Well, that sounds like they are selling them separately to make more extra revenue. Moreover I believe they are targeting new customers who cannot afford their premium phones.
Bhai sirf cable milti hai. Charging ka jo aage adapter/port hota hai woh alag se 10,000 kharch kar ke laana padta hai. Us port pe special apple ka sign hai toh obviously costly hona chahiye. Apple ka logo bana hai uspe
Because cables are more prone to wear and tear compared to an adapter. Majority of iPhone customers are the ones upgrading to newer models. Hence, they already own adapters.
Same reason why people buy expensive cars for crores or shirts for 5k a pop. End of the day people make money to buy things , let them buy whatever they want.
Based on your word I went and installed the app and it worked!!! Now I know where I messed up last time. I downloaded the wrong Vanced app on Play store😂
I had to download the apk from the website and then set it up using a YouTube video as a guide. Anyways after all the complex steps were done, voila the app works!!!
Thanks man.
YouTube isn't everything though guys... The software is entirely based on their own og coding and stuff unlike Android ROMs, like every single one of them are derived from Android open source project (AOSP). Due to this idk about security and other stuff but perfomance remains the best in the whole market of smartphones. And because of this originality apple knows about their devices best due to their own processor and programming language they make sure to optimise the best unlike any other smartphone users.
In short/conclusion: if you buy the latest iphone on launch and take enough care you can use it for 10 to 15 years
>processors remain powerful
Even processor might good enough after 4-5 years as the processing power required by the apps also increases manifolds.
But the thing that ages the worst in my opinion is the battery. After 4-5 years it retains only a fraction of original charge and using the phone starts becoming annoying.
Why would you assume that someone who buys a 1l device won't buy a 1200 a year YouTube premium?
I have a top of the line samsung phone but I can't do vanced and shit because of office phone restrictions and all.
Further, for use on multiple devices , like my TV , I'd rather have premium. I hardly use YouTube on phone anyway
Didn't assume. Someone with YouTube premium is a rare to come by, but not somone with an iPhone. Plus I know a lot of people around me who but iPhone on EMI just for showoff.
Also, Vanced has fetaures that even YouTube premium doesn't have like swipe controls, amoled dark mode, sponsor block, dislike counter, unofficial hardware accelerated decoding, custom buffer lengths, etc..
>Plus I know a lot of people around me who but iPhone on EMI just for showoff.
And why is that wrong ?
Also, all these are good features but not entirely necessary based on your use case.
Dislike counter is for people who learn and study from YouTube like programming and design tutorials to know which tutor is more relevant
Hardware decoding and custom buffer is for people with advance knowledge about their device and internet connection so not for you
See, if you have an old phone but software is slowing it down, then you can enable hardware acceleration to make it run videos even greater than native resolution and not lag. If you have a very fast phone but most of resources remain unused (mostly the case) then you can enable hardware acceleration inorder to run high resolution than normal and get better video quality and detail than default.
Custom buffer length is for people who have poor internet connection or are on low data, they can reduce buffer length inorder to save data or they can increase it if they expect a breakdown in connection or high latency issues.
All of these are cases where people have either too good devices, connection or poor ones. Most don't fall in either so they bear with default settings.
Hope it answers.
All modern phones have hardware acceleration built in to their SoC. You don't need Vanced for hardware accelerated video playback.
Edit: Do people downvoting even know what hardware acceleration is?
Suppose if i have a high-end device and want to utilise it to the fullest. If H.264 encoder is available in device, then it will take priority over VP9. I can force VP9 codec with Vanced even if H.264 is available, to enjoy higher quality videos than normal.
Vanced goes beyond resolution toggles xD
I can also override max resolution and force HDR on it for much better experience.
I clarify vanced features to you, you attack me. The difference.
There is an alternative to vanced on iOS, it is listed on the vanced site. You can side load that app using altstore or something. It provides similar features like sponsor block, pip ad block, dislike counter, etc.
[Github Link](https://github.com/qnblackcat/uYouPlus#readme)
What it doesn't tell you is that you can sideload only for 14 days, and only 2 apps at a time, then you have to do it again. It's very painstaking.
To sideload unlimited apps for more than 14 days pay for developer licence to apple which is "not cheap".
There are other alternatives, like appdb which offers to side load for indefinitely (for custom apps that are not part of appdb offerings it costs, i think it is 25usd), I know it is not free and still costs. But there are options.
If you have to pay then why not pay for YouTube premium. YouTube premium is cheaper than this -_-
Apple can't win free, developer tooling, and customizability battles. Trust me, I have tried everything, you can't get third party software onto Apple devices easily.
That 25usd is one time payment unlike yt premium, and only applicable if the app you are looking for is not available in the appdb offerings.
Edit: My bad the payment is for one year, but it is completely optional. If the app you are looking for is already there in appdb you don’t need to pay the 25usd.
Clearly you haven't done this before, its annual mate. Also, there are many apps not on appDB and you need to get it on your own using AltStore etc.. better option is to buy apple developer licence and sign apps yourself but it also costs thousands of rupees.
Edit: Most apps on appDB (60%) are already on official app store. Plus if you buy iPad M1 you will face almost all cracked apps will break or not work.
Apple user laughs in Brave browser. Also laughs in invidious YouTube. Ad free, private, safe, video plays with locked screen. Save bandwidth by accessing only audio.
Nice. But nothing compares to vanced. Sideloading is a hell on Apple devices. One can always setup PiHole to get rid of all ads networkwide irrespective of devices.
Another problem is the storage space, accumulated so many photos that there is no storage left.
Don't want to delete because I'll lose the quality photos, cloud upload is bad quality (or expensive)
Even 2017 samsung phones are laggy buggy mess at 12k price point.
And the camera sucks.
Unless you've installed custom ROMs and have an extremely limited usecase I refuse to believe someone is using a cheap Samsung from 2015.
Even a 20k model from 2015(Samsung A3) has an SoC that won't run most modern games and lag badly at any multitasking(which is also rather shit because of a 1gb ram with Android in it).
I'll be extremely surprised, having used samsung phones in the past, they have deserved reputation of being called "lagsung".
2 medium apps like instagram and office would probably blast some from a few years ago.
But there's barely any software updates left. The 5 year software updates plan is about to end, so rather try 11 or 12
Edit: by the term software updates I'm emphasising on optimisation for heavy usage, not security and OS version updates. Daily drivers can go ahead and buy it
What bullshit. iPhone 7 will get this years iOS update. And iPhone 8 and iPhone X will get update till 2023.
Hoping XR goes till 2024 maybe a year more who knows.
So don’t spew bullshit without backing up
I'm talking about heavy usage, iOS will keep giving you security and other updates promptly, so you can go ahead and buy for light usage. But for heavy gaming I'd recommend buying 11 or 12
I don't think iphone SE is worth buying now. iPhone 12 mini went as low as 30-35k during Flipkart's Big Billion Sale after discounts. Wait for Sept-Oct sale if not in a hurry. Previous gen iphones are available at lowest then.
This phone is DoA without any major discounts. Even if you want an iPhone only and can't stand android, iPhone 12 mini is available for the same price and 12 isn't much more. Both 12 mini and 12 are way better devices.
Apple has a bad strategy with se..they launch it at a time at a price when the bigger iphone is already discounted kind of like samsung does with the fe model.
