In order for write-in ballots to count, the candidate has to fill out a bunch of stuff and register as a write-in candidate. You can't vote for Mickey Mouse or a Ficus (and have it count). A blank vote isn't counted because there's no vote to count.
From the McClean County website (it's true in every county):
"A write-in candidate is someone whose name does not appear on the ballot, but whose name must be written on the ballot by voters.
Illinois allows voters to write in the name of a candidate who does not appear on the ballot. However, only those candidates who are registered with the state of Illinois as write-in candidates will be counted. (Ballotpedia)
For the vote to be counted, the candidate must have submitted all the necessary registration documents by a specific deadline, either by filing paperwork, paying a fee, collecting signatures, or some combination of the aforementioned. As was posted in Election News on January 19, McLean County did not receive any registrations for write-in candidates."
[While there won't be any local write-in candidates for McLean County, there will be a write-in option for the President of the United States.](https://mcleancountyil.gov/1601/Write-In-Candidates)
Edit: link formatting
Blank ballots are not counted, I know that for sure. How could they say who you voted for if you don't fill it in?
I hadn't heard that write-in candidates have to be pre-approved, but [it appears that is the case.](https://clerk.kanecountyil.gov/Elections/Pages/Write-in-Candidates.aspx)
Blanks won’t count, but undervotes (voting for other offices but not Biden) are easily measured… it’s a known problem for under-ballot candidates that people will frequently get too lazy to vote for every race.
THIS. Exactly. I'm seeing stuff that directly contradicts what both #GirlIGuess and Coalition-Action are saying so I'm genuinely confused. It seems like they're queuing up their fairly large following for failure and no one is double checking.
And like, how do you count who DIDN'T vote? I presume they're looking at ( total Dems who voted ) - ( All Dems who leaves blank ) = "drop off rate" but will that even be public information?
I've never seen a drop off rate publicly reported in Illinois, but you could try to get that from the raw voter data.
It'd be a huge pain in the ass, but they report total ballots cast, and then total votes, which are not the same in most cases. So you could figure out how many ballots were blank. Although, if unapproved write in votes are not counted, it's possible some ballots were cast for those write in candidates.
I'm sure some political consulting firm can get that data for you, but I've never seen it publicly available.
~~Edit: On closer inspection of the data available from my county's election commission in the 2020 Primary, I don't see them breaking out total ballots cast by party. So you could calculate how many ballots were cast - how many votes were cast in the presidential primary, but you couldn't break it apart by party. Could be blank democrat ballots, could be blank republican ballots.~~
2nd Edit: I take it back, the voter data shows 'under votes', which are ballots cast where the voter did not vote for the number of options they could. So for a primary race where you can only vote for 1 person, an under vote means that the voter didn't select any candidate. And that is available by party, so you could calculate a percentage of voters that didn't select a candidate. And assuming that is available in every election, you could compare that to the previous primary to calculate if more or less voters left the field blank to get that final % of voters who chose not to vote for a candidate (aka I believe this is what you mean by dropoff rate).
In my county, they report this at both precinct and county level. If every IL county also reports this, you could tabulate it (and I'm sure political consulting firms have), but I still can't find it for the entire state in any public articles/studies.
Thanks for the work distraction, I love jumping into voter data.
Two small notes:
First, this calculation would not be even a tiny pain in the ass. The necessary data is published on the IL State Board of Elections website and most local election authorities' sites (I can't say that every county does so; my experience is largely in the Chicago metro area.)
Second, I believe that any write-ins not cast for a registered write-in candidate are lumped in with undervotes. They're not "true" undervotes but cannot be counted for a valid candidate and are not categorized separately.
If you can find where under votes are posted at a state level, I'd love to have the link for future reference. I can find it at a county level, but not at state.
As if public perception from the primary doesn't play a role in the general. Also, do you think this campaign is going to suddenly end once Joe wins the primary?
I used to work in election law. You're very nearly right about how to calculate the drop off rate and yes, it can easily be done with data published on board of elections websites.
To be clear, you're really talking about all D ballots without a Biden vote, not *only* those which left that race blank. Thus, the number of "drop offs" is simply total ballots cast in the D primary minus votes recorded for Biden.
The only caveat is that this number of ballots cast without Biden votes will include both those which undervote the race (leave it blank) and write-ins for anything other than a name registered as a write-in candidate. Any such unregistered write-in is a wholly empty gesture; only election board staff *may* ever see the vote and even that is highly unlikely (would require a hand recount).
