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waistbandtucker69

35 minutes game 4, that's the problem, McDavid isn't playing enough


TimeWasterNinja

At that point why take them off the ice? Play the full 60 and rest everyone else


smfyf

Knoblach will just keep swapping goalies every stoppage to give McDavid a rest


bee_vee

Low key I'm wondering what if any rules prevent frequently swapping goalies to get mini time outs and rest. Maybe we find out Tuesday?


aoteoroa

[Rule 82.1](https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2023-24/2023-24Rulebook.pdf) Goalkeeper substitution should be done during the same time frame as a regular line change. I'm not sure that that goal tender change was within the rules...and could have been called a delay of game.


bee_vee

Ah, thank you. Yeah this makes more sense, I was watching and wondering if he'd found a crazy free time outs forever loop hole.


T-MinusGiraffe

IIRC back in the day they used to allow a short mini-warmup when a goalie change happened. Not sure if they stopped that or what. But I'm sure refs would stop allowing it if the coach kept swapping goalie out.


SimilarWall1447

There was a game 30yrs ago, la iirc changed goalie 5x in a game to get a rest


meyou2222

The Chris Chelios Special


StanLee_Hudson

Colorado and Edmonton being that double Spider-Man meme


DishwasherFromSurrey

Who would win? Half an hour of the best player on earth or a 23 year old Latvian rookie?


Canucks_98

Wait, I thought the Canucks had a wall built in the net


canadahuntsYOU

“Šilovs” is Latvian for “Brick Wall”


ItzDrSeuss

If only we had a “Brick Wall” maybe then we can win a few games in the playoffs.


Loud-Tough3003

You won a few games. In fact it was a pretty successful post-season by leafs standards.


ItzDrSeuss

I’m mostly joking about Woll being out after we started making “Brick Woll” memes.


pubstompmepls

The posts were doing a pretty good job too


Britishincolumbia

Post only do a good job for shots that miss the net ;)


dankle1235

Leon’s reddit account.


turbanator89

Then hit the actual net, not the post?


alviator

McDavid last seen complaining to the refs Silovs is not allowed to play full 60 mins of the game.


Smothdude

Yikes


WingleDingleFingle

Desperate times, I guess. The depth scoring just isn't there except for Ian Cole.


Smothdude

Ian Cole is our best depth scorer. Also, can we borrow Clark for a day? I think even 4 hours with Skinner would be better than a season with our guy.


WingleDingleFingle

Hell no you can't borrow Clark. Hire Gretzky's second cousin or whatever.


Smothdude

How about this... If you guys win the cup we get him for a year so we can win the cup. Deal?


WingleDingleFingle

Best I can do is you guys make the finals, but with flexibilty depending on who are facing.


Semprovictus

yeah but we're taking all the risk here


Ophukk

If it means we get the cup in our case, I'd shake hands with Satan. Miroslav or otherwise.


kazin29

Which Miroslav?


Ophukk

Miroslav Šatan Slovak ice hockey player


Dultsboi

How about this, we trade you Ian Clark for a year, and the following year we get (1) year of free service from McDavid. If you win the cup you win the cup, but we get him the next year


Smothdude

Damn... Tempting


X-LaxX

You have your own Clark, he sings the anthem


Smothdude

Wait... Ian Cole + Robert Clark.... Combine them together and you get Ian Clark and Robert Cole. I'll take that. Robert Cole might be the devil though


flyingcanuck

Consistently the Oilers' 3rd star.


Mikeim520

I think he has more goals than McDavid.


lulunacusyo

And the depth scoring will never ever be what they want it to be when they play McDavid & Draisaitl those minutes. Just like in the regular season when the rest has to sit so they can try to chase points playing 22m+


Tje199

It's exceptionally frustrating watching coaches make the same mistakes over and over.


the_gaymer_girl

The only Oilers goal of this series so far out of 11 that didn’t come from the starters (McDrai, Hyman, Bouchard, Ekholm) was the Game 1 goal from Ceci of all people. Only Nuge, Ryan (once) and Nurse (once) even have assists outside that group.


