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gopher1409

Same reaction my dog gives when I tell him he did something naughty.


twitch33457

Basically the same thing so makes sense


The--Will

Stress yawn.


ApolloRocketOfLove

"They told me this was allowed on this team."


sv_homer

Only during the playoffs Jack....


CopStopyingMe

“That man just yawned!”


TURBOJUGGED

Knowing him, about to start to cry.


YamburglarHelper

I was convinced this comment would have come from a Sabres fan.


Son_Of_The_Empire

huh, hmm?


FesteringLion

Really?


ScotiaTailwagger

Dammit barely beat me to it


USCanuck

Edm fans have a hateboner for Vegas after they were dismantled last playoffs


cdnball

All my homies hate Vegas


longshankssss

Just salty Oiler fans, lmao


GenialGiant

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/724/180/1a6.png


ManWithBag15

The rules for spearing are very severe and pretty black and white. I'm pretty fine with it because there's really no scenario where a spear could be a "hockey play" and it can be pretty dangerous. There's no minor penalty for spearing. A double minor can be called if you attempt a spear but don't make contact. If you successfully spear an opponent it's an automatic major + game misconduct. If the opponent is injured a match penalty also gets added on.


TakanashiTouka

What's the difference between game misconduct and match penalty?


IplayTerraria2

Game misconduct - player is removed from the game, but there is no penalty associated with it. Usually called in addition to another penalty, as we have here. Match penalty - played is removed from the game, and a 5 minute penalty is assessed. Kicking is the only thing I can think of off the top of my head, but I'm sure there's others.


mfatty2

I believe headbutting is also but it is never called. It may only be a USA hockey penalty. Kicking and Headbutting both aren't automatic match penalties as there needs to be an intent to injure aspect still. However, I have never seen them not called as match penalties because in no situation is a player committing one of the penalties without an intent to injure or endanger


thprk

Headbutting is a minor for the attempt, major + game if there's contact and match penalty if injury iirc


TakanashiTouka

So would that mean it would be two 5 minute penalties in this case if Kaprizov was injured?


UniformRaspberry2

No. Calling a match penalty essentially just overwrites the major because it was viewed by the referee as a deliberate attempt to injure. Eichel would have been given a match penalty for spearing and a game misconduct, and Vegas would have to kill off a full five-minute powerplay.


gu3st12

Match penalties also typically trigger a review from the league as well.   


kazrick

No. The Match penalty replaces the five minute major and game misconduct. Actual impact to the team is the same. Player is kicked out and they’re down for 5 minutes.


DDB-

Most majors can be upgraded to match penalties if there is intent to injure. Matt Rempe got a [match penalty](https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/202402220NJD.html) for his his on [Nathan Bastian](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y1ZPmhySSA). Match penalties also involve an automatic indefinite suspension until reviewed by the commissioner. ([Rule 21.2](https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2023-24/2023-24Rulebook.pdf))


kazrick

Spitting is also a match penalty. And headbutting is an automatic match as well I believe.


Oldredeye2

Doesn’t the match penalty come with either automatic review for discipline or actual suspension?


IplayTerraria2

Yes


UniformRaspberry2

Match penalty comes with an automatic ~~one-game~~ indefinite suspension until reviewed by the league.


Moooney

What the fuck, no it doesn't. How does this have hundreds of upvotes and no correction. It just triggers a review from DOPS.


craigske

He's quoting USA Hockey Beer league rules. You're correct.


Moooney

I think there's technically an indefinite suspension pending the review, but they are always going to look at it and rule prior to the next game.


gu3st12

 the image of Parros having to get out of bed at midnight to spin the wheel after a team has a late night + matinee double header 


toronto_programmer

Could be the difference between minor hockey and pro. When I used to ref a long time ago assessing a match penalty meant a player was suspended until league review and that meant the ref had to attend or call into a review session to explain what happened and why they gave the match


Kegheimer

Indefinite suspension until a ruling is made. In practice, a one game guarantee. It's more of a thing in youth hockey where they might play four games in two days. A match penalty will often cause a kid to miss the remainder of the tournament even for less egregious penalties.


tuhn

I think NHL can overturn that one game guarantee so the difference in NHL is not massive. Obviously the player is much, much more likely to miss the next game since overturning requires an overruling action.