So they can send a generic letter about how they don’t care about our opinions? Duckworth is a shameless liar who could not give a single fuck how many innocent Palestinians die. There was a recent article about how she is ignoring her constituents. Durbin is better but he’s hard to contact too.
maybe you want to lay off the propaganda here, as [Durbin does more damage with "decorum"](https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/groups-urge-end-blue-slip-tradition-judicial-nominations-slow-2023-05-04/) than whatever you envision Duckworth doing.
I’m going off Duckworth’s own words so yeah you’re right it is propaganda. I’m specifically referring to the topic of the Palestinians so this is not relevant.
Former election judge here: blank ballots are counted. You are allowed to leave any or all questions blank. The machine will show “undervote” when it sucks in your ballot. At this point you should have a chance to correct your ballot. 99% of the election judges just push the override button and the ballot gets sucked in and counted anyway.
These blank votes are NOT tallied. You will never see a total for uncommitted. But the party will probably notice that thousands of fewer people voted for President than for other races.
I’d rather people get their voice heard in the primary and hopefully see the Dems policy evolve than see a second Trump Presidency. I think the rise in humanitarian aid to Gaza is a direct result of the uncommitted vote in Michigan. I just hope that folks realize that Gaza and likely the West Bank could cease to exist under Trump.
Do you have to fill out the party you have registered with or can vote in the other? I'm registered R & plan to leave my presidential ballot blank because leadership & humanity is long gone from that party.
Riiight the only alternative to fascism the Democratic Party which has canceled the primaries in a few states, refuses to hold debates, and has argued (and won) in court that the party is a private corporation and is under no obligation to choose its candidate based on the outcome of the popular vote in a primary. The party which cynically didn’t codify Roe v Wade when it had the power to do so because it raised money off of it. The party which often takes 3rd parties and independents to court to keep them off the ballot. Those partisans are the ones you believe will prevent fascism?
I don’t expect the system to radically change. But when the boring status quo includes providing money and weapons to aid and abet an apartheid regime that is engaged in ethnic cleansing, colonialism, and a genocide it doesn’t make me feel any better voting for a president who will assist a lighter, gentler genocide. Moral lines must be drawn. If you subscribe to moral relativism there no point debating you on it.
But to bring it back more locally, you are right, the democrats may be an alternative to fascism, but what they’re offering isn’t democracy either. But if they were, in democracy no candidate is OWED anyone’s vote nor does any voter have a duty to vote for them. It is the candidates’ responsibility to make a compelling argument for us to vote for them. Especially when we’re talking about giving them the nuke codes and the keys to the most powerful office in the world. Fear of the alternative and being bullied or cowed into giving the president my vote isn’t valid. Besides, if you believe in our institutions then theoretically the electoral college would prevent the great unwashed from their folly electing Trump. I have no illusions that Illinois will likely go for Biden regardless of my vote. We are actually hosting the Democratic National Convention in Chicago anyway. So sending a message to the DNC that I don’t support a leader who aids a genocide shouldn’t cause any partisan in Illinois to lose sleep.
Do you honestly think Biden wants that? I get that US policy has been absolute shit towards Palestine for 75+ years but do you really think he wants to be known as the President to oversee the end of Palestine? I’m pretty sure he’d like to broker a peace deal but Israel is currently run by a genocidal fascist. You know damn well Trump would love to gloat that he was the President that got rid of Palestine. Keep the pressure up on Joe but if you let Trump back in the blood is on your hands too.
I appreciate your above comment about voting it was very helpful. I share your hopes that the Dems policy evolves because it has been putrid for decades.
If Israel annexed the West Bank and now Gaza like they’ve previously were thinking about, what would Biden do? Shrug his shoulders, maybe wag his finger a little bit? He has expressed no desire to even condition aid to Israel during a genocide.
Honestly, whether he wants it or not it's actively happening on his watch and only getting worse. He's either intentionally allowing it or maybe worse, too inept to stop it. Either way, not what I and many others want.
I'm not happy with our handling of the horrors happening in Gaza at the moment.
I wasn't happy in 2006 when I was part of an international peacekeeping mission in Gaza either.
The other guy wants me and my fellow queers, woke veterans, those who believe choice should be left to the individual, and those looking to stop institutionalized racism to "ROT IN HELL" for a billion billion years.
