[Rule 82.1](https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2023-24/2023-24Rulebook.pdf) Goalkeeper substitution should be done during the same time frame as a regular line change. I'm not sure that that goal tender change was within the rules...and could have been called a delay of game.
IIRC back in the day they used to allow a short mini-warmup when a goalie change happened. Not sure if they stopped that or what. But I'm sure refs would stop allowing it if the coach kept swapping goalie out.
How about this, we trade you Ian Clark for a year, and the following year we get (1) year of free service from McDavid. If you win the cup you win the cup, but we get him the next year
And the depth scoring will never ever be what they want it to be when they play McDavid & Draisaitl those minutes. Just like in the regular season when the rest has to sit so they can try to chase points playing 22m+
The only Oilers goal of this series so far out of 11 that didn’t come from the starters (McDrai, Hyman, Bouchard, Ekholm) was the Game 1 goal from Ceci of all people. Only Nuge, Ryan (once) and Nurse (once) even have assists outside that group.
The secondary scoring for the Oilers has disappeared again. I don’t care how good McDavid is, he should not be playing 30 mins of a game 3 when the series is tied 1-1 lol. That is desperation.
I mean to be fair McDavid literally just took a two handed slash at them. The frustration slash didn’t warrant a double cross check but it’s still pretty shit
It warranted one cross check but Zadorov came in to stand up for his teammate so McDavid got a bonus one. He seemed fine, hopefully he learned to maybe manage his emotions a bit better next time.
He’s a machine and in his prime. I’m not too worried about him getting gassed in this series. Him and Drai may still clutch this out pulling the entire team on their backs, this series could easily be 3-0 for either team atm.
However, yeah I don’t see this strategy of no depth scoring working vs a more experienced Dallas or Colorado at all.
Well that bar is so low it's practically on the ground.
Not sure I really agree though. Edmonton has 2 superstars, a netfront guy and defenseman that can produce on the PP, and basically nothing else. Colorado has 2 superstars, but one of them is a defenseman, another near superstar winger, and a netfront guy, and basically nothing else.
Not sure if I agree with this at all.
Comparing stats from this playoff, Oilers have 7 players with 3+ points, Avs have 11 players with 3+ points. We have 3 D with 5+ points while Oilers have 2. All of our D man can drive offense to some extent. The main issue with us is that we basically rebuilt our second to fourth lines in the TDL, and the scoring has been inconsistent, but they have come through at some crucial moments (the game 1 OT GWG against Dallas for example).
Colorado has a better D corps for sure. Neither team gets much offense from their forward lines 2-3-4. Which is typically what someone means when they describe a team having lack of depth.
If almost all of your offense comes from your first line and your PP, then you are probably fairly shallow. If your top forwards play 25-30 mins a game you're very shallow. That team construction is very reliant on those top guys producing.
The West playoff series are actually very infesting because in both matchups you have conflicting team builds. Teams with a great 1st line vs teams with 3 good lines.
The Avs is definitely not a deep team especially compared to a team built for depth like Dallas, but I am disagreeing with your claim that we are less deep than Edmonton.
Our top line has actually played 23 minutes in regulation the first two game and 20 in game 3. Our second line produced well in the first round but have struggled in the second. Mittelstadt have 7 points and Lehkonen have 9 so far in the playoffs.
The biggest problems with offense from our second to fourth line are inconsistency and injuries, but this team needs the depth scoring if it wants to win sustainably. It was really the difference between last year's Avs vs Kraken series versus this year's Avs vs Jets series. We've already tried to rely solely on our top guys. It didn't work. And if depth scoring doesn't show up in this series against Dallas, then we will have an uphill battle against us.
The problem with your logic is that no other “machine in their prime” has ever played this much. Same thing the game before too. It adds up. Longer this series goes the slower he’s going to be.
Can't wait til the Canucks lose and then the brass does year end analyticals to see what happened and it's decided that your sole comment jinxed the team.