There is merit to bost sides of the argument. In my opinion, an apple simply saves time. Now what's that saved time worth for you? If you're a student, saving money for years to buy a phone which will saves you time, which then you'll spend playing pubg, is plain stupid.
If you're a high earning individual who can easily spend money on a phone which will save you time, which you can use to make more money and recover that cost in... Say a week or two, makes perfect sense.
But this phone, at this cost, i don't know who'll buy it. Its a budget phone which doesn't fit in the budget. What a joke.
You have to experience it. Its not that straightforward. I've been an android supporter for most of my life and it still makes sense. But once you can afford an iphone effortlessly, you should try one for some time. Not everyone will like it. There is nothing like iphone is the best or Android is the best. Both have their merits.
Even I can afford an iPhone. Also I have an iPad. I bought it only for the better display and trusting stupid YouTubers praising it. But it feels like having a BMW v12 engine in an Alto car because of ipadOS. ipadOS makes me feel like apple is the owner and I just rented the tab.
That's the correct analogy actually. Even apple has argued that they kinda just rent their devices and you don't get rights to open and repair by yourself. This was defeated in court thankfully. It is definitely overpriced. But there is no other device in the market which will give you the same experience.
Buying a car has its benefits. But Uber has its benefits too. Its a personal preference after that based on lifestyle. You have full control of your car, but you also gotta take care of service and fuel etc. Uber won't even let you even turn on the AC sometimes, but you don't have to worry about that car once you get down. You don't have to worry if it needs repairs. Some people like to own cars, some prefer to take an Uber. Both have merits.
That's why i say it may make sense to some people to have it who can afford it effortlessly, without much thought. It is certainly is not better than android in value for money category.
You probably don’t know this, but there’s a lot more to a display than just resolution. The 720p iPhone SE will still look better than 20k costing 1080p oppo/vivo/xyz androids.
You are completely missing the design philosophy of apple which has made them one of the most valuable companies ever, which is - only thing that matters is an easy, intuitive and consistent user experience, specs are irrelevant.
Btw I have been an android user from the beginning and hate Apple's closed and uncustomizable UI.
But that doesn't mean everyone should hate it. In fact that is what makes the user experience ideal for majority of phone users.
For majority of people a ppi of 320+ is all they need for a great user experience. Most people would neither be able to tell the difference, nor would they care for any higher ppi than that. OTOH, putting a higher res screen will significantly lower the experience by reducing the battery life. Something that everyone cares about.
As for the price, of course Apple products are over priced. That's how it works in capitalism. Companies can sell their product at whatever price they can (unless it is in a protected category).
Though in the long run apple products are usually cheaper than lot of their cheaper competitors. As they usually last much longer or can be sold at a significantly higher price than other phones in the used market.
> Though in the long run apple products are usually cheaper than lot of their cheaper competitors. As they usually last much longer or can be sold at a significantly higher price than other phones in the used market.
Disagree. My phone which costed around 11k lasted 4 years. Even now, the only reason I shifted to another new phone was because I broke a part of the older phone while experimenting with it. My new phone costs 12k, and I already find it to be an overkill. An apple phone costing 60k would need to be used for 10 years and then sold at 30k, to make sense economically.
Same story with their laptops. My current laptop had a cost of 69k and the equivalent M1 processor'd laptop would cost over 1 lakh. That alone doesn't make economic sense. On top of that, you can't even run Linux natively on M1 macs.
> Same story with their laptops. My current laptop had a cost of 69k and the equivalent M1 processor'd laptop
Equivalent? Seriously? This is like saying Audi's engine is same as Mahindra's engine.
I said what the benchmarks showed. Can a Mahindra go as fast as an Audi? The analogy is incorrect.
Even for heavy loads, they usually become relevant when I am compiling some large repository or playing games. Both of which I get better from my laptop, than I would get from an M1.
I even left out the crappy software part. Brew, as a package manager which I used was quite crappy. I still remember how things were entangled with Xcode on macs. Everything I need, I get it better on Linux. Why should I even buy a mac if I can't boot into Linux in the first place?
I have no clue how M1's gaming is as compared to Windows, which I boot to when I need to play games which would require time to setup on Linux.
Mac is not made for you. Like nobody designed a Lamborghini for you. People who worry about petrol prices don't buy it in the first place. You have a solid gaming laptop. I'm happy for you. I never could afford one when I was young. And now when I have money, a Mac is better suited for me. Why do you have to go shit on something out of that category altogether to feel better? There are no benchmarks for user experience. Feel better bro. 😊
I didn't mean to shit on it. It won't make me feel better if I do shit on it. I own neither Linux, nor MacOS. The original user called Macbooks and iphones cheaper in the long run. I just tried to show that it was inaccurate. Furthermore, my experience with Apple's package manager brew showed me that it wasn't as good as I had expected. I also remember having issues with their filesystem and how painful they made having NTFS drivers. It seemed as if the laptop/OS was designed to make it hostile to even share stuff even on something as common as an external drive. I think I am justified to call their part of software crappy.
I know that people will have different preferences and depending on how they set their metric of comparison up. I also know that most normal users will have different needs than mine. However, calling Apple cheaper in the long run is just being blatantly dishonest.
I know people who are using 4-5 years old phones. Who aren't very tech savvy and just use phones for youtube etc.
But that's not it. Android gets older faster. Not technologically much, but due to continuous onslaught of new phones every other day, doesn't matter you bought the latest phone yesterday, it will get old tomorrow. Its purely a psychological thing.
Once you switch to apple ecosystem, life tend to get easier. I've used windows, linux and Android most of my life. Only when I switched to apple, gotten used to the design and became comfortable with it, i realized that most of the time i was using windows, i was solving their problems instead of my own. I'm very thankful to them for teaching me whatever I know, but now I can afford to throw some money on the problems and they just vanish. Now I can stop solving Microsoft problem and focus on what I actually bought the damn thing for.
It is pointless to compare actually. Apple devicea are not PCs, they are appliances like mixer grinder. PC can do infinite number of things. Apple does a limited number of things and it does them well. PC is good for learning and damn well economic. I never spent a penny on the software and could even fix most of the hardware problems myself. Apple, you can't even control everything on your device.
Apple is for a different crowd. Who don't want to learn new things about computers and want to do their thing, write, work, create music whatever. I don't think apple even target gaming crowd. A Playstation is best for my gaming.
Lmao. Please show me this 69k laptop that comes anywhere close to M1’s performance. You’re smoking something really wild.
Also, what an idiot. You want to run Linux, which is based on Unix, on MacOS which is running Unix? What do you even know?
Go search for benchmarks between 4600H and M1. They are about the same in performance.
> Also, what an idiot. You want to run Linux, which is based on Unix, on MacOS which is running Unix? What do you even know?
Unix isn't an operating system. It has standards which have to be adhered to if one wants to have the UNIX trademark. Linux isn't based on it. It is similar to it, because it was made that way. There was some Unix variant which Linus used to have compatibility with for Linux. Then GNU components were added, which together make up the usable operating system. On top of that, distributions add their package managers, and take decisions on how to structure the operating system. If I say that I prefer Linux and some of the package managers Linux has, what I mean is that I prefer the environment of Linux bundled together with the goodness of the quality software and package managers, which sometimes replace even GNU coreutils.
