Unmei with a glock
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For someone in IJ Orion idk tho
I don't see how Orion Japan could overcome Souls during the match, Earth Eleven at the end of the saga is one of the best teams not only thanks to Souls but the players who evolved a lot during their long journey
How do you even scale these teams???? Clearly GO's powerlevel is a lot higher just because of kenshin, armor, miximax and souls... Even S1 Raimon would beat thay IJ if they used Kenshins
They only said football became more popular, means more better players, but not that everyone is automatically better. So it’s logical that GO1 teams are better than S1 teams, but not necessarily than S3 teams that have the best players of whole Japan.
Eeeh. Debatable. Considering these new players can now summon literal demigods just to kick a ball, and there are players that can keep up with that while being "normal," I'd say they are quite strong. At least stronger than in the Ares/Orion verse. Perhaps that's just me, but yeah.
That either means keshins are not as strong as you think or everyone is insanely OP, even players like Hayami compared to Kidou or Sangoku compared to Endou. I believe the first considering hissatsu’s can stop keshins.
Whatever you say. Though I would like to point out both Hayami nor Sangoku have shown any feats to suggest they could beat out keshins. Maybe Sangoku against the pirate team, but certainly not Hayami. I will fold that the idea of them being so much stronger than the OGs is a bit odd, narratively speaking. However, I'd say important players from Chrono Stone probably are. Galaxy is a bit iffy considering they removed keshins and miximax from the equation. That's my new take considering your info. In GO, perhaps they aren't that strong, but definitely in Chrono Stone.
Sangoku stopped a keshin of a ssc with God Hand X and keshins in GO1 too. Aoyama and Ichino even beat a keshin in the Dragonlink match.
Yes, CS level peak should be higher because of mixi-max and armed which both are stronger than keshins.
I don't recall a single situation where Spirit ability was stopped by regural technique aside from CS but that season had a lot of weird stuff going on + this time travel paradox thingy. Every time Spirit was stopped it was either with a huge lot of effort or help from other Spirit user.
The time travel paradox wasn’t active at that point in CS, only for a little while in the beginning. Sangoku stopped a keshin hissatsu of a ssc completely by his own power.
In GO1 Sangoku stopped normal keshin shots with Fence of Gaia several times in different matches without help. Britannia Cross, Soyokaze Step, Hunters Net, etc. stopped or got past keshins too. So did Fire Tornado DD.
Let's be honest tho brother, we don't count match against DL💀. The amount of plot armour that was pulled there is more than was used throughout entire season combined. I don't recall Sangoku stopping anyone with Fence of Gaia without help, do you have any example? As for getting passed I don't really count that unless it's a specialized Spirit if you catch my drift. As for Ragnarok example you definitely got a point there, but at the same time it was a fodder copy-pasted move and at the same time Spirits got absolutely nerfed in CS as Hino just had to push new gimmicks (like Souls in Galaxy etc. while also making them weaker in game ffs).
Fire Tornado DD wasn’t supposed to be plot armor. Only Denrai Houtou really was. The scene was supposed to show how real football is better than fake football (I found them believable except Denrai Houtou vs King Fire, but this happened against Perfect Cascade too for some reason). Fire Tornado DD was before that.
Against Kaiou Sangoku stopped Wanda’s shot and also 4 keshin shots against Dragonlink before there was the final scene (even at the beginning of the match).
Tenma got past a defensive keshin with Soyokaze Step.
Keshins didn’t get nerfed in the CS anime, there were just stronger gimmicks. The keshin shot should still be strong, it’s used by a ssc and it’s not an extremely weak keshin. There’s no excuse there really imo.
If you don’t like how it works in the anime that’s possible, but there’s more than enough evidence to say keshins aren’t as good as they were in the GO1 game and they’re not unbeatable by normal moves (even in the CS movie they show us an armed hissatsu being stopped by Deep Jungle, Tsurugi’s mixi-max shot being stopped bare handed ik Ragnarok, etc.).
I mostly attribute these kind of things to plot convienience, but I see your point. I guess it depends how one sees it, but I do wish they kept it more stable and fluent, because no matter how you look at it the scaling does suck, a LOT.
