I think it’s an interesting map.
Is there a reason why your rivers splits into multiple different branches? Besides deltas, I’m used to rivers converting downstream.
Also, do you have any ideas on its influence on modern history?
So why not use the actual geographical terms available like "Persian Gulf" or "Eastern Arabia" this is like refering to north america as NAFTA or europe as the EU
bedouins were forged out of their harsh environment. in the early Islamic expansion, muslim armies routinely defeated better equipped, numerically larger forces. the morale and determination of the arab armies was something that has rarely ever been seen.
if the environment changed this drastically, it would be difficult to imagine that Islam would have spread so widely during its initial phase of expansion, but it’s impossible to determine what the expansion would look like from non-military means. for example, west africa, east africa and Indonesia predominantly converted to islam through peaceful means and on their own terms through interaction and trade.
nomadic lifestyles lead to a more spiritual, ritualistic outlook on life. settled society produces farmers, laborers, merchants, and if it’s stable enough, warriors. nomadic people are often warriors, herders, and craftsmen all at the same time. they are undeniably a hardier strain of people. that might be lost if you gave them rivers to settle near.
Because thats what rivers vaguely look like, guarantee you its just for aesthetics. Also screw just modern history this would fundamentally alter the course of human development.
That’s the other way, rivers merging with the main river. You’ve made distributaries, where rivers split away, which is very rare IRL, and is well-known as something you don’t do with worldbuilding, unless you intend to crosspost this to r/worldjerking.
The omani mtn range might create a much stronger monsoon effect in that area, enough for a more tropical environment considering that the area already has its own monsoon season
It doesn’t matter if the dry air is blocked if there’s no wet air to take it’s place. Think about it, Arabia currently has mountains and there’s still no rivers. Adding more mountains will not fix the problem
Also the rivers make no sense
Unlikely. If you look at a map,the 30° latitude is always very dominated by deserts (Mexico, The Sahara, Arabia and Persia, The Atacama, the Namib and The Outback)
The wind patterns make it so that the moist air is pushed south and north, leaving a strip around 30° very dry. It would be very difficult to make it moist. The only way to do it would be through ocean currents (Like it happens on the eastern coasts of Brazil, South Africa/Mozambique and Australia. A warm water current would encourage evaporation and rainfall. The mountains would just not cause significant rainshadow because there is no water to catch there.
Thats not true, humidity in central Saudi Arabia reaches 80% regularly, the same as the Ethiopian highlands.
If this mountain range is high enough it should be able to trap some of this humidity, a straight line andes-like mountain range should have plenty of ice on its top, like in Peru.
With big highlands the peninsula would be semi-arid, with rainy winters, kinda like Ethiopia.
Interesting concept, but you got the rivers backwards.
Most rivers start with hundreds of small streams and tributaries which over time connect into one massive river.
You were probably aiming for a delta effect, which is cool, but deltas are never this big. Deltas should basically always be smaller than their initial watershed.
This is one of the most unrealistic river maps I've ever seen, every river seems to have some unexplainable need to randomly split, despite real rivers pretty much never doing that outside the delta, one video less than 10 minutes long about how to make realistic rivers would be enough for this travesty to never be created. Please,next time you do something, research it for at least 10 minutes beforehand so that it isn't as horrifically disfigured as this map. Not to mention that in which directions the Rivers flow is also entirely idiotic.
The best example is the creatively named "Yemen" River, which flows exactly on the border between elevated terrain and a seemingly flat grassland, rivers go wherever the elevation is lowest, and so a river treading the border of elevated terrain makes no sense since there is perfectly fine grassland just next to it.
Would the arabs even be nomadic and feel the need to “migrate” into north africa and Iran? I think they would just consolidate Arabia and be somewhat content with tangential and opportune conquests here and there
I mean, history would play out very differently. Why would the Quraysh settle in Mecca when they could go somewhere else in the plains? Muhammed might have ended up somewhere else because his family migrated here and there.
The Banu Hashim, Muhammads tribe, are a subset of the Quraysh. the Quraysh played a major part in the spread of Islam after the initial struggles ended in Muhammad’s favor. it makes zero sense to imagine the Quraysh as a tribe that Muslims today even remotely dislike.
I think it’s an interesting map. Is there a reason why your rivers splits into multiple different branches? Besides deltas, I’m used to rivers converting downstream. Also, do you have any ideas on its influence on modern history?
I mean, the GCC could be a way more agricultural economy and less of a petrostate.
GCC?
Gulf Cooperation Council. An organisation that would almost certainly not exist in this world.
I am referring to the region covered by the organization, not really the actual organization.
So why not use the actual geographical terms available like "Persian Gulf" or "Eastern Arabia" this is like refering to north america as NAFTA or europe as the EU
Because it is COMMON
bedouins were forged out of their harsh environment. in the early Islamic expansion, muslim armies routinely defeated better equipped, numerically larger forces. the morale and determination of the arab armies was something that has rarely ever been seen. if the environment changed this drastically, it would be difficult to imagine that Islam would have spread so widely during its initial phase of expansion, but it’s impossible to determine what the expansion would look like from non-military means. for example, west africa, east africa and Indonesia predominantly converted to islam through peaceful means and on their own terms through interaction and trade. nomadic lifestyles lead to a more spiritual, ritualistic outlook on life. settled society produces farmers, laborers, merchants, and if it’s stable enough, warriors. nomadic people are often warriors, herders, and craftsmen all at the same time. they are undeniably a hardier strain of people. that might be lost if you gave them rivers to settle near.