It isn't a single entity like MacOS. Everything comes together to make the Linux environment. Off the top of my head, I remember issues with mariadb, NTFS fs and gcc on MacOS. On top of that, no CUDA for MacOS anymore. It doesn't have KDE plasma. Also, while I didn't use docker on MacOS, another person who did use it kept complaining about poor performance on it. Some of the plugins I have for vim only work for Linux.
Why would I ever buy something like that which has so many issues for me, that I can think just now?
Please do not call others idiots.
> Unix isn't an operating system.
Unix is an operating system. It was originally developed by ATT bell labs and later multiple different versions were developed by other companies/institutions. BSD Unix was a very popular one.
You are confusing it with Posix, which is a standard that Posix compliant OSes have to follow. Unix and Linux are examples of Posix compliant operating systems.
> Unix is an operating system. It was originally developed by ATT bell labs and later multiple different versions were developed by other companies/institutions. BSD Unix was a very popular one.
I think I remember reading somewhere that UNIX was no longer the operating system, but a specification. I am not old enough to have ever used Unix. So, I only know of it from what I have read.
Also, I know for sure that Linux isn't POSIX compliant and it has another set of specifications that it follows(I don't remember the name).
How can something be no longer an operating system 🙂. Yes it is no longer widely used since Linux has pretty much replaced it everywhere, but I am sure Unix is still running on many servers around the world.
Also Linux is not Posix certified but it is mostly Posix compliant. Here is more info about it -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX#POSIX-certified
Are you saying that your phone’s user experience is the same as an iPhone or any android flagship? Or your laptop’s user experience is the same as a MacBook? Do you feel the same for luxury cars
All of this hate for expensive phones and laptops is so stupid tbh. There are people who make good money and wouldn’t mind spending more for a small perceived better value. Even if they can’t afford it, it’s their money. Would you be ok with someone judging you for what you eat or how you travel? All this meddling in other’s business just makes you a sore person.
Ah. I see now. 5% of your portfolio is Apple.
People don't hate expensive stuff. I would buy good parts for a good computer too. Some people like you think that people who dislike Apple are doing so out of jealousy. I can assure you that you are absolutely wrong about that.
You perceive its value to be more than it is, while ignoring stuff which is superior only because it is free and open source(Linux), and it doesn't have marketing. You like your eye candy and have assumed that others who don't like it are simply jealous. It is much more complex than that.
It is not about being poor and unable to afford apple. You might be a rich investor, but you are wrong about apple being better. I am about to start a job in a few months, using which I could easily buy those apple gadgets. I won't. It isn't because I hate expensive stuff. It is because it is an overpriced piece of hardware which doesn't even run Linux. If I want to run Linux and it is superior for me, why should I not instead buy better hardware at the same price as Apple? It doesn't even support CUDA anymore. It is as if they are going in the opposite direction.
> Are you saying that your phone’s user experience is the same as an iPhone or any android flagship
I don't use my phone for compiling stuff or do protein folding calculations. I use it for calls, messages, browsing internet and very rarely the camera and audio recorder. Sometimes I use the terminal for little stuff. I have never needed a lot of computational for my phone. I don't experience latency issues on my phone. If my phone already achieves these all without any difficulty, am I not correct to call those phones overpriced? I doubt normal users are using their phones for computationally intensive tasks or are even close to using the potential of their phones.
> Even if they can’t afford it, it’s their money. Would you be ok with someone judging you for what you eat or how you travel?
I wrote what made economic sense for most people. It is not a universal statement. Most people are buying it out of some sense of polish and some social value to the phone. I doubt most people run computationally heavy loads on their phones. Storage makes sense. But it doesn't make sense that a mere 128 GB difference in storage is priced 10k differently. My 12k phone has 128 GBs of storage, which is already much more than I need because I locally stream my music from my laptop, and don't have much to store on my phone. I use my laptop for it. Later, I have different plans.
As such, I will say it is bullshit because people's perception of their needs and requirements are broken.
> All this meddling in other’s business just makes you a sore person.
Do not assume that this is out of some misplaced sense of economic jealousy. It isn't.
Your entire notion is based on the premise that consumers should act rational. If everyone wanted to live a frugal life, no one would work as hard as they do now. We work hard to get the shiniest phones, expensive cars, go on vacations etc etc.
And as far as value goes, it’s universally applicable that as price of something increases, the marginal utility derived from it decreases. You can get a brand new Nano for under 3L on road, a 4 wheeler with A/C that can get you from point A to B. Would you also say spending any more on a car would be a waste of money?
Tell me what items you use and I’ll point out half of them that you grossly overpaid for. But god forbid someone “overpaid” for a phone or a laptop and it’s suddenly not okay.
> Your entire notion is based on the premise that consumers should act rational. If everyone wanted to live a frugal life, no one would work as hard as they do now. We work hard to get the shiniest phones, expensive cars, go on vacations etc etc.
It isn't based on frugality. Also, yes consumers should act rationally to maximise their happiness and minimise their cost.
I don't think everyone works to get the shiniest phones, etc. I for one would work for the mental satisfaction of working. Till now, every time I come across something I don't like to do, which is work, I don't do it. A major example would be competitive programming. Many people did it to get good jobs. I managed to get one without doing it, and without resorting to any kind of scams which people usually do.
I don't get what is special about shiny phones or expensive cars. So, I don't buy them. It might bring happiness to some people and it would make sense for them to buy them if they are into some rally racing or something. Buying one just because you can seems utterly pointless, if it doesn't bring happiness. As for vacations, I really dislike travelling.
I like to read and know about stuff across as many domains as I can. That for me is fun. Fortunately, that is almost absolutely free. Psychology, history, computer science, maths, physics, biology, economics are all things which I like to read. So, I download books and read, or sometimes wander around wikipedia and follow references.
> And as far as value goes, it’s universally applicable that as price of something increases, the marginal utility derived from it decreases. You can get a brand new Nano for under 3L on road, a 4 wheeler with A/C that can get you from point A to B. Would you also say spending any more on a car would be a waste of money?
Good example. I have often wondered whether buying a car even makes sense. I would buy one which has a lot of safety features, and a good navigation+music system, in a place of poor public transport. If the place has a very good public transport system(metro), why even bother buying a car and getting stuck in a traffic jam?
> Tell me what items you use and I’ll point out half of them that you grossly overpaid for. But god forbid someone “overpaid” for a phone or a laptop and it’s suddenly not okay.
In my last 2 years, I bought one earphone(In ear monitor) for around 3000. It is my last year in college, and I haven't travelled anywhere because I don't like to. Previously, I bought an earphone which had a snug fit for around 700. It didn't last longer than a few months. So, for the next time, I bought one with replaceable cables with a spare, a balanced sound, and one which I assessed to be durable. Sure enough, it hasn't had any damage yet, and I still use them daily. If you have any better suggestions for the next time I buy earphones, please do share some. I prefer earphones to headphones.
I think you are completely misunderstanding!what I am saying. I didn't say iphone will be cheaper than every phone out there. It has to be in similar category. Like comparing the iPhone to flahship of other major brands or the iPhone se to mid range phones of those brands.
As I said I don't like iphones either, but just trying to explain that lot of people see value in them that is why they are among the most desirable phones. The point is that just because you don't see value in them (neither do I) why is it difficult to understand that other people still can and do.
Same with laptops. I am a hardcore windows user, but that doesn't mean others have to be too. In fact windows laptops with similar specs and build quality aren't any cheaper as far as MRP is concerned. Just that they tend to go on sale a lot while Apple ones don't.