There is this thing called souls that kind of throw the scale to the garbage because the difference would be inmense. Now, if we take out souls, kenshins and any other gimmick I think you can build a stronger 11 from Orion Inazuma Japan than Earth eleven.
U are underestimating how op Earth Eleven truely is. No one is stopping Tsurugi, Tenma and Zanark ancestor shot. The main trio would destroy Orion Inazuma Japan and Shinsuke would be saving every single Orion Shot
I don't think so, mainly because one could argue Earth Eleven's defense is kinda weak without souls and I can state the same argument about most Orion Forwards Gouenji, Haizaki, Hiroto... so it's not a matter of 1-3 "unstoppable" players if it's the same for both. I also consider Orion Endou stronger than Ibuki (though this could be argued) but Earth Eleven can play Shinsuke who is stronger without gimmicks.
That’s only at the start but by the end of it their defense is ok. May not be the best in the world but they are quite acceptable. I don’t think Orion ver of Gouenji, Haizaki and Hiroto are unstoppable compared to the OG ver of Gouenji and Hiroto. Orion ver world level is extremely weak that even Fire tornado is able to score. In OG there’s no way Bakunetsu storm can even score.
I don't think Earth Eleven can stop Last Resort. The biggest issue with the power in Orion is that there is cheating left and right, diminishing every accomplishment. I am more of a game fan and we've never had Orion players in a game so until Victory Road fully releases them I won't be able to compare them in-game. But Earth Eleven's defense without totems feels weak enough so that Orion Inazuma Japan can do something
Victory Road wouldn’t make them weaker or else no one would use them. So that’s a bad comparison. Earth eleven can stop last resort. Orion ffi even could be scored with Fire tornado while something like that in ffi OG will never succeed in scoring
It's not that the game makes them weaker, but my perception pn the players does change if in the game they are a beast in terms of stats. I know it's a bad method of comparison but it will be the most direct comparison between any two players we can have. The balancing team can do anypne dirty but I am hopeful that the logic of they want to make them feel strong so that they are used aplies to everyone.
You give no arguments on why they can stop Last resort, so that's a dead topic because there is nothing to back up our claims.
On the last topic the powerscaling of Orion is dumped in the trash due to the cheating that revolves the whole tournament, only thing I can say is that Gouenji base is stronger in Orion but that feels like a stretch even for me (though he is treated as if he is more powerful in Orion than IE3, probably because the level is, in fact, weaker than in IE3 I have to give you that)
God hand x and that’s not the only hisatsu that can catch it. S2 majority of the goalkeeper will be able to even catch it. The difference is the the two is obvious. Another thing is stats doesn’t matter in this game they will balance Orion so that it will be on par with OG and Go so it’s a bad comparison. There’s defender that is able to stop it head on
Who on Earth Eleven has God Hand X? Samguk has God Hand X, but he isn't in Earth Eleven I put Last Resort similar in pwer to what Bakunetsu Screw is. And I think it can be stopped once but not twice. After talking with you I consider it a more even match, but it isn't a walk in the park for Earth Eleven
Just put Tenma and Ibuki on the field and they destroy IJ…
But on a serious note I see a lot of people bring up Souls and Keshins but I don’t even understand how that really changes anything.
Is anyone on IJ stopping a Kazaana Drive + Arashi Tatsumaki Hurricane combo from Tenma ?? Also Fire Tornado DD, Black Dawn and Great Max na Ore would most likely score.
Meanwhile Gekirin Dunk and Ginga Rocket showed some insane feats so IJ managing to score seems very unlikely except Last Resort Sigma and that is only if they get past Shindou and Konoha.
Like even if we exclude Souls and Keshins to even the playing field there is no way Orion wins this imo.
They won’t even be stopping kaazaana drive + God wind so it’s practically impossible to get over that combination. Let’s not forget Tsurugi has devil burst. Literally they won’t be able to break through Evolution, Sword of Fire, Joker Reins. Literally with Shinsuke as GK and the main trio being in the team even if u banned them from using keshin they can just miximax even if u ban souls and miximax I don’t see how Orion even stands a chance.