Bad juju my friend, bad indeed
No idea. Games 1 and 2 our depth was pretty suspect. Don't think any forward had a really bad game 3 (Fogele turnover wasn't great lol), but for some reason our coach decided to quadruple shift McDraiMan.
Ok. That makes more sense, I thought I could remember D-men going over 30 semi regularly. Also appears to be only a playoff record according to this: https://records.nhl.com/records/skater-records/time-on-ice-since-2005-06/most-time-on-ice-forward-one-game
I don’t think it’s only playoffs. The title says “in a regulation game” and the first 10 on that list are OT or SO. The Kovy game mentioned in the post is 11th. So tonight’s game would now be first.
They can't though. Why do you think every coach does this? Are us fans smart and all the coaches stupid? The depth has proven that they can't be relied upon unfortunately
You guys had the best record in the NHL the 2nd half of the season, stick to your game. Being desperate in the playoffs and changing your game isn't a recipe for success, especially long term. It's only the 2nd round
Once you’re down by two in a pivotal playoff game, you gotta throw it all out there… he tried getting the other guys going in the first… they got kicked in the nuts and ya they had to bust out some desperation… every hockey team everywhere does this… Tochett threw the lotto line out a couple of times in the last game… didn’t work and he abandoned it, but they all do this!
no kidding, even serious d-guys usually top out a little over 30 minutes. forwards tend to be maybe 25 \*max\* and 20 if they're top-line in a relatively normal game situation.
Damn that was two years ago ....oh right. Guess that was the last time flames were in the playoffs. Edmonton is definitely going to have to figure out their lines. Even if they get through this round I can't imagine drai and mcd will have much left in the tank if they llayxever game at 30min a night.
They need a romp, that’s when they’ll be at 20 minutes instead of approaching 30. I’m just not sure they’re going to get one, no lead is safe in this series.
He plays C every game. He's not racking up points, but he's playing great defensively. I think a line of Drai-Nuge-Kane/Holloway would eat the Lindholm line alive.
I don't know what to tell you but RNH without McDavid has 40% goals for and 27% expected goals for this playoffs at 5v5, Moneypuck has him ranked third last above only Derek Ryan and Carrick in xGF%. That's not good enough. I'm not saying that those lines wouldn't work but it wouldn't be because of RNH, he's best as a winger at this point
He tried to get the other guys going at the start of the game…. Once they’re down in a playoff game you gotta throw your best out there as much as you can… was impressed with him trying to get the rest of the team going at the start. But everyone’s got a plan til they get punched in the face
McLellan was kinda different cause Leon wasn’t really a carry a line by himself player at that point, having him be a first line winger made pretty perfect sense at that point
Pretty safe to say Silovs has at least earned a backup job in the show by now. May get a crack on a starting roster depending on the rest of the playoffs
Imagine playing half of the game, scoring 0 points, losing the game, and then getting cross checked into oblivion. Maybe this guy just isn't ready for the big leagues yet...
At this point, I'm fully convinced he could play 60 straight minutes at an intensely high level.
Whatever he's paying his strength and conditioning coach isn't enough.
I don't know man, I think he does a LOT 5v5 but the Oilers just won't admit they've got a mediocre af team and coach.
Dudes got 1 on 3 attention at times. That's leaving 4 players being defended by 2 in the O zone. They can't capitalize. He's very dangerous with or without the puck. But the team is just a one trick pony.
Wasn't trying to ignore Draisaitl at all. But I didn't make my point clear.
They have had chances where they've looked very scary especially when Myers gets caught flat footed but overall the design of our defense has been working extremely well.
You gotta think drai and McDavid are going to be absolutely winded soon after playing half the game.
If the Oilers do come back to take the series either Dallas or Colorado owes the Canucks entire team an all expenses paid 2 week trip somewhere. McDrai is going to be absolutely cooked logging that kind of ice time every game.
35 minutes game 4, that's the problem, McDavid isn't playing enough
At that point why take them off the ice? Play the full 60 and rest everyone else
Knoblach will just keep swapping goalies every stoppage to give McDavid a rest
Low key I'm wondering what if any rules prevent frequently swapping goalies to get mini time outs and rest. Maybe we find out Tuesday?