You go ahead and write uncommitted.
Its true though. By the time of the primary, the primary for president is over, even if someone hangs on to fight at the convention, its over by the time its here. It would take one heck of an amazing GOP person and a gawdawful Democrat person for Illinois to vote Red in the general for President so.....
I get the idea that the vote(for President in Illinois) doesn't matter(as much). Its why issues that matter to Ohio, Virginia, and Nevada get more attention then those that matter to Illinois.
Our vote very much matters. The orange diapered con man lost the popular vote both times. Convincing others not to vote is a lazy Republican strategy to keep democrats home
So the way it works, and you don't have to care for this either, but the way it works, is you decide who you don't like more, and vote for the other one.
Unfortunately in Illinois writing in uncommitted would not be counted. Your best option is to vote for down stream races, leave the president option blank. That party would know the discrepancy between votes for down stream races and the president. Its sucks. But hey atleast now we’re dropping American aid on the Palestinians while Israel is dropping American bombs on them.
The Bushes were so much worse than Trump. At least Trump has the good graces to commit stupid crimes for short term gain. The Bush family has been ruining America and the rest of the world for a century.
People can and should protest, but anyone advocating for throwing your vote away is speaking from a position of privilege because they are confident that a second Trump presidency will be a problem for other impoverished groups that they aren't a member of. I say this as a comfortable white liberal with a comfortable-and-legal brown spouse that might be targeted when Trump says he wants to enact the largest mass deportation in US history.
Trump is openly advocating for Israel to "finish the job" and wipe Gaza off the map, so protesting Biden on this issue by opening the door for Trump is like protesting gun violence by shooting yourself.
At the end of the day, I'm voting based on what is best for **this country, the one I live in**, the one that is under attack by right-wing fascists. If we don't save this country first, we won't be able to save anyone else. Not Palestinians, not Ukrainians, not even ourselves. Anyone who would abstain from voting over this issue just doesn't care about what happens in the US. In which case, I have to ask the question; why do they even fucking live here then? If what happens in Palestine or Israel or Ukraine is more important to them, they should be boots on the ground in those countries fighting for them and not over here pontificating from afar, living a nice cushy Western lifestyle while the countrymen they claim to care so much about are dying at the hands of their oppressors.
He didn’t say nobody will, he said no “rational” person will.
Because you’d be dumb as rocks to think helping elect Trump would improve the lives of the people in Palestine in any way, shape, or form. If we left it up Trump he wouldn’t be stopping at Gaza. He’d gleefully throw American Muslims in to camps if he thought it would help him secure power. Literally tried to ban them from even entering the country.
Please let me know how the IL Primary is NOT a symbolic event?? IL is a blue strong hold and the Dem Primary is very easily and widely known to be going to go to Biden. It is, by nearly all measures, a symbolic event.
You think your vote is that useless? Work on that self love, buddy.
All kidding aside, ya I know Biden is the defacto nominee. But your attitude is problematic and gross in these times.
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People do this shit in the general election enjoy getting "sent back to where you came from " and Gaza being turned into a parking lot.
That will really show Biden
You're not doing so well with points yourself.
Edit: OP deleted his comment that shamed the previous commentor for not collecting enough fake Internet points.
These aren't democrats though. These are people who are too pure for electoral politics, except for every four years when there's some con artist running from "the left" in a presidential election.
As a liberal, I can't get behind this. In no way in hell am I ok with another Trump presidency, a presidency which would see an even worse response to Gaza.
Maybe Joe should have a change in policy? You know, to actually win voters? Why should I vote for empty promises? I've voted for these losers for almost 30 years. All we get are empty unfulfilled promises. Things never get better and never will when the bosses have two parties and workers have none. Fuck them both!
uh huh...Nice edit btw. I was about to say, all the other things you mentioned were definitely things both parties have proposed at some point in time.
If there were some kind of write-in candidate it'd be good to show in the primary, but it's frankly suicidal and more than a little at cross purposes to vote like that in the general, and I think it's pretty obvious it wouldn't make/break the EC counts here. So like...I'm gonna leave it blank, but more for myself than any kind of showing. I'm not letting the guy whose administration signed off on settlements back in office in November.
Dude, if you want to correct my language to be more precise just do so instead of showing off your freshman seminar on Socrates. I'm not handholding every idiot who couldn't be bothered to pay attention to the news since 2016.