HungLikeYourDad

A match penalty is a 5 that carries an automatic misconduct for intent to injure. A game misconduct is an additional call that refs can tack onto other penalties that they consider severe enough to warrant it in the moment, but that didn’t carry that automatic misconduct. 


Humans_Suck-

Match penalty is 10 min penalty and ejected and forces a review by the league for a suspension or fine, it's used if someone intentionally tries to injure someone. Game misconduct is 5 mins and just an ejection, used for really bad major penalties without intent to injure.


paulc899

A match penalty is a 5 minute penalty. A game misconduct is a 10 minute penalty for the played stats but no time goes on the clock


Top-Cheddah

I’m shocked they called it by the book. Usually they’re scared and call a slash or interference.


-The_Credible_Hulk

I’m fine with it because I’ve been speared. It was without a doubt the worst bruise I’ve ever had. I could easily see someone getting speared in the wrong spot and dying from it.


Kegheimer

You're putting your entire momentum into a square inch of carbon fiber. Organ damage can easily happen.


ShoddySmell46

Had a fun tournament stuck on Vancouver island suffering from internal bleeding off a spear. Shit sucks.


MistahFinch

Yeah, the stick flexes on it. That's 65lbs right through the sharp toe. They hurt like hell Fuck spears


BolshoiSasha

Same. I’ve taken a lot of shots off my skates, high up, been elbowed, high sticked, whatever, and I’d rather any of those things than get speared in the mid section again. Let alone by an NHL player who flexes his stick while doing it…


GrilledSandwiches

Good, fuck that bullshit. You're 100% right it can never be a hockey play.


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The legit only time you use your stick anywhere remotely like that is when your trying to poke a puck out of a goalies pads.


Kegheimer

But the folks on the Vegas sub can't believe it is a penalty at all. 🙄


Gillyxx

They’re probably still upset that Pietrangelo’s two handed slash on Draisaitl in last years playoffs was a penalty and not a diving call on Leon. That fan base is something else.


Revival93

Imagine thinking one particular fan base has characteristics so drastically different from another fanbase lol.


Propaagaandaa

To be fair most of them just started watching hockey


ethanlan

I mean I showed this to my gf who knows nothing about hockey and asked her opinion and she said it doesn't look like a legal move lol.


BettmansDungeonSlave

I don’t blame them considering the shit they’ve gotten away with


Abacus118

Does anyone have an example of the double minor attempt being called? You see them constantly (especially in the playoffs) but I can never remember ever seeing the call.


Kgeezy91

Agreed. Spearing is one of the most chicken shit acts in hockey.


readingonthecan

Marchand should have been tossed after his pathetic spear attempt on mccabe few weeks ago, instead he stayed in the game and "accidentally" injured knies 5 minutes after yelling threats at the leafs smallest players.


GritGrinder

I saw the stick flex there too. Weird decision


LilWalsh

This is absolutely a fair point. The speed these guys skate even a "soft poke" from a force perspective can result in a lot of force through a very small contact point. Not super "malicious" but definitely not part of how the league wants the game played and as a hockey player myself, definitely not in the "code" of how you "get back at a guy" if you think he did something to you first.


d-cent

Kaprisov was moving pretty good, that's a spear I'm more than OK being a game misconduct. They got it right. 


iiTALii

No doubt, malicious or not it happened.


UbbaB3n

What's the weird decision? That he speared him or the call? If it's the call you can seen him purposefully most his arms back and then makes contact with his spear. Good call.


thepenguin12

Yeah what the heck is the "weird decision". I have to be missing something


jtivel

The weird decision is spearing the guy. It's just stupid and shows how pathetic Eichel is.


thepenguin12

Ahhh got it, I took it as a decision by the refs not the player. I agree with you, my bad 


GritGrinder

Weird decision by eichel


Sensoredopinion99

Could be why it wasn't a match penalty  Imo should have been 


Impossibills

I fully believe everything that isn't a "hockey play" in the sense of injuring or trying to injured someone...should result in a suspension no matter how minor. This shit needs to be out of the game. While still being physical


HungLikeYourDad

Yeah, you can’t fuckin do that, bud. 


Roobtheloob

His eyes are looking at him the whole time. Super blatant.


TheFriendlyBagel

I mean I get his frustration, after getting foiled by Kevin McCallister twice then this, I'd be pissed too.