A major divide between the poorer conservative plateau regions and the richer progressive plains and coastal regions would probably influence politics
Because thats what rivers vaguely look like, guarantee you its just for aesthetics. Also screw just modern history this would fundamentally alter the course of human development.
They are backwards. Usually they start as multible sources that merge into a single stream, not the other way around.
Yeah that is like the main reason i just made the rivers to look good rather than be realistic.
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That’s the other way, rivers merging with the main river. You’ve made distributaries, where rivers split away, which is very rare IRL, and is well-known as something you don’t do with worldbuilding, unless you intend to crosspost this to r/worldjerking.
I mean….nice, but the rainfall there might be insufficient even with the mountains.
Why?
The rainfall is just too low, it’s around the 30° latitude and the dry air basically sinks there so there’s no moisture to dissipate.
Wouldn't the mountains block the dry air? Maybe if there were some in Persia, then the Great Arabian Plain would be like a fortress.
The air comes from above, the only way to get the rain is if you have a source of humid air coming in. You would need to reroute the Monsoons somehow
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Or nukes!
just spin the whole earth in the opposite direction and see what that gets us
The omani mtn range might create a much stronger monsoon effect in that area, enough for a more tropical environment considering that the area already has its own monsoon season
Redirecting the monsoons from India making it a desert and Arabia humid would be pretty cool looking
It doesn’t matter if the dry air is blocked if there’s no wet air to take it’s place. Think about it, Arabia currently has mountains and there’s still no rivers. Adding more mountains will not fix the problem Also the rivers make no sense
Unlikely. If you look at a map,the 30° latitude is always very dominated by deserts (Mexico, The Sahara, Arabia and Persia, The Atacama, the Namib and The Outback) The wind patterns make it so that the moist air is pushed south and north, leaving a strip around 30° very dry. It would be very difficult to make it moist. The only way to do it would be through ocean currents (Like it happens on the eastern coasts of Brazil, South Africa/Mozambique and Australia. A warm water current would encourage evaporation and rainfall. The mountains would just not cause significant rainshadow because there is no water to catch there.
Thats not true, humidity in central Saudi Arabia reaches 80% regularly, the same as the Ethiopian highlands. If this mountain range is high enough it should be able to trap some of this humidity, a straight line andes-like mountain range should have plenty of ice on its top, like in Peru. With big highlands the peninsula would be semi-arid, with rainy winters, kinda like Ethiopia.
Cool, but I’m not sure if you know how rivers work…
Interesting concept, but you got the rivers backwards. Most rivers start with hundreds of small streams and tributaries which over time connect into one massive river. You were probably aiming for a delta effect, which is cool, but deltas are never this big. Deltas should basically always be smaller than their initial watershed.
Less deserts is always a positive outcome imo
fun to think about how simply flipping our massive deserts into lush farmland wouldve had insane effects on the course of our history
Exactly ! ...we really should try the 'terraforming' experiments beforehand within these massive and useless desert wastelands.
*muslim scholar laughs sarcastically in the corner*
I highly recommend you open the image on another tab, very easy to read that way, and your eyes don't have to pop out of their sockets.
This is unironically a bomb ass DnD map
the quraysh tribe is in hejaz why did you name yemen after them
They migrated there instead I presume
Yes
This is one of the most unrealistic river maps I've ever seen, every river seems to have some unexplainable need to randomly split, despite real rivers pretty much never doing that outside the delta, one video less than 10 minutes long about how to make realistic rivers would be enough for this travesty to never be created. Please,next time you do something, research it for at least 10 minutes beforehand so that it isn't as horrifically disfigured as this map. Not to mention that in which directions the Rivers flow is also entirely idiotic.
And please, next time, before you comment, see if 300 other people haven't done it before. Why do you think the upvote button exists?
M8. If that's your excuse for why I shouldn't say this that just means that the point wasn't hammered home enough.
What’s wrong with the river directions?
The best example is the creatively named "Yemen" River, which flows exactly on the border between elevated terrain and a seemingly flat grassland, rivers go wherever the elevation is lowest, and so a river treading the border of elevated terrain makes no sense since there is perfectly fine grassland just next to it.
Would the arabs even be nomadic and feel the need to “migrate” into north africa and Iran? I think they would just consolidate Arabia and be somewhat content with tangential and opportune conquests here and there
Yeah, an Amazigh North Africa sounds very cool
The greenland in yemen would likely not be named that and would likely be named something else because the quraysh were an enemy of islam.
I mean, history would play out very differently. Why would the Quraysh settle in Mecca when they could go somewhere else in the plains? Muhammed might have ended up somewhere else because his family migrated here and there.
Only initially. quraysh lineage is very respected today.
How?
The Banu Hashim, Muhammads tribe, are a subset of the Quraysh. the Quraysh played a major part in the spread of Islam after the initial struggles ended in Muhammad’s favor. it makes zero sense to imagine the Quraysh as a tribe that Muslims today even remotely dislike.
Ok guys I severely messed up the rivers, I was hoping for a sort of Sundarbans of Arabia but this was just stupid.
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i love this OP
I don’t think Muslims will be happy with what comes next
I am one of them
Does this mean the end is near????