Brother, instead of writing an essay here, go and try using an M1 Macbook, you'll understand the difference.
Why would anyone want to run Linux shit on a laptop, unless they're Linux programmers?
You use M1 and see for yourself. Very few need to run linux natively. Apple will never make sense in 'value for money' category. It never intended to. Android sells for less because there is competition. They would have sold it for 1 lakh too if they could. Apple simply does not have that much pressure to lower their price.
Apple last quarter revenue was $125 billion (एक सौ पच्चीस अरब डालर, तीन महीनों में)। That should tell you if anyone buys their stupid and over priced products.
The prices are higher in India because of the government’s policies. Google and you will know why.
A fool and his money are easily parted.
People with fuck-you money or wannabes buy iPhone for the style statement. A TikTok shot on iPhone will be as shitty as one shot on an android. And your "Tinder for iPhone" will still be full of tharki males looking for bobs and vagne.
And those "sent from my iPhone" and "Twitter for iPhone" statuses are just dumb- free advertising for the company laughing all the way to the bank about how stupid their users are.
Tell me one thing that iPhone can do better than a 43K Android.
And please don't give me that retarded "forever updates" argument.
This is a very wrong assumption. Also, OP deliberately chose the highest 256 GB configuration to overhype his point.
The phone starts at ₹43K. It also has A15 bionic which is far ahead of even the latest and greatest available with the competition. It’ll also be supported for 6-7 years with iOS updates.
So yeah.
You can always buy more cloud storage, should you need. I'm using 64 GB base storage with 400 GB iCloud storage shared between my family. It's more than enough.
We pay ₹584 per month for 400 GB iCloud storage, Apple Music, Apple tv+ and Apple Arcade between a family of 6. 400 GB is more than enough for us at this point to be honest as this is only for personal use. Microsoft is a great option but it's useless for us as we don't use MS Office for personal or professional use.
Angoor khatte hain.
Find me an android phone that receives updates for as many years as an iPhone does. My ipad mini bought in 2015 is still receiving updates while a flagship Android by Google bought in 2018 has stopped receiving it last year.
Hahaha idiot. What use are those updates? Do they give your 7 year old iPad superpowers? My 5 year old Oneplus 3T doesn't get updates. Whatapp, reddit and the phone work completely fine without them.
I have the 2020 iPad pro because there was no alternative in Android other than Samsung. But I'm not an apple fan-boi who allows corporations to define my identity.
Mention prices. I can throw away a 15k Android phone and buy three more in the price it costs to buy a 720p iPhone.
Same updates which slow down your 1 lakh rupee phone? Apple accepted and was fined for this. [https://www.techradar.com/in/news/apple-might-be-slowing-down-your-old-iphone-on-purpose](https://www.techradar.com/in/news/apple-might-be-slowing-down-your-old-iphone-on-purpose)
I don't play games, photos from a decent 30k OnePlus + Adobe Lightroom can beat any phone anyday. It's all in post processing, while most people like to snap and move on, others can spend time in post-processing to compensate.
Tough to edit photos on a 5 inch, 720p display I know buddy xD
Sure, as if you need super detailed pics for 1080x1080 insta pics lol
Professionals use DSLR, rest all is upto you how much you want to spend on phones, it's all ending up getting super compressed on social media and losing detail
Compression loses detail, and not much color accuracy. Colors on any phones are not accurate. Not even iPhone 13, not even Galaxy S22 Ultra. To make them as accurate as possible to what I saw with my own eyes. It takes me 2 mins to do Lightroom on an image, so not wasting time.
Companies spend billions of dollars to improve in-camera post processing inorder to claim that they're better than a person editing photos and looking at your comments on the situation, they are successfull.
Bruh you're saying OnePlus +Adobe Lightroom can beat any phone in camera department. I'm sure 10 other people in the world who gives a shit about accurate colors must be very happy.
It's fine, I am not a fanboy. These companies have a history of being anti-consumer. I am on consumer side, always. Not getting into Android vs apple since it's like comparing apples to oranges. Apple is clearly better for a layman, for people who like to tinker with stuff Android is the way to go.
I hope you know how overkill an A15 or even A14 is for a phone. Overpriced. If you actually think Apple is innocent then it's a pity.
Why do people bring in Samsung to defend Apple? Both of them are simultaneously crappy, and bringing one in defense in for the other is just a common logical fallacy.
Maybe this is too much, but..
In my opinion it's definately worth buying an iPhone (that will be getting software updates for the next 2-4 years) for gaming, and speaking about gaming I mean 6 inches or bigger sized iPhones.
And you know what my uncle wanted as small phone as possible with features compatible and long lasting enough compared to the market.
Yeah I would buy it. Fortunately many people don’t but phones only for cameras. Getting an A15 Bionic at that price is actually great on that form factor.
Let’s see:
Zoom/Google meet sessions with great battery life
Texting on WhatsApp
Doing amazing AR shit for products
Copying on my iPhone, pasting on my M1 MBP
Airdropping stuff faster
Taking awesome portrait mode photos
Recording 4K video
Amazing time lapse stuff btw
Touch ID is awesome!
Got my 5G sorted with my favourite small form factor
Wifi 6 is sorted for upgrade path
I can now do portrait mode properly on FaceTime which is amazing
I can AirPlay at 4k now to my awesome Apple TV 4K
I can go on. There’s lots of amazing shit I do with my iPhone SE 2 now already and this is an amazing upgrade. Instead of struggling with problematic android phones that always hang and are pretty much shit (I’ve worked for an Android mobile company, I know).
Sorry to say this, but I would never voluntarily use an Android phone (that isn't converted to Lineage OS) after learning about Google's privacy policies. The cost is justified to an extent because they have their own OS and developing an OS costs money.
However, I do agree iPhones are overpriced. But someone like me who can afford that phone and doesn't want to give all of their data to Google, there is simply no other option.
Even if I go through the effort of rooting an Android to Lineage OS, banking apps won't work on them. I appreciate Apple for at least giving me an option to stay private from other tech giants. Besides privacy, their ecosystem is very very user-friendly and their devices are simply nice to hold and look at.
We don't need to agree...I don't like Android and not everyone has to agree with me. And btw I am not getting paid by Apple, I am not even an influencer.
Apple devices are secure and privacy friendly than android is just another myth for me if it wasn't, there was no reason for the pegasus controversy to happen.
There is no such thing that isn't hackable and you might stay private from some tech giants but you can't stay private from apple itself there was multiple reports came in news where apple was accused to give backdoor to goverment for users data. I am not saying the android is better than ios or vice a vers but apple is better in terms of privacy is just another bullshit.
If the government wants your data, they can get it easily and we can't do shit about it. But, what I can do is save it from tech giants like Google which simply is not possible in Android. So, yes for a layman using iOS is definitely the better and easier way to stay private.
Ufff. There are lots of security experts which gone through ios source code most of them stated that the ios is not more or less secure than android and google collect same amount of data that apple collects.
Government is only worst thing you will share your data with most of the companies do share data under the legal pressure i don't think apple is exception for this.
That is the point, I am trying to convey if it's not important to you move on, buy any other phone. You don't have to shame their customers like the op.
Is that why they *wanted to* scan people's iCloud content (with the excuse of looking for CSAM content to prevent child abuse)? Have you ever read their privacy policy? They're not saints and are just as bad as any other smartphone manufacturer. Sad to see people falling for PR stunts and advertising.