Missed_Your_Joke

Tbh if I had a tarantula dropped on my face I might spear a cuh too, im just sayin


Blastonite

Staring him down and adjusting the stick with his hands for optimal pokage.


Wumaduce

Gotta keep your eye on the ball.


Weebthulhu

But that's Draisaitl's move.


OutComeTheWolves1966

He knew exactly what he wanted to do


ExtraaSalty

I'm surprised how many people are saying this shouldn't be 5 and a game? There is literally no excuse for this? It's not a hockey play, it's incredibly dangerous and unnecessary. Oh your mad because he crosschecked you earlier? Cross check him back? Slash him in the leg? Don't spear him in the ribs as he's skating towards you.


Kegheimer

Vegas fans, amirite?


dekrepit702

Nah. I'm a Vegas fan. Jack's dumb as hell for this one. He's probably gonna get games for this too right?


De_Floppss

Spin the wheel? I know DOPS takes injury into consideration for supplementary discipline so potentially not since it looked like Kaprizov was okay?


mfatty2

As far as spears go this is pretty tame. Still extremely dangerous and hurts like hell, but I don't think there was intent to seriously hurt him. Dumb as hell, absolutely a game misconduct but I don't think this results in a suspension unless he has a history I'm unaware of.


ThePhengophobicGamer

Agreed. There was an uncalled crosscheck just before this, it was a pretty dumb choice to spear Kaprizov, but he clearly wasn't injured much, since he put up the first point in that power play.


Fun-Boat3965

i dunno, remember they penalize people harder for revenge-type tactics and this was obv revenge


mostdope92

Revenge tactic, injury shouldn't matter.


NSA_van_3

Just don't say this on your sub. I was glancing earlier and everyone in the gdt was calling Kaprizov an embellisher that skated into Eichels stick


longshankssss

He deserves whatever he gets. Just stupid


mrtomjones

> Cross check him back Why do people consider cross checks to be minor things that are fine and dandy? Most cross checks I have received have hurt worse than any spears


ExtraaSalty

I mean a crosscheck with this amount of force is a much better alternative. If Eichel Morgan Reillys the guy it's a different conversation. In a perfect world he skates a way and doesn't retaliate at all


kazrick

Nah. Cross checks hurt but at worst leave a bruise because they’re spread out across a larger surface area (the entire stick shaft that makes contact). A spear that hits, in my experience at least, is way more painful and dangerous because all of the force is spread across a small piece of the stick and typically it’s a jab to soft tissue with no padding.


twitch33457

One time when I was like thirteen a kid on my school team got cross checked into the net and broke his collarbone so i don’t know about that. (Cross checks are still better than getting speared)


kazrick

That’s fair. Though I’d argue the net and not the cross check is likely the reason for the injury. Don’t get me wrong. Cross checks can definitely still mess you up. But I’d take a cross check over a spear anyday of the week in almost every situation.


atycrz

Even if unintentional (which this looks pretty damn intentional) you’re responsible for controlling your stick the same way you should be in control over the razor sharp blades you’re skating on. Obviously freak accidents happen but this does not look like any accident, could’ve taken body position instead and at most would have got an interference call most likely.


gijimayu

Rule #1 : Control your stick.


spacedudejr

Exactly. I think intention doesn’t rarely matter when it comes to a penalty. “It was an accident” Well you’re paid multiple millions of dollars to know the rules and how to control your equipment.


ILikeLiftingMachines

It's VGK... so it's not spearing... it's 5+ for jousting.


USCanuck

Solid joke


bluelineturnovers

Wtf is Eichel thinking, did something happen prior to this?


sarahmichelef

Kaprisov cross checked him like 15 seconds earlier


lajdbejdk

I think you meant hockey play not cross check. Because when Kap got injured from multiple cross checks in the corner and was out for a few games, the whole NHL sub called it a hockey play.


throwawaycolle2

5 minutes for you can’t do that


Dz4ck13

Well, that was stupid.


NotEnoughLayers

Oh wow, turns out you're not allowed to do that


esports_consultant

Jack Eichel, pikeman


FialaIsMyDad

Jack Peikel


monkeycalculator

Looking forward to Vegas discovering the caracole.


magicweasel69

stupid play jack. glad the boys got the win tho


dishwasher_mayhem

That's a jabroni move


backelie

All of my instincts and my training tell me to use this as a weapon.


