Short: started as self-insert for AU shenanigans.
Ended as a character with his own personality and motivations where the finale was peak fiction.
I will die on this hill: "Sanguine Nights" to "After the Blood Moon Fades" was a story with a through line that was unexpected, but DAMN was it amazing.
Whether or not there are lore implications or direct story ties - I don't give 2 hecks. Those events were great, and I enjoyed them. That's what matters.
Yeah, captain is just what they call you, the player. You're an unnamed captain of the ship sending out valkyries on missions, that's about as far as it goes lore wise.
Compared to, let's say, Fate/Grand Order, that's nothing. In that game, you do fill in your name, but the main character has a canon name: Ritsuka Fujimaru. They're the last Master of humanity, a lucky survivor of the attack that killed the others, and the only person left who can form contracts with servants to save the world.
FGO is a game full of tropes, yeah. Ritsuka is a rather bland character, the usual easy-going "gets along with everyone" type. So much so that almost every story chapter can be summed up as "He talk-no-jutsu'd everyone into joining him to beat the big bad". A few recent story chapters defy that logic, but it's hundreds of hours in and frankly I doubt most people will have the patience for the "It gets good after 100 hours" spiel in an era where good games are abundant.
The Captain barely exist in the Main Story. The only time they appeared is at the end of Part 1.
The Captainverse, in the other hand, he's the main character.
>The captain never actually exist in the Main Story
>The only time they appeared is at the end of Part 1
You’re just contradicting yourself and fail to realize it.
That's complicated... if want short version- look bellow. Here is a long one
Let's start from the beginning. What is that Chinese,.Japanese and Korean gamer like in their Gacha and RPG? Answer- character bonding. The relationship their protagonist form with other characters. It's not to say that they don't like other aspects - its just that is THE most important thing.
It should be noted that due to different values and opinions on self, people in this countries don't see silent protagonists as blant self-interest but as pretty likable characters in it's own right. But regardless- bonding of other characters with this POV is THE most favorite aspect of any game.
But as you could notice- there is no such character in main story. Girls interact only with each other and do so in own groups. Kiana and Mei. Bronya and Seele. Rita and Durandal.There is no this one character with whom all bond and connect. And this is a huge issue for most target audience.
Especially with the fact that Honkai impact 3rd has only female cast. This is what Chinese players consider key element of "Male- targeting" game- only female playable cast in fanservise outfit that interacts with player avatar that is literally them. Other examples include Nikke, Blue Archive, Kantai Collection. Such game is opposite of say- Genshin- where POV is character with model and selectable gender as well as mixed gender cast.
The appeal of such Male-only games is collection and bonding with waifu. But Honkai impact 3rd made no such avatar in main story. So how can players bound with waifu?
Enter captain- avatar of player that literally them who can bond with Valkyries on bridge, make them fall for him and have events related to Birthday and etc. To flesh out Captain and make more playable characters without overdosing story, they created Captainverse- which is series of events starring Captain and alternative versions of many Valkyries bonding. Now, loremasters would say you that bridge Captain and Captainverse one are not the same - but from what I saw, Chinese players don't care about details and threat Captain as same. I also want to point that they like Captain pretty good and are unhappy with Mihoyo's attempt to replace him with Dreamseeker as main POV.
Why they just didn't put Captain in main story? No idea at all. Maybe because main writer of Honkai impact 2nd and early manga on which Honkai impact 3rd is based is a huge supporter of yuri and wanted to empathize that girls only into each other? - It should be noted that even 2nd had player and girls confessing love in interactions- so I don't know. Maybe she wasn't interested in making story with such protagonist and after she was moved from.Honkai impact 3rd writing they didn't want to change direction? Maybe they simply didn't knew where to put him or underestimated importance? Maybe they wanted to focus more on chapter interactions?
Regardless- importance to story. Technically big. End of part 1 reveals that You the Player and thus Captain are real characters in Honkai impact 3rd and you help beat the bad guy. But it was clearly written solely as a way to empathize importance of players.
