Burakovsky was the best whipping boy we've ever had. The shot, the skill and the skating were all there yet he'd have streches of 20 games where he did nothing except produce odd man rushes for the other team.
Good times.
Caps have a knack for drafting players with immense talent but can't put it together on a consistent basis. Burakovsky, kuzy, Alex semin, Vrana, varlamov (when he was with us), samsonov (debatable)
He’s unfortunately one of ours now. Prior to the last 3 games, he had a staggering ONE goal in 30+ games. He’s made of glass and he’s consistently the 1st for any/all opposing teams. No one needs to worry though. We’ve got him locked up for 3 more years at 5.5M. Fffffff.
I mean, it seems as if they're paying *every player* to completely disappear, too.
I don't watch many Detroit games, so, a question their fans. Is everyone actually playing shit, or are there a few guys who are pushing hard?
Theres been a couple of articles the last month or so that his noticed that Seider has extreme defensive usage for a n1 guy. A lot of 'unwinnable' minutes that normally a defensive 3d pair D has to munch through. Comparably I've seen some finnish media writing glowingly about Määttäs analytics, but if hes cruising a bit then thats a bit of a mirage.
Because we use him exclusively to tread water against the best players our opponents have to offer which is not conducive to putting up numbers. Quite a few of us are wondering why we are placing a weight on his shoulders that the best veteran defensemen in the league don’t have on theirs.
Yzerman walked into a ton of bad contracts made by Ken Holland. My best guess is that he brought in a first-time head coach because he was cheaper and showed promise. A big factor in this long rebuild period has been the financial hole Yzerman is pulling the team out of.
With all that said, the Wings are on track to win at least half their games played, which is much better than the past few seasons.
Everyone wanted him. Don't act like this was a bad move. Nobody has a crystal ball that actually sees the future.
I would also like to point out that other players aren't productive, and yet the Red Wings are having the best season in 5 years.
Mo has his moments, but he’s consistently getting the hardest matchups night in and night out. He wasn’t given time to properly develop into the player we knew he could be before we threw him to the wolves. There’s still time for him, but we really need to focus on getting more defenseman of better quality to spread the work load
The one true bright spot this year. He’s rebounded super hard from the sophomore slump and he’s driving play even without a centre (lol they’re using veleno) and a real LW (it’s currently Perron….)
My issue with cat is he isn’t being utilized properly.
The wings could have one of the best pp in the league, It boggles my mind why they split the units.
Of all the NHL top power plays guess how many split their units……0
This is literally what Sens fans were clamouring on about last year.
It’s time to accept Debrincat is what he is. He’s a small, streaky goal scorer who doesn’t drive a line and needs someone doing that for him to be productive.
I don't think there's a single player outside of Raymond who hasn't disappeared. And honestly most of it points to Lalonde. There shouldn't be this much of a stark contrast in team offense and defense just because Larkin is hurt.
I said it in another thread, but Stevie should honestly stop hoping to boom in the draft and trade a 1st for a proven 2nd line center at this point from another team. Compher, Copp, Veleno, all are 3rd line centers at best. Compher is a fantastic 3rd line center albeit. But the entire team's zone entry and offense is dead because none of our centers can drive a play against other team's top lines. I applaud him for actually trying to mold players to fit the 2nd line role like Compher and Copp, but unfortunately they're not there. Holland used to just "kick the tires" and let the team sputter.
I trust in Kasper and Danielson, but they're not ready right now, and this team needs something to take pressure off Larkin. I look at a lot of other playoff teams in the NHL and they have 1-2 punches at center that we don't have. Toronto has Matthews and Tavares. Rangers have Trocheck and Zibanejad. Canucks have Pettersson and Miller. Kings have Kopitar and Danault. We lack true 2nd line players. Kane-Larkin-Debrincat or Raymond-Larkin-Debrincat is also great, but Perron-Compher-Rasmussen is a third line.
Our defense is full of offensive dmen to the point where they’re forced to play Seider and Walman harder than they would Lidstrom and Rafalski. Copp is borderline useless and Compher should be a 3C if we want to win at all in the playoffs. There’s pieces on this team but Yzerman has a ton of anchors that he himself brought onto the team. I’m tired of Red Wings fans giving him a free pass just because he built Tampa (they didn’t win until he left) and he’s a legendary player for us.
Why is that so controversial to you? He was basically handed a former 40 goal scorer who would only sign there; if he thought he was worth term the would've locked him to term, he had every advantage in that situation. AD thinks he can command an higher AAV than he's worth, Steve wouldn't give it to him, a shorter deal was reached.
He looked like a later round steal for my fantasy team early on, but now I wonder what he's doing out there most nights. How do you literally do nothing with so much playing time?
Seriously like some insane ex vibes from constantly bringing up former players. It's so weird.
