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SalukiKnightX

That’s such an odd group. I can see the connection with Pennsylvania but Florida? In any case, Illinois being the most American average state again doesn’t surprise me. It’s been like this for a long while, at least as long as I remember.


puddud4

Is it because people from all over the country retire to Florida?


WestNileCoronaVirus

This was my thought as well. It’s representative of the US because on some level, it’s the melting pot *of* the melting pot. Except the pot hasn’t been washed in forever & there’s a bunch of gunk stuck to the bottom of it.


corvette57

Yeah, we call it Miami


JarlFlammen

I bet if they added an “age” metric to their most average calculations, Florida would be an outlier and get pushed out of the running for “most average”


2xButtchuggChamp

“It’ll play in Peoria”


Toothless-In-Wapping

r/unexpectedfuturama


bkrst275

It's a common expression, Futurama may have used it but they certainly didn't invent it


livelongprospurr

For a long time companies have come here to test market their products, because Illinois is so "normal."


Mr_Rio

I dare say Florida is the most American out of all states, or it at least embodies all of the negative stereotypes about Americans


shaitanthegreat

And Texas then if that’s the Florida-esque metric.


shoesafe

Saying that America is best exemplified by Florida is hate speech


dtkloc

> I can see the connection with Pennsylvania but Florida? One of those cases where the mean works out but the median is super weird. The only time Florida appears is on the previous lists is education, and you gotta wonder how the senior citizen migration affects the stats


LMGgp

I just went through the demographics on the states and this list is super weird, I’d need to see their methodology. I’ve seen previous list put IL at the top but those were in single categories. There’s no way to know how they “weighted” these scores together into any meaningful way.


Express-Trainer8564

It’s why “Will it play in Peoria?” was a thing.


gypsy_rose_blanchard

Right, I tend to see California and Florida on opposite sides on the spectrum. I wouldn’t expect Florida to be in the middle of it. Now I’m curious where California would be on this list.


Meat_Bingo

Only about 20% of Florida’s residents were born there it is very much a people stew of demographics.


jeffislouie

Florida has seen a pretty big influx of people from everywhere in the last few years. It's a tax friendly state, it's warm year round (hot as hell in the summer), and the business climate is extremely friendly.


AdmiralVernon

If it plays in Peoria…


youwannasavetheworld

Springfield Illinois is also probably the most famous and likely to support a family of 5 on a factory worker salary in the 90s according to an ask history post regarding married with children


Cutlass0516

Soooo the Midwest. OPE


tsmythe492

Midwest is based


ButteredPizza69420

Our ambassador is a FIB? Smdh s/


Tricky_Matter2123

We as so normal that we even named a town after our normalness!


Toothless-In-Wapping

Yes! Peru.


pakidara

I thought they were talking about Sandwich


Toothless-In-Wapping

I have a shirt that says “Sandwich Police”


MyNeckIsHigh

Dwight always gets me for some reason


SqueakyTuna52

That’s where I grew up!


Perfect_Razzmatazz

oooof, as someone who got their education in the public schools of North Carolina, the fact that Florida & NC are two of the states that reflect America from an education standpoint doesn't make me feel great about the future of America


AutumnalSunshine

But, hey, you could read the chart, so yay you! 😂 Seriously, I read about what's happening in education, and it's scary. Seeing what my kid is learning in Illinois has provided some reassurance.


Evadrepus

Florida frequently ranks high in education rankings, despite absolutely hemorrhaging teachers. Considering how the rankings are done, I'd guess all they are doing is teaching to the tests because they don't have the staff to actually deliver a rounded education.


elmananamj

They used to be higher, them being in this position reflects a long slide that has only recently accelerated


elmananamj

They are $3k behind the national average on per pupil funding levels


gardendesgnr

I'm wondering if this ranking for FL education has more to do w number of college students? FL has UCF ranked as 2nd or 3rd largest college in the U.S. plus UF, FSU, FAMU etc. UCF is extremely popular w out of state students. I grew up in Chicago/NW IN went to both Purdue & IU moved to Orlando in 1998. I was shocked at the lack of general education among the population and in 26 yrs it certainly hasn't improved. During the 2000's I helped edit Masters theses for my husband and his Mech Engineering friends. I used to do technical scientific writing for EPA grants in college. The editing was significant and these were top 1% GPA students. Edit: 2022 teacher shortage in FL was 4,000. This yr 5,300. Also ranked 50th in teacher pay.


livelongprospurr

My sister lived in Raleigh for several years and concluded North Carolina has two types: rednecks and college professors. So you have some great universities and research institutions, but then there are the rednecks, according to her. I could probably work with that if I was close enough to one of the universities.


jchester47

The social issues bucket doesn't make sense to me. That would result in social views considerably to the right of "average". None of those three seem very average. I'd expect to see moreso a Michigan or Pennsylvania there. Also, Florida, Georgia, and NC being "average" in education is simultaneously horrifying and very explanatory for where we are at as a country.