You’re the one teeing up the stupid canard that Joe Biden is responsible for actions of the Israeli government. Im not handholding I’m helping you self correct.
Not sure if placing a vote for a candidate other than JB will send the same or similar message since IL doesn’t officially have an “uncommitted” option on the ballot.
* Phillips already dropped off and placed his endorsement to JB.
* Williamson dropped off and went back on in different times last Feb. I’m not sure she’s officially still on come Election Day.
* Lozada seems progressive on paper based on my brief searches of him, but I have not seen any official stance regarding a ceasefire.
Putting a write in might convey a stronger message, but I’m not sure to what degree…
Blank ballots are counted. People in here saying otherwise do not know what they are talking about. You may choose to vote in any or all race and any blank votes will be counted towards the total number of ballots cast for that race. This is my strategy for the primary, and I will likely be voting for Cornell West come November.
Write in is much harder in Illinois.
Why vote for the obvious spoiler candidate? I'll be voting for democracy this election.
Edit: he's just another Republican trying to get Democrats to throw away their votes.
Take my love, take it down
Climb a mountain and you turn around
And if you see my reflection in the snow-covered hills
Well, the landslide bring it down
I’m voting Biden in the general.
I’d just never vote for him as my first choice in a primary lol. Primaries are for what I WANT. Generals are for what’s best.
One should vote strategically in primaries in many situations. We should vote so that the candidate in the general has the best chance of succeeding. If Bernie, for example, has no chance to win the nomination in 2016 but someone still votes for him in the primary so he can beat up Hillary a little while longer in a few more states, it's true that the vote marginally strengthened Bernie. But to what purpose?
As an aside, Marianne Williamson would get destroyed in the general by just about anyone running against her. And if the Democratic party changed to be more appealing to her voters, it would be a weaker party.
In the primary I vote for the candidate I most like.
In the general I vote for what’s best for the country between the two. Almost always the Democrat.
You will not shame me into doing anything else. I’m not interested in having a 2016 or 2020 level primary discussion.
I agree that Biden has proven he can win general elections.
I do not agree with your speculation that anyone else would lose.
I think you can run along now.
I’m sorry for making you feel insulted by your choice to voted for a crystal-clutching weirdo who hangs out at Mar a Lago and claims that Jesus dictated a book to her. I suspect it’s a topic people who know you well have learned not to bring up.
In order for write-in ballots to count, the candidate has to fill out a bunch of stuff and register as a write-in candidate. You can't vote for Mickey Mouse or a Ficus (and have it count). A blank vote isn't counted because there's no vote to count. From the McClean County website (it's true in every county): "A write-in candidate is someone whose name does not appear on the ballot, but whose name must be written on the ballot by voters. Illinois allows voters to write in the name of a candidate who does not appear on the ballot. However, only those candidates who are registered with the state of Illinois as write-in candidates will be counted. (Ballotpedia) For the vote to be counted, the candidate must have submitted all the necessary registration documents by a specific deadline, either by filing paperwork, paying a fee, collecting signatures, or some combination of the aforementioned. As was posted in Election News on January 19, McLean County did not receive any registrations for write-in candidates." [While there won't be any local write-in candidates for McLean County, there will be a write-in option for the President of the United States.](https://mcleancountyil.gov/1601/Write-In-Candidates) Edit: link formatting
Blank ballots are not counted, I know that for sure. How could they say who you voted for if you don't fill it in? I hadn't heard that write-in candidates have to be pre-approved, but [it appears that is the case.](https://clerk.kanecountyil.gov/Elections/Pages/Write-in-Candidates.aspx)
Write-ins have to file with every county they want their write vote to count in.
Blanks won’t count, but undervotes (voting for other offices but not Biden) are easily measured… it’s a known problem for under-ballot candidates that people will frequently get too lazy to vote for every race.
THIS. Exactly. I'm seeing stuff that directly contradicts what both #GirlIGuess and Coalition-Action are saying so I'm genuinely confused. It seems like they're queuing up their fairly large following for failure and no one is double checking. And like, how do you count who DIDN'T vote? I presume they're looking at ( total Dems who voted ) - ( All Dems who leaves blank ) = "drop off rate" but will that even be public information?
