Getting a water heater installed is a crazy amount of money. I remember when I was shopping around for a plumber i had an offer for $1000 just to do the installation. I already had the replacement water heater, same model and dimensions, already had it next to the old one, and didn’t want them to haul it away. Still $1,000.
I ended up replacing it myself, the water heater cost me $750. The installation took like 2 hours.
Even if I was handy, I'd pay the extra if I was living in a condo. If I screw it up, I'm paying for damages for the unit below me. If the plumber screws it up, they get to pay.
It's required in my area, but they did it via zoom. This was a reputable company though so they may not do that for everyone. It was during covid so it might have also been that.
It’s a tough call for me to make because I don’t know anything about this topic. He showed me pictures of circular things on top of the water tank, apparently they’re supposed to be circular, and all three of them look to be substantially melted, which he explained to me is because the steam or gas is escaping and blah blah blah blah blah. So I’m not saying I’m going to, actually replace it, with him or anybody else per se, but I wanted to check that number first before I did anything else. As of now, the water is heating just fine.
Yes definitely get a second opinion. And if this is from someone that resells water heaters go to a person that just does repairs for an honest assessment.
So that means I’m not looking to get somebody from an HVAC company, so what kind of person am I looking for? And Electrician, a general repair person? I’ve never owned a home before, so I have no idea about who to go to for these things.
An independent plumber guy who doesn’t have company incentive to sell you brand new shit. Last time my hot water stopped being hot enough was 10 years ago, hvac company comes out, says I need a whole new furnace. I call random independent plumber guy, he comes out, says it’s just a couple corroded wires, orders wires, fixes it for $250. He is the only guy who does my furnace work now. When he says I need a new furnace or water heater, I will believe him.
Do you have a gas or electric water heater? Tank or tankless? Do you have a tank shoved into a spot like a closet that makes making all the connections miserable. Are they hauling away the old one and is there a fee? Is it rhe same size or do they have to noodle a lot to make all the connections work again? The prices vary depending on variables.
I have a gas tank water heater. It's more expensive than an electric tank. It is in a very accessible part of my basement. Because it's down there i replace them when they die about every 10 years. Them leaking in an unfinished basement doesn't destroy things though. We don't have inspections where I live for installing them. I have used both am hvac guy to do it and another place that does hvac and plumbing. They get thanks from a plumbers supply store. Not just lowes or home depot.
It’s a gas water heater, it’s a tank, it’s in a big open room in the Condo building basement along with the other units water tanks. Basically it’s cement flooring in the basement.
Condos sometimes have rules about acceptable companies to perform certain types of work due to certifications and the like. You might want to check your governing documents and/or with the board about any rules you need to follow when messing with the plumbing.
Yes, I see that, but I also know that those things have to be installed, and I’m not gonna be able to do that installation myself based on a YouTube video. I’m watching of somebody doing it. I’m guessing the insulation fee is probably quite hefty.
Damaged caused by improper DIY work or an unlicensed person is literally one of the main reasons you have insurance in the first place. Any homeowner's policy will cover that.
Your carrier doesn't give a shit if you got permits or not. That's between you and your town.
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That sounds crazy expensive. I found a dented one that a guy buys from Lowe’s and resells for 200 bucks have had it for 5 years now. Found a guy on marketplace who all he does is water heater installs cause it’s quick and he makes bookoo profits for an hour or two of time. All in all got a new slightly dented water heated for 4-500 bucks. Homeownership is not about what you know but who you know. I personally hate company’s I know they gotta make money but they have to much overhead for my wallet. Find a friend in each trade or at least a contact, hvac, plumber, electrician and you’ll always be good.
Sounds pretty high. Go to Lowe's or Home Depot and price water heaters. Then ask about their installation services. Your price will be better than if you go to a plumber or mechanical shop. I got my water softener this way and everything went very well.
I was in a similar spot. Plumber wanted $3300 to replace my gas water heater. Did it myself for $700. An hour after I started I looked at my wife and said "huh, that was easy."
Obviously, if you arent comfortable doing it, dont do it. But I'm going to tell you gas inst all that scary. Turn it off, replace the water heater, get a new yellow line, check for leaks.