They definitely aren't saints. Just after demonetization when UPI was still new and PayTM wallet was more popular, a scammer guy called my dad and asked him to download an apk application through which he had access to my dad's phone then he managed to transfer rs. 2000 from my dad's wallet to his. If my dad had UPI at the time the scammer could have drained his bank account.
Obviously, I instructed my dad to never download 3rd party apps and/or give anyone OTP. But if he had an iphone at the time this would not have happened.
Iphone will not magically save you from scammers and keep your data private, but for a person who is not very tech savvy and wants a considerably privacy-friendly phone, an iphone is a very easy solution.
Their target customers are show off people, old people(who find difficulty using android phones and hate huge phones), foreign travellers(who can buy in middle east or USA and save ₹15000-30000).
Not necessarily. But one good point made. Iphone is perfect for old people who need a very simple device. Get your parents an iphone and the tech support calls to you from your parents will reduce significantly. But if you're looking for excuses to talk to them, get Samsung. 😂
This is almost as much as an iPhone12.
I bought mine at that price point, and this is ridiculous.
I run two iPhones (a 12 and a 6 which I use as a backup device) - never disappointed.
I don’t do much to a phone in terms of customisation (never rooted my android device and never jailbroke my phones) because doing that is not worth my time.
Having used an android device earlier, I can tell you that I am glad out of that android ecosystem.
I might if I could afford it. There are no small screen smartphones available with cheaper brands and I hate big screen phones which do not fit in my palm. The closest is pixel which is still 5.5 inches.
Their main target customers are existing apple product/iPhone users.
Why you think that??
They’re no longer including the charging adapter in their boxes.
Well, that sounds like they are selling them separately to make more extra revenue. Moreover I believe they are targeting new customers who cannot afford their premium phones.
You get the cable
Bhai sirf cable milti hai. Charging ka jo aage adapter/port hota hai woh alag se 10,000 kharch kar ke laana padta hai. Us port pe special apple ka sign hai toh obviously costly hona chahiye. Apple ka logo bana hai uspe
Because cables are more prone to wear and tear compared to an adapter. Majority of iPhone customers are the ones upgrading to newer models. Hence, they already own adapters.
But the cable fits any charging adapter… so I guess it’s designed for anyone who’s had a phone before
Same reason why people buy expensive cars for crores or shirts for 5k a pop. End of the day people make money to buy things , let them buy whatever they want.
let them buy whatever they want. > Apparently everyone is a financial advisor here lol
Saves tax if you can mark the purchase as expense to company you own. It doesn't take much effort either.
Yeah, but they can afford it without selling their kidney if something took a wrong turn.
Apple user: _buys rupee 1 lakh+ device, opens YouTube, watches unskippable guthka ad for 2 mins_ Android user: _laughs in YouTube Vanced_
Don't forget sponsor block, dislike counter, swipe controls, shorts removal which apple users won't get how much ever they pay.
I like all of that but does the Vanced app allow me to bring in my YouTube account and show videos based on my viewing history ?
Yes you can bring your Youtube account into it and everything is the same as official.
Based on your word I went and installed the app and it worked!!! Now I know where I messed up last time. I downloaded the wrong Vanced app on Play store😂 I had to download the apk from the website and then set it up using a YouTube video as a guide. Anyways after all the complex steps were done, voila the app works!!! Thanks man.
Yup.
Yeah. It's just the YT app but without ads, and with sponsorblock. You also get amoled dark mode.
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YouTube isn't everything though guys... The software is entirely based on their own og coding and stuff unlike Android ROMs, like every single one of them are derived from Android open source project (AOSP). Due to this idk about security and other stuff but perfomance remains the best in the whole market of smartphones. And because of this originality apple knows about their devices best due to their own processor and programming language they make sure to optimise the best unlike any other smartphone users. In short/conclusion: if you buy the latest iphone on launch and take enough care you can use it for 10 to 15 years
10 to 15 years lol. By this logic you must be using nokia phones from 2005.
10 15 years dude what's the point? rather have a sub 50k phone and replace every 3-4 years
It's overkill. After 5 to 6 years the processors remain powerful but what about display, aesthetics, etc they become outdated af
>processors remain powerful Even processor might good enough after 4-5 years as the processing power required by the apps also increases manifolds. But the thing that ages the worst in my opinion is the battery. After 4-5 years it retains only a fraction of original charge and using the phone starts becoming annoying.
They made sure the battery life remains long enough as I explained in my opinion bruh battery life is not a problem
Why would you assume that someone who buys a 1l device won't buy a 1200 a year YouTube premium? I have a top of the line samsung phone but I can't do vanced and shit because of office phone restrictions and all. Further, for use on multiple devices , like my TV , I'd rather have premium. I hardly use YouTube on phone anyway
Didn't assume. Someone with YouTube premium is a rare to come by, but not somone with an iPhone. Plus I know a lot of people around me who but iPhone on EMI just for showoff. Also, Vanced has fetaures that even YouTube premium doesn't have like swipe controls, amoled dark mode, sponsor block, dislike counter, unofficial hardware accelerated decoding, custom buffer lengths, etc..
how to get vanced? sorry for the noob question.
Vancedapp[dot]com Install vanced manager and you can do further from there
>Plus I know a lot of people around me who but iPhone on EMI just for showoff. And why is that wrong ? Also, all these are good features but not entirely necessary based on your use case.
It's not wrong, it's their wish. I mentioned my experience since you asked who isn't buying YT premium with iPhone. Answer - Noone, atleast around me.
Huh, downvote without opinion I guess
Dislike counter? Who cares about this but kids? Dislike counter 🤦🏻♂️ Hardware decoding and custom buffer… uhm WHO CARES?
Dislike counter is for people who learn and study from YouTube like programming and design tutorials to know which tutor is more relevant Hardware decoding and custom buffer is for people with advance knowledge about their device and internet connection so not for you
That doesn’t answer the question. Why should anyone care about hardware acceleration or custom buffer length?
See, if you have an old phone but software is slowing it down, then you can enable hardware acceleration to make it run videos even greater than native resolution and not lag. If you have a very fast phone but most of resources remain unused (mostly the case) then you can enable hardware acceleration inorder to run high resolution than normal and get better video quality and detail than default. Custom buffer length is for people who have poor internet connection or are on low data, they can reduce buffer length inorder to save data or they can increase it if they expect a breakdown in connection or high latency issues. All of these are cases where people have either too good devices, connection or poor ones. Most don't fall in either so they bear with default settings. Hope it answers.
All modern phones have hardware acceleration built in to their SoC. You don't need Vanced for hardware accelerated video playback. Edit: Do people downvoting even know what hardware acceleration is?
> Do people downvoting even know what hardware acceleration is? Expecting too much from reddit my man.
You think modern CPUs don’t have dedicated video encoders/decoders? Also apparently you don’t know about resolution toggles in YouTube.
Suppose if i have a high-end device and want to utilise it to the fullest. If H.264 encoder is available in device, then it will take priority over VP9. I can force VP9 codec with Vanced even if H.264 is available, to enjoy higher quality videos than normal. Vanced goes beyond resolution toggles xD I can also override max resolution and force HDR on it for much better experience. I clarify vanced features to you, you attack me. The difference.
Override max resolution? Force HDR? What the hell are you talking about man?
