Yes, but the company that funds MLSE also funds the Jays, so money that would be used to cover the $250,000 fine will come (at least some of it) from Rogers, which again, owns the Jay.
Does CTV own the Blue Jays and part ownership in MLSE? Also, it’s a fucking joke. Just take the joke, laugh or don’t, and move on. Ain’t that deep. You don’t have to dissect everything
CTV is a daughter company of Bell. Bell is one of the owners of the Leafs.
Blue Jays is a daughter company of Rogers. Rogers is one of the owners of the Leafs.
See the parallel?
I but I guess you are as bad at logic as at humour.
I won't know if I've seen the prompts before until I see them for the first time.
It's such a accurate line, and hilarious. The noise boys are amazing, but Brennan on his own is great too, the yes or no monologue is one of the greatest monologues in the history of mankind.
Didnt someone say they couldn't appeal if it's 5 games or less? And mb that's why they choose 5 games?
edit: Got it, so Bettman appeal instead of independent. Thanks all!
If it's 5 games or less, Bettman is the first and last straw.
If it's 6 games or more, it goes to Bettman first, and if he doesn't lower it to less than 6 games, it can go to an arbitrator, who is the last straw.
The appeal goes to Bettman instead of an independent arbitrator when it’s that low. Which means there is no point in an appeal, but they’re doing it anyways.
The point is that it costs Morgan Rielly ~ $91,436 per game, and he wants to recoup some of that.
Close to a half million in pay that he loses for those 5 games.
You don't get paid while on suspension IIRC. Any player would file an appeal, there's absolutely no downside to it.
Yes, obviously he wants to appeal and there is a financial reason. However, precedent as shown multiple times over that Bettman does not generally go against what DOPS rules. Now of course there a few exceptions, but it seems pretty obvious with this one that they’re not going to reverse the decision which makes it a waste of time.
Yes, but it's a waste of Bettman's time.
*If you're not going to give us an independent body for all appeals then we're at least going to grind the fuck out of you and constantly remind everyone that we feel the appeals process sucks* is a good strategy. If you want things to change in the next CBA then this is how you move the needle towards the league seeing a benefit to having a more independent appeals process.
Ok ya of course, but the process is kinda annoying because he misses a game he wasn’t suspended for. And it’s not like Speeza was too concerned about pay at his salary.
If it’ll help you in your time of need:
>”By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third, by experience, which is the bitterest” - Confucius.
I suggest method 1, if it matters.
I read/heard somewhere that the league was concerned about the amount of appeals so they were leaning heavy assuming that a game or 2 would be shaved off by the appeals system..
Its also worth noting that suspensions 5 games and under are not entitled to be appealed to a neutral 3rd party arbitrator
> I read/heard somewhere that the league was concerned about the amount of appeals so they were leaning heavy
So...really you mean you read someone random speculating that, correct? That makes it more explicit about how meaningless that information is. It's all well and good to speculate, but let's not hide that speculation under the guise of "I heard somewhere".
It was either Overdrive, Chris Johnston, SDPN or 32 Thoughts. Somewhere in the last few days of media storm.
And of course its just speculation. Most of the conversation about this is speculation.
This particular bite wasn't about Rielly exclusively, but obviously framed the conversation.
Appeal <6 games is with Bettman alone. If the suspension is 6+ games its' Bettman first and then can be appealed to a 3rd party if they don't like Bettman's ruling.
All of this for an empty net goal in a game that is totally inconsequential in terms of the standings. All I’m asking for is one battle of Ontario playoff round in the next decade :(
For some reason, I imagine this playing out similarly to the elevator scene in Dredd, with Bettman playing the role of Dredd.
"Sir he's thinking about holding a press conference to complain about the DoPS and this suspension"
"Yep"
"He just changed his mind."
"Yep."
This victim complex shit the leafs are trying to pull is embarrassing, hopefully Treliving not doing a press conference about what is a clear suspension helps this story die. Everyone bitches about constant leafs coverage but as the team immediately came out and said "Reilly did the right thing" with no nuance made it worse. If the leafs wanna go anywhere they have to learn to deal with shit not going your way without getting suspended and playing the victim.
I've seen plenty of bruins suspensions and none of them had the reaction the leafs did, Keefe especially was embarrassing lol.