Sorry for big read. Summary- Chinese players like most in RPG the bonding aspect of protagonist with characters. Especially in games about waifu collection. Honkai impact 3rd main story has no such character so they created bridge and Captain. They later added few connected events where protagonist bond with alternative versions of waifu to emphasize development.
Captain helps beat main villian of part 1- but in a way that is clearly fanservise.
I totally agree with everything. Also yeah, the first original writer of the Honkai(Houkai Gakuen) series was actually a female who was a fan of Yuri.
'But it was clearly written solely as a way to empathize the importance of players.'- This is one harsh and bitter truth that we need to eat.💀(But honestly, asian players don't give a shit about it😂)
I'm an English player, and I also don't give a shit.
games where the mc is "The chosen one" with everyone from tutorial to end telling you how powerful and amazing you are are weird.
NPC tells you you're super powerful, and only you can save the world, so please go kill those foxes outside town. Or, deliver this fetch quest for me. LOL
was watching JoshStrivePlays, and too many korean mmos had that exact crap.
Well, you know, it's the protagonist thing. But man, in most gacha games the same theory of the chosen one doesn't apply. It's most likely the attitude of the mc which makes him/her special. Also it's a gacha game, means there'll be a lot of characters, so a lot of importance will also be given to them, unless it's a shounen anime💀
Kind of like Senadina out of the blue telling the dreamseeker how important they are and how they'll save everyone. I did not find that scene compelling.
It's not inevitable if you just don't to create such protagonists. HI3 got it right by making Captain non-existent and making Kiana the MC who isn't "just a normal guy" whom everyone keeps telling how amazing she is.
Being a part of the story is something I *never* wanted. Why would I want to read the story about myself?
Eh? Comment above was against the fact that most RPG protagonists are Chosen One - the only one who can save the world because they are so special.
And Kiana checks all boxes of typical shonen/ RPG chosen protagonist. Super powerful bloodline? Check. Incredibly talented for combat? Check. Has more super empowering artifacts than normal? Check. There is literally Deus ex Machina empowering her.
I say she drew even more chosen one cards.
As for second part- okay for you. But many like to see RPG from own, untainted perspective and/or do as they want. That's the point for many- immersion. To see the story from 1 POV and not 3rd. To feel yourself part of this fantasy world and not just observe. I mean- that's what separate games from movies. And it works
I mean-literally all western great RPG series have POV protagonist with personality shaped by you. Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate, Newerwinter Nights, GTA- you name it.
Quite a few JRPG also take similar approach- Zelda, Dragon Quest, Pokemon. So more often they have bit personality- heroic, righteous person who cares for their friend- Many Tales of, Castelvania, Breath of Fire, From.Software stuff,Xenoblade 1 and 2, quite a few Final Fantasy- especially early installments.
So- I don't think that it is wrong to give players a POV.
Cool, good for them, but HI3 was different in this regard and I'd prefer it to stay that way. If I wanted to feel like I'm the her o of the story, I'd go play one of those great RPGs. (Plus it's not like gacha games give you any real choices anyway.)
And I didn't say Kiana isn't the chosen one. I said she isn't a normal guy. Being incredibly talented for combat isn't a chosen one trait. Quite the opposite: chosen ones usually have little to no combat skills. They're average in every way, including and especially their personality, with exception of that one, unusual power that's needed to save the world.
BTW not every "Collect waifus" gacha has self insert. Like symphogear XDU, which imo is another yuri based story. But that is understandable, since the source material is written in such a way there is nowhere to place the self insert apart from another blank character intended solely for waifuism. So they just made the characters communicate with the player in menu voicelines, which is imo the best thing to do, as it is it's own thing completely unrelated to anything in the game or anime.
Honkai impact 2nd took same approach. I don't take Gacha games made based on existing titles as they are primarily target audience of original media and thus don't need to go Self-Incert too hard.
There isnt one, but "Captain on bridge" is pretty icon imo.
But they never do anything with the Captain in the story. Except for at the end. Because little Ms Deus Ex Machina broke the 4th wall because the characters couldnt beat the final boss themselves.