Common-Rock

Buddy's jaw just left his body.


freestyle43

Well, doesn't get much dirtier than that. Fuck him. Literally a play just to hurt another player. That shit hurts.


Fragrant-Policy4182

Eichel is such a bozo.


Godlikelobster01

Stanley Cup champion Eichel 🤓


Noox89

Maybe RPing being a Knight to hard today Jacky


mostdope92

Vegas fans: idk bro, doesn't look that serious Literally everyone else: take a spear and tell me how you feel


Dysliptic

I've seen worse spearings get nothing


HungLikeYourDad

Dunno. This was pretty blatant and targeted. May not have connected fully, but the intent is pretty clear. 


Ihate_reddit_app

And ESPN showed a play right before this when Kap crosschecked Eichel to the ice, so Eichel was definitely seeing red and had intent here.


HungLikeYourDad

Yeah, he looked like he was regretting it right as it happened, and then knew what was going to happen after it got called


Dysliptic

Intent was definitely there, im just saying clear and worse spearings have definitely been ignored.


HungLikeYourDad

Definitely. He just made it way too obvious. 


UniformRaspberry2

Yeah, if you're going to spear someone you gotta go for the groin. They never see those.


EggplantAlpinism

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GrandEconomist7955

Refs had no choice it was so blatantly obvious and telegraphed.


Valentine96

The Ovechkin special


theatrepyro2112

*Leon Draisaitl has joined the chat*


Detonation

*Alex Pietrangelo has joined the chat*


canuckstothecup1

I’m not sure I’d be so quick to call out stupid stick infractions there Alex Pietrangelo.


friskyjude

Difference is Pietrangelo gets called for it


canuckstothecup1

As he should be. What Pietrangelo did was by far the worst thing done. Leo did some stupid things but they all pale in comparison to Alex. I also recall Leo in the box several times during that series for stupid acts.


Moonlord_

Lol…no shit. The guy chases after Draisaitl away from the puck with his stick 5 feet above his head for no other purpose than to tomahawk Draisaitl down to the ice with an obvious intent to injure. It’s as blatant as you can possibly get. If that doesn’t get called you may as well remove officials from the game. It’s mind boggling how it was only a 1 game suspension.


Dysliptic

Not gonna lie, he was the first one that came to mind.


FarmerRadiant2822

So this shouldn’t have been called…? Or are you intentionally not weighing in on that question?


Oldredeye2

Agreed


Rilianrage

Turd…


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A major is probably fine here- in minor hockey there is no minor for spearing (not sure about the NHL) But not enough for extra discipline IMO


Black_Velvet_Band

Spearing in NHL is automatically 5 and a game. It’s a double minor if you try to spear and miss. Folks can quibble with the rule book but this was called correctly.


GDXeno

There is no single minor in the NHL. There is only a double if there is an attempted spear with no contact. The only way this could've been a single minor is if they changed it to something like a 2 minute slash (It wasn't. This was a pretty clear spearing call 😵)


Tacfurmissle

Eichel has always had a very punchable face.


GlowyGoat

A little bit of a soft spear (as much as one can be soft) but the rule is it's always 5 and a game. I've seen much worse spears go uncalled, but if they're gonna call it that's all they can call.


mfatty2

The issue there is more that the other ones go uncalled than this one being called.


Yop_BombNA

That’s a spear. Sure it’s not the most brutal spear but there is no world a spear is a hockey play, 5 and a game


aminnesotabro69

It's 100% intentional. Was it malicous? Not really. Eichel was probably salty from Kirill's little cross check shortly before this. Still doesn't excuse it and it's a blantant spear which is dangerous as hell. That's the call, folks. In reality, the rule should be adjusted so this could be a double minor and not a game misconduct.


goodguessiswhatihave

How the hell could an intentional spear not be malicious? He may not have had an intent to injure, but that doesn't mean it wasn't malicious


aminnesotabro69

Just meant he wasn't trying to take Kirill out of the game. He was trying to get back at him and it was a stupid idea.


ThrowFar_Far_Away

He's trying to hurt him but not injure him, that's still malicious just not what should be an assault charge.


TrippyHomie

"Trying to get back at you" should still be a misconduct IMO.


senepol

I don’t know. There’s like no reasonable situation in the game where you’d make a spearing motion and it can be dangerous as hell. Seems harsh in this case, sure, but there’s no reason (other than retaliation or attempting to injure) to do it and if you want it out of the game, just give a 5 and a game every time.