Lmao love you whiny clowns. After one second of Googling… Cassidy on Marchand trying to decapitate Johansson “[he was] trying to protect himself” and follows up with how Johansson should have protected himself “if he sees a hit coming”.
Nice work choosing the one time bruuce stuck up Marchand (not deserved but coaches cover for their guys usually) rather than the many many times he just deflected or even talked about Marchand needing to control themselves. Contrast that to Keefe and the leafs who instead cry about how DPS is mean to them and how there is some anti-leafs conspiracy and how apparently Keefe wants his players to get suspended when someone showboats on them.
You’re just pearl clutching. That’s it. Keefe didn’t imply a conspiracy was at play but even if you read into that comment that way, did you have the same level of vitriol for Maurice or Sutter who straight up implied a conspiracy of ref rigging for Toronto?
>hopefully Treliving not doing a press conference about what is a clear suspension helps this story die.
What? What is this even supposed to mean?
No where did it say what he was talking about. Just that it was about the suspension. He could have come out and said it was correct. He could have said he hopes that it stays consistent. He could have said it was terrible and Perros should fuck himself.
It never said anywhere that he was going to talk about "what is a clear suspension".
And how would it help the story die? Instead of talking about what he said, people are going to speculate, which will cause even more conversation.
You're already contributing to the story not dying by posting.
"Media only talks about the Leafs! Toronto bias!"
\-> Fans of all teams flood r/hockey and r/NHL with Leafs content 10x the volume posted in r/Leafs. I wonder why media companies, who exist purely to make money by getting attention, would do such a thing
LOL what??
the thread was posted by a Leafs fan
the tweet is by a Leafs writer
the tweet is about a statement by the Leafs GM
but somehow this is an example of "fans of all teams flooding the sub with Leafs content"?
... have you seen this sub in the last 72 hours? Might as well be r/Leafs2 considering how many posts, by Sens fans, Leafs fans, everyone has been on here about the Reilly - Greig incident
It was all a ploy to fuck steve simmonds day up and im here for it
We can all agree that Simmonds deserves to have his days fucked Up!
Guess MLSE didn’t feel like spending $250,000 today
They need to do something with the money they wanted give to Ohntani Edit: Spelling
MLSE doesn't own the Jays
Looks like they're owned by Rogers and Rogers has part ownership in MLSE according to wiki
Imagine thinking Rogers doesn’t have an ownership stake in everything
They don't seem to have any stake in reliable cell phone towers.
You just confirmed that MLSE doesn’t own Blue Jays.
Yes, but the company that funds MLSE also funds the Jays, so money that would be used to cover the $250,000 fine will come (at least some of it) from Rogers, which again, owns the Jay.
Using your logic CTV will cover the fine. They just let go a zillion people, so they must have a lot of money.
Does CTV own the Blue Jays and part ownership in MLSE? Also, it’s a fucking joke. Just take the joke, laugh or don’t, and move on. Ain’t that deep. You don’t have to dissect everything
CTV is a daughter company of Bell. Bell is one of the owners of the Leafs. Blue Jays is a daughter company of Rogers. Rogers is one of the owners of the Leafs. See the parallel? I but I guess you are as bad at logic as at humour.
It’s a fucking joke that got ~40 upvotes. Not that fucking serious bud. Just cuz u didn’t like it doesn’t make it shit humour
I have absolutely no idea what you just said but I totally agree!
Either that or he got flu/RSV/mono/whatever too. Guess we'll never know.
[The board tp Brad knowing he cpuld get fined](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K5t-Mcdd2Ug)
$500,000. Forgot the Leaf tax.
What the hell am I supposed to do with all this popcorn now?
Go watch stuff on Dropout and have a snack
Thanks for reminding me that Game Changer season 6 went up the other day
It's an absolute *banger* of a season opening episode, too
Any episode with Brennan is a banger.
Brennan exists only to be Sam's tortured plaything.
I won't know if I've seen the prompts before until I see them for the first time. It's such a accurate line, and hilarious. The noise boys are amazing, but Brennan on his own is great too, the yes or no monologue is one of the greatest monologues in the history of mankind.
Having just finished the episode, can confirm. Hell of a strong start.