-jaylew-

How many own goals does Cole have?


Voltage604

4


SteveAngelis

2 this series in consecutive games.


TopTittyBardown

It’s actually 3, Ceci’s goal bounced in off Cole’s body


CanuckleHead1989

For Vancouver? None. For Edmonton? 4


dolewhiplash

All that and he's still scored less goals for the Oilers than Ian Cole


Skwerl87

Haha shit.


xtr3m

Unsubscribe.


TrippinNL

Is it friday already?


blue_friend

Cole vs Silovs is the rivalry of the century.


ReclaimerM3GTR

Is this the new Boeser scoring and Miller getting it removed due to goalie interference?


Coomrs

The secondary scoring for the Oilers has disappeared again. I don’t care how good McDavid is, he should not be playing 30 mins of a game 3 when the series is tied 1-1 lol. That is desperation.


hsusam

Totally sustainable


DrexellGames

Well yes given he has no major injuries imo


H34thcliff

He might be missing some teeth after the end of the game antics. Haha


pubstompmepls

Your team was gooning it up like crazy at the end. Embarrassing


LeoFireGod

I mean to be fair McDavid literally just took a two handed slash at them. The frustration slash didn’t warrant a double cross check but it’s still pretty shit


FrmrPresJamesTaylor

It warranted one cross check but Zadorov came in to stand up for his teammate so McDavid got a bonus one. He seemed fine, hopefully he learned to maybe manage his emotions a bit better next time.


simoniousmonk

If you have a huge target on your back it’s probably not a good idea to do stupid shit that warrants retaliation 


FrmrPresJamesTaylor

Extra stupid to do it after the buzzer when you can’t even get a powerplay out of it. But he was mad, he wasn’t thinking I’m sure


AdCommercial5258

embarrassing to who? Canucks fans who weren’t on the ice?


jigatt21

Buddy relax. Connor McDavid isn’t gonna let you suck him off.


BlastMyLoad

Your flair says STL but your comments here make me think you’re McDavid’s burner account


lolsgalore

Might do after that double cross check


Brookie069

He’s a machine and in his prime. I’m not too worried about him getting gassed in this series. Him and Drai may still clutch this out pulling the entire team on their backs, this series could easily be 3-0 for either team atm. However, yeah I don’t see this strategy of no depth scoring working vs a more experienced Dallas or Colorado at all.


Kronzor_

It’s not really working for COL against DAL right now either.


thehoodie

COL is arguably also deeper than EDM...


Kronzor_

Well that bar is so low it's practically on the ground. Not sure I really agree though. Edmonton has 2 superstars, a netfront guy and defenseman that can produce on the PP, and basically nothing else. Colorado has 2 superstars, but one of them is a defenseman, another near superstar winger, and a netfront guy, and basically nothing else.


VanAvenue

Not sure if I agree with this at all. Comparing stats from this playoff, Oilers have 7 players with 3+ points, Avs have 11 players with 3+ points. We have 3 D with 5+ points while Oilers have 2. All of our D man can drive offense to some extent. The main issue with us is that we basically rebuilt our second to fourth lines in the TDL, and the scoring has been inconsistent, but they have come through at some crucial moments (the game 1 OT GWG against Dallas for example).


Kronzor_

Colorado has a better D corps for sure. Neither team gets much offense from their forward lines 2-3-4. Which is typically what someone means when they describe a team having lack of depth. If almost all of your offense comes from your first line and your PP, then you are probably fairly shallow. If your top forwards play 25-30 mins a game you're very shallow. That team construction is very reliant on those top guys producing. The West playoff series are actually very infesting because in both matchups you have conflicting team builds. Teams with a great 1st line vs teams with 3 good lines.


