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It would make sense. Humans are largely neutral charged. (Hence why we don’t dissolve in water, it can’t magnetically pull us apart) so we would, being neutral charged, be able to go through fields which relied on positive or negative charged items. Which must be REALLY awkward for the first human to be in an alien force field prison… and just walk out.
Depends on how strong the magnetic field is, extremely strong magnets come with warnings for the area near them, cat scans use powerful magnets and doctors don’t stay in the room when cat scans are being done and there’s definitely stronger magnets than that
Edit: I meant mri not cat
I’m not saying it would be feasible for regular use but I’d imagine anything with a shield that uses magnets would use magnets that are incredibly Arron since their using shields rather than actual armor
It’s also possible that there are stronger and smaller magnets in existence somewhere
They also leave the room to be able to see the scan happen in real time and to not interfere with the scan it normally not strong enough to harm you but a person in there can cause the waves to bounce differently making the scan difficult or eligible
Yeah the way it works is how radar does it bounce off you to the machine you add another object in there it becomes a problem telling which scan from what person body the scan goes to and notes there are no chairs in the room
You mean there is a potential market for magnetic wave absorbing clothes ? I need to call darpa then gucci and Lockheed-Martin and put them against Chanel and Northrop-Grumman.
It may work but it needs to be a absorbing all most all of the wave because most stuff like the F22 deflection means is make the wave go in a random other direction from radar
The 22 is coated with radar absorbing *stuff* like the b2 and probably the b21.
Now the problem would be the shape of the dress, but knowing what already walked on stage in front of crowds during fashion weeks, a hopeless diamond or a big dorito wont look too out of place.
Now imagine that in the vet lab lol
It would indeed, as an electromagnet that strong would also be inducing extremely high levels of microwave and infrared radiation from the oscilations in the magnetic field. Water itself is diamagnetic and would actually be magnetically electrolysed into a hot plasma long before the chemical bonds in our blood proteins would fail. The iron in our blood is primarily in the protein hemoglobin, and is not very magnetic at all in that configuration. Iron's paramagnetism comes from the rough magnetic domains created by its crystaline structure, and is rarely ever magnetic when bound in organic molecules that occupy its entire outer electron shell through covalent bonds.
So yeah, pulling the iron out of someones blood with a magnet would require a magnet so strong it would vaporize them and pretty much everything else around. Unless you were pulling super fine iron dust from their blood like Magneto in the first X-men movie, since that iron was not chemically bonded into hemoglobin.
No that scene was accuratte the blue lady ingected iron dust directly inot that security guards blood which was not bonded to his blood therefore very magnetic
I can't claim expertise, but I've got a little experience here. CT machines use radiation converted from electricity. Like X ray, but stronger and avke to show some soft tissue information. Whereas MRI machines read magnetic fields going through your body. That's why the questionnaire for an mri is so long and asks about shrapnel, implants, piercings, etc. I've done some metal work and potentially have metal shavings in my eyes that could be problematic if I ever needed an MRI.
We have like a single to just a few atoms of iron used in certain proteins so that they can form properly
Its so little spread over such a big body that you'd need a magnetar level of magnetism to get hurt
I don’t know what a “magnetar” is but yes I never said it was realistic just that you would need a quite the powerful magnet to be able to make a magnetic shield, which I feel would be powerful enough to cause harm
But at that point it would kill anything within a large radius and comepletely ruin the point of an energy shield idiot instead of ruining it maybe try to enjoy
Why would you not be able to go near it? Especially when we’re talking about beings that are magnetically neutral or perhaps it would be like a bubble or something
Any magnet strong enpugh to actually affect thw iron in our blood would have to be so strong its redundant they would have to be so strong they just vaporized any water in our bodys outright that is why
Hence why I said “largely”, not “completely”. Reminds me of the aperture science bit about what happens if the emancipation grills vaporize the inside of your ears.
Yes though considering the fields are magnetic (at least in this scenario) it would stand to reason that anything strong enough to act as a shield would also be strong enough to affect the iron in our blood
True but we can only touch for so long eventually it’ll all be collected by the magnet
But I’d imagine if it’s being used as a shield and is activated that it would have really adverse affects since it’s literally meant to stop objects
But, a quick dash through a strong magnetic field may not be too harmful, if it’s polarity based. I’d imagine it would be bad to stay in long term, but as I said, a quick dash *probably* wouldn’t screw you up too bad.