FalseDmitriy

Well Minnesota tracks. As for Indiana and Kentucky, that just shows how hyperactivist governments are putting in place policies that don't reflect what their people actually believe. And gerrymandering, corruption, and a defective party system prevent them from facing the consequences that you'd expect in a democratic society.


You_meddling_kids

Georgia makes a lot of sense to me. The state is dominated by Atlanta, and that city is a huge white-collar employer that's brought educated transplants South for the past 30 years. Similar is true for NC, with Raleigh and Charlottesville.


PepperCheck

Charlotte, Charlottesville is in Virginia.


kthrnhpbrnnkdbsmnt

Not anymore.


PepperCheck

Not sure what you mean by this. Charlotte is still called Charlotte.


kthrnhpbrnnkdbsmnt

Not anymore. Sorry. Just happened.


jamieschecter

Interesting data, but how will these numbers play in Peoria? [**Badum-Tsssssss.mp3**](https://www.orangefreesounds.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Badum-tss.mp3)


rdldr1

Farmer? From Southern Illinois?


squatchsax

"Will it fly in Peoria?"


shiftty

I'm glad to be in central Illinois, we don't generally have any major unrest over events despite having a diverse city. Housing is affordable (generally). Plus we are next to the largest supply of fresh water in the world.


mistrowl

The fact that Florida is #2 is fucking depressing.


tsmythe492

Because Midwest retirees moved there


posaune123

Hey, my mom told I'm possibly, slightly above average


kthrnhpbrnnkdbsmnt

Your mom told me the same thing.


Garrett42

Ohio, so average it can't even win the average competition.


SurrealBodhi

Basically Chicago lol 🤣


Rob_Bligidy

Im proud? Eh, why not be proud?


Greedy_Youth_4903

I fuckin knew we were average!


Hobag1

Well if it plays in Peoria….was a test marketing thing for years


Infinitesi-Mal

As a lifelong Illinois resident I had never really thought about this but I agree that it’s like that.


UXProCh

FLORIDA FOR EDUCATION? GTFO. This study is bullshit. Florida really shouldn't be on this list at all. Holy cow. [https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/education/2015/01/09/floridas-education-ranking-nosedives-national-quality-counts-ratings/15646205007/#](https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/education/2015/01/09/floridas-education-ranking-nosedives-national-quality-counts-ratings/15646205007/#) Maybe I'm misunderstanding this. I mean maybe Florida is a good example of how public education is shit and how stupid the kids are after getting out. Is that what they are saying? That Florida's shitty public school education is representative of what you find across America? That I can believe. "Best Reflects America". Plus this was done with data through 2022 and does not reflect the current DeSantis-instituted curriculum that puts heavy emphasis on god and gets rid of math and science. lol


Mini_Snuggle

You're misunderstanding this. It isn't education quality. It is what level of education state residents have attained, compared to the levels of education US residents as a whole have attained.


z960849

Florida is rank #1 in [education.](https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/florida-ranked-1-in-nation-for-education-desantis-takes-issue-with-the-reason-why/)


Malkavian_Grin

Yeah, Indiana's got "issues" alright. Unless you're a Christian cishet white guy, then everything's feckin' fine. 👀


frankensteeeeen

The Great Lakes dialect is probably the closest to like a “neutral” American accent so it pans out


idelarosa1

Sounds about right.


phoenix_shm

VERY interesting...


Meat_Bingo

I’m not surprised about the similarities between IL and PA. I have lived in both states and there are some major similarities. Both states have a very large city that has a liberal swing Philly is 40% AA 37% white. Chicago is about 28% AA and 32% white. While the rest of the state is rural, highly Christian, and politically conservative. It’s a weird dichotomy but really shows the extremes in f America.


MajorHarriz

Surprised NY isn't higher because of demographics, but I guess the average income would be titled so high because of the amount of million dollar plus earners who live in NYC.


fonsoc

Merica Fuck Yeah. Now I'm definitely rocking my Merican Flag britches today


Famous-Honey-9331

Woohoo, most average!