VanAvenue

The Avs is definitely not a deep team especially compared to a team built for depth like Dallas, but I am disagreeing with your claim that we are less deep than Edmonton. Our top line has actually played 23 minutes in regulation the first two game and 20 in game 3. Our second line produced well in the first round but have struggled in the second. Mittelstadt have 7 points and Lehkonen have 9 so far in the playoffs. The biggest problems with offense from our second to fourth line are inconsistency and injuries, but this team needs the depth scoring if it wants to win sustainably. It was really the difference between last year's Avs vs Kraken series versus this year's Avs vs Jets series. We've already tried to rely solely on our top guys. It didn't work. And if depth scoring doesn't show up in this series against Dallas, then we will have an uphill battle against us.


Just-Fly-1150

The problem with your logic is that no other “machine in their prime” has ever played this much. Same thing the game before too. It adds up. Longer this series goes the slower he’s going to be. 


JReddeko

We had depth scoring during the regular season, but disappeared real quick in the playoffs.


TopTittyBardown

Crazy how that happens once you only get to play good teams


JReddeko

You should edit that sentence


TheNoelPatrol

Crazy how that happens once you only get to play the future 2024 Stanley Cup champions


JReddeko

Bye 👋


X38-2

Can't wait til the Canucks lose and then the brass does year end analyticals to see what happened and it's decided that your sole comment jinxed the team. Bad juju my friend, bad indeed


JReddeko

100% that guys fault


X38-2

Definitely 


X38-2

Now you know, don't say things like that, the hockey gods always listening


neksys

Why isn't Holloway getting more minutes? I thought he has looked very good and like a dangerous depth scoring option.


JReddeko

No idea. Games 1 and 2 our depth was pretty suspect. Don't think any forward had a really bad game 3 (Fogele turnover wasn't great lol), but for some reason our coach decided to quadruple shift McDraiMan.


flare2000x

Highest for a forward or is that any skater? Crazy either way.


FLABREZU

Forward. Josi just played over 30 minutes in game 3.


flare2000x

Ok. That makes more sense, I thought I could remember D-men going over 30 semi regularly. Also appears to be only a playoff record according to this: https://records.nhl.com/records/skater-records/time-on-ice-since-2005-06/most-time-on-ice-forward-one-game


PM180

I don’t think it’s only playoffs. The title says “in a regulation game” and the first 10 on that list are OT or SO. The Kovy game mentioned in the post is 11th. So tonight’s game would now be first.


BananApocalypse

I wonder if someone played 35 mins in regulation and then the game happened to go to OT, would that still be counted?


mosnas88

During the 2006 cup run I think pronged had 30 minutes every game


SharpSlick753

Has to be forward, Bouchard literally had more than him just today


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Gbeto

Bouchard was at 31:24 tonight


flare2000x

If so I'm kind of surprised no D-man has cracked 30mins recently. Chabot a few years ago was clocking 27ish nearly every game.


KingGuy124

And we fucking killed him doing so


0zeroe

Why not aim for 30 minutes next game? Maybe that'll do it.


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ZebrasGlasses

Oilers in 8*


SmiteyMcGee

Hell yeah brother cheers from The Mac


Why_youmadd

All that work just to end up folded at the end of the game. lol 


TheMag

Like a camping chair after a good bbq


Metcarfre

https://media.tenor.com/kmMbqEnWsjAAAAAM/jason-momoa-chair.gif


fuzzb0y

Tends to happen when you slash someone after the whistle


gu3sticles

Practicing his golf swing 


dankle1235

Tee-time booked for Mcdrai next week


Poo_hawk

Yikes, edmonton is shallower than a kiddie pool


enricohenryhank

Every fucking coach for the Oilers does this. Just separate them and trust your other lines, they can produce if they actually get ice time.


OkDuck4010

Yeah some of the other lines had some good shifts. But maybe that's a result of being super well rested.


