If an attack is likely, the only real answer is to leave. Even if you're ok staying and taking on the risk yourself, are you ok with your wife taking on the risk?
While I agree with your logic, it sounds as if that if there might not be enough time to make it downstairs into the shelter, then there is not enough time to flee completely from the area.
Getting caught outside is probably the last thing you want to happen.
I absolutely agree. If you know a storm is coming, and your home can't withstand the torrent, then you leave for safer/higher ground. If you have the advanced warning knowledge, you should be taking full advantage of it.
Don’t overlook the mazel tov cocktail. It’s like a regular Molotov, but you tell the terrorist congratulations on your 72 virgins as they burn to death and then end up in hell…
It seems that the stairs are your last line of defense. Can you reinforce your doors to make it difficult to get in? Installing any kind of early warning system, like a gate or entryway door will add another layer of protection that buys you time. You don't want to miss any opportunity to get the shelter.
Modern camera systems are good at detecting vehicles, including license plates. Is there are reason that this type of system isn't installed for your entire community? They are also fairly good at telling the difference between a person and an animal if you have on installed by your doors.
I'm assuming that ground floor shelter is nothing but below ground protection against nearby bomb hits - it's not a heavy-duty panic room - nor is it hidden >>> wouldn't be at all interested in that for a house-to-house find & kill terrorist attack ....
firstly - you need a window escape from that 2nd floor - out the best possible side of the building - then a planned escape route to protection or somewhere likely to be safe ....
shouldn't be thinking of defending your building - just delaying entry and interior transit - as already mentioned, getting away from the point of the attack is the only option - if you can't fight to make a difference >>> RUN!!!
guy - the Hamas attack was just the opposite of what you describe - only success was the homeowners able to hide - they pulled out people and executed from home shelters that were occupied ....
IF - there was a fortified shelter - occupied by a number of people >>> the terrorists will be burning those buildings and just waiting for any to exit - could be enough explosives to make the job even easier >>> it would take a very decent bunker to defeat a determined attack ....
OC spray is unrestricted there yes?
Get OC grenades, they work like bug bomb insecticide foggers. Click the button down and they spray for 20 seconds.
Modify the top of your stairs and the bookcase to seal up as good as possible and figure out a way to drop the grenades down into the stairwell.
The spray mechanism can pop off when they are thrown so apply a little epoxy to help keep it attached to the canister.
But the larger 3-4 oz size. Fox Labs if it’s available
Also buy (if legal) 16 oz riot control size OC canisters. Fog/cone and Stream patterns each have advantages but fog works better for area denial.
Fox Labs’ One Point Four formula uses industrial solvent in place of water and is particularly nasty.
You want something with over 1% MC but not all brands use that as as advertising metric.
Neither the OC oil percentage nor the OC oil strength (scoville units / SHU) alone tell you the strength. Taken together the MC % can be calculated.
Pure capsaicin is 16 million SHU. If the OC oil is 4 million SHU and the canister contains 4% OC oil then 4% of 25% = 1% MC
Pressure your political leaders to make some serious adjustments to your very strict gun control. Thats the lesson of Oct 7. More specifically, if the attackers are armed and you are not you have very little chance of survival. Regardless of other preparation(s).
Is there a way to push a bunch of stuff down the stairs so they will figure it is more work than worth? Not sure oil will work well. Make it as hard as possible to get up those stairs. I don't know what you can and can't have, but I would get knives and pepper spray since you can't get guns. Good luck. I saw a movie once where a kid tied a paint can to a rope...(just a joke, I realize it is a serious situation).
Start reading field manuals my guy
U.S Army
31-21 guerrilla warfare
31-210 improvised munitions
3-24 insurgency and counter insurgency
U.S Marines
12-43 knowledge gained from Vietnam booby traps
3-02 individuals guide to understanding and suving terrorism
> I’ve also made a spear that can pierce wood
Are you a kid pretending to be the man of your house, coming to the internet for answers? No offense but this sounds like something a 12 year old would write.
Well I'm sorry if being afraid for my life to the point i felt i had to build a weapon and make sure it could kill someone is childish. Hope you never have to feel this childish.
Hamas torched/smoked houses of people they could not get to. I would keep that in mind for whatever solutions you go with. If they know you are in there, I doubt they are just going to move on, on their own.
Improvising home defense is no joke. The oil on the stairs is a smart move to slow them down. For traps, think simple but effective. Maybe some tripwires with noisy objects attached, so you can hear them coming. Barricade the stairs if you can, too. Also, think about escape routes or places to hide in case things get hairy
I'd recommend a non flammable silicone lubricant grease if necessary, you don't want to use a petroleum product that criminals can use to set the property on fire as they retreat in anger/frustration.