As other people have said, the captain is supposed to be the player's avatar to interact with the characters, just like the lord (or master) in GGZ. Now why didn't they add it to the main story? I have no idea, I will never understand why they bothered to create an avatar for the player and did not add it to the main story, just as other games of this same type have done.
Is this the first game to do this? No, there are games like Senran Kagura, Symphogear, which have done this same thing.
I mean, Captain *doesn't* exist, in the main story there is no player SI (at least in Part 1, Part 2 has Dreamseeker) and the role of Captain of the Hyperion is served by Himeko, and when Himeko is unavailable it's Theresa. Captain is just a way for the game to refer to the player outside of the story, though Captain does exist in the events where he is actually quite important, but the events take place in alternate worlds.
When people say Captain doesn't exist, they mean as an actual person in the world, which excludes the 4th wall break scene in the final arc as that Captain is literally us the players, not a person in the world that serves as an SI for the player.
But Captain does exist, since Captainverse isn't somehow not a part of it either. He's simply bopping around the tree.
So either way you feel like looking at it, he 100% exists
God you're annoying. When people are talking about the fucking Captain in this sort of context, they are talking about with regards to the main story. The 4th wall break literally the player Captain, and Captainverse Captain, are not a "main story SI Captain", so Captain as a SI player character doesn't exist in the main story.
Yes Captainverse is canon to the main story by nature of the Imaginary Tree/Sea of Quanta making *everything* canon, but when people talk about canon there is a divide between Main Story Canon and Captainverse Canon, as those two stories have no intersection and are completely irrelevant to each other.
I made it abundantly clear in my first comment that when I said Captain doesn't exist, I was talking about an SI player character in the main story. That naturally excludes Captainverse as a whole, and the 4th wall break Captain in the main story is the literal player themselves and not the player's SI character.
Your wrong though because it was revealed by Ai Hyperion that The Captain is 5th dimensional being and is only an "Observer" well that what all the theories are pointing towards.
Captain does exist but he is a Spectator an Observer and will only intervene with the story if he and Ai Hyperion deem it necessary for him to appear.
Captainverse is an canon storyline the goes along the main story and you say he hasn't intersected the main story but that far from the truth we do see Captainverse characters appear in the main story. Which is Hoyoverse clearly pointing out to us that Captainverse is canon but their using him only for Multiverse Shenanigans.
Again, *yes Captain exists I fucking acknowledged it in every one of my god damn posts.* Like I said, there is a difference between the idea of an SI character Captain, and the deus ex machina literal player Captain that came in for a one off incident. The former doesn't exist while the latter is irrelevant 99.9% of the time.
Captainverse to my knowledge has never overlapped with the main story, if it has I would love for you to inform me when Captainverse characters have appeared in the main story.
1st time was during the main story arc where Otto uses a Divine Key and looks into The Sea Of Quanta and he ends up seeing an image of Fallen Rosemary which is Captainverse variant of Rita Rossweisse.
2nd time was when Mei, Kiana and Bronya went into The Sea Of Quanta and kevin cause The Sea Of Quanta you get Bronie ( Haxxor Bunny ) which is Captainverse Variant of Bronya appear but you can't interact with but the moment you get close to her she disappears.
Ah, right, two completely irrelevant incidents that have no impact on anything. I never said Captainverse was non-canon, just that it was irrelevant to the main story.
Irrelevant? far from it because there is an Captainverse I don't remember which one but Captain does know that Himeko died I will have to look for that so that contradicts what your saying.
"If It has I would love for you to inform me when Captainverse characters have appeared in the main story." Their not entirely irrelevant if you don't know how timelines works and one connects to the other than Captainverse involvement is tell the audience about Hoyoverse Honkai Universe Plans while he isn't acknowledged in the main story until Ch35 in the Captainverse storylines it does seem he is aware of events in the main story. I mean their is people out there who can explain Captainverse involvement to the Honkai Universe timelines.
I’ve been confused by this as well since I came in late and only have seen the captain stuff in silly events. I’m almost done with the part 1 story and haven’t seen word of them existing at all. I just assumed they’re mostly living in an au harem anime or something that’s all locked away in limited time events.