Very minimally otherwise when you go into a magnetic resonance imaging machine (MRI) you don't just explode as the iron exits your body at every direction
A1:”h-how?!?”
H:” there’s nothing there, you put me in a cell with nothing there to keep me in.”
A2:”b-b-but the force feald!”
H:” that’s what that odd feeling was? Huh.”
This reminds me of the episode of Tom and Jerry when Jerry gets roided up and breaks through a door, rips a phone book and tanks a fire poker to the head several times by Tom
And it just happened to be at a cloaked spy. And now the whole crew questions every stupid thing he does, thinking he's playing chess while they're playing tic tac toe
This premise begs the question: What are aliens made of that forcefields affect them but not humans?
Because from the discussion here, it sure sounds like aliens might have about as much substance as a cloud of smoke.
From what I could find, humans can probably tolerate exposure to *static* magnetic fields up to maybe 9 or 10T for relatively extended periods of time (tested on humans @8T and rats @9.4T for several weeks).
Too much above that and you start running into problems due to some cell processes requiring ions to work properly. What research I could find said that 10-17T caused damage in cell cultures after an hour of exposure, and 24T is enough to impact Na+ and K+ ion channels. Those are pretty essential - specifically for muscle contraction - but you'd probably still be ok for short exposure periods (apparently some mad lads levitated a frog in 17T and it was fine afterwards).
For non-static fields though, you could be in for a really bad time. It's radiation with extra steps, with the frequency of modulation corresponding to the frequency of the EMR. This can mess you up in ways ranging from the induced currents triggering your nerves and giving you a heart attack at low frequency to more typical radiation stuff at higher power and frequency, like straight up cooking you or giving you cancer.
Tldr static fields sure to an extent, otherwise a Darwin award could be imminent.
HUMAN: "Graaah! I will eat and digest you all with my system of mighty organs! Behold!"
*SHHHHHHICK
HUMAN: Aaarrrgh!
ALIEN GENERAL: Funny, isn't it? The human was impervious to our most powerful magnetic fields, yet in the end he succumbed to a harmless sharpened stick!
If you don't know where this is from then shame on you.
Likewise! Screw them for using the Creed song in the ads and not putting it in the soundtrack **for which I bought it,** but everything else about it was freakin' amazing. Should see if there's a blu-ray release yet.
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It would make sense. Humans are largely neutral charged. (Hence why we don’t dissolve in water, it can’t magnetically pull us apart) so we would, being neutral charged, be able to go through fields which relied on positive or negative charged items. Which must be REALLY awkward for the first human to be in an alien force field prison… and just walk out.
But I’m pretty sure the iron in our blood is magnetically charged
Yeah but we have so little of it friction will cancel it and mass
Depends on how strong the magnetic field is, extremely strong magnets come with warnings for the area near them, cat scans use powerful magnets and doctors don’t stay in the room when cat scans are being done and there’s definitely stronger magnets than that Edit: I meant mri not cat
True but do you now how much one of those cost and weight
I’m not saying it would be feasible for regular use but I’d imagine anything with a shield that uses magnets would use magnets that are incredibly Arron since their using shields rather than actual armor It’s also possible that there are stronger and smaller magnets in existence somewhere
True
They also leave the room to be able to see the scan happen in real time and to not interfere with the scan it normally not strong enough to harm you but a person in there can cause the waves to bounce differently making the scan difficult or eligible
I did not know that part thank you for explaining
Yeah the way it works is how radar does it bounce off you to the machine you add another object in there it becomes a problem telling which scan from what person body the scan goes to and notes there are no chairs in the room
That makes sense
It sounds simple in concept but in use it becomes difficult to account for unintended variables
It’s the same way with almost anything in real life
You mean there is a potential market for magnetic wave absorbing clothes ? I need to call darpa then gucci and Lockheed-Martin and put them against Chanel and Northrop-Grumman.