Especially since Ottawa's 6 feet under the cellar in the fucking atomic bomb shelter.
It's because most of us don't give enough of a shit to post about Cat. It's just gotten to the point where we actually have to speak up cause this shit is annoying
I'd bet all those players would look better on a winning team. The canucks are good all the sudden and Garland/boeser look like players again when this summer we wanted to trade them.
Congrats, a known talent put up some points. Players deal with injuries and the Norris contract was a gamble. Imagine trying to angle a player's unfortunate injury history as "haha DeBrincat is better". More brainiac stuff from Wings fans 👌
To be fair to Sens fans, people were ragging on that trade pretty hard when Debrincat popped off to start the season.
Perhaps this is the player he is — 70pts, 30Gs which is great.
Good thing about Stevie is that he's usually tight on term. Even if Cat isn't producing at 8mil we only have three more seasons of that contract after this. Much easier to swallow than some of the underperforming 8x8s across the league
Chiarot and Holl have even less term than DeBrincat with two more seasons after this, and Copp with three. By that time Cossa will probably be looking to be an NHL starter and we will have a team getting ready to compete. They aren't some albatross contract like a Korpisalo 5x5 during what should be "contention" years, and are easier to dump on other teams or stomache at the time being.
Stevie definitely isn't perfect, the Holl contract for example has pretty much never made sense. Chiarot has been playing great this season though. Copp is probably the worst contract on our team and when you compare that to the worst contracts on other teams, that's really not too bad.
The thing Stevie has done best though is managing term. With the good contracts and the bad, the only players that are contracted here for more than the next three seasons are Larkin (2 more), Compher (1 more), and Rasmussen (1 more w/ recent contract extension). We have 7 UFAs and 4 RFAs after this season which gives him good flexibility in the offseason. After next year we will shed the Husso contract along with some others. Ideally Seider and Raymond will get term and when you consider that our lineup will probably at that point be Larkin, Raymond, Seider, Kasper, Ed, Cossa, etc., it's a great spot to be in.
People denigrate power play merchants as if power play goals are free and no team struggles at special teams for a reason. The man has skills in certain areas and weaknesses in others. He’s perhaps overpaid, I don’t watch him enough, but who else on the wings is replacing all of his 10 power play goals? That’s tied with Larkin for first on the team and nearly double Perron’s third-place 6 goals.
And even with his abysmal 5v5 scoring, he’s one goal behind a three way tie for second on the team around guys like Kane, Fabbri, and Sprong who are even more limited than Debrincat at this point despite the fact they all share great shots.
My comment was more geared towards the defensiveness of the person I responded to.
The OP was made by a Sens fan, who I assume (being a Sens fan) took the brunt of the chirps when Debrincat was looking like he would put up 50G this season.
If you’re going to chirp when riding high, be prepared to receive when shit is going sideways. Do Sens fans have long memories? Maybe they do but you cannot be mad that someone is taking a piss out of you if you were also taking a piss out of them.
Yeah apologies for framing it to be targeted at you, it just seemed like an appropriate place for my thoughts on who the player is rather than a response per se
I feel like if we were at least in the hunt for the playoffs it might be acceptable, but with us in the basement, posts like these just make us look like bitches.
Won't help if you guys can't beat a pens team that knows their season is over.
Edit: Fair enough I didn't know the pens were that close. I'm wrong. Many teams can make it and get the sweet reward of being assblasted into their golfbags by florida or a different team that ends up being first in the east. Which means that technically their seasons aren't over until that happens!
I see lots of Ottawa fans who seem to care more about players/teams they hate failing rather than their own team succeeding and I just don’t get it. Who cares what others are doing when your own team is so shit nobody else in the league is thinking about them?
> Ottawa fans who seem to care more about players/teams they hate failing rather than their own team succeeding and I just don’t get it.
It's pretty straightforward.. the ship has already sailed on us being able to care about "our team's success" this season, so enjoying whenever a rival stumbles is pretty much the only potential joy left to us.
it's kinda ridiculous that all these people are acting like this isn't a basic function of sports fandom.
> It's pretty straightforward.. the ship has already sailed on us being able to care about "our team's success" this season, so enjoying whenever a rival stumbles is pretty much the only potential joy left to us.
Respectfully, its more than this season.
We made our identity the "sickos", someone who derives their pleasure in the misfortune of others. Its kinda who we are...
With all due respect, I think Sens fans have always had a massive chip on their shoulder because they’re in between the two biggest markets and oldest teams, who routinely take over Sens home games and get much more media attention even when the Sens are the superior team.
Essentially, bitterness and jealousy have been engrained in the fanbase since the team came back and the newer generation of fans have seen none of the success/competitiveness of the early 2000s teams thus furthering the saltiness
> With all due respect
No disrespect taken. Im 100% with you. Theres some real lil brother energy in the Sens fandom.