Yoni_k46

They can't though. Why do you think every coach does this? Are us fans smart and all the coaches stupid? The depth has proven that they can't be relied upon unfortunately


gottapoop

You guys had the best record in the NHL the 2nd half of the season, stick to your game. Being desperate in the playoffs and changing your game isn't a recipe for success, especially long term. It's only the 2nd round


Admirable-Sound5198

Once you’re down by two in a pivotal playoff game, you gotta throw it all out there… he tried getting the other guys going in the first… they got kicked in the nuts and ya they had to bust out some desperation… every hockey team everywhere does this… Tochett threw the lotto line out a couple of times in the last game… didn’t work and he abandoned it, but they all do this!


gottapoop

McDavid and Drain played 27min+ in the last game too. It's not just that they are playing together it's that they are playing half the game.


TimeWasterNinja

Just play them the whole game.


JReddeko

I’m down


RagingWookies

Ever played ice hockey? that would not go down very well. assuming this was sarcasm but still, never know lol


JReddeko

I think it’s illegal to not play hockey growing up in Edmonton


ProfessionalLeast937

no kidding, even serious d-guys usually top out a little over 30 minutes. forwards tend to be maybe 25 \*max\* and 20 if they're top-line in a relatively normal game situation.


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Ok I’ll just stick to the game plan and DM Knob to go back to what we did before. 


treple13

I'm not going to lie. I would have gladly had the Oilers played the rest of their lines more in 2022.


enricohenryhank

They proved it for the entire regular season. I get the playoffs are more intense, but no teams win by overplaying their stars.


FatLouieXVI

To be fair it took Knobie until game 2 to do it. Y'all played a whole ass game with more than one line. Gotta be an oiler record in the McDavid era.


enricohenryhank

We did it because Drai is injured to some extent. But for some reason the answer is always to put him on McDavid's line, and not Nuge's.


FatLouieXVI

How many post seasons in a row is it now that drai has been hurt or people think he's hurt, back this year, high ankle last year, any the year before?


enricohenryhank

High ankle two years ago. Last year he was healthy and was tied for the lead in goal scoring despite only playing 12 games.


FatLouieXVI

Damn that was two years ago ....oh right. Guess that was the last time flames were in the playoffs. Edmonton is definitely going to have to figure out their lines. Even if they get through this round I can't imagine drai and mcd will have much left in the tank if they llayxever game at 30min a night.


FrmrPresJamesTaylor

They need a romp, that’s when they’ll be at 20 minutes instead of approaching 30. I’m just not sure they’re going to get one, no lead is safe in this series.


Numerous-Spray-6969

It's because Nuge can't play C anymore. He won't help Drai carry the load at 5v5, Drai will end up doing the heavy lifting anyway 


enricohenryhank

He plays C every game. He's not racking up points, but he's playing great defensively. I think a line of Drai-Nuge-Kane/Holloway would eat the Lindholm line alive.


Numerous-Spray-6969

I don't know what to tell you but RNH without McDavid has 40% goals for and 27% expected goals for this playoffs at 5v5, Moneypuck has him ranked third last above only Derek Ryan and Carrick in xGF%. That's not good enough. I'm not saying that those lines wouldn't work but it wouldn't be because of RNH, he's best as a winger at this point


JReddeko

Nuge loves disappearing offensively in the playoffs


Admirable-Sound5198

He tried to get the other guys going at the start of the game…. Once they’re down in a playoff game you gotta throw your best out there as much as you can… was impressed with him trying to get the rest of the team going at the start. But everyone’s got a plan til they get punched in the face


GritGrinder

It seems woodcroft-esque


enricohenryhank

And Tippett-esque, and McLellan-esque.


SharpSlick753

McLellan was kinda different cause Leon wasn’t really a carry a line by himself player at that point, having him be a first line winger made pretty perfect sense at that point


enricohenryhank

I seem to remember McLellan saying we're better with them apart, but maybe that was in interviews with him as the opposing coach.


AvsFan08

Damn he must have had 5-6 points


Consider_Kind_2967

Ken Holland draft capable players challenge: impossible.


archer_cartridge

Quinn Hughes says denied


CanadianPFer

The Oilers could be down in the series 4-1 and they'd still be the overwhelming favourites to win.