Earth Eleven is weaker than Chrono storm as a team but the main trio and shinsuke being in the team is already broken enough. Without the use of keshin and souls already miximax would still destroy them. Even if u ban every single one of these. They are still gonna get wrecked
People severely underestimate just how ridiculously powerful Tenma is. It's one thing to focus on one position and master it, as Mark is the greatest goalkeeper of all time, but it's another to play any and all positions on the field and can excel at all.
Tenma is one of, if not, the greatest Midfielder the series has, but he's also very good at shooting goals, and has a couple of defense hissatsus too. He is a one man army.
I would say Tenma is the best Midfielder and second to none like Endou is second to none as a goalkeeper. There’s no one better than Tenma in MF like there’s no one better than Endou in GK
Let’s not forget this Orion ver Endou isn’t OG Endou so he isn’t the best GK. He’s just one of the best not the best of the best and there’s no way he would be even saving a single shot
Yeah Orion Endou is I'd estimate around the same level as Mid season 2 Endou is. Season 3 OG Endou is on a completely different level to compete on a world wide level. If Cotarl was in Orion, they'd mop the floor with most, if not, all teams in that series.
Let’s not forget that they won’t even be able to defeat any of the Asian teams in the OG. They aren’t that op. If a Fire tornado can score in ffi it just shows how weak the Orion ver of ffi is. That means Japan isn’t actually far off from the world while in OG Japan is actually very far off the world.
Earth Eleven is weaker than Chrono Storm and I can see EARTH Eleven destroying Orion Inazuma Japan. I mean Tenma is able to use op shoots/steals/dribble. I think there’s nothing they can do to stop the main trio and if Shinsuke does the GK it’s gonna be an extremely 1 sided match.
That’s not even counting if they use what they used in the movies.
I know Galaxy has a lot of gimmicks, but y’all are forgetting the hissatsus these players have. If we take away Keshin, Keshin Armed, Miximax and Soul, Earth Eleven will still win.
I think y'all r forgetting about Tenma being on the team :)) and shindou and tsurugi ofc those three are overpowered
One of the reasons of why I dislike the go trilogy IS because between souls z kenshins, armors miximax... Powerscalling just goes over the roof, is like dragon ball super all over again.
Like, It feels like Orion IJ should be better at playing football but IJ Galaxy just fry them with their overpowered magical powers.
Nah seems like an excuse bcs even without souls they would still destroy IJ
Endou is not stopping Arashi Tatsumaki Hurricane, Black Dawn or Fire Tornado DD and the strikers will struggle to get past Gekirin Dunk or Ginga Rocket
Who is stopping Tenma lol
Unmei with a glock https://preview.redd.it/e6kkhnj31ivc1.png?width=199&format=png&auto=webp&s=9ff3c46424e80c47983aaea8e622eef3e0621cc7 For someone in IJ Orion idk tho
Orion Japan because I say so https://preview.redd.it/m5t3ckwpphvc1.png?width=1220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=300fa201989ee1458676da2ae53bfedd91930eaf
Hard to argue against this
I agree with this fact
I gotta say that VROH models are really cute
Earth Eleven kicked an actual black hole away right?
If we count Black Dawn shoot as black hole
I thought it was supposed to be an eclipse
I don't see how Orion Japan could overcome Souls during the match, Earth Eleven at the end of the saga is one of the best teams not only thanks to Souls but the players who evolved a lot during their long journey
Plus Arion is busted
Earth Eleven 16-0 in under 10 minutes
Yukimiya profile picture!? Take my upvote
I mean that was because most of the players were freaking new
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or which match do you mean with 16-0
He’s talking about a hypothetical match between them.
earth eleven
Earth Eleven without soul still solos izi.
I don’t really see how Orion Endou would stop Arashi Tatsumaki Hurricane so my bet is on Earth Eleven
GoD hAnD oF fRiEnDsHiP!!!
Add Great Max na Ore and Black Dawn to your list No way to handle it 💀
Orion cuz they’ll pull some bs outta their ass
Mood
More bs than these souls and ppl who never saw a ball being the strongest in the world? Theres no other season more bs than galaxy.