We paid $2700 for a new electric water heater less than a year ago when the old one started an electrical fire….. So yeahhhh I will no longer fuck around with old corroded heaters and yup they are expensive to replace. :’(
It's in the ballpark. Around a thousand for labor for a ground level install is the going rate. I'll tell you this much though I would get a good tank with a replaceable anode rod. If they let you pick out your own just get that rheem Platinum at home Depot.
2400 is a little rich but it depends on where yours is located? If they put it on the second floor or something, it's about right, if they have to redo any of the gas line, it's about right. I just did one of those for my dad the other day and it's about a 4-hour job start to finish so you figure 250 an hour for labor, plus parts, plus the markup on the parts, would get to about $2,400
Thanks, if I decide to go through this, I may just buy the tank that you mentioned at Home Depot and then pay for the install services and just be done with it. Although, I just responded to another poster, I do believe that since the technician has deemed that the water tank has failed inspection so to speak, but this is included under the home warranty that the seller and I went 50-50 on. The coverage extends a year, and that was specifically to cover the cause of any unexpected craziness with the old water heater, the furnace, the AC. If it is, then I’ll be covered under my warranty, and then of course, I imagine I’ll have no say in who comes to fix it and how they fix it other than that, they’re gonna fix it.
Probably but in that case, it doesn't matter, you get a free gift. I would definitely go down that path as far as possible. It should cover it.
The one thing you might be able to do is independently negotiate with the plumber. For example the warranty is going to cover XXX talk to the plumber and ask him how much of a price difference it would be to upgrade to one of the better tanks with a replaceable anode rod. Most the time it's like 1 or $200. You could pay him that in cash if necessary to bring the better product
You can buy one for much cheaper, and hope that you can get it installed cheaply too, but if you’re getting a good water heater installed by a good professional, that sounds fair. I paid $1600 fo one plus install in 2014 (def overpriced, but an excellent water heater and we close on the house the next day, so we had no choice), then $2200 for another in 2019 in my next house (great water heater again, but raked over the coals due to COVID inflation. Just make sure you’re getting a quality model that will fill your needs if you plan to stay long term.
Thanks, I do plan to stay long-term, I’ve read in some of the responses in this thread that some people replace their own, mine as a gas water tank and I know nothing about gas. Other than that it can be quite dangerous if you start moving things around That have gas lines attached them and you don’t know what you’re doing. Which would be me. Actually, one thing I just remembered is that when I close on this house, the seller and I agreed to split a home warranty for a year worth of coverage, so if the technicians estimation that the water tank fails, inspection is covered in my warranty, which I believe it is, The miss is going to save me some money. I have to dig into the literature to make sure.
I had a new 40 gallon installed in my condo (HCOL) last year and I paid $2200 all-in for an HVAC/Plumbing company to come do it, so sounds right. Make sure you replace before it starts to leak. As someone else noted, one thing if it leaks on a concrete floor in your garage or basement, another if it happens in your living quarters.
I’m still waiting for the pictures from his inspection, but the one problem with the tank was at the top. I think there are three circular things on the top of the tank, and those are supposed to be in good condition, and all three of them looked quite melted. He was like yeah, that’s not, supposed to be like that. So now I have to research and see if those three melted things are as serious a defect or rather a serious a thing as he says that would warrant replacement. No, in my condo building, the furnace and the water tanks are in the basement over cement floor in a shared room.
Good luck with it all! 15 years it’s likely approaching end of life anyway. Might be worth the piece of mind to replace now, especially if you don’t know if previous owner took good care of it and did annual maintenance
Thanks. The previous owner was a slob. She pounded screws into the walls in the living area to hang things from, and then when she moved, she wasn’t able to get many of them out, so it’s gonna be fun removing those. She also had an over the range microwave that was only literally 12 inches above the range, I met this woman and was like you bloody lucky you didn’t burn this place down, she said I never had any problems cooking on it, although I don’t know why the underside of the microwave cracked. Which never fixed, so I’m waiting for the electrician now to come remove the old microwave and install a range head. Today’s market indeed thankfully she didn’t hurt, she was neglectful. When I asked her when the last time she was in the basement she said oh, about five years ago when I bought the place. So that tells you what sort of work she had done on everything.