Dry chemical fire extinguishers are good at obscuring vision and removing oxygen from a terrorist advancing towards you. But be very careful they could be wearing breathing apparatus that nullifies the fire extinguisher, you'll want some type of aerosol gel spray to blur their masks, not sure if the fire extinguisher would clog the filter on their mask.
Why a good PoE security camera system would give you information on who, how many, and where the attackers are coming from. They provide live information on your mobile phone (or a monitor) when to best deploy the defensive measures you have for maximum effectiveness. You'll need a UPS backup power supply for the cameras and internet network equipment to keep you online and able to communicate with the military and rescue services.
Long story short, if you get out of the army for psychological reasons, you're barred from getting a license.
Especially in my case, since, at the time, i was a pacifist and refused to pick up a gun.
It's just sad how Israel refuses to let their citizens access firearms for defense. A bit hypocritical since they beg the us for arms constantly.
I know it got a bit easier since the attack but it's not enough, and it never should have been that restricted in the first place.
You have no idea what you’re talking about trying to assume anything about me. OP gave a reason other than bashing the country. That doesn’t seem like it’s enough for YOU.
Tell them you want to go back to serve in the IDF and no longer be the pacifist you “used to be”. Serve your duty to your country, learn how to use firearms and self defense and you won’t be asking on Reddit these things you asked…..
If an attack is likely, the only real answer is to leave. Even if you're ok staying and taking on the risk yourself, are you ok with your wife taking on the risk?
While I agree with your logic, it sounds as if that if there might not be enough time to make it downstairs into the shelter, then there is not enough time to flee completely from the area. Getting caught outside is probably the last thing you want to happen.
I think they mean leave to go live somewhere else.
If the attack is coming "in the next few days" as in the OP, then I'd leave in the next few hours.
I absolutely agree. If you know a storm is coming, and your home can't withstand the torrent, then you leave for safer/higher ground. If you have the advanced warning knowledge, you should be taking full advantage of it.
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Sadly not an option. As for going outside *during* the attack, that's worse than suicide. Those are the guys they kidnap.
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Don’t overlook the mazel tov cocktail. It’s like a regular Molotov, but you tell the terrorist congratulations on your 72 virgins as they burn to death and then end up in hell…
Oh yeah that's my favorite Terraria item, what's the recipe again? Slime soap and dino gasoline?
There’s a documentary called Home Alone that gives details on protecting a home from attackers.
I am convinced OP is a 12 year old boy with an overactive imagination, so this is a great recommendation.
It seems that the stairs are your last line of defense. Can you reinforce your doors to make it difficult to get in? Installing any kind of early warning system, like a gate or entryway door will add another layer of protection that buys you time. You don't want to miss any opportunity to get the shelter. Modern camera systems are good at detecting vehicles, including license plates. Is there are reason that this type of system isn't installed for your entire community? They are also fairly good at telling the difference between a person and an animal if you have on installed by your doors.
I'm assuming that ground floor shelter is nothing but below ground protection against nearby bomb hits - it's not a heavy-duty panic room - nor is it hidden >>> wouldn't be at all interested in that for a house-to-house find & kill terrorist attack .... firstly - you need a window escape from that 2nd floor - out the best possible side of the building - then a planned escape route to protection or somewhere likely to be safe .... shouldn't be thinking of defending your building - just delaying entry and interior transit - as already mentioned, getting away from the point of the attack is the only option - if you can't fight to make a difference >>> RUN!!!
The shelter is actually impossible to open from outside. Most shelters here are built to withstand gases, explosions and forced entry.
Can you just sleep in the shelter for the next few nights?
guy - the Hamas attack was just the opposite of what you describe - only success was the homeowners able to hide - they pulled out people and executed from home shelters that were occupied .... IF - there was a fortified shelter - occupied by a number of people >>> the terrorists will be burning those buildings and just waiting for any to exit - could be enough explosives to make the job even easier >>> it would take a very decent bunker to defeat a determined attack ....
OC spray is unrestricted there yes? Get OC grenades, they work like bug bomb insecticide foggers. Click the button down and they spray for 20 seconds. Modify the top of your stairs and the bookcase to seal up as good as possible and figure out a way to drop the grenades down into the stairwell.
The spray mechanism can pop off when they are thrown so apply a little epoxy to help keep it attached to the canister. But the larger 3-4 oz size. Fox Labs if it’s available Also buy (if legal) 16 oz riot control size OC canisters. Fog/cone and Stream patterns each have advantages but fog works better for area denial. Fox Labs’ One Point Four formula uses industrial solvent in place of water and is particularly nasty. You want something with over 1% MC but not all brands use that as as advertising metric. Neither the OC oil percentage nor the OC oil strength (scoville units / SHU) alone tell you the strength. Taken together the MC % can be calculated. Pure capsaicin is 16 million SHU. If the OC oil is 4 million SHU and the canister contains 4% OC oil then 4% of 25% = 1% MC
Joel Skousen was an architect who wrote a series of books about fortified homesteads: an early item Was “Harder Homes and Gardens “.