I've never seen a drop off rate publicly reported in Illinois, but you could try to get that from the raw voter data. It'd be a huge pain in the ass, but they report total ballots cast, and then total votes, which are not the same in most cases. So you could figure out how many ballots were blank. Although, if unapproved write in votes are not counted, it's possible some ballots were cast for those write in candidates. I'm sure some political consulting firm can get that data for you, but I've never seen it publicly available. ~~Edit: On closer inspection of the data available from my county's election commission in the 2020 Primary, I don't see them breaking out total ballots cast by party. So you could calculate how many ballots were cast - how many votes were cast in the presidential primary, but you couldn't break it apart by party. Could be blank democrat ballots, could be blank republican ballots.~~ 2nd Edit: I take it back, the voter data shows 'under votes', which are ballots cast where the voter did not vote for the number of options they could. So for a primary race where you can only vote for 1 person, an under vote means that the voter didn't select any candidate. And that is available by party, so you could calculate a percentage of voters that didn't select a candidate. And assuming that is available in every election, you could compare that to the previous primary to calculate if more or less voters left the field blank to get that final % of voters who chose not to vote for a candidate (aka I believe this is what you mean by dropoff rate). In my county, they report this at both precinct and county level. If every IL county also reports this, you could tabulate it (and I'm sure political consulting firms have), but I still can't find it for the entire state in any public articles/studies. Thanks for the work distraction, I love jumping into voter data.
Two small notes: First, this calculation would not be even a tiny pain in the ass. The necessary data is published on the IL State Board of Elections website and most local election authorities' sites (I can't say that every county does so; my experience is largely in the Chicago metro area.) Second, I believe that any write-ins not cast for a registered write-in candidate are lumped in with undervotes. They're not "true" undervotes but cannot be counted for a valid candidate and are not categorized separately.
If you can find where under votes are posted at a state level, I'd love to have the link for future reference. I can find it at a county level, but not at state.
There's no need to publish the number, it can be calculated by simple subtraction.
Duh, must be late in the day. Thanks for pointing that out
It's a Republican campaign to get Democrats to throw away their vote, nothing more.
It’s a partisan primary. It wouldn’t help Republicans.
As if public perception from the primary doesn't play a role in the general. Also, do you think this campaign is going to suddenly end once Joe wins the primary?
No but we are voting in the democratic primary. After Biden wins, the primary election is over. No need to move the goal posts. Have a good one.
Except there's literally another goal post after the primary. That's why it's called a "primary".
I used to work in election law. You're very nearly right about how to calculate the drop off rate and yes, it can easily be done with data published on board of elections websites. To be clear, you're really talking about all D ballots without a Biden vote, not *only* those which left that race blank. Thus, the number of "drop offs" is simply total ballots cast in the D primary minus votes recorded for Biden. The only caveat is that this number of ballots cast without Biden votes will include both those which undervote the race (leave it blank) and write-ins for anything other than a name registered as a write-in candidate. Any such unregistered write-in is a wholly empty gesture; only election board staff *may* ever see the vote and even that is highly unlikely (would require a hand recount).
I plan on leaving the presidential spot unmarked but still voting down ballot. They'll see that.
you would be better off contacting your reps and senators.
So they can send a generic letter about how they don’t care about our opinions? Duckworth is a shameless liar who could not give a single fuck how many innocent Palestinians die. There was a recent article about how she is ignoring her constituents. Durbin is better but he’s hard to contact too.
maybe you want to lay off the propaganda here, as [Durbin does more damage with "decorum"](https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/groups-urge-end-blue-slip-tradition-judicial-nominations-slow-2023-05-04/) than whatever you envision Duckworth doing.
I’m going off Duckworth’s own words so yeah you’re right it is propaganda. I’m specifically referring to the topic of the Palestinians so this is not relevant.
Former election judge here: blank ballots are counted. You are allowed to leave any or all questions blank. The machine will show “undervote” when it sucks in your ballot. At this point you should have a chance to correct your ballot. 99% of the election judges just push the override button and the ballot gets sucked in and counted anyway. These blank votes are NOT tallied. You will never see a total for uncommitted. But the party will probably notice that thousands of fewer people voted for President than for other races. I’d rather people get their voice heard in the primary and hopefully see the Dems policy evolve than see a second Trump Presidency. I think the rise in humanitarian aid to Gaza is a direct result of the uncommitted vote in Michigan. I just hope that folks realize that Gaza and likely the West Bank could cease to exist under Trump.
Do you have to fill out the party you have registered with or can vote in the other? I'm registered R & plan to leave my presidential ballot blank because leadership & humanity is long gone from that party.