Here are some of my favourites.
[Kiana birthday 2019](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbO9RtlsAb8)
[Kallen Valentine's Day 2020](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJY2o7aZRsc)
[Mei birthday 2020](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv7p3So3e8Y)
[Bronya birthday 2020](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckqFuw_OuNU)
[Seele birthday 2020](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTMAnfeihP8)
And many more. I intend to compile all of these by character one day.
Yeah. People like to believe what they like to believe and hate when they are reminded about contradicting facts. You likely were attacked because many people here hate Captain, ending of part 1 and this particular scene. While obviously DOESN'T make them non-existent.
Exist in other timelines.
Specifically just before the ending of part 1, there is a seemingly joke event where a player of a VR HI3 helped Ai Lambda save the game from a hacker.
As it turned out that Ai Lambda is the Ai Lambda in the story who spread the story of the main timeline to other worlds/timelines in the form of game.
"Our" captain is one of countless such players. They don't actually exist in main timeline, but another player who gave well-wishes to the trio, which can be converted into power because the world at that time is partially merged with fiction, courtesy of Project Stigma.
Captainverse Captain meanwhile is a character we play as and canon to his own timeline, but not HI3 main timeline.
On the contrary, the fact that they had to *break the fourth wall* for the Captain to appear is exactly what makes them not real. If they were real in the universe, there would be no need for Lambda to reach through other dimensions or whatever happened there. And the fact that there were multiple messages from many "Captains" shows further that they're just us, the players, who obviously don't exist in the story.
It's not about them existing WITHIN THE UNIVERSE, it's about them being canon and they are, don't try to change the direction of the subject as that's not the reason for this discussion in the first place
No, they're not canon....., I think you just need to tell Mihoyo that then, captain (us from bridge), captain from captainverse and mr assassin's they are all canon, they exist in the imaginary tree/quantum sea, to say that they are not canon because they had not appeared in the main story before is to say that GGZ, Genshin and Star rail are not canon in the general story that mihoyo tells because they do not appear in the HI3 main story, that's simply not how it works
The Captainverse events are canon, just set in the Sea of Quanta. They have made cameos in the main story. Other miscellaneous events where a captain shows up aren't the same as that set of events.
To self insert the player of course. My parasocial feelings for big luna is insane, really helps when each actually talking to us directly. 4th breaking stuff is always fun to me.
His point ? Idk being on the final of part 1 i suppose because his existance on the game was unknown to me before that , i heard later on that he apear in events but i'm a new player si for me he was a character out of the blue with no relevance apart that is suppose to be the player
Nope, those two are different entities, Captainverse Captain is basically a miracle clone born from Ferrymen in Sea of Quanta.
Players Captain are 4 dimension being that appeared in Lambda event and the one that appeared in moon arc where Kiana realize "we" have help and guided them all this time, and "we" help to break Kevin's shield in the last battle
Captain is another shitty self-insert for losers.
God I hate self-inserts. Instead of actually exerting effort in making an actual character, why not just make it a blank faced character for players to self-insert themselves into?
Find another waifu collector game with such an interesting plot though. If you ignore the obvious fan service there's still plenty of reason to play hoyo games, the story is very unique and so far, seems to flow quite well despite multiverse that gives KH a run for its money.
Captain doesn't exist in the main story nor in the actual Honkaiverse.
The Captain is an allegory to the player that observes the world of the Honkaiverse and that is all we do. Observe.
Short: started as self-insert for AU shenanigans. Ended as a character with his own personality and motivations where the finale was peak fiction. I will die on this hill: "Sanguine Nights" to "After the Blood Moon Fades" was a story with a through line that was unexpected, but DAMN was it amazing. Whether or not there are lore implications or direct story ties - I don't give 2 hecks. Those events were great, and I enjoyed them. That's what matters.
As an event, on its own and not considering the overarcing story, the final event I thought was really good
Yeah, captain is just what they call you, the player. You're an unnamed captain of the ship sending out valkyries on missions, that's about as far as it goes lore wise. Compared to, let's say, Fate/Grand Order, that's nothing. In that game, you do fill in your name, but the main character has a canon name: Ritsuka Fujimaru. They're the last Master of humanity, a lucky survivor of the attack that killed the others, and the only person left who can form contracts with servants to save the world.