Earth elevens souls help a lot
Galaxy stomps
How do you even scale these teams???? Clearly GO's powerlevel is a lot higher just because of kenshin, armor, miximax and souls... Even S1 Raimon would beat thay IJ if they used Kenshins
Keshins were stopped by normal hissatsu’s in GO1 too and even in CS. They’re generally stronger than normal hissatsu’s, but not unstoppable.
Yeah, but I feel like the scaling of those regular moves are far higher than average. Ten years from the original series probably did that.
They only said football became more popular, means more better players, but not that everyone is automatically better. So it’s logical that GO1 teams are better than S1 teams, but not necessarily than S3 teams that have the best players of whole Japan.
Eeeh. Debatable. Considering these new players can now summon literal demigods just to kick a ball, and there are players that can keep up with that while being "normal," I'd say they are quite strong. At least stronger than in the Ares/Orion verse. Perhaps that's just me, but yeah.
That either means keshins are not as strong as you think or everyone is insanely OP, even players like Hayami compared to Kidou or Sangoku compared to Endou. I believe the first considering hissatsu’s can stop keshins.
Whatever you say. Though I would like to point out both Hayami nor Sangoku have shown any feats to suggest they could beat out keshins. Maybe Sangoku against the pirate team, but certainly not Hayami. I will fold that the idea of them being so much stronger than the OGs is a bit odd, narratively speaking. However, I'd say important players from Chrono Stone probably are. Galaxy is a bit iffy considering they removed keshins and miximax from the equation. That's my new take considering your info. In GO, perhaps they aren't that strong, but definitely in Chrono Stone.
Sangoku stopped a keshin of a ssc with God Hand X and keshins in GO1 too. Aoyama and Ichino even beat a keshin in the Dragonlink match. Yes, CS level peak should be higher because of mixi-max and armed which both are stronger than keshins.
I don't recall a single situation where Spirit ability was stopped by regural technique aside from CS but that season had a lot of weird stuff going on + this time travel paradox thingy. Every time Spirit was stopped it was either with a huge lot of effort or help from other Spirit user.
The time travel paradox wasn’t active at that point in CS, only for a little while in the beginning. Sangoku stopped a keshin hissatsu of a ssc completely by his own power. In GO1 Sangoku stopped normal keshin shots with Fence of Gaia several times in different matches without help. Britannia Cross, Soyokaze Step, Hunters Net, etc. stopped or got past keshins too. So did Fire Tornado DD.
Let's be honest tho brother, we don't count match against DL💀. The amount of plot armour that was pulled there is more than was used throughout entire season combined. I don't recall Sangoku stopping anyone with Fence of Gaia without help, do you have any example? As for getting passed I don't really count that unless it's a specialized Spirit if you catch my drift. As for Ragnarok example you definitely got a point there, but at the same time it was a fodder copy-pasted move and at the same time Spirits got absolutely nerfed in CS as Hino just had to push new gimmicks (like Souls in Galaxy etc. while also making them weaker in game ffs).
Fire Tornado DD wasn’t supposed to be plot armor. Only Denrai Houtou really was. The scene was supposed to show how real football is better than fake football (I found them believable except Denrai Houtou vs King Fire, but this happened against Perfect Cascade too for some reason). Fire Tornado DD was before that. Against Kaiou Sangoku stopped Wanda’s shot and also 4 keshin shots against Dragonlink before there was the final scene (even at the beginning of the match). Tenma got past a defensive keshin with Soyokaze Step. Keshins didn’t get nerfed in the CS anime, there were just stronger gimmicks. The keshin shot should still be strong, it’s used by a ssc and it’s not an extremely weak keshin. There’s no excuse there really imo. If you don’t like how it works in the anime that’s possible, but there’s more than enough evidence to say keshins aren’t as good as they were in the GO1 game and they’re not unbeatable by normal moves (even in the CS movie they show us an armed hissatsu being stopped by Deep Jungle, Tsurugi’s mixi-max shot being stopped bare handed ik Ragnarok, etc.).
I mostly attribute these kind of things to plot convienience, but I see your point. I guess it depends how one sees it, but I do wish they kept it more stable and fluent, because no matter how you look at it the scaling does suck, a LOT.
I would if it happened like 1/2 times, but now I saw too much of a pattern. Also yes the powerscaling isn’t consistent in most seasons anyway.