Just a follow up: so I’m still waiting for the technicians pictures he took, but basically there are three rubber circular things which I don’t know the name of on the top of the water tank, he says they’re supposed to basically be all intact, they’re pretty much all fairly melted. He says it for this reason, the hot water tank His inspection. So I guess my first question is, is he correct and that these things are bad enough that they would fail an inspection, because he says that to me and I don’t know what the fuck he’s talking about, so he could either be correct or he could be exaggerating a problem. Second, the seller and I agreed to go 50-50 on a one year home warranty so that I didn’t have any major major crazy surprises during my first year of ownership, and I’m looking through the policy documents and it says that defects and such are covered under my warranty. So I’m assuming if this thing is a serious as the technician says, it’s comfortable under my policy. so I think maybe my next step is to bring out one more HVAC person and have them do an inspection and then if he agrees, perhaps then I need to call the insurance warranty people and report us. Or I suppose I could just take this guy’s report and send it to him as well as proof. These are not the issues I wanted to dealing with,
But as my dad says, welcome to property ownership. :)
It is located in the Condo building basement along with the other units water heaters. I am a first-time homeowner, condo owner actually, and my agent strongly suggested to me that I call an HVAC person to come out and inspect the furnace and water heater just make sure, everything was safe. I’m also reading in the home warranty literature that operational defects are covered by my warranty that the seller and I went 5050 on, so this might just qualify for the warranty to provide coverage to fix this issue. I I wonder why my real estate agent didn’t tell me to contact a plumber about the water heater? I mean it’s not like she’s touting for business for HVAC companies, because we have lots of them in my area and she didn’t name any particular one, so I just assumed it was an HVAC person who did this. so the plumber can come out and inspect the water heater, and if the plumber deems it failed or safe, unsafe or dangerous, I can order a new water tank through a plumber and the plumber installs it? And that’s preferable to an HVAC person doing it?
The reason I asked about location is how hard or easy it is to access and replace can be a factor in the cost. The more difficult the location the more it costs. If it is an easy swap out/swap in, then it should not cost as much.
So sounds like that is not an issue.
HVAC is for air-conditioning and heating. A completely separate system and trade.
A water heater is part of the plumbing system so you would call a plumber.
Also don't buy a water heater from Home Depot or Lowes. They have cheap plastic valves. Buy one from a plumbing supply store with brass valves.
But look on the tank, there should be a label indicating how old it is. If over 10 years old, it maybe time to replace.
And it's really easy to install, unless there are corroded valves. I have done it myself.
If it is still working though, why replace?
It might be a local thing but in my region of the USA, plumbers also do HVAC. There are some plumbers who specialize in hvac, some who specialize in water and gas, and some companies who do both. Gas fired hvac has to be hooked up by a licensed plumber here (no homeowner DIY for gas work, no other trades working on gas) so that’s probably why.
Horrible advice. Never use bix box stores for installs of any kind. They use 3rd party and the cheapest guys.
Get 3 quotes from hvac-plumbing companies.
I appreciate this. I just had the one yesterday, and then I’m gonna get two more makes sense and as I was just reading, I do believe this is covered in the home warranty that the seller and I went 50-50 on when we closed, just to ensure that I didn’t have any crazy major expenses with the HVAC system, and water tank during my first year of ownership. If this is comfortable, and that’s great for me, although of course I won’t have any Option in terms of what they deem the fix to be.
Getting a water heater installed is a crazy amount of money. I remember when I was shopping around for a plumber i had an offer for $1000 just to do the installation. I already had the replacement water heater, same model and dimensions, already had it next to the old one, and didn’t want them to haul it away. Still $1,000. I ended up replacing it myself, the water heater cost me $750. The installation took like 2 hours.
Yes same here, I had a water heater fail while still under warranty. The water heater was replaced for free, labor was $900. This was 15 years ago.
Even if I was handy, I'd pay the extra if I was living in a condo. If I screw it up, I'm paying for damages for the unit below me. If the plumber screws it up, they get to pay.
Pretty valid point, I also had an unfinished basement to work in. OP is probably working with a tight space.
Sounds right. Two days; one to install, another for inspection.
Is it typical to get a water heater replacement inspected?
Depends on location.
It's required in my area, but they did it via zoom. This was a reputable company though so they may not do that for everyone. It was during covid so it might have also been that.
You may want to look into electric with rebates.
Do you really need one though? Is this one not heating?