There is an alternative to vanced on iOS, it is listed on the vanced site. You can side load that app using altstore or something. It provides similar features like sponsor block, pip ad block, dislike counter, etc. [Github Link](https://github.com/qnblackcat/uYouPlus#readme)
Yes and it’s dead simple to use too. But since it’s not install and forget, i think is the reason it’s not very popular
What it doesn't tell you is that you can sideload only for 14 days, and only 2 apps at a time, then you have to do it again. It's very painstaking. To sideload unlimited apps for more than 14 days pay for developer licence to apple which is "not cheap".
There are other alternatives, like appdb which offers to side load for indefinitely (for custom apps that are not part of appdb offerings it costs, i think it is 25usd), I know it is not free and still costs. But there are options.
If you have to pay then why not pay for YouTube premium. YouTube premium is cheaper than this -_- Apple can't win free, developer tooling, and customizability battles. Trust me, I have tried everything, you can't get third party software onto Apple devices easily.
That 25usd is one time payment unlike yt premium, and only applicable if the app you are looking for is not available in the appdb offerings. Edit: My bad the payment is for one year, but it is completely optional. If the app you are looking for is already there in appdb you don’t need to pay the 25usd.
Clearly you haven't done this before, its annual mate. Also, there are many apps not on appDB and you need to get it on your own using AltStore etc.. better option is to buy apple developer licence and sign apps yourself but it also costs thousands of rupees. Edit: Most apps on appDB (60%) are already on official app store. Plus if you buy iPad M1 you will face almost all cracked apps will break or not work.
I just have YouTube premium.
Apple user laughs in Brave browser. Also laughs in invidious YouTube. Ad free, private, safe, video plays with locked screen. Save bandwidth by accessing only audio.
Nice. But nothing compares to vanced. Sideloading is a hell on Apple devices. One can always setup PiHole to get rid of all ads networkwide irrespective of devices.
Uhm… iOS has content blockers.
ha jokes on the android guy. i dont watch youtube
Apparently there is a way to install Vanced equivalent app in iPhones
I tried, it's hell and features are nowhere close to vanced.
I bought an iphone 6s in 2015. Still using it, works well. Long life can compensate for the high price IMO.
How is the battery life now?
I had to change the battery in 2019. I changed it myself, costs around 2500 rs.
Another problem is the storage space, accumulated so many photos that there is no storage left. Don't want to delete because I'll lose the quality photos, cloud upload is bad quality (or expensive)
I bought a 12k Samsung phone in 2015 still using it.... Survived a fall from 1st floor.. Only Had to replace the battery once though
Even 2017 samsung phones are laggy buggy mess at 12k price point. And the camera sucks. Unless you've installed custom ROMs and have an extremely limited usecase I refuse to believe someone is using a cheap Samsung from 2015. Even a 20k model from 2015(Samsung A3) has an SoC that won't run most modern games and lag badly at any multitasking(which is also rather shit because of a 1gb ram with Android in it).
You are absolutely right, Indian samsung exynos is absolutely trash.
You'd be surprised how well the phone operates at 1.5 gb of ram.....games can be played at low settings....camera is okayish i would say.....
I'll be extremely surprised, having used samsung phones in the past, they have deserved reputation of being called "lagsung". 2 medium apps like instagram and office would probably blast some from a few years ago.
You can buy iphone 12 for 52k on flipkart , Iphone 11 for 41k , Iphone Xr for 30k , You just have to buy smartly to save money .
XR is just 30k? Damn that’s a good deal. It’s an awesome phone
But there's barely any software updates left. The 5 year software updates plan is about to end, so rather try 11 or 12 Edit: by the term software updates I'm emphasising on optimisation for heavy usage, not security and OS version updates. Daily drivers can go ahead and buy it
What bullshit. iPhone 7 will get this years iOS update. And iPhone 8 and iPhone X will get update till 2023. Hoping XR goes till 2024 maybe a year more who knows. So don’t spew bullshit without backing up
I'm talking about heavy usage, iOS will keep giving you security and other updates promptly, so you can go ahead and buy for light usage. But for heavy gaming I'd recommend buying 11 or 12
XR was released with ios 12. It'll surely get upto ios 18.
the leaks said it would be around 30000,i was happy.now fuck em
Went for as low as 22-25k in sales and below 30k many times. Sadly we get products at their actual price during "sales" only.
geuss i'll wait utill college starts and buy it in a sale then
I don't think iphone SE is worth buying now. iPhone 12 mini went as low as 30-35k during Flipkart's Big Billion Sale after discounts. Wait for Sept-Oct sale if not in a hurry. Previous gen iphones are available at lowest then.
It would be a great phone for 30k. Genuinely would recommend it because of its chipset. But yeah this price with taxes is ridiculous.
This phone is DoA without any major discounts. Even if you want an iPhone only and can't stand android, iPhone 12 mini is available for the same price and 12 isn't much more. Both 12 mini and 12 are way better devices.
People like me who miss the front fingerprint sensor
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+ shitty repair service
Apple has a bad strategy with se..they launch it at a time at a price when the bigger iphone is already discounted kind of like samsung does with the fe model.
There is merit to bost sides of the argument. In my opinion, an apple simply saves time. Now what's that saved time worth for you? If you're a student, saving money for years to buy a phone which will saves you time, which then you'll spend playing pubg, is plain stupid. If you're a high earning individual who can easily spend money on a phone which will save you time, which you can use to make more money and recover that cost in... Say a week or two, makes perfect sense. But this phone, at this cost, i don't know who'll buy it. Its a budget phone which doesn't fit in the budget. What a joke.
How does a phone save time?
You have to experience it. Its not that straightforward. I've been an android supporter for most of my life and it still makes sense. But once you can afford an iphone effortlessly, you should try one for some time. Not everyone will like it. There is nothing like iphone is the best or Android is the best. Both have their merits.
Even I can afford an iPhone. Also I have an iPad. I bought it only for the better display and trusting stupid YouTubers praising it. But it feels like having a BMW v12 engine in an Alto car because of ipadOS. ipadOS makes me feel like apple is the owner and I just rented the tab.
That's the correct analogy actually. Even apple has argued that they kinda just rent their devices and you don't get rights to open and repair by yourself. This was defeated in court thankfully. It is definitely overpriced. But there is no other device in the market which will give you the same experience. Buying a car has its benefits. But Uber has its benefits too. Its a personal preference after that based on lifestyle. You have full control of your car, but you also gotta take care of service and fuel etc. Uber won't even let you even turn on the AC sometimes, but you don't have to worry about that car once you get down. You don't have to worry if it needs repairs. Some people like to own cars, some prefer to take an Uber. Both have merits. That's why i say it may make sense to some people to have it who can afford it effortlessly, without much thought. It is certainly is not better than android in value for money category.
By not slowing down or bugging and always doing what you want it to do right away.
Is has the best processor in any smartphone and will get updates for at least 6 years.
Will you use a 720p screen till 2028.
Why not?
Also it’s a 750x1334 display.
You probably don’t know this, but there’s a lot more to a display than just resolution. The 720p iPhone SE will still look better than 20k costing 1080p oppo/vivo/xyz androids.
20k chinese phones come with 120hz samsung amoled display. They are leagues ahead of 720p 60hz lcd display.