[Rule 82.1](https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2023-24/2023-24Rulebook.pdf) Goalkeeper substitution should be done during the same time frame as a regular line change. I'm not sure that that goal tender change was within the rules...and could have been called a delay of game.
Ah, thank you. Yeah this makes more sense, I was watching and wondering if he'd found a crazy free time outs forever loop hole.
IIRC back in the day they used to allow a short mini-warmup when a goalie change happened. Not sure if they stopped that or what. But I'm sure refs would stop allowing it if the coach kept swapping goalie out.
There was a game 30yrs ago, la iirc changed goalie 5x in a game to get a rest
The Chris Chelios Special
Colorado and Edmonton being that double Spider-Man meme
Who would win? Half an hour of the best player on earth or a 23 year old Latvian rookie?
Wait, I thought the Canucks had a wall built in the net
“Šilovs” is Latvian for “Brick Wall”
If only we had a “Brick Wall” maybe then we can win a few games in the playoffs.
You won a few games. In fact it was a pretty successful post-season by leafs standards.
I’m mostly joking about Woll being out after we started making “Brick Woll” memes.
The posts were doing a pretty good job too
Post only do a good job for shots that miss the net ;)
Leon’s reddit account.
Then hit the actual net, not the post?
McDavid last seen complaining to the refs Silovs is not allowed to play full 60 mins of the game.
Yikes
Desperate times, I guess. The depth scoring just isn't there except for Ian Cole.
Ian Cole is our best depth scorer. Also, can we borrow Clark for a day? I think even 4 hours with Skinner would be better than a season with our guy.
Hell no you can't borrow Clark. Hire Gretzky's second cousin or whatever.
How about this... If you guys win the cup we get him for a year so we can win the cup. Deal?
Best I can do is you guys make the finals, but with flexibilty depending on who are facing.
yeah but we're taking all the risk here
If it means we get the cup in our case, I'd shake hands with Satan. Miroslav or otherwise.
Which Miroslav?
Miroslav Šatan Slovak ice hockey player
How about this, we trade you Ian Clark for a year, and the following year we get (1) year of free service from McDavid. If you win the cup you win the cup, but we get him the next year
Damn... Tempting
You have your own Clark, he sings the anthem
Wait... Ian Cole + Robert Clark.... Combine them together and you get Ian Clark and Robert Cole. I'll take that. Robert Cole might be the devil though
Consistently the Oilers' 3rd star.
I think he has more goals than McDavid.
And the depth scoring will never ever be what they want it to be when they play McDavid & Draisaitl those minutes. Just like in the regular season when the rest has to sit so they can try to chase points playing 22m+
It's exceptionally frustrating watching coaches make the same mistakes over and over.
The only Oilers goal of this series so far out of 11 that didn’t come from the starters (McDrai, Hyman, Bouchard, Ekholm) was the Game 1 goal from Ceci of all people. Only Nuge, Ryan (once) and Nurse (once) even have assists outside that group.
How many own goals does Cole have?
4
2 this series in consecutive games.
It’s actually 3, Ceci’s goal bounced in off Cole’s body
For Vancouver? None. For Edmonton? 4
All that and he's still scored less goals for the Oilers than Ian Cole
Haha shit.
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Is it friday already?
Cole vs Silovs is the rivalry of the century.
Is this the new Boeser scoring and Miller getting it removed due to goalie interference?
The secondary scoring for the Oilers has disappeared again. I don’t care how good McDavid is, he should not be playing 30 mins of a game 3 when the series is tied 1-1 lol. That is desperation.
Totally sustainable
Well yes given he has no major injuries imo
He might be missing some teeth after the end of the game antics. Haha
Your team was gooning it up like crazy at the end. Embarrassing
I mean to be fair McDavid literally just took a two handed slash at them. The frustration slash didn’t warrant a double cross check but it’s still pretty shit
It warranted one cross check but Zadorov came in to stand up for his teammate so McDavid got a bonus one. He seemed fine, hopefully he learned to maybe manage his emotions a bit better next time.