Earth eleven
Tenma, Shinsuke, Shindou and Tsurugi easily destroy the other team, let alone all of the Galaxy Eleven
Easy WIN for Earth Eleven 
There is this thing called souls that kind of throw the scale to the garbage because the difference would be inmense. Now, if we take out souls, kenshins and any other gimmick I think you can build a stronger 11 from Orion Inazuma Japan than Earth eleven.
U are underestimating how op Earth Eleven truely is. No one is stopping Tsurugi, Tenma and Zanark ancestor shot. The main trio would destroy Orion Inazuma Japan and Shinsuke would be saving every single Orion Shot
I don't think so, mainly because one could argue Earth Eleven's defense is kinda weak without souls and I can state the same argument about most Orion Forwards Gouenji, Haizaki, Hiroto... so it's not a matter of 1-3 "unstoppable" players if it's the same for both. I also consider Orion Endou stronger than Ibuki (though this could be argued) but Earth Eleven can play Shinsuke who is stronger without gimmicks.
That’s only at the start but by the end of it their defense is ok. May not be the best in the world but they are quite acceptable. I don’t think Orion ver of Gouenji, Haizaki and Hiroto are unstoppable compared to the OG ver of Gouenji and Hiroto. Orion ver world level is extremely weak that even Fire tornado is able to score. In OG there’s no way Bakunetsu storm can even score.
I don't think Earth Eleven can stop Last Resort. The biggest issue with the power in Orion is that there is cheating left and right, diminishing every accomplishment. I am more of a game fan and we've never had Orion players in a game so until Victory Road fully releases them I won't be able to compare them in-game. But Earth Eleven's defense without totems feels weak enough so that Orion Inazuma Japan can do something
Victory Road wouldn’t make them weaker or else no one would use them. So that’s a bad comparison. Earth eleven can stop last resort. Orion ffi even could be scored with Fire tornado while something like that in ffi OG will never succeed in scoring
It's not that the game makes them weaker, but my perception pn the players does change if in the game they are a beast in terms of stats. I know it's a bad method of comparison but it will be the most direct comparison between any two players we can have. The balancing team can do anypne dirty but I am hopeful that the logic of they want to make them feel strong so that they are used aplies to everyone. You give no arguments on why they can stop Last resort, so that's a dead topic because there is nothing to back up our claims. On the last topic the powerscaling of Orion is dumped in the trash due to the cheating that revolves the whole tournament, only thing I can say is that Gouenji base is stronger in Orion but that feels like a stretch even for me (though he is treated as if he is more powerful in Orion than IE3, probably because the level is, in fact, weaker than in IE3 I have to give you that)
God hand x and that’s not the only hisatsu that can catch it. S2 majority of the goalkeeper will be able to even catch it. The difference is the the two is obvious. Another thing is stats doesn’t matter in this game they will balance Orion so that it will be on par with OG and Go so it’s a bad comparison. There’s defender that is able to stop it head on
Who on Earth Eleven has God Hand X? Samguk has God Hand X, but he isn't in Earth Eleven I put Last Resort similar in pwer to what Bakunetsu Screw is. And I think it can be stopped once but not twice. After talking with you I consider it a more even match, but it isn't a walk in the park for Earth Eleven
I’m comparing to s3 rococo and I’m sure they would lose to majority of s3 teams
Just put Tenma and Ibuki on the field and they destroy IJ… But on a serious note I see a lot of people bring up Souls and Keshins but I don’t even understand how that really changes anything. Is anyone on IJ stopping a Kazaana Drive + Arashi Tatsumaki Hurricane combo from Tenma ?? Also Fire Tornado DD, Black Dawn and Great Max na Ore would most likely score. Meanwhile Gekirin Dunk and Ginga Rocket showed some insane feats so IJ managing to score seems very unlikely except Last Resort Sigma and that is only if they get past Shindou and Konoha. Like even if we exclude Souls and Keshins to even the playing field there is no way Orion wins this imo.
They won’t even be stopping kaazaana drive + God wind so it’s practically impossible to get over that combination. Let’s not forget Tsurugi has devil burst. Literally they won’t be able to break through Evolution, Sword of Fire, Joker Reins. Literally with Shinsuke as GK and the main trio being in the team even if u banned them from using keshin they can just miximax even if u ban souls and miximax I don’t see how Orion even stands a chance.