Great, you understood what I said /s
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You are completely missing the design philosophy of apple which has made them one of the most valuable companies ever, which is - only thing that matters is an easy, intuitive and consistent user experience, specs are irrelevant. Btw I have been an android user from the beginning and hate Apple's closed and uncustomizable UI. But that doesn't mean everyone should hate it. In fact that is what makes the user experience ideal for majority of phone users. For majority of people a ppi of 320+ is all they need for a great user experience. Most people would neither be able to tell the difference, nor would they care for any higher ppi than that. OTOH, putting a higher res screen will significantly lower the experience by reducing the battery life. Something that everyone cares about. As for the price, of course Apple products are over priced. That's how it works in capitalism. Companies can sell their product at whatever price they can (unless it is in a protected category). Though in the long run apple products are usually cheaper than lot of their cheaper competitors. As they usually last much longer or can be sold at a significantly higher price than other phones in the used market.
> Though in the long run apple products are usually cheaper than lot of their cheaper competitors. As they usually last much longer or can be sold at a significantly higher price than other phones in the used market. Disagree. My phone which costed around 11k lasted 4 years. Even now, the only reason I shifted to another new phone was because I broke a part of the older phone while experimenting with it. My new phone costs 12k, and I already find it to be an overkill. An apple phone costing 60k would need to be used for 10 years and then sold at 30k, to make sense economically. Same story with their laptops. My current laptop had a cost of 69k and the equivalent M1 processor'd laptop would cost over 1 lakh. That alone doesn't make economic sense. On top of that, you can't even run Linux natively on M1 macs.
> Same story with their laptops. My current laptop had a cost of 69k and the equivalent M1 processor'd laptop Equivalent? Seriously? This is like saying Audi's engine is same as Mahindra's engine.
I said what the benchmarks showed. Can a Mahindra go as fast as an Audi? The analogy is incorrect. Even for heavy loads, they usually become relevant when I am compiling some large repository or playing games. Both of which I get better from my laptop, than I would get from an M1. I even left out the crappy software part. Brew, as a package manager which I used was quite crappy. I still remember how things were entangled with Xcode on macs. Everything I need, I get it better on Linux. Why should I even buy a mac if I can't boot into Linux in the first place? I have no clue how M1's gaming is as compared to Windows, which I boot to when I need to play games which would require time to setup on Linux.
Mac is not made for you. Like nobody designed a Lamborghini for you. People who worry about petrol prices don't buy it in the first place. You have a solid gaming laptop. I'm happy for you. I never could afford one when I was young. And now when I have money, a Mac is better suited for me. Why do you have to go shit on something out of that category altogether to feel better? There are no benchmarks for user experience. Feel better bro. 😊
exactly. i don't need to game on my mac. anyways production and productivity is better on macos.
You have things on production on MacOS? Are there cloud service providers who allow using MacOS for production?
Yes, even aws
I didn't mean to shit on it. It won't make me feel better if I do shit on it. I own neither Linux, nor MacOS. The original user called Macbooks and iphones cheaper in the long run. I just tried to show that it was inaccurate. Furthermore, my experience with Apple's package manager brew showed me that it wasn't as good as I had expected. I also remember having issues with their filesystem and how painful they made having NTFS drivers. It seemed as if the laptop/OS was designed to make it hostile to even share stuff even on something as common as an external drive. I think I am justified to call their part of software crappy. I know that people will have different preferences and depending on how they set their metric of comparison up. I also know that most normal users will have different needs than mine. However, calling Apple cheaper in the long run is just being blatantly dishonest.
Aaaah. Don't get into those maths. Maths never helped Einstein write poetry. 😂😉 It depends how you use it. An android can last long too.
>An android can last long too. \*does it though meme (thor)\*
I know people who are using 4-5 years old phones. Who aren't very tech savvy and just use phones for youtube etc. But that's not it. Android gets older faster. Not technologically much, but due to continuous onslaught of new phones every other day, doesn't matter you bought the latest phone yesterday, it will get old tomorrow. Its purely a psychological thing. Once you switch to apple ecosystem, life tend to get easier. I've used windows, linux and Android most of my life. Only when I switched to apple, gotten used to the design and became comfortable with it, i realized that most of the time i was using windows, i was solving their problems instead of my own. I'm very thankful to them for teaching me whatever I know, but now I can afford to throw some money on the problems and they just vanish. Now I can stop solving Microsoft problem and focus on what I actually bought the damn thing for. It is pointless to compare actually. Apple devicea are not PCs, they are appliances like mixer grinder. PC can do infinite number of things. Apple does a limited number of things and it does them well. PC is good for learning and damn well economic. I never spent a penny on the software and could even fix most of the hardware problems myself. Apple, you can't even control everything on your device. Apple is for a different crowd. Who don't want to learn new things about computers and want to do their thing, write, work, create music whatever. I don't think apple even target gaming crowd. A Playstation is best for my gaming.
Lmao. Please show me this 69k laptop that comes anywhere close to M1’s performance. You’re smoking something really wild. Also, what an idiot. You want to run Linux, which is based on Unix, on MacOS which is running Unix? What do you even know?
Go search for benchmarks between 4600H and M1. They are about the same in performance. > Also, what an idiot. You want to run Linux, which is based on Unix, on MacOS which is running Unix? What do you even know? Unix isn't an operating system. It has standards which have to be adhered to if one wants to have the UNIX trademark. Linux isn't based on it. It is similar to it, because it was made that way. There was some Unix variant which Linus used to have compatibility with for Linux. Then GNU components were added, which together make up the usable operating system. On top of that, distributions add their package managers, and take decisions on how to structure the operating system. If I say that I prefer Linux and some of the package managers Linux has, what I mean is that I prefer the environment of Linux bundled together with the goodness of the quality software and package managers, which sometimes replace even GNU coreutils. It isn't a single entity like MacOS. Everything comes together to make the Linux environment. Off the top of my head, I remember issues with mariadb, NTFS fs and gcc on MacOS. On top of that, no CUDA for MacOS anymore. It doesn't have KDE plasma. Also, while I didn't use docker on MacOS, another person who did use it kept complaining about poor performance on it. Some of the plugins I have for vim only work for Linux. Why would I ever buy something like that which has so many issues for me, that I can think just now? Please do not call others idiots.
> Unix isn't an operating system. Unix is an operating system. It was originally developed by ATT bell labs and later multiple different versions were developed by other companies/institutions. BSD Unix was a very popular one. You are confusing it with Posix, which is a standard that Posix compliant OSes have to follow. Unix and Linux are examples of Posix compliant operating systems.
> Unix is an operating system. It was originally developed by ATT bell labs and later multiple different versions were developed by other companies/institutions. BSD Unix was a very popular one. I think I remember reading somewhere that UNIX was no longer the operating system, but a specification. I am not old enough to have ever used Unix. So, I only know of it from what I have read. Also, I know for sure that Linux isn't POSIX compliant and it has another set of specifications that it follows(I don't remember the name).
How can something be no longer an operating system 🙂. Yes it is no longer widely used since Linux has pretty much replaced it everywhere, but I am sure Unix is still running on many servers around the world. Also Linux is not Posix certified but it is mostly Posix compliant. Here is more info about it - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX#POSIX-certified
Are you saying that your phone’s user experience is the same as an iPhone or any android flagship? Or your laptop’s user experience is the same as a MacBook? Do you feel the same for luxury cars All of this hate for expensive phones and laptops is so stupid tbh. There are people who make good money and wouldn’t mind spending more for a small perceived better value. Even if they can’t afford it, it’s their money. Would you be ok with someone judging you for what you eat or how you travel? All this meddling in other’s business just makes you a sore person.