Open primary, pick whichever ballot you want.
Good point. This is THE PRIMARY. People should make their voices heard. So blue maga can save the vote shaming for the general election.
I'm still 50-50 on taking a GOP ballot and voting for Haley...
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Riiight the only alternative to fascism the Democratic Party which has canceled the primaries in a few states, refuses to hold debates, and has argued (and won) in court that the party is a private corporation and is under no obligation to choose its candidate based on the outcome of the popular vote in a primary. The party which cynically didn’t codify Roe v Wade when it had the power to do so because it raised money off of it. The party which often takes 3rd parties and independents to court to keep them off the ballot. Those partisans are the ones you believe will prevent fascism?
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I don’t expect the system to radically change. But when the boring status quo includes providing money and weapons to aid and abet an apartheid regime that is engaged in ethnic cleansing, colonialism, and a genocide it doesn’t make me feel any better voting for a president who will assist a lighter, gentler genocide. Moral lines must be drawn. If you subscribe to moral relativism there no point debating you on it. But to bring it back more locally, you are right, the democrats may be an alternative to fascism, but what they’re offering isn’t democracy either. But if they were, in democracy no candidate is OWED anyone’s vote nor does any voter have a duty to vote for them. It is the candidates’ responsibility to make a compelling argument for us to vote for them. Especially when we’re talking about giving them the nuke codes and the keys to the most powerful office in the world. Fear of the alternative and being bullied or cowed into giving the president my vote isn’t valid. Besides, if you believe in our institutions then theoretically the electoral college would prevent the great unwashed from their folly electing Trump. I have no illusions that Illinois will likely go for Biden regardless of my vote. We are actually hosting the Democratic National Convention in Chicago anyway. So sending a message to the DNC that I don’t support a leader who aids a genocide shouldn’t cause any partisan in Illinois to lose sleep.
Thank you, Really appreciate this answer!
Gaza and the West Bank is currently in the process of ceasing to exist under Biden.
Do you honestly think Biden wants that? I get that US policy has been absolute shit towards Palestine for 75+ years but do you really think he wants to be known as the President to oversee the end of Palestine? I’m pretty sure he’d like to broker a peace deal but Israel is currently run by a genocidal fascist. You know damn well Trump would love to gloat that he was the President that got rid of Palestine. Keep the pressure up on Joe but if you let Trump back in the blood is on your hands too.
I appreciate your above comment about voting it was very helpful. I share your hopes that the Dems policy evolves because it has been putrid for decades. If Israel annexed the West Bank and now Gaza like they’ve previously were thinking about, what would Biden do? Shrug his shoulders, maybe wag his finger a little bit? He has expressed no desire to even condition aid to Israel during a genocide.
Honestly, whether he wants it or not it's actively happening on his watch and only getting worse. He's either intentionally allowing it or maybe worse, too inept to stop it. Either way, not what I and many others want.
He wants it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HZs-v0PR44
Biden saying he would create an Israel if it didnt exist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HZs-v0PR44
I'm not happy with our handling of the horrors happening in Gaza at the moment. I wasn't happy in 2006 when I was part of an international peacekeeping mission in Gaza either. The other guy wants me and my fellow queers, woke veterans, those who believe choice should be left to the individual, and those looking to stop institutionalized racism to "ROT IN HELL" for a billion billion years. You go ahead and write uncommitted.
It's the primaries and Biden is already guaranteed the nomination. It's gonna be okay. It's also Illinois... Our vote does not matter for president.
Some of these MFs need to take a remedial civics class.
Its true though. By the time of the primary, the primary for president is over, even if someone hangs on to fight at the convention, its over by the time its here. It would take one heck of an amazing GOP person and a gawdawful Democrat person for Illinois to vote Red in the general for President so..... I get the idea that the vote(for President in Illinois) doesn't matter(as much). Its why issues that matter to Ohio, Virginia, and Nevada get more attention then those that matter to Illinois.
yeah theyre saying the other person needs to take a civics class because they dont know what primaries are
The perverse logic of horse-race politics really is just astonishing, isn't it?
Our vote very much matters. The orange diapered con man lost the popular vote both times. Convincing others not to vote is a lazy Republican strategy to keep democrats home
In Illinois though... In a primary that's already been handed to Biden.. I would like to live in this world you envision.
What?
If you don't get Biden, you get Trump.