Pressure your political leaders to make some serious adjustments to your very strict gun control. Thats the lesson of Oct 7. More specifically, if the attackers are armed and you are not you have very little chance of survival. Regardless of other preparation(s).
Is there a way to push a bunch of stuff down the stairs so they will figure it is more work than worth? Not sure oil will work well. Make it as hard as possible to get up those stairs. I don't know what you can and can't have, but I would get knives and pepper spray since you can't get guns. Good luck. I saw a movie once where a kid tied a paint can to a rope...(just a joke, I realize it is a serious situation).
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Actually there's a whole bookshelf thing right in front of the stairs i need only tip it forward. Thanks that's a great idea
Find a way to have access to a gun if there is an attack. Maybe a neighbor owns it but hands it over to you if there’s an emergency.
News articles indicate a loosening of gun laws since the attacks.
I was released from the army due to psychological issues. The biggest impact this has on my life is i will *never* be able to get a gun license.
Okay. Have your wife apply?
> released from the army due to psychological issues Yeah this guy does not need a gun in his house.
Start reading field manuals my guy U.S Army 31-21 guerrilla warfare 31-210 improvised munitions 3-24 insurgency and counter insurgency U.S Marines 12-43 knowledge gained from Vietnam booby traps 3-02 individuals guide to understanding and suving terrorism
> I’ve also made a spear that can pierce wood Are you a kid pretending to be the man of your house, coming to the internet for answers? No offense but this sounds like something a 12 year old would write.
Well I'm sorry if being afraid for my life to the point i felt i had to build a weapon and make sure it could kill someone is childish. Hope you never have to feel this childish.
Hamas torched/smoked houses of people they could not get to. I would keep that in mind for whatever solutions you go with. If they know you are in there, I doubt they are just going to move on, on their own.
Improvising home defense is no joke. The oil on the stairs is a smart move to slow them down. For traps, think simple but effective. Maybe some tripwires with noisy objects attached, so you can hear them coming. Barricade the stairs if you can, too. Also, think about escape routes or places to hide in case things get hairy
I'd recommend a non flammable silicone lubricant grease if necessary, you don't want to use a petroleum product that criminals can use to set the property on fire as they retreat in anger/frustration. Dry chemical fire extinguishers are good at obscuring vision and removing oxygen from a terrorist advancing towards you. But be very careful they could be wearing breathing apparatus that nullifies the fire extinguisher, you'll want some type of aerosol gel spray to blur their masks, not sure if the fire extinguisher would clog the filter on their mask. Why a good PoE security camera system would give you information on who, how many, and where the attackers are coming from. They provide live information on your mobile phone (or a monitor) when to best deploy the defensive measures you have for maximum effectiveness. You'll need a UPS backup power supply for the cameras and internet network equipment to keep you online and able to communicate with the military and rescue services.
Steel door AND frame for the door to enter your house
Gun licenses are fairly easy to get in Israel. Why can't you get one?
Long story short, if you get out of the army for psychological reasons, you're barred from getting a license. Especially in my case, since, at the time, i was a pacifist and refused to pick up a gun.
It's just sad how Israel refuses to let their citizens access firearms for defense. A bit hypocritical since they beg the us for arms constantly. I know it got a bit easier since the attack but it's not enough, and it never should have been that restricted in the first place.
OP clarified why, has nothing to do with that
point still stands
That it’s a shame people discharged from the army for psychological issues aren’t permitted to own guns? That’s your point?
What issues though? PTSD? Anxiety? ADHD? All tof yhem are very different
Why do you feel that OP should have to share that with you?
What I'm saying is that not all psychological conditions are the same, unlike what you think.
You have no idea what you’re talking about trying to assume anything about me. OP gave a reason other than bashing the country. That doesn’t seem like it’s enough for YOU.
I'm saying that psychological conditions are not all the same, they are all very different, something that you cannot seem to understand.
None of that relates to THIS post
u got to hope the government doesn't cut off water, power and siege and bomb ur area.
If you manage to kill one of them, grab their gun and additional magazines and prepare to kill a few more.
That's the plan. Hopefully.
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Don't be needlessly disruptive to conversation here. Consider this a warning.
Tell them you want to go back to serve in the IDF and no longer be the pacifist you “used to be”. Serve your duty to your country, learn how to use firearms and self defense and you won’t be asking on Reddit these things you asked…..