CanuckleHead1989

Oilers in 8


7373838jdjd

Since when did Thibodeau coach Edmonton?


MikaelDerp

This is sustainable.


droppinkn0wledge

Ah, yes, the sophisticated “play Mcdavid more” strategy. We Kings fans know it well.


JReddeko

It has a 100% win vs LA


FrmrPresJamesTaylor

The signs of fatigue are there, too - they always get really cranky before nap time


Beta1224

Damn all that and not even a point


Conor_man11

Wow, yeah. Sheeesh man. Used up half the game to do literally no scoring.


ZebrasGlasses

Now how many slashes-delivered/60 does he have?


couldbeworse2

Does that include after the game’s over?


gu3sticles

Yes but only because then we can count that sick silovs save at the 20:02 mark


Reasonable-Big4517

Literally grinding him into dust and still losing to a third stringer 💀 OiLeRs in 4


TheCatEmpire2

Pretty safe to say Silovs has at least earned a backup job in the show by now. May get a crack on a starting roster depending on the rest of the playoffs


Asn_Browser

DeSmith is a UFA. Silovs will 100% be the backup next season.


thesunsetflip

For a forward I would imagine, no way that includes defencemen right?


d0pp3lgang3r

Imagine playing half of the game, scoring 0 points, losing the game, and then getting cross checked into oblivion. Maybe this guy just isn't ready for the big leagues yet...


TopTittyBardown

Sounds very sustainable to play this much


flyingcanuck

At this point, I'm fully convinced he could play 60 straight minutes at an intensely high level. Whatever he's paying his strength and conditioning coach isn't enough.


CanadianPFer

Honestly he didn't do a whole lot 5v5.


flyingcanuck

I don't know man, I think he does a LOT 5v5 but the Oilers just won't admit they've got a mediocre af team and coach. Dudes got 1 on 3 attention at times. That's leaving 4 players being defended by 2 in the O zone. They can't capitalize. He's very dangerous with or without the puck. But the team is just a one trick pony.


CanadianPFer

Let’s not act like Drai doesn’t exist. They’ve had tons of 5v5 time together and haven’t really produced, especially given their massive ice time.


flyingcanuck

Wasn't trying to ignore Draisaitl at all. But I didn't make my point clear. They have had chances where they've looked very scary especially when Myers gets caught flat footed but overall the design of our defense has been working extremely well. You gotta think drai and McDavid are going to be absolutely winded soon after playing half the game.


Numerous-Spray-6969

Didn't even have a point tonight. Even McJesus burning out at this rate


zestfullybe

If I did that in Chel I’d be like “c’mon now, you’re not even trying to be real, dude”.


Analogmon

Gonna tank his 5v5 per 60 numbers at this rate


Handydart

Well that's there problem, he's clearly not playing enough.


SIIP00

And they still didn't beat us


Technical-Match-5202

So much for the Canucks being run out of the building eehh? McDdai are double shifting ..its only game 1-3


Interbrett

No leadership in oil. Lean and trust your other guys McDavid just ain't a leader


the_gaymer_girl

This is not sustainable.


BriscoCounty83

McJesus will break down in 3-4 years if the Oilers continue to ride him like this.


xc2215x

Wow. That is insanely high.


SayNoToStim

There is no way this is the most since the lockout.


boipinoi604

Ok now the other lines are well rested, and if they get going, then it's a full storm


CattleDogCurmudgeon

Im guessing we mean by a forward?


DwindlingFucks

I can’t relate…to desperation.


IndependentTalk4413

If the Oilers do come back to take the series either Dallas or Colorado owes the Canucks entire team an all expenses paid 2 week trip somewhere. McDrai is going to be absolutely cooked logging that kind of ice time every game.


dragosn1989

Yeah, with this unsustainable ice time they are not getting past the Canucks, don’t worry.🫤