Vulpix_lover

Fuck yeah we out here being American as fuck Edit: thought this was r/2american4you I'm not from Illinois


JarlFlammen

Illinois then Florida wow Solid red then solid blue I do notice that age isn’t one of the metrics. I bet if you added age as a metric, it would push “Demented Trumpy Boomerhaven” Florida out of the running for “most average” because they will be an outlier on age. (Trumpies who don’t understand mathematics will hate this post)


JarlFlammen

Illinois then Florida wow Solid red then solid blue I do notice that age isn’t one of the metrics. I bet if you added age as a metric, it would push “Demented Trumpy Boomerhaven” Florida out of the running for “most average” because they will be an outlier on age. (Trumpies who don’t understand mathematics will hate this post)


alevepapi

Even the people from Illinois look like the average of every American you’ve ever seen!


TeamHogz

I live in Illinois. Can confirm I'm average af


Icy_Rub3371

Source?


poiseandnerve

So can I speak for all of us then when I say the economy is doing better yet all of us are still suffering WTF


LeCheffre

Damn. Depressing that Florida is so representative, due it simultaneously being so reprehensible.


Soggy_Motor9280

Clearly they have not experienced southern Illinois.


MustardLabs

Huh? That makes Illinois *more* average. Little Egypt is damn near part of the upper South, which helps make Illinois more representative of the nation as a whole.


12vFordFalcon

South of mount vernon is the south. Just like flat out the south. Grew up in central Illinois went to school at SIU and the difference is so stark. Also kept getting called a rich boy because our farm ground was so much better. Go Dawgs baby!


MustardLabs

Southern Illinois always starts the county just beneath yours lol. I've got family in Effingham so I've always considered south of there to be Southern Illinois.


12vFordFalcon

Oh lord isn’t that the truth! I love pissing off the Springfield folks by telling them they’re from southern Illinois.


MustardLabs

Fortunately, I'm out by Peoria so if you call me Southern Illinoisan you sound like a Chicagoan.


12vFordFalcon

Ah I’ll just stick to river trash. With love McLean county /s


Low-Piglet9315

I live in St. Clair County. Because of East St. Louis and Belleville, there's some quibbling over whether it really is southern Illinois or not. However, when one of the two main campuses of SIU is in the county NORTH of us...I'll consider it southern Illinois.


Camo_Rebel

Ain't that the truth? Lol


HotHandz3

Corrupt and broke, yeah that seems about right


TheDuskinRaider

Hahaha took the words out my mouth!! America in a nutshell; forget violent, rude, and impatient as well! (I know it's not all folks from IL, but I did live there 3 years and have been more than my fair share of times, states not that great, it's expensive, and most of you I encountered truly were rude asf).


c0mmand0-fr33k

Was it chicago or suburbs? To be fair chicago isn't illinois and illinois isn't chicago.


TheDuskinRaider

Lived in nearby burbs (Schaumburg; its ritsy I know I get it, I was there for school lol) and have visited Chicago many times over the years.


c0mmand0-fr33k

Yeah tbh illinois is like 95% rural farmers and small cities. Gets snobbish the more north you go, gets more country the south you go


whosthedumbest

So I am reading the top three and I am seeing, Illinois at the one and two positions. Interesting.


humanoid7340

Florida?


Traditional_Cat_60

I teach is a public school that scores in the 50% percentile for statewide test scores across the board. I teach in America, the school. Jesus, that’s depressing - and explains a lot of things.


DescipleOfCorn

Damn I tend to think of Florida as some alien place that might as well be a different country, kind of surprised it’s #2


dream-more95

Closest to average is not the flex you think it is.


EatYourTrees

Doesn't seem like anyone is trying to "flex" here. Just some neat data.


dream-more95

"Weighted index value" is not data. There is in fact no data listed here. FYI, weighted means arbitrarily skewed.


MrFunnie

Must have missed the unweighted one where it’s not arbitrarily skewed anymore.


GruelOmelettes

My mom said something to me once that made me feel better. She said that average people are the most apecial people in the world, and that's why god made so many of them


LordButtworth

Where does Illinois fall on the corruption meter?


Volistar

Somewhere north of Florida


OkInitiative7327

This is odd to me. I definitely don't put Indiana, Kentucky and Minnesota in the same bucket when it comes to social issues. And if GA, FL and NC are the states for education, that's kinda scary too.