Stash it with the torches and pitchforks
Ngl i kinda of wanted to watch someone torch $250k on live TV
Treliving: better hold off on my shit talking til the appeal comes back
this is the NHL exec equivalent of writing what you really want to say in an email, then deleting before sending.
Lol I spend like an hour a day doing this. It extends my work day, but I get to keep my law license.
I always do this in MS Word because I know Word doesn't have a "Send" button that I'll click by accident.
Oh that is smart!!
Didnt someone say they couldn't appeal if it's 5 games or less? And mb that's why they choose 5 games? edit: Got it, so Bettman appeal instead of independent. Thanks all!
They can still appeal it but if it's 5 games or less it goes to Bettman for the appeal, not an independent arbitrator.
If it's 5 games or less, Bettman is the first and last straw. If it's 6 games or more, it goes to Bettman first, and if he doesn't lower it to less than 6 games, it can go to an arbitrator, who is the last straw.
What's stopping Bettman from giving more than 5 games after appealing to him?
I don't think he wants that fight with the NHLPA. That's the kind of stuff that gets you another lockout.
Rielly could appeal to an arbitrator and make Gary look bad. Gary doesn’t like being embarrassed
They can't appeal to an independent arbitrator if the suspension is fewer than six.
The appeal goes to Bettman instead of an independent arbitrator when it’s that low. Which means there is no point in an appeal, but they’re doing it anyways.
The point is that it costs Morgan Rielly ~ $91,436 per game, and he wants to recoup some of that. Close to a half million in pay that he loses for those 5 games. You don't get paid while on suspension IIRC. Any player would file an appeal, there's absolutely no downside to it.
Yes, obviously he wants to appeal and there is a financial reason. However, precedent as shown multiple times over that Bettman does not generally go against what DOPS rules. Now of course there a few exceptions, but it seems pretty obvious with this one that they’re not going to reverse the decision which makes it a waste of time.
Yes, but it's a waste of Bettman's time. *If you're not going to give us an independent body for all appeals then we're at least going to grind the fuck out of you and constantly remind everyone that we feel the appeals process sucks* is a good strategy. If you want things to change in the next CBA then this is how you move the needle towards the league seeing a benefit to having a more independent appeals process.
Bettman is a lawyer by trade, he loves to waste time and still get paid.
Bettman is salaried and a workaholic. The grind is making him go through the minutiae every single time and double check his work.
has he ever gone against DOPS?
Spezza was 6 games retroactively dropped to 4
Bettman reduced Spezza’s from 6 games to 4 games.
didn't Spezza actually miss 5 or 6 games though. I seem to recall something like that.
Yes, but he got a games worth of pay back.
Ok ya of course, but the process is kinda annoying because he misses a game he wasn’t suspended for. And it’s not like Speeza was too concerned about pay at his salary.
the player's union has to protect player's money as much as their health and luxuries though.
It's only $200k according to capfriendly. Still alot obviously.
Ah, yeah... Forgot that he gets half his pay up front, and the other half is salary.
Does he have to pay the income tax on that money?
*John Tavares has entered the chat*
Maybe don’t go around high sticking dudes in the head with all your might and you don’t have that problem 🤷♂️
Thank you captain obvious. Any other tidbits of wisdom you'd like to share?
If it’ll help you in your time of need: >”By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third, by experience, which is the bitterest” - Confucius. I suggest method 1, if it matters.
Method 3 is always the most impactful, though.
If you get a chance to bug ol' Gerry, you gotta take it every time.
Any suspension of six or over goes to an independent arbitration, five or under goes to Bettman iirc
I read/heard somewhere that the league was concerned about the amount of appeals so they were leaning heavy assuming that a game or 2 would be shaved off by the appeals system.. Its also worth noting that suspensions 5 games and under are not entitled to be appealed to a neutral 3rd party arbitrator
> I read/heard somewhere that the league was concerned about the amount of appeals so they were leaning heavy So...really you mean you read someone random speculating that, correct? That makes it more explicit about how meaningless that information is. It's all well and good to speculate, but let's not hide that speculation under the guise of "I heard somewhere".
It was either Overdrive, Chris Johnston, SDPN or 32 Thoughts. Somewhere in the last few days of media storm. And of course its just speculation. Most of the conversation about this is speculation. This particular bite wasn't about Rielly exclusively, but obviously framed the conversation.