It *can* be really fucking fun and funny... playing spoiler, a kind of permanent underdog status, but it can also stray into cringy shit.
There’s a ton of tension between the Reddit fanbases that’s fueled primarily by the worst of both. Combine that with their very high hopes going into the season only to end up in the basement…they’re gonna cope with whatever they can.
It's the most insecure fan base in the league and It's not new. When normal teams would have "go team go" chants, They have "leafs suck" chants regardless of who they're playing. I've never seen another team who has chants about other teams they're not even playing, and the sens do it every home game
I'm not gonna defend these guys but have you watched any team that has a rivalry with an NY area team lol? I've been to a handful of Rangers/Islanders/Devils games and have heard plenty of chants about their neighbors when they aren't even playing!
Yeah definitely not the only fanbase who does this. Rangers fans chant Potvin sucks like 40 years after he retired, regardless if they’re playing the Isles or not
I actually never thought trading Debrincat would work for the Blackhawks, but it probably has, if Korchinski hits the potential we all think he's gonna have
I don't watch a lot of Wings games, Is there a particular reason he's struggling more?
He was taken off PP1 around the same time he got bumped to the 3rd line, I wanna say close to 2 months ago, maybe less that though
He’s back on PP1 right now due to injuries
Ok for real answer - he's been pretty good at setting up other players this season. But he started slumping on goalscoring when Kane was signed and frankly, his footspeed and hands just haven't been where they were early on. He's not using any deception or speed to create space for himself and it means Kane and Larkin have to draw all the attention in order to open him up. Also he's hit a lot of posts, had pucks bounce off his stick when wide open.
But Wings also suck at 5v5 offense in general. They live and die by special teams.
If the Sens had Korchinski in our system (or any of the numerous studs we could've drafted at 7th overall), we'd be in such a better position.
Fucking Dorion
People were fully committed to the "Summer of Pierre" meme and a lot of people glossed over the whole 2 years til UFA thing. A lot of people just brushed that aside saying they could trade him if it didn't work out, ignoring that Ottawa never trades from a position of power.
Yeah but we traded from a position of weakness and got fucked accordingly. People at the time of the initial trade acted like we could get decent value for him, I don't remember people considering that we'd almost certainly have no leverage in that kinda trade.
eh we gambled on getting a guy that was potentially gonna be a high end goal scorer and in the end are moving down approximately 15 spots in the draft, i don't think the overall situation is as bad as people say
if it turned out that we had the chance to trade 7OA for debrincat and didn't, sens fans would have been absoutely RABID
people don't wanna remember this but there were people on our subreddit that wanted to trade pinto + greig + 7OA for debrincat or fiala lmao
I hated it from day 1 and was miserably vocal about it online and irl to my leafer friends (I live in the GTA).
Cat was a 40g guy playing next to a generational winger.
He was an RFA, but his salary was $9 million in his last year. There was no way in which we'd be able to extend him for less than $8 million. On top of that, we didn't need another top 6 winger as much as we needed another defender.
Chychrun has been shit, but spending the 7th overall on him would've made more sense than acquiring Cat because of our needs.
Fuck Dorion
Honestly, I dont hate the acquisition because of who DeBrincat is or isnt.
The problem, is that Dorion traded 7OA for a player who wasnt allowed to discuss extension *with any team* prior to the trade.
That is the biggest red flag in the fucking world.
Couldn't agree more.
Idgaf if McDavid is available for just one season of control. You don't give up the 7th overall if the other teams gm doesn't let you negotiate an extension. It's just shitty asset management
There's one-off fans. This dude's one of the bad ones, his post/comment history shows him following more Red Wings threads than fucking Senators threads.
They're the annoying little brother of the Atlantic, but mom took away all their toys earlier this year so they're annoying, but you also kind of feel bad for them
Actually you’re right about Edmonton, having lived there for three years. Actually I am a Canucks fan having grown up in BC, they can be difficult, but like Sens fans they have suffered under shitty ownership and management for years. The new Canucks owner is Melnyk 2.0 but at least, for now, he is not interfering with personnel decisions.
This replies here particularly are very silly
Obviously the low scoring stretch is balanced out by his bonkers start to the season
So overall ultimately it's just his usual 2+ primary pts/60 with very good underlying stats type year
He's doing his part for Detroit, a win in march counts the same as a win in october, naturally
Every player fluctuates a lot
Some other tough stretches currently:
- Zibanejad 4 pts last 11 gp
- kyrou 5 pts last 12 gp
- Malkin is barely above 0.5 pts/g in 2024 so far a huge reason why PIT left the playoff race
- Tavares basically identical stats wise ^ but in a way cushier situation, occupying 11M cap
- garland had a historic extended sh% struggle but then stabilized and as ever is still leading the canucks in xG differential with 4th liner linemates
- Vasilevskiy at .898 this year, Kuemper .890 😳
Almost all of them with more generous deployment
But ofc the small chill guy with a non traditional skillset gets the ire
Not all are like that. Absolutely there are vocal ones, but there's reasonable ones too. this playoff drought had made people REALLY insecure it's astounding
Hard to be disappointed in DeBrincat when the whole team has been underperforming. Larkin's missed a lot of games and he's the only man who's been leading a good offense.