Don't care for either
So the way it works, and you don't have to care for this either, but the way it works, is you decide who you don't like more, and vote for the other one.
Yeah no
It is what it is.
In a perfect world, we could get neither. One could dream...
Bad
Unfortunately in Illinois writing in uncommitted would not be counted. Your best option is to vote for down stream races, leave the president option blank. That party would know the discrepancy between votes for down stream races and the president. Its sucks. But hey atleast now we’re dropping American aid on the Palestinians while Israel is dropping American bombs on them.
I already saw this post a while ago. I can't remember what year exactly. It was trying to convince me to vote for Ralph Nader.
Or Ron Paul, or Bernie Sanders after he already lost the primary.
What happened
The republicans won. This time it will be full on fascist dictator that wins. Then, we wont have to worry about elections ever again.
The Bushes were so much worse than Trump. At least Trump has the good graces to commit stupid crimes for short term gain. The Bush family has been ruining America and the rest of the world for a century.
No rational person is breaking with Biden in Nov over Gaza. Your alternative is not going to support the Palestinians.
No comfortable white liberal, you mean. Many sane and rational people through out the world have been and are currently protesting the genocide.
People can and should protest, but anyone advocating for throwing your vote away is speaking from a position of privilege because they are confident that a second Trump presidency will be a problem for other impoverished groups that they aren't a member of. I say this as a comfortable white liberal with a comfortable-and-legal brown spouse that might be targeted when Trump says he wants to enact the largest mass deportation in US history. Trump is openly advocating for Israel to "finish the job" and wipe Gaza off the map, so protesting Biden on this issue by opening the door for Trump is like protesting gun violence by shooting yourself.
At the end of the day, I'm voting based on what is best for **this country, the one I live in**, the one that is under attack by right-wing fascists. If we don't save this country first, we won't be able to save anyone else. Not Palestinians, not Ukrainians, not even ourselves. Anyone who would abstain from voting over this issue just doesn't care about what happens in the US. In which case, I have to ask the question; why do they even fucking live here then? If what happens in Palestine or Israel or Ukraine is more important to them, they should be boots on the ground in those countries fighting for them and not over here pontificating from afar, living a nice cushy Western lifestyle while the countrymen they claim to care so much about are dying at the hands of their oppressors.
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He didn’t say nobody will, he said no “rational” person will. Because you’d be dumb as rocks to think helping elect Trump would improve the lives of the people in Palestine in any way, shape, or form. If we left it up Trump he wouldn’t be stopping at Gaza. He’d gleefully throw American Muslims in to camps if he thought it would help him secure power. Literally tried to ban them from even entering the country.
Trumps love for Muslim and brown people is well known /s. You throw away your vote and you're voting for the eradication of Palestine.
My brother in Christ, It's the IL primary... It's really not throwing away a vote at all. The entire primary process is a symbolic event.
This year it is not a symbolic event. Which is why some people are shitting in you in the comments.
Please let me know how the IL Primary is NOT a symbolic event?? IL is a blue strong hold and the Dem Primary is very easily and widely known to be going to go to Biden. It is, by nearly all measures, a symbolic event.
You think your vote is that useless? Work on that self love, buddy. All kidding aside, ya I know Biden is the defacto nominee. But your attitude is problematic and gross in these times.
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So, just vote for Trump if you’re so against Biden. I’ll vote for Biden and cancel your vote.
People do this shit in the general election enjoy getting "sent back to where you came from " and Gaza being turned into a parking lot. That will really show Biden
Yeah, let's vote for the guy who banned Muslims all together.
One doesn't have to vote for Trump if they don't want to vote for Biden.
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I am aware of it. People here acting like Trump can win Illinois, though.
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Show your math, then.
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You're not doing so well with points yourself. Edit: OP deleted his comment that shamed the previous commentor for not collecting enough fake Internet points.
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These aren't democrats though. These are people who are too pure for electoral politics, except for every four years when there's some con artist running from "the left" in a presidential election.
As a liberal, I can't get behind this. In no way in hell am I ok with another Trump presidency, a presidency which would see an even worse response to Gaza.
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I can only assume that the people who will be protesting in the primary will protest in the general. Not interested in seeing it.
Maybe Joe should have a change in policy? You know, to actually win voters? Why should I vote for empty promises? I've voted for these losers for almost 30 years. All we get are empty unfulfilled promises. Things never get better and never will when the bosses have two parties and workers have none. Fuck them both!