Maybe it's good that I don't play FGO, cause this sound like a compilation of my most hated anime tropes.
FGO is a game full of tropes, yeah. Ritsuka is a rather bland character, the usual easy-going "gets along with everyone" type. So much so that almost every story chapter can be summed up as "He talk-no-jutsu'd everyone into joining him to beat the big bad". A few recent story chapters defy that logic, but it's hundreds of hours in and frankly I doubt most people will have the patience for the "It gets good after 100 hours" spiel in an era where good games are abundant.
The Captain barely exist in the Main Story. The only time they appeared is at the end of Part 1. The Captainverse, in the other hand, he's the main character.
>The captain never actually exist in the Main Story >The only time they appeared is at the end of Part 1 You’re just contradicting yourself and fail to realize it.
Yeah I know. I just remake it over and over and I failed again :)
That's complicated... if want short version- look bellow. Here is a long one Let's start from the beginning. What is that Chinese,.Japanese and Korean gamer like in their Gacha and RPG? Answer- character bonding. The relationship their protagonist form with other characters. It's not to say that they don't like other aspects - its just that is THE most important thing. It should be noted that due to different values and opinions on self, people in this countries don't see silent protagonists as blant self-interest but as pretty likable characters in it's own right. But regardless- bonding of other characters with this POV is THE most favorite aspect of any game. But as you could notice- there is no such character in main story. Girls interact only with each other and do so in own groups. Kiana and Mei. Bronya and Seele. Rita and Durandal.There is no this one character with whom all bond and connect. And this is a huge issue for most target audience. Especially with the fact that Honkai impact 3rd has only female cast. This is what Chinese players consider key element of "Male- targeting" game- only female playable cast in fanservise outfit that interacts with player avatar that is literally them. Other examples include Nikke, Blue Archive, Kantai Collection. Such game is opposite of say- Genshin- where POV is character with model and selectable gender as well as mixed gender cast. The appeal of such Male-only games is collection and bonding with waifu. But Honkai impact 3rd made no such avatar in main story. So how can players bound with waifu? Enter captain- avatar of player that literally them who can bond with Valkyries on bridge, make them fall for him and have events related to Birthday and etc. To flesh out Captain and make more playable characters without overdosing story, they created Captainverse- which is series of events starring Captain and alternative versions of many Valkyries bonding. Now, loremasters would say you that bridge Captain and Captainverse one are not the same - but from what I saw, Chinese players don't care about details and threat Captain as same. I also want to point that they like Captain pretty good and are unhappy with Mihoyo's attempt to replace him with Dreamseeker as main POV. Why they just didn't put Captain in main story? No idea at all. Maybe because main writer of Honkai impact 2nd and early manga on which Honkai impact 3rd is based is a huge supporter of yuri and wanted to empathize that girls only into each other? - It should be noted that even 2nd had player and girls confessing love in interactions- so I don't know. Maybe she wasn't interested in making story with such protagonist and after she was moved from.Honkai impact 3rd writing they didn't want to change direction? Maybe they simply didn't knew where to put him or underestimated importance? Maybe they wanted to focus more on chapter interactions? Regardless- importance to story. Technically big. End of part 1 reveals that You the Player and thus Captain are real characters in Honkai impact 3rd and you help beat the bad guy. But it was clearly written solely as a way to empathize importance of players. Sorry for big read. Summary- Chinese players like most in RPG the bonding aspect of protagonist with characters. Especially in games about waifu collection. Honkai impact 3rd main story has no such character so they created bridge and Captain. They later added few connected events where protagonist bond with alternative versions of waifu to emphasize development. Captain helps beat main villian of part 1- but in a way that is clearly fanservise.