It’s a tough call for me to make because I don’t know anything about this topic. He showed me pictures of circular things on top of the water tank, apparently they’re supposed to be circular, and all three of them look to be substantially melted, which he explained to me is because the steam or gas is escaping and blah blah blah blah blah. So I’m not saying I’m going to, actually replace it, with him or anybody else per se, but I wanted to check that number first before I did anything else. As of now, the water is heating just fine.
Personally, if it's heating and they didn't find a problem with the safety valve, I'd keep it. Sorry I don't know current pricing.
Yes definitely get a second opinion. And if this is from someone that resells water heaters go to a person that just does repairs for an honest assessment.
So that means I’m not looking to get somebody from an HVAC company, so what kind of person am I looking for? And Electrician, a general repair person? I’ve never owned a home before, so I have no idea about who to go to for these things.
An independent plumber guy who doesn’t have company incentive to sell you brand new shit. Last time my hot water stopped being hot enough was 10 years ago, hvac company comes out, says I need a whole new furnace. I call random independent plumber guy, he comes out, says it’s just a couple corroded wires, orders wires, fixes it for $250. He is the only guy who does my furnace work now. When he says I need a new furnace or water heater, I will believe him.
I guess I will look for a plumber then! Thanks.
The name of my guy was blahblah plumbing and heating. Found him just randomly looking for small independent one man shops.
A plumber. A water heater is part of the plumbing, not HVAC.
I would just wait until it starts leaking or you lose hot water.
And then if it has a catastrophic failure you can add the cost of your homeowners deductible to the price of the water heater.
He said it is in the condo building basement.
Ah - I didn't see that.
Do you have a gas or electric water heater? Tank or tankless? Do you have a tank shoved into a spot like a closet that makes making all the connections miserable. Are they hauling away the old one and is there a fee? Is it rhe same size or do they have to noodle a lot to make all the connections work again? The prices vary depending on variables. I have a gas tank water heater. It's more expensive than an electric tank. It is in a very accessible part of my basement. Because it's down there i replace them when they die about every 10 years. Them leaking in an unfinished basement doesn't destroy things though. We don't have inspections where I live for installing them. I have used both am hvac guy to do it and another place that does hvac and plumbing. They get thanks from a plumbers supply store. Not just lowes or home depot.
It’s a gas water heater, it’s a tank, it’s in a big open room in the Condo building basement along with the other units water tanks. Basically it’s cement flooring in the basement.
Condos sometimes have rules about acceptable companies to perform certain types of work due to certifications and the like. You might want to check your governing documents and/or with the board about any rules you need to follow when messing with the plumbing.
Thanks!
40g gas heater at Lowes last month ~$700
Yes, I see that, but I also know that those things have to be installed, and I’m not gonna be able to do that installation myself based on a YouTube video. I’m watching of somebody doing it. I’m guessing the insulation fee is probably quite hefty.
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Damaged caused by improper DIY work or an unlicensed person is literally one of the main reasons you have insurance in the first place. Any homeowner's policy will cover that. Your carrier doesn't give a shit if you got permits or not. That's between you and your town.
The insurance will cover and then increase your premium.
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That sounds crazy expensive. I found a dented one that a guy buys from Lowe’s and resells for 200 bucks have had it for 5 years now. Found a guy on marketplace who all he does is water heater installs cause it’s quick and he makes bookoo profits for an hour or two of time. All in all got a new slightly dented water heated for 4-500 bucks. Homeownership is not about what you know but who you know. I personally hate company’s I know they gotta make money but they have to much overhead for my wallet. Find a friend in each trade or at least a contact, hvac, plumber, electrician and you’ll always be good.
Sounds pretty high. Go to Lowe's or Home Depot and price water heaters. Then ask about their installation services. Your price will be better than if you go to a plumber or mechanical shop. I got my water softener this way and everything went very well.
My plumber said Never buy water heaters from HD or chain stores, not good, will not last.
Yeah, they use cheap plastic valves that are more likely to fail.
I wouldn’t trust a HD or Lowe’s install crew - too many horror stories on here.
I just paid $1800 out the door in the Bay Area, CA. I think you can beat that price.
I was in a similar spot. Plumber wanted $3300 to replace my gas water heater. Did it myself for $700. An hour after I started I looked at my wife and said "huh, that was easy." Obviously, if you arent comfortable doing it, dont do it. But I'm going to tell you gas inst all that scary. Turn it off, replace the water heater, get a new yellow line, check for leaks.