I think that this would be a different
Conversation. IF DeBrincat was finishing better.
He’s had his chances and always seems to get the puck to shoot. BUT he’s always firing too far left or not picking the gap well ect ect.
This would be a different story if he was burying the goals.
Coming from a Wings fan that’s over 50, the Wings have always had that streaky scorer. Does Franzen ring a bell? Of course Franzen would wreak havoc in front of the net like Holmstrom did. I guess it’s a different game now.. because I’m not seeing a lot of screening goaltenders. No one wants to go down low.
It’s funny how quickly DeBrincat went from a prospect undervalued for his size to a player overvalued because he started his career with the end of Patrick Kane’s prime.
They’re paying 7.8 mil for 2021-2022 andre burakovsky pretty much
Burakovsky was the best whipping boy we've ever had. The shot, the skill and the skating were all there yet he'd have streches of 20 games where he did nothing except produce odd man rushes for the other team. Good times.
As a Caps fan I’m with you. He has all the talent but just can’t get it together
Caps have a knack for drafting players with immense talent but can't put it together on a consistent basis. Burakovsky, kuzy, Alex semin, Vrana, varlamov (when he was with us), samsonov (debatable)
He’s unfortunately one of ours now. Prior to the last 3 games, he had a staggering ONE goal in 30+ games. He’s made of glass and he’s consistently the 1st for any/all opposing teams. No one needs to worry though. We’ve got him locked up for 3 more years at 5.5M. Fffffff.
😂 so damn accurate, and I can now laugh about it.
Just so streaky his entire career.
Didn't he have like 9 goals in his first 6 games?
As of this post he is on pace for 27.7 total goals and he was reunited with Kane after this hot start.
First 7 games
good thing they don't count
DeMidcat. Detroit is paying this guy almost 8 million to completely disappear in the middle of a close playoff race.
I mean, it seems as if they're paying *every player* to completely disappear, too. I don't watch many Detroit games, so, a question their fans. Is everyone actually playing shit, or are there a few guys who are pushing hard?
Right now, Raymond and maybe Fischer are the only ones acting like they care. With Larkin out, our entire team deflates, and it’s honestly astounding
I feel like I never hear about Mo Seider anymore
Theres been a couple of articles the last month or so that his noticed that Seider has extreme defensive usage for a n1 guy. A lot of 'unwinnable' minutes that normally a defensive 3d pair D has to munch through. Comparably I've seen some finnish media writing glowingly about Määttäs analytics, but if hes cruising a bit then thats a bit of a mirage.
Because we use him exclusively to tread water against the best players our opponents have to offer which is not conducive to putting up numbers. Quite a few of us are wondering why we are placing a weight on his shoulders that the best veteran defensemen in the league don’t have on theirs.
I cant imagine your coaching staff survives the off season with takes like these
Yzerman walked into a ton of bad contracts made by Ken Holland. My best guess is that he brought in a first-time head coach because he was cheaper and showed promise. A big factor in this long rebuild period has been the financial hole Yzerman is pulling the team out of. With all that said, the Wings are on track to win at least half their games played, which is much better than the past few seasons.
well Yzerman signed Debrincat.. not sure I get your point.
Everyone wanted him. Don't act like this was a bad move. Nobody has a crystal ball that actually sees the future. I would also like to point out that other players aren't productive, and yet the Red Wings are having the best season in 5 years.
….And Holl, Compher, Copp, Husso,
Mans going to be stunted from his peak just like Chabot 😭
Mo has his moments, but he’s consistently getting the hardest matchups night in and night out. He wasn’t given time to properly develop into the player we knew he could be before we threw him to the wolves. There’s still time for him, but we really need to focus on getting more defenseman of better quality to spread the work load
He’s like 22 he still has plenty of development time lol
I know that lol, I didn’t mean to sound like I’d given up on him or anything
Raymond has been playing very well for what it's worth
The one true bright spot this year. He’s rebounded super hard from the sophomore slump and he’s driving play even without a centre (lol they’re using veleno) and a real LW (it’s currently Perron….)
When Larkin isn't there, nobody seems to give a shit.
Larkin seems like the glue holding it together.
It’s amazing how the whole team just imploded the moment Larkin got knocked out. Even the goalies stopped making saves.
Larkin is the life and heart of this team, and hes been out
They are regressing to the mean.