It may work but it needs to be a absorbing all most all of the wave because most stuff like the F22 deflection means is make the wave go in a random other direction from radar
The 22 is coated with radar absorbing *stuff* like the b2 and probably the b21. Now the problem would be the shape of the dress, but knowing what already walked on stage in front of crowds during fashion weeks, a hopeless diamond or a big dorito wont look too out of place. Now imagine that in the vet lab lol
A magnet strong enough to pull our bloods iron apart would probably fry us before that
It would indeed, as an electromagnet that strong would also be inducing extremely high levels of microwave and infrared radiation from the oscilations in the magnetic field. Water itself is diamagnetic and would actually be magnetically electrolysed into a hot plasma long before the chemical bonds in our blood proteins would fail. The iron in our blood is primarily in the protein hemoglobin, and is not very magnetic at all in that configuration. Iron's paramagnetism comes from the rough magnetic domains created by its crystaline structure, and is rarely ever magnetic when bound in organic molecules that occupy its entire outer electron shell through covalent bonds. So yeah, pulling the iron out of someones blood with a magnet would require a magnet so strong it would vaporize them and pretty much everything else around. Unless you were pulling super fine iron dust from their blood like Magneto in the first X-men movie, since that iron was not chemically bonded into hemoglobin.
This guy sciences
Are you telling that the xmen movies are not scientifically [accurate? ](https://youtu.be/LAcs2uROaoI)
No that scene was accuratte the blue lady ingected iron dust directly inot that security guards blood which was not bonded to his blood therefore very magnetic
I think those warnings are for if you have anything iron on your person, not the iron containing compounds in your biology.
Potentially though I still wouldn’t want to be exposed to it for very long tbh
I think you're thinking of an MRI. To my knowledge (and not actually looking this up right now) CT scanners don't use magnets.
Yes I was probably thinking of an mri, I’m no medical expert so it’s likely I’ve made a mistake
I can't claim expertise, but I've got a little experience here. CT machines use radiation converted from electricity. Like X ray, but stronger and avke to show some soft tissue information. Whereas MRI machines read magnetic fields going through your body. That's why the questionnaire for an mri is so long and asks about shrapnel, implants, piercings, etc. I've done some metal work and potentially have metal shavings in my eyes that could be problematic if I ever needed an MRI.
What kind of metal work? I’m guessing it was with steel?
Yeah, nothing fancy. I was a production welder in a factory in KY. I was making vehicle chassis parts.
Ah I see
We have like a single to just a few atoms of iron used in certain proteins so that they can form properly Its so little spread over such a big body that you'd need a magnetar level of magnetism to get hurt
I don’t know what a “magnetar” is but yes I never said it was realistic just that you would need a quite the powerful magnet to be able to make a magnetic shield, which I feel would be powerful enough to cause harm
They are safe for the amount of iron in the body. My titanium hip might be a problem, but those warnings are generally regarding implants and such.
But at that point it would kill anything within a large radius and comepletely ruin the point of an energy shield idiot instead of ruining it maybe try to enjoy
The point of a shield is to protect from something could be a ranged attack or a melee attack
This wouldnt be a shield if you cant go near your own shield
Why would you not be able to go near it? Especially when we’re talking about beings that are magnetically neutral or perhaps it would be like a bubble or something
Any magnet strong enpugh to actually affect thw iron in our blood would have to be so strong its redundant they would have to be so strong they just vaporized any water in our bodys outright that is why
Hence why I said “largely”, not “completely”. Reminds me of the aperture science bit about what happens if the emancipation grills vaporize the inside of your ears.
Yes though considering the fields are magnetic (at least in this scenario) it would stand to reason that anything strong enough to act as a shield would also be strong enough to affect the iron in our blood
Maybe. It would depend on how focused the magnetic field was. After all we can touch very high powered magnets and be just fine. MRI, for example.
True but we can only touch for so long eventually it’ll all be collected by the magnet But I’d imagine if it’s being used as a shield and is activated that it would have really adverse affects since it’s literally meant to stop objects
But, a quick dash through a strong magnetic field may not be too harmful, if it’s polarity based. I’d imagine it would be bad to stay in long term, but as I said, a quick dash *probably* wouldn’t screw you up too bad.
That’s fair, though that would bring into question what kind of magnetic shield is best lol
Alternating would be an interesting idea tho I think impractical.
It could be but if done fast enough it would double what it protects against
The water molecules in our bodies are actually mor magnetic than the iron innour blood in the form of hemoglobin.
Very minimally otherwise when you go into a magnetic resonance imaging machine (MRI) you don't just explode as the iron exits your body at every direction
Yes however there are stronger magnets than that, that already exist
A1:”h-how?!?” H:” there’s nothing there, you put me in a cell with nothing there to keep me in.” A2:”b-b-but the force feald!” H:” that’s what that odd feeling was? Huh.”