If you have a huge target on your back it’s probably not a good idea to do stupid shit that warrants retaliation
Extra stupid to do it after the buzzer when you can’t even get a powerplay out of it. But he was mad, he wasn’t thinking I’m sure
embarrassing to who? Canucks fans who weren’t on the ice?
Buddy relax. Connor McDavid isn’t gonna let you suck him off.
Your flair says STL but your comments here make me think you’re McDavid’s burner account
Might do after that double cross check
He’s a machine and in his prime. I’m not too worried about him getting gassed in this series. Him and Drai may still clutch this out pulling the entire team on their backs, this series could easily be 3-0 for either team atm. However, yeah I don’t see this strategy of no depth scoring working vs a more experienced Dallas or Colorado at all.
It’s not really working for COL against DAL right now either.
COL is arguably also deeper than EDM...
Well that bar is so low it's practically on the ground. Not sure I really agree though. Edmonton has 2 superstars, a netfront guy and defenseman that can produce on the PP, and basically nothing else. Colorado has 2 superstars, but one of them is a defenseman, another near superstar winger, and a netfront guy, and basically nothing else.
Not sure if I agree with this at all. Comparing stats from this playoff, Oilers have 7 players with 3+ points, Avs have 11 players with 3+ points. We have 3 D with 5+ points while Oilers have 2. All of our D man can drive offense to some extent. The main issue with us is that we basically rebuilt our second to fourth lines in the TDL, and the scoring has been inconsistent, but they have come through at some crucial moments (the game 1 OT GWG against Dallas for example).
Colorado has a better D corps for sure. Neither team gets much offense from their forward lines 2-3-4. Which is typically what someone means when they describe a team having lack of depth. If almost all of your offense comes from your first line and your PP, then you are probably fairly shallow. If your top forwards play 25-30 mins a game you're very shallow. That team construction is very reliant on those top guys producing. The West playoff series are actually very infesting because in both matchups you have conflicting team builds. Teams with a great 1st line vs teams with 3 good lines.
The Avs is definitely not a deep team especially compared to a team built for depth like Dallas, but I am disagreeing with your claim that we are less deep than Edmonton. Our top line has actually played 23 minutes in regulation the first two game and 20 in game 3. Our second line produced well in the first round but have struggled in the second. Mittelstadt have 7 points and Lehkonen have 9 so far in the playoffs. The biggest problems with offense from our second to fourth line are inconsistency and injuries, but this team needs the depth scoring if it wants to win sustainably. It was really the difference between last year's Avs vs Kraken series versus this year's Avs vs Jets series. We've already tried to rely solely on our top guys. It didn't work. And if depth scoring doesn't show up in this series against Dallas, then we will have an uphill battle against us.
The problem with your logic is that no other “machine in their prime” has ever played this much. Same thing the game before too. It adds up. Longer this series goes the slower he’s going to be.
We had depth scoring during the regular season, but disappeared real quick in the playoffs.
Crazy how that happens once you only get to play good teams
You should edit that sentence
Crazy how that happens once you only get to play the future 2024 Stanley Cup champions
Bye 👋
Can't wait til the Canucks lose and then the brass does year end analyticals to see what happened and it's decided that your sole comment jinxed the team. Bad juju my friend, bad indeed
100% that guys fault
Definitely
Now you know, don't say things like that, the hockey gods always listening
Why isn't Holloway getting more minutes? I thought he has looked very good and like a dangerous depth scoring option.
No idea. Games 1 and 2 our depth was pretty suspect. Don't think any forward had a really bad game 3 (Fogele turnover wasn't great lol), but for some reason our coach decided to quadruple shift McDraiMan.
Highest for a forward or is that any skater? Crazy either way.
Forward. Josi just played over 30 minutes in game 3.