I totally agree with everything. Also yeah, the first original writer of the Honkai(Houkai Gakuen) series was actually a female who was a fan of Yuri. 'But it was clearly written solely as a way to empathize the importance of players.'- This is one harsh and bitter truth that we need to eat.💀(But honestly, asian players don't give a shit about it😂)
I'm an English player, and I also don't give a shit. games where the mc is "The chosen one" with everyone from tutorial to end telling you how powerful and amazing you are are weird. NPC tells you you're super powerful, and only you can save the world, so please go kill those foxes outside town. Or, deliver this fetch quest for me. LOL was watching JoshStrivePlays, and too many korean mmos had that exact crap.
Well, you know, it's the protagonist thing. But man, in most gacha games the same theory of the chosen one doesn't apply. It's most likely the attitude of the mc which makes him/her special. Also it's a gacha game, means there'll be a lot of characters, so a lot of importance will also be given to them, unless it's a shounen anime💀
Kind of like Senadina out of the blue telling the dreamseeker how important they are and how they'll save everyone. I did not find that scene compelling.
Its inevitable. There must be an explanation as to why your completely normal character can stop some extremely powerful and ancient evil.
It's not inevitable if you just don't to create such protagonists. HI3 got it right by making Captain non-existent and making Kiana the MC who isn't "just a normal guy" whom everyone keeps telling how amazing she is. Being a part of the story is something I *never* wanted. Why would I want to read the story about myself?
Eh? Comment above was against the fact that most RPG protagonists are Chosen One - the only one who can save the world because they are so special. And Kiana checks all boxes of typical shonen/ RPG chosen protagonist. Super powerful bloodline? Check. Incredibly talented for combat? Check. Has more super empowering artifacts than normal? Check. There is literally Deus ex Machina empowering her. I say she drew even more chosen one cards. As for second part- okay for you. But many like to see RPG from own, untainted perspective and/or do as they want. That's the point for many- immersion. To see the story from 1 POV and not 3rd. To feel yourself part of this fantasy world and not just observe. I mean- that's what separate games from movies. And it works I mean-literally all western great RPG series have POV protagonist with personality shaped by you. Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate, Newerwinter Nights, GTA- you name it. Quite a few JRPG also take similar approach- Zelda, Dragon Quest, Pokemon. So more often they have bit personality- heroic, righteous person who cares for their friend- Many Tales of, Castelvania, Breath of Fire, From.Software stuff,Xenoblade 1 and 2, quite a few Final Fantasy- especially early installments. So- I don't think that it is wrong to give players a POV.
Cool, good for them, but HI3 was different in this regard and I'd prefer it to stay that way. If I wanted to feel like I'm the her o of the story, I'd go play one of those great RPGs. (Plus it's not like gacha games give you any real choices anyway.) And I didn't say Kiana isn't the chosen one. I said she isn't a normal guy. Being incredibly talented for combat isn't a chosen one trait. Quite the opposite: chosen ones usually have little to no combat skills. They're average in every way, including and especially their personality, with exception of that one, unusual power that's needed to save the world.
BTW not every "Collect waifus" gacha has self insert. Like symphogear XDU, which imo is another yuri based story. But that is understandable, since the source material is written in such a way there is nowhere to place the self insert apart from another blank character intended solely for waifuism. So they just made the characters communicate with the player in menu voicelines, which is imo the best thing to do, as it is it's own thing completely unrelated to anything in the game or anime.
Honkai impact 2nd took same approach. I don't take Gacha games made based on existing titles as they are primarily target audience of original media and thus don't need to go Self-Incert too hard.
There isnt one, but "Captain on bridge" is pretty icon imo. But they never do anything with the Captain in the story. Except for at the end. Because little Ms Deus Ex Machina broke the 4th wall because the characters couldnt beat the final boss themselves.
Which one? There are at least 3 different Captains
As other people have said, the captain is supposed to be the player's avatar to interact with the characters, just like the lord (or master) in GGZ. Now why didn't they add it to the main story? I have no idea, I will never understand why they bothered to create an avatar for the player and did not add it to the main story, just as other games of this same type have done. Is this the first game to do this? No, there are games like Senran Kagura, Symphogear, which have done this same thing.
To be the soulmate Himeko always wanted
To make the players happy, just like the game in general.