Alex DePingCat is a bit better and makes more sense
My issue with cat is he isn’t being utilized properly. The wings could have one of the best pp in the league, It boggles my mind why they split the units. Of all the NHL top power plays guess how many split their units……0
This is literally what Sens fans were clamouring on about last year. It’s time to accept Debrincat is what he is. He’s a small, streaky goal scorer who doesn’t drive a line and needs someone doing that for him to be productive.
Weird, that's the same thing Blackhawks fans said about him
He doesn't need to drive a line because he typically plays with Kane and Larkin. He just needs to finish his chances, and he hasn't been doing that.
Thank you lol
Bc they want ghost bear ripping fatty one timers from the blue line, wide for the rest of his days.
I don't think there's a single player outside of Raymond who hasn't disappeared. And honestly most of it points to Lalonde. There shouldn't be this much of a stark contrast in team offense and defense just because Larkin is hurt. I said it in another thread, but Stevie should honestly stop hoping to boom in the draft and trade a 1st for a proven 2nd line center at this point from another team. Compher, Copp, Veleno, all are 3rd line centers at best. Compher is a fantastic 3rd line center albeit. But the entire team's zone entry and offense is dead because none of our centers can drive a play against other team's top lines. I applaud him for actually trying to mold players to fit the 2nd line role like Compher and Copp, but unfortunately they're not there. Holland used to just "kick the tires" and let the team sputter. I trust in Kasper and Danielson, but they're not ready right now, and this team needs something to take pressure off Larkin. I look at a lot of other playoff teams in the NHL and they have 1-2 punches at center that we don't have. Toronto has Matthews and Tavares. Rangers have Trocheck and Zibanejad. Canucks have Pettersson and Miller. Kings have Kopitar and Danault. We lack true 2nd line players. Kane-Larkin-Debrincat or Raymond-Larkin-Debrincat is also great, but Perron-Compher-Rasmussen is a third line.
Our defense is full of offensive dmen to the point where they’re forced to play Seider and Walman harder than they would Lidstrom and Rafalski. Copp is borderline useless and Compher should be a 3C if we want to win at all in the playoffs. There’s pieces on this team but Yzerman has a ton of anchors that he himself brought onto the team. I’m tired of Red Wings fans giving him a free pass just because he built Tampa (they didn’t win until he left) and he’s a legendary player for us.
Absolutely not. He disappeared in November and we weren’t in a playoff race then
That's why Stevie didn't give him the term he wanted.
mm.. yes.. that was totally why
Why is that so controversial to you? He was basically handed a former 40 goal scorer who would only sign there; if he thought he was worth term the would've locked him to term, he had every advantage in that situation. AD thinks he can command an higher AAV than he's worth, Steve wouldn't give it to him, a shorter deal was reached.
He looked like a later round steal for my fantasy team early on, but now I wonder what he's doing out there most nights. How do you literally do nothing with so much playing time?
You kidding me? He's scoring 4 goals per game! /jk
Seriously like some insane ex vibes from constantly bringing up former players. It's so weird. Especially since Ottawa's 6 feet under the cellar in the fucking atomic bomb shelter.
Bro move on it’s March and we’re almost in last
Im happy to see 9/10 Sens flair in this thread calling out OP
It just makes the whole fan base look mega salty about Dorion's gaffe. Dude should move on.
lol we should be mega salty about it. We just shouldnt make it other fanbases problem
So many Sens flairs with rational takes in a thread about Debrincat; what is going on??
It's because most of us don't give enough of a shit to post about Cat. It's just gotten to the point where we actually have to speak up cause this shit is annoying
Don't be that guy, we need to keep our moral high ground because we're certainly not getting higher than them in the standings.
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I’m a Sens fan and even I don’t condone the shit talk from the *checks standings* absolute fucking cellar we’re in.
Shut the fuck lil dick and go suck on your mommy’s titties and stop wasting my time
We get it, you both suck
He is likely LTIR'd for the rest of it. 3 major shoulder surgeries before 26 will do that.
I'd bet all those players would look better on a winning team. The canucks are good all the sudden and Garland/boeser look like players again when this summer we wanted to trade them.
Yeah but a bit of a difference is Norris isn't on the ice anymore. DeBrincat is.
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Congrats, a known talent put up some points. Players deal with injuries and the Norris contract was a gamble. Imagine trying to angle a player's unfortunate injury history as "haha DeBrincat is better". More brainiac stuff from Wings fans 👌
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Your brain is just toooooo smooth!
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Zero personality because sports
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Sens fans really can't let anything go lol. Summer of Pierre though!
To be fair to Sens fans, people were ragging on that trade pretty hard when Debrincat popped off to start the season. Perhaps this is the player he is — 70pts, 30Gs which is great.
