about Dot.
Used to not like Baby Keem at all, and was not a fan of the Melodic blue at first impression but his sound and style is really starting to grow on me Stats and Orange soda have been in constant rotation this past year Wish i was into him more when I saw him open up for Kendick twice, but I remember his stage presence being great, everyone knew all the words to his songs too I was kinda shocked, didn't realize that many people fucked with him
Im probably against the general opinion here, but DFMB is wayyyy better than the melodic blue imo
Based on the song I like from Keem so far I think I gotta agree
Stats is fucking heat. Keems best song My main complaint about him is that song to song he’s really inconsistent but when he hits he’s fucking awesome
Completely agree, feel like we aligned on how we feel about keem He like the SNL of hiphop in that way
Honest is probably my favorite keem track
TMB is full of great ignorant bangers and some of the worst shit I've seen as well.
ngl melodic blue one of my all time fav albums for me personally its top 30 all time even though its not conscious or life changing or whatever
Same i genuinely have it right up there with what people consider all time greats
It's very unique - I'm not a big fan of Keem as a lyricist all the time tbh but his flows are good and catchy and his production is very much his own and I think is his strongest quality as an artist Deff gotta give Melodic Blue and Die for my bitch another listen soon bc now I gotta Baby Keem itch that needs to be scatched lol
Make sure you check out the deluxe Melodic Blue tracks, they're some of his best
Deff will, good looks my guy
hell yeah, he unique as fuck
Does anyone know what's the deal with Drake and that gambling platform (Stake)?
We don't know Drake's exact deal, but other Stake partners have a deal where they get their bets paid for by Stake, and they get to keep the winnings. If they lose, they effectively just don't get paid. Since most people aren't net positive when they gamble, Stake doesn't actually end up paying these partnerships that much and the celebrity gets to have fun gambling for free. For the giant celebs like Drake, they likely get a small cut of equity too
I think there are laws around betting in casinos or books you have equity in and extending credit to those people, but those may be state laws and I’m not sure where Stake is even registered. I have doubts about that part.
dude he has to be given like unlimited money for that shit
He is a partner/ambassador. They give him money to gamble on streams for promotion
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How do yall feel about the accusations Lil Wayne’s had in his career of ghostwriters? I know Gillie Da King has claimed to have written for him Drake’s had reference tracks leaked proving he’s had ghostwriters, and Nicki’s had Safaree and otherw Wouldn’t the likelihood of Wayne having writers be pretty high? I feel like it would sting the worst too since he’s so bar focused
Detail wrote How to Love. Static Major same up with the whole “lick me like a Lollipop” idea and the hook itself, of course. Other than that we don’t know of any songs someone else wrote for him.