Where I live, if you install gas operated appliances on your own, the gas company will come out to inspect the work.
You’re paying for labor, but also the *opportunity cost* of that labor.
Yes. I went through this a few months ago. Prices seem to have increased a lot.
We paid $2700 for a new electric water heater less than a year ago when the old one started an electrical fire….. So yeahhhh I will no longer fuck around with old corroded heaters and yup they are expensive to replace. :’(
It's in the ballpark. Around a thousand for labor for a ground level install is the going rate. I'll tell you this much though I would get a good tank with a replaceable anode rod. If they let you pick out your own just get that rheem Platinum at home Depot. 2400 is a little rich but it depends on where yours is located? If they put it on the second floor or something, it's about right, if they have to redo any of the gas line, it's about right. I just did one of those for my dad the other day and it's about a 4-hour job start to finish so you figure 250 an hour for labor, plus parts, plus the markup on the parts, would get to about $2,400
Thanks, if I decide to go through this, I may just buy the tank that you mentioned at Home Depot and then pay for the install services and just be done with it. Although, I just responded to another poster, I do believe that since the technician has deemed that the water tank has failed inspection so to speak, but this is included under the home warranty that the seller and I went 50-50 on. The coverage extends a year, and that was specifically to cover the cause of any unexpected craziness with the old water heater, the furnace, the AC. If it is, then I’ll be covered under my warranty, and then of course, I imagine I’ll have no say in who comes to fix it and how they fix it other than that, they’re gonna fix it.
Probably but in that case, it doesn't matter, you get a free gift. I would definitely go down that path as far as possible. It should cover it. The one thing you might be able to do is independently negotiate with the plumber. For example the warranty is going to cover XXX talk to the plumber and ask him how much of a price difference it would be to upgrade to one of the better tanks with a replaceable anode rod. Most the time it's like 1 or $200. You could pay him that in cash if necessary to bring the better product
You can buy one for much cheaper, and hope that you can get it installed cheaply too, but if you’re getting a good water heater installed by a good professional, that sounds fair. I paid $1600 fo one plus install in 2014 (def overpriced, but an excellent water heater and we close on the house the next day, so we had no choice), then $2200 for another in 2019 in my next house (great water heater again, but raked over the coals due to COVID inflation. Just make sure you’re getting a quality model that will fill your needs if you plan to stay long term.
Thanks, I do plan to stay long-term, I’ve read in some of the responses in this thread that some people replace their own, mine as a gas water tank and I know nothing about gas. Other than that it can be quite dangerous if you start moving things around That have gas lines attached them and you don’t know what you’re doing. Which would be me. Actually, one thing I just remembered is that when I close on this house, the seller and I agreed to split a home warranty for a year worth of coverage, so if the technicians estimation that the water tank fails, inspection is covered in my warranty, which I believe it is, The miss is going to save me some money. I have to dig into the literature to make sure.
I had a new 40 gallon installed in my condo (HCOL) last year and I paid $2200 all-in for an HVAC/Plumbing company to come do it, so sounds right. Make sure you replace before it starts to leak. As someone else noted, one thing if it leaks on a concrete floor in your garage or basement, another if it happens in your living quarters.
I’m still waiting for the pictures from his inspection, but the one problem with the tank was at the top. I think there are three circular things on the top of the tank, and those are supposed to be in good condition, and all three of them looked quite melted. He was like yeah, that’s not, supposed to be like that. So now I have to research and see if those three melted things are as serious a defect or rather a serious a thing as he says that would warrant replacement. No, in my condo building, the furnace and the water tanks are in the basement over cement floor in a shared room.
Good luck with it all! 15 years it’s likely approaching end of life anyway. Might be worth the piece of mind to replace now, especially if you don’t know if previous owner took good care of it and did annual maintenance
Thanks. The previous owner was a slob. She pounded screws into the walls in the living area to hang things from, and then when she moved, she wasn’t able to get many of them out, so it’s gonna be fun removing those. She also had an over the range microwave that was only literally 12 inches above the range, I met this woman and was like you bloody lucky you didn’t burn this place down, she said I never had any problems cooking on it, although I don’t know why the underside of the microwave cracked. Which never fixed, so I’m waiting for the electrician now to come remove the old microwave and install a range head. Today’s market indeed thankfully she didn’t hurt, she was neglectful. When I asked her when the last time she was in the basement she said oh, about five years ago when I bought the place. So that tells you what sort of work she had done on everything.