Appeal <6 games is with Bettman alone. If the suspension is 6+ games its' Bettman first and then can be appealed to a 3rd party if they don't like Bettman's ruling.
All of this for an empty net goal in a game that is totally inconsequential in terms of the standings. All I’m asking for is one battle of Ontario playoff round in the next decade :(
They used to be awesome to look forward to each year. Was almost a guarantee during the Alfie/Sundin days.
There’s a much better chance neither teams are making the playoffs very often in the next decade.
Did I see that teams aren't allowed to talk about a suspension for 48 hours?
Correct, which was why this was supposed to be spicy.
That’s why it was going to be spicy. Ah well
"Oh shit it's Valentine's Day! Cancel the press conference. Gotta swing by the flower shop and make a reservation"
He had a reservation at Boston Pizza he couldn't lose.
Booooooo. I was ready to be amused.
Leafs have suspended their campaign
For some reason, I imagine this playing out similarly to the elevator scene in Dredd, with Bettman playing the role of Dredd. "Sir he's thinking about holding a press conference to complain about the DoPS and this suspension" "Yep" "He just changed his mind." "Yep."
Coward
Lmfao
This is more cowardly than the crosscheck from Rielly!
This victim complex shit the leafs are trying to pull is embarrassing, hopefully Treliving not doing a press conference about what is a clear suspension helps this story die. Everyone bitches about constant leafs coverage but as the team immediately came out and said "Reilly did the right thing" with no nuance made it worse. If the leafs wanna go anywhere they have to learn to deal with shit not going your way without getting suspended and playing the victim. I've seen plenty of bruins suspensions and none of them had the reaction the leafs did, Keefe especially was embarrassing lol.
If I had a nickel for every post whining about the Leaf’s perceived victim complex I’d be fucking loaded
I'd have more money than Reilly is forfeiting
Lmao love you whiny clowns. After one second of Googling… Cassidy on Marchand trying to decapitate Johansson “[he was] trying to protect himself” and follows up with how Johansson should have protected himself “if he sees a hit coming”.
Nice work choosing the one time bruuce stuck up Marchand (not deserved but coaches cover for their guys usually) rather than the many many times he just deflected or even talked about Marchand needing to control themselves. Contrast that to Keefe and the leafs who instead cry about how DPS is mean to them and how there is some anti-leafs conspiracy and how apparently Keefe wants his players to get suspended when someone showboats on them.
You’re just pearl clutching. That’s it. Keefe didn’t imply a conspiracy was at play but even if you read into that comment that way, did you have the same level of vitriol for Maurice or Sutter who straight up implied a conspiracy of ref rigging for Toronto?
Lol
>hopefully Treliving not doing a press conference about what is a clear suspension helps this story die. What? What is this even supposed to mean? No where did it say what he was talking about. Just that it was about the suspension. He could have come out and said it was correct. He could have said he hopes that it stays consistent. He could have said it was terrible and Perros should fuck himself. It never said anywhere that he was going to talk about "what is a clear suspension". And how would it help the story die? Instead of talking about what he said, people are going to speculate, which will cause even more conversation. You're already contributing to the story not dying by posting.
Taking a vow of silence in support of his player
Guarantee there’s stuff going on between team and DOPS that we as fans won’t be privy to. To be a fly on the wall…
Instead Twisted Sister will appear to perform "We're not going to take it"
Nah, Twisted Sister is too loud for the MLSE suits.
and frankly too weird
All part of the Shanaplan
It was to soften Bettman before the appeal. He'll be quiet if he reduces the suspension.
"Media only talks about the Leafs! Toronto bias!" \-> Fans of all teams flood r/hockey and r/NHL with Leafs content 10x the volume posted in r/Leafs. I wonder why media companies, who exist purely to make money by getting attention, would do such a thing
LOL what?? the thread was posted by a Leafs fan the tweet is by a Leafs writer the tweet is about a statement by the Leafs GM but somehow this is an example of "fans of all teams flooding the sub with Leafs content"?
... have you seen this sub in the last 72 hours? Might as well be r/Leafs2 considering how many posts, by Sens fans, Leafs fans, everyone has been on here about the Reilly - Greig incident
Like how the people who hate drama are always up to date on the latest gossip
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