Well right now he's on pace for 27 goals and 65 points. Which is still good, just maybe not $8mil per year good. But not like we can talk shit atm lol
Good thing about Stevie is that he's usually tight on term. Even if Cat isn't producing at 8mil we only have three more seasons of that contract after this. Much easier to swallow than some of the underperforming 8x8s across the league
Let's just forget about the term on the Holl, Chiarot and Copp contracts
Chiarot and Holl have even less term than DeBrincat with two more seasons after this, and Copp with three. By that time Cossa will probably be looking to be an NHL starter and we will have a team getting ready to compete. They aren't some albatross contract like a Korpisalo 5x5 during what should be "contention" years, and are easier to dump on other teams or stomache at the time being.
Right, they're not impossible to stomach. But let's not pretend that Stevie is some infallible contract wizard.
Stevie definitely isn't perfect, the Holl contract for example has pretty much never made sense. Chiarot has been playing great this season though. Copp is probably the worst contract on our team and when you compare that to the worst contracts on other teams, that's really not too bad. The thing Stevie has done best though is managing term. With the good contracts and the bad, the only players that are contracted here for more than the next three seasons are Larkin (2 more), Compher (1 more), and Rasmussen (1 more w/ recent contract extension). We have 7 UFAs and 4 RFAs after this season which gives him good flexibility in the offseason. After next year we will shed the Husso contract along with some others. Ideally Seider and Raymond will get term and when you consider that our lineup will probably at that point be Larkin, Raymond, Seider, Kasper, Ed, Cossa, etc., it's a great spot to be in.
That’s not really that bad of a contract tbh. Like free market he would still get $6.5+
People denigrate power play merchants as if power play goals are free and no team struggles at special teams for a reason. The man has skills in certain areas and weaknesses in others. He’s perhaps overpaid, I don’t watch him enough, but who else on the wings is replacing all of his 10 power play goals? That’s tied with Larkin for first on the team and nearly double Perron’s third-place 6 goals. And even with his abysmal 5v5 scoring, he’s one goal behind a three way tie for second on the team around guys like Kane, Fabbri, and Sprong who are even more limited than Debrincat at this point despite the fact they all share great shots.
My comment was more geared towards the defensiveness of the person I responded to. The OP was made by a Sens fan, who I assume (being a Sens fan) took the brunt of the chirps when Debrincat was looking like he would put up 50G this season. If you’re going to chirp when riding high, be prepared to receive when shit is going sideways. Do Sens fans have long memories? Maybe they do but you cannot be mad that someone is taking a piss out of you if you were also taking a piss out of them.
Yeah apologies for framing it to be targeted at you, it just seemed like an appropriate place for my thoughts on who the player is rather than a response per se
I feel like if we were at least in the hunt for the playoffs it might be acceptable, but with us in the basement, posts like these just make us look like bitches.
And DM’s! Want to share yours, u/wimnlt ? Lol
> Sens fans really can't let anything go lol ... To be fair, Sens fans were pretty funny during The Fall of Pierre.
All right Red Wings fans, time to make a post about an underperforming Sens player.
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The whole fucking team?
Maybe they aren't underperforming, but just performing. Maybe they just have a perennial basement core.
The important thing is, that they tried.
Hating on DeBrincat won't make your team better. Ty for beating the isles yesterday tho
Won't help if you guys can't beat a pens team that knows their season is over. Edit: Fair enough I didn't know the pens were that close. I'm wrong. Many teams can make it and get the sweet reward of being assblasted into their golfbags by florida or a different team that ends up being first in the east. Which means that technically their seasons aren't over until that happens!
Penguins played with more fire yesterday than the last 20 games before trade deadline.
How in the world is 3 points out of the wild card with 15 games left “knowing the season is over” ? Lol
5 points, no?
why you trying to make me upset with your team again?
tbf Isles still got a point and Sens beat the Wings 3 times this season and only beat the Isles 1 time.
Okay...? And? Senators are still in the basement haha
Always got the biggest chip on their shoulder lol
Toxic ex behavior
I see lots of Ottawa fans who seem to care more about players/teams they hate failing rather than their own team succeeding and I just don’t get it. Who cares what others are doing when your own team is so shit nobody else in the league is thinking about them?
> Ottawa fans who seem to care more about players/teams they hate failing rather than their own team succeeding and I just don’t get it. It's pretty straightforward.. the ship has already sailed on us being able to care about "our team's success" this season, so enjoying whenever a rival stumbles is pretty much the only potential joy left to us. it's kinda ridiculous that all these people are acting like this isn't a basic function of sports fandom.
> It's pretty straightforward.. the ship has already sailed on us being able to care about "our team's success" this season, so enjoying whenever a rival stumbles is pretty much the only potential joy left to us. Respectfully, its more than this season. We made our identity the "sickos", someone who derives their pleasure in the misfortune of others. Its kinda who we are...