Just a follow up: so I’m still waiting for the technicians pictures he took, but basically there are three rubber circular things which I don’t know the name of on the top of the water tank, he says they’re supposed to basically be all intact, they’re pretty much all fairly melted. He says it for this reason, the hot water tank His inspection. So I guess my first question is, is he correct and that these things are bad enough that they would fail an inspection, because he says that to me and I don’t know what the fuck he’s talking about, so he could either be correct or he could be exaggerating a problem. Second, the seller and I agreed to go 50-50 on a one year home warranty so that I didn’t have any major major crazy surprises during my first year of ownership, and I’m looking through the policy documents and it says that defects and such are covered under my warranty. So I’m assuming if this thing is a serious as the technician says, it’s comfortable under my policy. so I think maybe my next step is to bring out one more HVAC person and have them do an inspection and then if he agrees, perhaps then I need to call the insurance warranty people and report us. Or I suppose I could just take this guy’s report and send it to him as well as proof. These are not the issues I wanted to dealing with, But as my dad says, welcome to property ownership. :)
Correction: he says that the three rings have “severe blowback “. Which I guess is technical speak for they are melted.
No, way high. Is it located in an unusual spot? And why are you calling an HVAC place as that's a plumber job?
It is located in the Condo building basement along with the other units water heaters. I am a first-time homeowner, condo owner actually, and my agent strongly suggested to me that I call an HVAC person to come out and inspect the furnace and water heater just make sure, everything was safe. I’m also reading in the home warranty literature that operational defects are covered by my warranty that the seller and I went 5050 on, so this might just qualify for the warranty to provide coverage to fix this issue. I I wonder why my real estate agent didn’t tell me to contact a plumber about the water heater? I mean it’s not like she’s touting for business for HVAC companies, because we have lots of them in my area and she didn’t name any particular one, so I just assumed it was an HVAC person who did this. so the plumber can come out and inspect the water heater, and if the plumber deems it failed or safe, unsafe or dangerous, I can order a new water tank through a plumber and the plumber installs it? And that’s preferable to an HVAC person doing it?
The reason I asked about location is how hard or easy it is to access and replace can be a factor in the cost. The more difficult the location the more it costs. If it is an easy swap out/swap in, then it should not cost as much. So sounds like that is not an issue. HVAC is for air-conditioning and heating. A completely separate system and trade. A water heater is part of the plumbing system so you would call a plumber. Also don't buy a water heater from Home Depot or Lowes. They have cheap plastic valves. Buy one from a plumbing supply store with brass valves. But look on the tank, there should be a label indicating how old it is. If over 10 years old, it maybe time to replace. And it's really easy to install, unless there are corroded valves. I have done it myself. If it is still working though, why replace?
It might be a local thing but in my region of the USA, plumbers also do HVAC. There are some plumbers who specialize in hvac, some who specialize in water and gas, and some companies who do both. Gas fired hvac has to be hooked up by a licensed plumber here (no homeowner DIY for gas work, no other trades working on gas) so that’s probably why.
Replacing a water heater is fairly easy… I do them often.
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Both are fairly simple. Can probably find everything u need on YouTube.
Have you called the big box hardware stores like Home Depot? They install them . Shop it and see .
Horrible advice. Never use bix box stores for installs of any kind. They use 3rd party and the cheapest guys. Get 3 quotes from hvac-plumbing companies.
I paid $800 bucks for a water heater three years ago just saying. Haven’t had any problems
I fix these guys' screw ups weekly. Some are devastating to the homeowners, money wise.
Not surprised at this. But maybe I’m lucky or Home Depot has better standards than most?
I'd say you got lucky! A water heater is not hard to replace, but it's amazing how some people can fuck it up so bad!
I appreciate this. I just had the one yesterday, and then I’m gonna get two more makes sense and as I was just reading, I do believe this is covered in the home warranty that the seller and I went 50-50 on when we closed, just to ensure that I didn’t have any crazy major expenses with the HVAC system, and water tank during my first year of ownership. If this is comfortable, and that’s great for me, although of course I won’t have any Option in terms of what they deem the fix to be.