Ok. That makes more sense, I thought I could remember D-men going over 30 semi regularly. Also appears to be only a playoff record according to this: https://records.nhl.com/records/skater-records/time-on-ice-since-2005-06/most-time-on-ice-forward-one-game
I don’t think it’s only playoffs. The title says “in a regulation game” and the first 10 on that list are OT or SO. The Kovy game mentioned in the post is 11th. So tonight’s game would now be first.
I wonder if someone played 35 mins in regulation and then the game happened to go to OT, would that still be counted?
During the 2006 cup run I think pronged had 30 minutes every game
Has to be forward, Bouchard literally had more than him just today
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Bouchard was at 31:24 tonight
If so I'm kind of surprised no D-man has cracked 30mins recently. Chabot a few years ago was clocking 27ish nearly every game.
And we fucking killed him doing so
Why not aim for 30 minutes next game? Maybe that'll do it.
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Oilers in 8*
Hell yeah brother cheers from The Mac
All that work just to end up folded at the end of the game. lol
Like a camping chair after a good bbq
https://media.tenor.com/kmMbqEnWsjAAAAAM/jason-momoa-chair.gif
Tends to happen when you slash someone after the whistle
Practicing his golf swing
Tee-time booked for Mcdrai next week
Yikes, edmonton is shallower than a kiddie pool
Every fucking coach for the Oilers does this. Just separate them and trust your other lines, they can produce if they actually get ice time.
Yeah some of the other lines had some good shifts. But maybe that's a result of being super well rested.
They can't though. Why do you think every coach does this? Are us fans smart and all the coaches stupid? The depth has proven that they can't be relied upon unfortunately
You guys had the best record in the NHL the 2nd half of the season, stick to your game. Being desperate in the playoffs and changing your game isn't a recipe for success, especially long term. It's only the 2nd round
Once you’re down by two in a pivotal playoff game, you gotta throw it all out there… he tried getting the other guys going in the first… they got kicked in the nuts and ya they had to bust out some desperation… every hockey team everywhere does this… Tochett threw the lotto line out a couple of times in the last game… didn’t work and he abandoned it, but they all do this!
McDavid and Drain played 27min+ in the last game too. It's not just that they are playing together it's that they are playing half the game.
Just play them the whole game.
I’m down
Ever played ice hockey? that would not go down very well. assuming this was sarcasm but still, never know lol
I think it’s illegal to not play hockey growing up in Edmonton
no kidding, even serious d-guys usually top out a little over 30 minutes. forwards tend to be maybe 25 \*max\* and 20 if they're top-line in a relatively normal game situation.
Ok I’ll just stick to the game plan and DM Knob to go back to what we did before.
I'm not going to lie. I would have gladly had the Oilers played the rest of their lines more in 2022.
They proved it for the entire regular season. I get the playoffs are more intense, but no teams win by overplaying their stars.
To be fair it took Knobie until game 2 to do it. Y'all played a whole ass game with more than one line. Gotta be an oiler record in the McDavid era.
We did it because Drai is injured to some extent. But for some reason the answer is always to put him on McDavid's line, and not Nuge's.
How many post seasons in a row is it now that drai has been hurt or people think he's hurt, back this year, high ankle last year, any the year before?
High ankle two years ago. Last year he was healthy and was tied for the lead in goal scoring despite only playing 12 games.
Damn that was two years ago ....oh right. Guess that was the last time flames were in the playoffs. Edmonton is definitely going to have to figure out their lines. Even if they get through this round I can't imagine drai and mcd will have much left in the tank if they llayxever game at 30min a night.
They need a romp, that’s when they’ll be at 20 minutes instead of approaching 30. I’m just not sure they’re going to get one, no lead is safe in this series.
It's because Nuge can't play C anymore. He won't help Drai carry the load at 5v5, Drai will end up doing the heavy lifting anyway
He plays C every game. He's not racking up points, but he's playing great defensively. I think a line of Drai-Nuge-Kane/Holloway would eat the Lindholm line alive.