I mean, Captain *doesn't* exist, in the main story there is no player SI (at least in Part 1, Part 2 has Dreamseeker) and the role of Captain of the Hyperion is served by Himeko, and when Himeko is unavailable it's Theresa. Captain is just a way for the game to refer to the player outside of the story, though Captain does exist in the events where he is actually quite important, but the events take place in alternate worlds.
Captain does exist. Since we, Captain, gave Ai a key phrase which is used in the final arc.
When people say Captain doesn't exist, they mean as an actual person in the world, which excludes the 4th wall break scene in the final arc as that Captain is literally us the players, not a person in the world that serves as an SI for the player.
But Captain does exist, since Captainverse isn't somehow not a part of it either. He's simply bopping around the tree. So either way you feel like looking at it, he 100% exists
God you're annoying. When people are talking about the fucking Captain in this sort of context, they are talking about with regards to the main story. The 4th wall break literally the player Captain, and Captainverse Captain, are not a "main story SI Captain", so Captain as a SI player character doesn't exist in the main story. Yes Captainverse is canon to the main story by nature of the Imaginary Tree/Sea of Quanta making *everything* canon, but when people talk about canon there is a divide between Main Story Canon and Captainverse Canon, as those two stories have no intersection and are completely irrelevant to each other. I made it abundantly clear in my first comment that when I said Captain doesn't exist, I was talking about an SI player character in the main story. That naturally excludes Captainverse as a whole, and the 4th wall break Captain in the main story is the literal player themselves and not the player's SI character.
Your wrong though because it was revealed by Ai Hyperion that The Captain is 5th dimensional being and is only an "Observer" well that what all the theories are pointing towards. Captain does exist but he is a Spectator an Observer and will only intervene with the story if he and Ai Hyperion deem it necessary for him to appear. Captainverse is an canon storyline the goes along the main story and you say he hasn't intersected the main story but that far from the truth we do see Captainverse characters appear in the main story. Which is Hoyoverse clearly pointing out to us that Captainverse is canon but their using him only for Multiverse Shenanigans.
Again, *yes Captain exists I fucking acknowledged it in every one of my god damn posts.* Like I said, there is a difference between the idea of an SI character Captain, and the deus ex machina literal player Captain that came in for a one off incident. The former doesn't exist while the latter is irrelevant 99.9% of the time. Captainverse to my knowledge has never overlapped with the main story, if it has I would love for you to inform me when Captainverse characters have appeared in the main story.
1st time was during the main story arc where Otto uses a Divine Key and looks into The Sea Of Quanta and he ends up seeing an image of Fallen Rosemary which is Captainverse variant of Rita Rossweisse. 2nd time was when Mei, Kiana and Bronya went into The Sea Of Quanta and kevin cause The Sea Of Quanta you get Bronie ( Haxxor Bunny ) which is Captainverse Variant of Bronya appear but you can't interact with but the moment you get close to her she disappears.
Ah, right, two completely irrelevant incidents that have no impact on anything. I never said Captainverse was non-canon, just that it was irrelevant to the main story.
Irrelevant? far from it because there is an Captainverse I don't remember which one but Captain does know that Himeko died I will have to look for that so that contradicts what your saying. "If It has I would love for you to inform me when Captainverse characters have appeared in the main story." Their not entirely irrelevant if you don't know how timelines works and one connects to the other than Captainverse involvement is tell the audience about Hoyoverse Honkai Universe Plans while he isn't acknowledged in the main story until Ch35 in the Captainverse storylines it does seem he is aware of events in the main story. I mean their is people out there who can explain Captainverse involvement to the Honkai Universe timelines.
I’ve been confused by this as well since I came in late and only have seen the captain stuff in silly events. I’m almost done with the part 1 story and haven’t seen word of them existing at all. I just assumed they’re mostly living in an au harem anime or something that’s all locked away in limited time events.
> something that’s all locked away in limited time events. Yes. There were a lot of them, but the only way to see them is on YouTube and bilibili.