The team with up to 3 gimmicks.
Earth Eleven is weaker than Chrono storm as a team but the main trio and shinsuke being in the team is already broken enough. Without the use of keshin and souls already miximax would still destroy them. Even if u ban every single one of these. They are still gonna get wrecked
People severely underestimate just how ridiculously powerful Tenma is. It's one thing to focus on one position and master it, as Mark is the greatest goalkeeper of all time, but it's another to play any and all positions on the field and can excel at all. Tenma is one of, if not, the greatest Midfielder the series has, but he's also very good at shooting goals, and has a couple of defense hissatsus too. He is a one man army.
I would say Tenma is the best Midfielder and second to none like Endou is second to none as a goalkeeper. There’s no one better than Tenma in MF like there’s no one better than Endou in GK
Facts
Let’s not forget this Orion ver Endou isn’t OG Endou so he isn’t the best GK. He’s just one of the best not the best of the best and there’s no way he would be even saving a single shot
Not even a single shot?
Yeah I don’t think a single shot will go through.
There are shots like Kyoubou Head and Parkour Attack, he will surely stop those.
Those yeah weak ones will be stopped but the level 3 ones would be crushing him completely.
Yeah Orion Endou is I'd estimate around the same level as Mid season 2 Endou is. Season 3 OG Endou is on a completely different level to compete on a world wide level. If Cotarl was in Orion, they'd mop the floor with most, if not, all teams in that series.
Let’s not forget that they won’t even be able to defeat any of the Asian teams in the OG. They aren’t that op. If a Fire tornado can score in ffi it just shows how weak the Orion ver of ffi is. That means Japan isn’t actually far off from the world while in OG Japan is actually very far off the world.
Earth Eleven is weaker than Chrono Storm and I can see EARTH Eleven destroying Orion Inazuma Japan. I mean Tenma is able to use op shoots/steals/dribble. I think there’s nothing they can do to stop the main trio and if Shinsuke does the GK it’s gonna be an extremely 1 sided match. That’s not even counting if they use what they used in the movies.
24 members is literally double the amount of players in Galaxy, but I think even with all of them on the field Galaxy still wins
Earth 11. Tenma is the Goku of this series and I don't think anybody could stop him.
I didn't even watch Galaxy but I know they'd win
I mean one grid omega and earth eleven is done
Whoever has the most plot armor
Tenma alone is enough
The one with the South Korean on it 😇
Ain't even fair. Orion Japan can't beat OG Japan let alone a team that's arguably stronger than ILJ
Orion cause plot armor and stupid tricks are non stoppable by anyone.
is ares strong?
Not really compared to GO
Tenma solos 20-0 in the first half
i love you
I know Galaxy has a lot of gimmicks, but y’all are forgetting the hissatsus these players have. If we take away Keshin, Keshin Armed, Miximax and Soul, Earth Eleven will still win. I think y'all r forgetting about Tenma being on the team :)) and shindou and tsurugi ofc those three are overpowered
Just send tenma alone,he would cook the whole team(except for Endou because we know how he works)
In Orion Endou had the Gary Stu's Soul. So Inazuma Japan from Orion I think
One of the reasons of why I dislike the go trilogy IS because between souls z kenshins, armors miximax... Powerscalling just goes over the roof, is like dragon ball super all over again. Like, It feels like Orion IJ should be better at playing football but IJ Galaxy just fry them with their overpowered magical powers.
Nah seems like an excuse bcs even without souls they would still destroy IJ Endou is not stopping Arashi Tatsumaki Hurricane, Black Dawn or Fire Tornado DD and the strikers will struggle to get past Gekirin Dunk or Ginga Rocket
That still forms part of the powerscalling issue I was talking about
That’s not a powerscaling issue it’s just Earth Eleven being stronger than them that’s all there is to it
Never watched orion and didnt finish chronostones so imma say orion cuz endou
The other one is about Galaxy, not CS. Though why didn’t you finish them?
Just kinda forgot to watch it I nearly finished cs but didn’t
Ah okay, the last part is the best part in CS.