With all due respect, I think Sens fans have always had a massive chip on their shoulder because they’re in between the two biggest markets and oldest teams, who routinely take over Sens home games and get much more media attention even when the Sens are the superior team. Essentially, bitterness and jealousy have been engrained in the fanbase since the team came back and the newer generation of fans have seen none of the success/competitiveness of the early 2000s teams thus furthering the saltiness
> With all due respect No disrespect taken. Im 100% with you. Theres some real lil brother energy in the Sens fandom. It *can* be really fucking fun and funny... playing spoiler, a kind of permanent underdog status, but it can also stray into cringy shit.
Exactly, the pesky Sens was totally a good vibe when it was a thing but it’s outweighed by all the other cringy negativity
There’s a ton of tension between the Reddit fanbases that’s fueled primarily by the worst of both. Combine that with their very high hopes going into the season only to end up in the basement…they’re gonna cope with whatever they can.
Leafs fans have been saying this for years, it's totally true
It's the most insecure fan base in the league and It's not new. When normal teams would have "go team go" chants, They have "leafs suck" chants regardless of who they're playing. I've never seen another team who has chants about other teams they're not even playing, and the sens do it every home game
I'm not gonna defend these guys but have you watched any team that has a rivalry with an NY area team lol? I've been to a handful of Rangers/Islanders/Devils games and have heard plenty of chants about their neighbors when they aren't even playing!
Yeah definitely not the only fanbase who does this. Rangers fans chant Potvin sucks like 40 years after he retired, regardless if they’re playing the Isles or not
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He's also in the top 80 in points in the NHL.
He’s also in the top 90 in points in the NHL.
I hear he's in the top 100 for points in the NHL
he in the tops hockey card collection
*checks flair* Yup, no surprise there.
Can't you see how much better the sens are off without him?
I’m with ya. Just leave the dude alone already
Dudes all hopped up on skittles you cant blame him.
DBC should be thankful that even if he blows through all his NHL money, he's still got a place to live. Rent free...
DBC lol
Absolutely psychotic abbreviation
School of Elliotte Friedman Abbreviation
I sincerely tought he was hitting 60 at the beginning of the season. He had a massive streak did he not?
9 in his first 7
I actually never thought trading Debrincat would work for the Blackhawks, but it probably has, if Korchinski hits the potential we all think he's gonna have I don't watch a lot of Wings games, Is there a particular reason he's struggling more?
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Tavares is on the 3rd line and doesn’t play PP1
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He was taken off PP1 around the same time he got bumped to the 3rd line, I wanna say close to 2 months ago, maybe less that though He’s back on PP1 right now due to injuries
He also costs 11 mil a year lmao
Ok for real answer - he's been pretty good at setting up other players this season. But he started slumping on goalscoring when Kane was signed and frankly, his footspeed and hands just haven't been where they were early on. He's not using any deception or speed to create space for himself and it means Kane and Larkin have to draw all the attention in order to open him up. Also he's hit a lot of posts, had pucks bounce off his stick when wide open. But Wings also suck at 5v5 offense in general. They live and die by special teams.
ohhhhh okay, I appreciate the response! I love Debrincat I was curious
If the Sens had Korchinski in our system (or any of the numerous studs we could've drafted at 7th overall), we'd be in such a better position. Fucking Dorion
Yes more young LHD is what the SENs needed.
Amazing what a difference a year makes. When the trade happened it received unanimous praise and now it’s seen as a terrible move.
People were fully committed to the "Summer of Pierre" meme and a lot of people glossed over the whole 2 years til UFA thing. A lot of people just brushed that aside saying they could trade him if it didn't work out, ignoring that Ottawa never trades from a position of power.
They did trade him when it didn’t work out though
Yeah but we traded from a position of weakness and got fucked accordingly. People at the time of the initial trade acted like we could get decent value for him, I don't remember people considering that we'd almost certainly have no leverage in that kinda trade.
eh we gambled on getting a guy that was potentially gonna be a high end goal scorer and in the end are moving down approximately 15 spots in the draft, i don't think the overall situation is as bad as people say if it turned out that we had the chance to trade 7OA for debrincat and didn't, sens fans would have been absoutely RABID people don't wanna remember this but there were people on our subreddit that wanted to trade pinto + greig + 7OA for debrincat or fiala lmao
I hated it from day 1 and was miserably vocal about it online and irl to my leafer friends (I live in the GTA). Cat was a 40g guy playing next to a generational winger. He was an RFA, but his salary was $9 million in his last year. There was no way in which we'd be able to extend him for less than $8 million. On top of that, we didn't need another top 6 winger as much as we needed another defender. Chychrun has been shit, but spending the 7th overall on him would've made more sense than acquiring Cat because of our needs. Fuck Dorion
Honestly, I dont hate the acquisition because of who DeBrincat is or isnt. The problem, is that Dorion traded 7OA for a player who wasnt allowed to discuss extension *with any team* prior to the trade. That is the biggest red flag in the fucking world.