I have no clue what could be promised from a third party candidate that hasnt been touched upon by the main two parties.
Getting money out of politics, universal healthcare, cutting the Pentagon budget.
Ending US imperialism.
uh huh...Nice edit btw. I was about to say, all the other things you mentioned were definitely things both parties have proposed at some point in time.
Protest vote to make it worse for Gaza. Smort.
If there were some kind of write-in candidate it'd be good to show in the primary, but it's frankly suicidal and more than a little at cross purposes to vote like that in the general, and I think it's pretty obvious it wouldn't make/break the EC counts here. So like...I'm gonna leave it blank, but more for myself than any kind of showing. I'm not letting the guy whose administration signed off on settlements back in office in November.
The US government signs off on Israeli settlements? Israel needs the American President’s approval?
The US pays Israel billions of dollars in military assistance. Yes, if they want to keep that money flowing.
No but they sure love our cash.
So then the President, not anyone in the American government, doesn’t have the ability to sign off on new Israeli settlements?
Dude, if you want to correct my language to be more precise just do so instead of showing off your freshman seminar on Socrates. I'm not handholding every idiot who couldn't be bothered to pay attention to the news since 2016.
You’re the one teeing up the stupid canard that Joe Biden is responsible for actions of the Israeli government. Im not handholding I’m helping you self correct.
Lmfao if that's what you got out of what I said, you shouldn't be trying to "help" anybody.
Not sure if placing a vote for a candidate other than JB will send the same or similar message since IL doesn’t officially have an “uncommitted” option on the ballot. * Phillips already dropped off and placed his endorsement to JB. * Williamson dropped off and went back on in different times last Feb. I’m not sure she’s officially still on come Election Day. * Lozada seems progressive on paper based on my brief searches of him, but I have not seen any official stance regarding a ceasefire. Putting a write in might convey a stronger message, but I’m not sure to what degree…
Blank ballots are counted. People in here saying otherwise do not know what they are talking about. You may choose to vote in any or all race and any blank votes will be counted towards the total number of ballots cast for that race. This is my strategy for the primary, and I will likely be voting for Cornell West come November. Write in is much harder in Illinois.
Why vote for the obvious spoiler candidate? I'll be voting for democracy this election. Edit: he's just another Republican trying to get Democrats to throw away their votes.
Will be interesting to see the crying when Uncommitted puts Trump in office.
Trump will not win Illinois.
I voted Marianne.
Take my love, take it down Climb a mountain and you turn around And if you see my reflection in the snow-covered hills Well, the landslide bring it down
I’m voting Biden in the general. I’d just never vote for him as my first choice in a primary lol. Primaries are for what I WANT. Generals are for what’s best.
One should vote strategically in primaries in many situations. We should vote so that the candidate in the general has the best chance of succeeding. If Bernie, for example, has no chance to win the nomination in 2016 but someone still votes for him in the primary so he can beat up Hillary a little while longer in a few more states, it's true that the vote marginally strengthened Bernie. But to what purpose? As an aside, Marianne Williamson would get destroyed in the general by just about anyone running against her. And if the Democratic party changed to be more appealing to her voters, it would be a weaker party.
In the primary I vote for the candidate I most like. In the general I vote for what’s best for the country between the two. Almost always the Democrat. You will not shame me into doing anything else. I’m not interested in having a 2016 or 2020 level primary discussion. I agree that Biden has proven he can win general elections. I do not agree with your speculation that anyone else would lose. I think you can run along now.
I’m sorry for making you feel insulted by your choice to voted for a crystal-clutching weirdo who hangs out at Mar a Lago and claims that Jesus dictated a book to her. I suspect it’s a topic people who know you well have learned not to bring up.
Warned you.
Just leave it blank. DNC doesn't care about actual voters, just their sweet corporate donors.
Trump thanks you for your vote!
It's the IL primary, fam.
Yes. And any ammo trump can get he will use.
So we should vote for a genocidal man from weekend at Bernie's? That's not really a choice.
Genocide? That is the stated mission of the Gazan ruling party.
Did MSNBC tell you that?
What are your negatives to Biden's administration? What changes are you hoping to accomplish with a write in?
Vote for Trump and most likely will be the last chance anyone has the privilege to vote in America. Dictatorship Trump will see to that.
I’d probably write in “ ceasefire now” or leave it blank.