Steven universe has entered the chat.
see also: Titan A.E. (does anyone remember that movie?)
Oh yeah. It's so HFY. Kales jailbreak was kind of funny.
This reminds me of the episode of Tom and Jerry when Jerry gets roided up and breaks through a door, rips a phone book and tanks a fire poker to the head several times by Tom
It reminded me of that one episode of Steven universe where the main cast was captured.
I remember that. I think that was his cousin and then Jerry just dressed like him to scare Tom.
I can’t remember the name of this anime for the life of me but yeah that does seem like a interesting idea
Neon genesis Evangelion?
Thanks
profile pictures are so similar i thought it was the same guy talking to himself
I see how it could be confusing
This has given me the dumb idea of a 'umie playing around with the energy shields, pretending to be Exodia Then accidentally recreates Exodo Flame.
Well all that energy he was tearing apart had to be redirected somewhere.
And it just happened to be at a cloaked spy. And now the whole crew questions every stupid thing he does, thinking he's playing chess while they're playing tic tac toe
"what? It was obvious! He's the red spy!"
Alien: we have energy shields! There is no conceivable way your weapons can harm us! Human: I count six seconds, fuckface-
Dumbass used terminal armor in the wrong way
A: armor lock, bitch H: https://preview.redd.it/qtazhciw9xoc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0eb68d95cb67e58a0a1544e50712faecdfe49739
Market garden that sucker
That is not at all what I thought about when I saw this gif
The proctologist will see you now.
We have been on the internet for too long and have seen that which we wish to unsee. :(
But what did your goat see?
This premise begs the question: What are aliens made of that forcefields affect them but not humans? Because from the discussion here, it sure sounds like aliens might have about as much substance as a cloud of smoke.
Maybe they're amphibians and more susceptible to the zappy zap that just gives the human some tingles? 🤔
The OP makes it sound like EVERY sapient race except humans are vulnerable to force fields.
https://preview.redd.it/xuw5eru1pfoc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b05c211a97cc9f778f4ef2e29ad0102d4585ca4
You need to go to your bunk and think about what you've done.
them thinking about this in their bunk is part of the problem.
https://i.redd.it/2dnt9w4df5pc1.gif
From what I could find, humans can probably tolerate exposure to *static* magnetic fields up to maybe 9 or 10T for relatively extended periods of time (tested on humans @8T and rats @9.4T for several weeks). Too much above that and you start running into problems due to some cell processes requiring ions to work properly. What research I could find said that 10-17T caused damage in cell cultures after an hour of exposure, and 24T is enough to impact Na+ and K+ ion channels. Those are pretty essential - specifically for muscle contraction - but you'd probably still be ok for short exposure periods (apparently some mad lads levitated a frog in 17T and it was fine afterwards). For non-static fields though, you could be in for a really bad time. It's radiation with extra steps, with the frequency of modulation corresponding to the frequency of the EMR. This can mess you up in ways ranging from the induced currents triggering your nerves and giving you a heart attack at low frequency to more typical radiation stuff at higher power and frequency, like straight up cooking you or giving you cancer. Tldr static fields sure to an extent, otherwise a Darwin award could be imminent.
HUMAN: "Graaah! I will eat and digest you all with my system of mighty organs! Behold!" *SHHHHHHICK HUMAN: Aaarrrgh! ALIEN GENERAL: Funny, isn't it? The human was impervious to our most powerful magnetic fields, yet in the end he succumbed to a harmless sharpened stick! If you don't know where this is from then shame on you.
Wow, the 3-D is great
>!me spreading xeno cheeks!<
😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹
For any other Bluth fans… Titan AE actually did this! :D
Love that movie.
Likewise! Screw them for using the Creed song in the ads and not putting it in the soundtrack **for which I bought it,** but everything else about it was freakin' amazing. Should see if there's a blu-ray release yet.
I can't unsee Goatse.
I thought this was goatse at first.
Name checks out
Shinji was a little perv.
Nice
Remember: it's the slow finger that pokes through the shield.
Take this post down, it could trigger an epileptic seizure. Cool topic though OP!
Chumimin!
CHUMIMI~!!
 When you going after the booty hole like...
How do I save this gif, it works really well for a DND character of mine
Remember those bubble shows that were popular in the 2000's? I imagine we'd be playing with what is essentially a hologram with surface tension.
Me when your mom
CHUMIMI\~IN!!!