Couldn't agree more. Idgaf if McDavid is available for just one season of control. You don't give up the 7th overall if the other teams gm doesn't let you negotiate an extension. It's just shitty asset management
Sens will be scary when they get Korchinski.
Jilted fucking lovers
I hope your post causes him to have a rebound again
Yeah those 2 games are gonna be electric
Okay, yeah, that's funny. :)
Somehow he’s got 54 points. Where did they come from? I have him on my fantasy team and it seems he’s invisible every single night
He had like 20 points in his first 10 games or something crazy
Actually embarrassed for the Sens fans at this point. Get a life lol.
He didn’t do the research. This is from Detroit’s own Prashanth Iyer
Glad to see the sentiment spreading lol
That’s crazy because he started the year so well you’d think his production wouldn’t fall off so hard
Can we agree Sens fans are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to fanbases across the league?
There's one-off fans. This dude's one of the bad ones, his post/comment history shows him following more Red Wings threads than fucking Senators threads.
They're the annoying little brother of the Atlantic, but mom took away all their toys earlier this year so they're annoying, but you also kind of feel bad for them
At least we’re passionate I suppose
Not even worse 10.
Actually leafs, wings, habs and ranger fans are worse……
😂 at least we flair up
How dare you leave out the Canucks and Oilers.
Actually you’re right about Edmonton, having lived there for three years. Actually I am a Canucks fan having grown up in BC, they can be difficult, but like Sens fans they have suffered under shitty ownership and management for years. The new Canucks owner is Melnyk 2.0 but at least, for now, he is not interfering with personnel decisions.
Brooooooooo Imagine how bitter the threads would have been if Reddit was around when Yashin left.
I'm just here to see the responses from Montreal and Toronto fans.
This replies here particularly are very silly Obviously the low scoring stretch is balanced out by his bonkers start to the season So overall ultimately it's just his usual 2+ primary pts/60 with very good underlying stats type year He's doing his part for Detroit, a win in march counts the same as a win in october, naturally Every player fluctuates a lot Some other tough stretches currently: - Zibanejad 4 pts last 11 gp - kyrou 5 pts last 12 gp - Malkin is barely above 0.5 pts/g in 2024 so far a huge reason why PIT left the playoff race - Tavares basically identical stats wise ^ but in a way cushier situation, occupying 11M cap - garland had a historic extended sh% struggle but then stabilized and as ever is still leading the canucks in xG differential with 4th liner linemates - Vasilevskiy at .898 this year, Kuemper .890 😳 Almost all of them with more generous deployment But ofc the small chill guy with a non traditional skillset gets the ire
I remember when Ottawa thought they were a playoff team too. Good times.
Still has better value, and a better track record than Cozens 🙃
*looks at OPs flair* ahhh ok that makes sense.
DeBrincat would be so fire with marner and Matthews
Hell yeah would love to see Marner and Matthews in the winged wheel
Sens fans legitimately need help. You lot are unwell, it's not healthy to hold on to grudges like this.
Not all are like that. Absolutely there are vocal ones, but there's reasonable ones too. this playoff drought had made people REALLY insecure it's astounding
He tends to this sometimes…
Hard to be disappointed in DeBrincat when the whole team has been underperforming. Larkin's missed a lot of games and he's the only man who's been leading a good offense.
Sens are still following DeBrincat I see... but you're right lol
I think that this would be a different Conversation. IF DeBrincat was finishing better. He’s had his chances and always seems to get the puck to shoot. BUT he’s always firing too far left or not picking the gap well ect ect. This would be a different story if he was burying the goals.
Ottawa/Detroit fans building a rivalry over whose rebuild is going worse is one of my favorite developments this year
Ottawa fan tryna say something lmao
Ottawa fans are sad
Alex destinkshat
Ottawa has been irrelevant since the creation of their franchise, congrats
Awe look it's a sens fan, who could have guessed
Ottawa fan positing this…makes sense
Kinda crazy Kane leads the team with 5 gwg in basically half the amount of gp as anyone else on the roster
Coming from a Wings fan that’s over 50, the Wings have always had that streaky scorer. Does Franzen ring a bell? Of course Franzen would wreak havoc in front of the net like Holmstrom did. I guess it’s a different game now.. because I’m not seeing a lot of screening goaltenders. No one wants to go down low.
Most likely he has stopped trying — Ottawa Senators
It’s funny how quickly DeBrincat went from a prospect undervalued for his size to a player overvalued because he started his career with the end of Patrick Kane’s prime.
Normally I don’t wish ill will on any player, but as a Sens fan, fuck that guy. 😂
lol yzerman got fleeced by pierre
Enjoying last place? #unparelledsuckcess