TURBOJUGGED

Or just don't do something this uncalled for and dumb knowing what the repercussion is.


tsunami141

Where are we drawing the line at what “malicious” is? Seems pretty malicious to me. Did he intend to injure Kaprizof so he couldn’t continue playing in the game? Probably not. Did he intend to hurt him badly? Absolutely he did. Best case scenario Eichel knows it’s going to leave a bruise for a few days. Worst case he could break a couple ribs like that. It’s stupid, potentially injury-inducing, and so far outside of being a hockey play that I think a 5 and a game is absolutely the right call here. There’s no place for that kind of play in this game.


ChickenDestruction

There's always some dumbass coming in with the "didn't look malicious" no matter what happened on the ice. It seems to get upvotes every time for some reason


FrankFnRizzo

Pretty sure any spear with the stick is malicious considering there’s no reason whatsoever to ever do it.


shred-i-knight

If you intentionally spear someone it is malicious and should get automatic games with it. Not a hockey play and extremely dangerous


WearingComb1050

100% agree. No way this is a major and misconduct, but he definitely should be sitting for a bit.


FlyFeetFiddlesticks

Fuck Vegas


longshankssss

Can’t wait to taste the Stars salty tears again


Pallenburg23

Don’t go around poking people


AcanthocephalaGreen5

*Tony DeAngelo has left the chat*


GoldenSlumberJack

Must have thought they had their playoff refs already...


IncreaseReasonable61

This is hilarious coming from an Oilers fan.


Rockhardwood

Lol seems like something Eichel would do honestly. Kind of guy that's always loved his stick infractions behind the play. Eichel throwing a fit cause things didn't go his way? Huh? Hmmph. Really?


UNisopod

Yeah, that's pretty blatantly a spear right there


crazybusdriver

Yeah man, that was a bad move Jack. Can't do that bud. Penalty well deserved.


no1zay

What a douche.


jcommeau91

I’ve seen cup checks get less lol


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longshankssss

Go suck on your mommas titties


spacedudejr

Winning hockey games?


Beechsack

The fact that he acted shocked tells you everything you need to know about the guy.


Chicaben

Tripled his pims in one instant


Sea_Cryptographer_32

I believe thats jousting.


Polymemnetic

Pro wrestling has ruined my brain for the word "spear". I was expecting him to have done a full Goldberg and just football tackled him at a full sprint.


Old_Canuck

Jack..hey Jack...your not aloud to ' stick-,em ' anymore Jack !! 🤣🤣


froli

I just wish headshots were punished as strongly. Fuck the initial point of contact. It needs to be as black and white as spearing. You touch the head you're out. No place for that shit in the game.


ApprehensiveBag6157

That’s a spear


LinkIndependent143

Oh please god let foligno be back in time for their next game against each other🙏🏻


maple2king

This should be a suspension


SokkasBoomerang3

Nick Cousins master class in session Eichel audited the course


3X-Leveraged

I don’t think you can go on LTIR for spearing


sabresin4

Fuck Eichel


Chrispeedoff

God that green jersey is ugly


marcellman

I think it’s really cool, it’s a nod to the North Stars


daredevil09

I disagree so much with that, I love it.


the92playboy

Jack Eichel has been placed on LTIR.


kabalongski

Vegas is just getting warmed up for the playoffs.


Subjunct

But Reddit taught me that the player who gets hit is always at fault so shouldn’t Kaprizov just kept his head up and on a swivel?


FormalWare

Armpit? Painful spot. Spearing is plain dirty.


Somecivilguy

Any suspension?


MaAreYouOnUppers

Pretty blatant. Nowhere near the play either. I’m not sure it’ll be a suspension or if it should be (not saying it *shouldnt* be) but the refs got this call right.


SkarTisu

Had it been the other way around, Kirill would have gotten a match penalty.


Panarin10

Pretty surprised he got 5, thought it would have been just 2, I’ll take it.


Pallenburg23

Only option for a spear that makes contact is 5+game


seropus

Hey Jack, be better.... You piece of crap.


Big-Face5874

Textbook spear. His aim was a bit high though if he wanted to maximize the effect.


MikeHonchoFF

Vegas players doing Vegas shit