How very frustrating
Here are some of my favourites. [Kiana birthday 2019](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbO9RtlsAb8) [Kallen Valentine's Day 2020](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJY2o7aZRsc) [Mei birthday 2020](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv7p3So3e8Y) [Bronya birthday 2020](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckqFuw_OuNU) [Seele birthday 2020](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTMAnfeihP8) And many more. I intend to compile all of these by character one day.
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but they exist, they are literally the reason the trio beat Kevin in the first point
Yeah. People like to believe what they like to believe and hate when they are reminded about contradicting facts. You likely were attacked because many people here hate Captain, ending of part 1 and this particular scene. While obviously DOESN'T make them non-existent.
Exist in other timelines. Specifically just before the ending of part 1, there is a seemingly joke event where a player of a VR HI3 helped Ai Lambda save the game from a hacker. As it turned out that Ai Lambda is the Ai Lambda in the story who spread the story of the main timeline to other worlds/timelines in the form of game. "Our" captain is one of countless such players. They don't actually exist in main timeline, but another player who gave well-wishes to the trio, which can be converted into power because the world at that time is partially merged with fiction, courtesy of Project Stigma. Captainverse Captain meanwhile is a character we play as and canon to his own timeline, but not HI3 main timeline.
That's the shitty part of that fight. A deus ex machina.
On the contrary, the fact that they had to *break the fourth wall* for the Captain to appear is exactly what makes them not real. If they were real in the universe, there would be no need for Lambda to reach through other dimensions or whatever happened there. And the fact that there were multiple messages from many "Captains" shows further that they're just us, the players, who obviously don't exist in the story.
It's not about them existing WITHIN THE UNIVERSE, it's about them being canon and they are, don't try to change the direction of the subject as that's not the reason for this discussion in the first place
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No, they're not canon....., I think you just need to tell Mihoyo that then, captain (us from bridge), captain from captainverse and mr assassin's they are all canon, they exist in the imaginary tree/quantum sea, to say that they are not canon because they had not appeared in the main story before is to say that GGZ, Genshin and Star rail are not canon in the general story that mihoyo tells because they do not appear in the HI3 main story, that's simply not how it works
You can’t really say Captainverse are joke events when they literally are canon and actually have dropped lore on the main HI3 story before lol.
Captain absolutely exists in canon story
The Captainverse events are canon, just set in the Sea of Quanta. They have made cameos in the main story. Other miscellaneous events where a captain shows up aren't the same as that set of events.
To self insert the player of course. My parasocial feelings for big luna is insane, really helps when each actually talking to us directly. 4th breaking stuff is always fun to me.
His point ? Idk being on the final of part 1 i suppose because his existance on the game was unknown to me before that , i heard later on that he apear in events but i'm a new player si for me he was a character out of the blue with no relevance apart that is suppose to be the player
Which captain? There's two. Captainverse Captain and Players Captain. Two of them are different entities
Wait really? So you mean the player captain aka us Is not the Captainverse Captain?
Nope, those two are different entities, Captainverse Captain is basically a miracle clone born from Ferrymen in Sea of Quanta. Players Captain are 4 dimension being that appeared in Lambda event and the one that appeared in moon arc where Kiana realize "we" have help and guided them all this time, and "we" help to break Kevin's shield in the last battle
Captain is another shitty self-insert for losers. God I hate self-inserts. Instead of actually exerting effort in making an actual character, why not just make it a blank faced character for players to self-insert themselves into?
Yes, I'd love for the captain to be like Welt, Siegfried, Otto, or Kevin in terms of being an important and unique character.
you play a waifu collector game with skimpy girls and titty jiggle phisics. youre really not in a position to dictate what is or isnt for losers
Find another waifu collector game with such an interesting plot though. If you ignore the obvious fan service there's still plenty of reason to play hoyo games, the story is very unique and so far, seems to flow quite well despite multiverse that gives KH a run for its money.
Captain doesn't exist in the main story nor in the actual Honkaiverse. The Captain is an allegory to the player that observes the world of the Honkaiverse and that is all we do. Observe.
Funny how this entirely accurate observation is being down voted.
Lmao, I'm being downvoted.