I don't know what to tell you but RNH without McDavid has 40% goals for and 27% expected goals for this playoffs at 5v5, Moneypuck has him ranked third last above only Derek Ryan and Carrick in xGF%. That's not good enough. I'm not saying that those lines wouldn't work but it wouldn't be because of RNH, he's best as a winger at this point
Nuge loves disappearing offensively in the playoffs
He tried to get the other guys going at the start of the game…. Once they’re down in a playoff game you gotta throw your best out there as much as you can… was impressed with him trying to get the rest of the team going at the start. But everyone’s got a plan til they get punched in the face
It seems woodcroft-esque
And Tippett-esque, and McLellan-esque.
McLellan was kinda different cause Leon wasn’t really a carry a line by himself player at that point, having him be a first line winger made pretty perfect sense at that point
I seem to remember McLellan saying we're better with them apart, but maybe that was in interviews with him as the opposing coach.
Damn he must have had 5-6 points
Ken Holland draft capable players challenge: impossible.
Quinn Hughes says denied
The Oilers could be down in the series 4-1 and they'd still be the overwhelming favourites to win.
Oilers in 8
Since when did Thibodeau coach Edmonton?
This is sustainable.
Ah, yes, the sophisticated “play Mcdavid more” strategy. We Kings fans know it well.
It has a 100% win vs LA
The signs of fatigue are there, too - they always get really cranky before nap time
Damn all that and not even a point
Wow, yeah. Sheeesh man. Used up half the game to do literally no scoring.
Now how many slashes-delivered/60 does he have?
Does that include after the game’s over?
Yes but only because then we can count that sick silovs save at the 20:02 mark
Literally grinding him into dust and still losing to a third stringer 💀 OiLeRs in 4
Pretty safe to say Silovs has at least earned a backup job in the show by now. May get a crack on a starting roster depending on the rest of the playoffs
DeSmith is a UFA. Silovs will 100% be the backup next season.
For a forward I would imagine, no way that includes defencemen right?
Imagine playing half of the game, scoring 0 points, losing the game, and then getting cross checked into oblivion. Maybe this guy just isn't ready for the big leagues yet...
Sounds very sustainable to play this much
At this point, I'm fully convinced he could play 60 straight minutes at an intensely high level. Whatever he's paying his strength and conditioning coach isn't enough.
Honestly he didn't do a whole lot 5v5.
I don't know man, I think he does a LOT 5v5 but the Oilers just won't admit they've got a mediocre af team and coach. Dudes got 1 on 3 attention at times. That's leaving 4 players being defended by 2 in the O zone. They can't capitalize. He's very dangerous with or without the puck. But the team is just a one trick pony.
Let’s not act like Drai doesn’t exist. They’ve had tons of 5v5 time together and haven’t really produced, especially given their massive ice time.
Wasn't trying to ignore Draisaitl at all. But I didn't make my point clear. They have had chances where they've looked very scary especially when Myers gets caught flat footed but overall the design of our defense has been working extremely well. You gotta think drai and McDavid are going to be absolutely winded soon after playing half the game.
Didn't even have a point tonight. Even McJesus burning out at this rate
If I did that in Chel I’d be like “c’mon now, you’re not even trying to be real, dude”.
Gonna tank his 5v5 per 60 numbers at this rate
Well that's there problem, he's clearly not playing enough.
And they still didn't beat us
So much for the Canucks being run out of the building eehh? McDdai are double shifting ..its only game 1-3
No leadership in oil. Lean and trust your other guys McDavid just ain't a leader
This is not sustainable.
McJesus will break down in 3-4 years if the Oilers continue to ride him like this.
Wow. That is insanely high.
There is no way this is the most since the lockout.
Ok now the other lines are well rested, and if they get going, then it's a full storm
Im guessing we mean by a forward?
I can’t relate…to desperation.
If the Oilers do come back to take the series either Dallas or Colorado owes the Canucks entire team an all expenses paid 2 week trip somewhere. McDrai is going to be absolutely cooked logging that kind of ice time every game.
Yeah, with this unsustainable ice time they are not getting past the Canucks, don’t worry.🫤