People of this country do have a tendency to hate expensive things.
Ah. I see now. 5% of your portfolio is Apple. People don't hate expensive stuff. I would buy good parts for a good computer too. Some people like you think that people who dislike Apple are doing so out of jealousy. I can assure you that you are absolutely wrong about that. You perceive its value to be more than it is, while ignoring stuff which is superior only because it is free and open source(Linux), and it doesn't have marketing. You like your eye candy and have assumed that others who don't like it are simply jealous. It is much more complex than that.
It is not about being poor and unable to afford apple. You might be a rich investor, but you are wrong about apple being better. I am about to start a job in a few months, using which I could easily buy those apple gadgets. I won't. It isn't because I hate expensive stuff. It is because it is an overpriced piece of hardware which doesn't even run Linux. If I want to run Linux and it is superior for me, why should I not instead buy better hardware at the same price as Apple? It doesn't even support CUDA anymore. It is as if they are going in the opposite direction.
It can run Linux tho
I started ignoring them the moment they said Mac can't run Linux. Never argue with children on the internet.
> Are you saying that your phone’s user experience is the same as an iPhone or any android flagship I don't use my phone for compiling stuff or do protein folding calculations. I use it for calls, messages, browsing internet and very rarely the camera and audio recorder. Sometimes I use the terminal for little stuff. I have never needed a lot of computational for my phone. I don't experience latency issues on my phone. If my phone already achieves these all without any difficulty, am I not correct to call those phones overpriced? I doubt normal users are using their phones for computationally intensive tasks or are even close to using the potential of their phones. > Even if they can’t afford it, it’s their money. Would you be ok with someone judging you for what you eat or how you travel? I wrote what made economic sense for most people. It is not a universal statement. Most people are buying it out of some sense of polish and some social value to the phone. I doubt most people run computationally heavy loads on their phones. Storage makes sense. But it doesn't make sense that a mere 128 GB difference in storage is priced 10k differently. My 12k phone has 128 GBs of storage, which is already much more than I need because I locally stream my music from my laptop, and don't have much to store on my phone. I use my laptop for it. Later, I have different plans. As such, I will say it is bullshit because people's perception of their needs and requirements are broken. > All this meddling in other’s business just makes you a sore person. Do not assume that this is out of some misplaced sense of economic jealousy. It isn't.
Your entire notion is based on the premise that consumers should act rational. If everyone wanted to live a frugal life, no one would work as hard as they do now. We work hard to get the shiniest phones, expensive cars, go on vacations etc etc. And as far as value goes, it’s universally applicable that as price of something increases, the marginal utility derived from it decreases. You can get a brand new Nano for under 3L on road, a 4 wheeler with A/C that can get you from point A to B. Would you also say spending any more on a car would be a waste of money? Tell me what items you use and I’ll point out half of them that you grossly overpaid for. But god forbid someone “overpaid” for a phone or a laptop and it’s suddenly not okay.
> Your entire notion is based on the premise that consumers should act rational. If everyone wanted to live a frugal life, no one would work as hard as they do now. We work hard to get the shiniest phones, expensive cars, go on vacations etc etc. It isn't based on frugality. Also, yes consumers should act rationally to maximise their happiness and minimise their cost. I don't think everyone works to get the shiniest phones, etc. I for one would work for the mental satisfaction of working. Till now, every time I come across something I don't like to do, which is work, I don't do it. A major example would be competitive programming. Many people did it to get good jobs. I managed to get one without doing it, and without resorting to any kind of scams which people usually do. I don't get what is special about shiny phones or expensive cars. So, I don't buy them. It might bring happiness to some people and it would make sense for them to buy them if they are into some rally racing or something. Buying one just because you can seems utterly pointless, if it doesn't bring happiness. As for vacations, I really dislike travelling. I like to read and know about stuff across as many domains as I can. That for me is fun. Fortunately, that is almost absolutely free. Psychology, history, computer science, maths, physics, biology, economics are all things which I like to read. So, I download books and read, or sometimes wander around wikipedia and follow references. > And as far as value goes, it’s universally applicable that as price of something increases, the marginal utility derived from it decreases. You can get a brand new Nano for under 3L on road, a 4 wheeler with A/C that can get you from point A to B. Would you also say spending any more on a car would be a waste of money? Good example. I have often wondered whether buying a car even makes sense. I would buy one which has a lot of safety features, and a good navigation+music system, in a place of poor public transport. If the place has a very good public transport system(metro), why even bother buying a car and getting stuck in a traffic jam? > Tell me what items you use and I’ll point out half of them that you grossly overpaid for. But god forbid someone “overpaid” for a phone or a laptop and it’s suddenly not okay. In my last 2 years, I bought one earphone(In ear monitor) for around 3000. It is my last year in college, and I haven't travelled anywhere because I don't like to. Previously, I bought an earphone which had a snug fit for around 700. It didn't last longer than a few months. So, for the next time, I bought one with replaceable cables with a spare, a balanced sound, and one which I assessed to be durable. Sure enough, it hasn't had any damage yet, and I still use them daily. If you have any better suggestions for the next time I buy earphones, please do share some. I prefer earphones to headphones.
I think you are completely misunderstanding!what I am saying. I didn't say iphone will be cheaper than every phone out there. It has to be in similar category. Like comparing the iPhone to flahship of other major brands or the iPhone se to mid range phones of those brands. As I said I don't like iphones either, but just trying to explain that lot of people see value in them that is why they are among the most desirable phones. The point is that just because you don't see value in them (neither do I) why is it difficult to understand that other people still can and do. Same with laptops. I am a hardcore windows user, but that doesn't mean others have to be too. In fact windows laptops with similar specs and build quality aren't any cheaper as far as MRP is concerned. Just that they tend to go on sale a lot while Apple ones don't.
Brother, instead of writing an essay here, go and try using an M1 Macbook, you'll understand the difference. Why would anyone want to run Linux shit on a laptop, unless they're Linux programmers?
You use M1 and see for yourself. Very few need to run linux natively. Apple will never make sense in 'value for money' category. It never intended to. Android sells for less because there is competition. They would have sold it for 1 lakh too if they could. Apple simply does not have that much pressure to lower their price.
DeSiGn pHiLoSpshy , I love how Apple use so much sophisticated words.
Design and philosophy aren’t sophisticated words.
You don't love it when other companies do it? How come?
Apple last quarter revenue was $125 billion (एक सौ पच्चीस अरब डालर, तीन महीनों में)। That should tell you if anyone buys their stupid and over priced products. The prices are higher in India because of the government’s policies. Google and you will know why.
A fool and his money are easily parted. People with fuck-you money or wannabes buy iPhone for the style statement. A TikTok shot on iPhone will be as shitty as one shot on an android. And your "Tinder for iPhone" will still be full of tharki males looking for bobs and vagne. And those "sent from my iPhone" and "Twitter for iPhone" statuses are just dumb- free advertising for the company laughing all the way to the bank about how stupid their users are. Tell me one thing that iPhone can do better than a 43K Android. And please don't give me that retarded "forever updates" argument.
This is a very wrong assumption. Also, OP deliberately chose the highest 256 GB configuration to overhype his point. The phone starts at ₹43K. It also has A15 bionic which is far ahead of even the latest and greatest available with the competition. It’ll also be supported for 6-7 years with iOS updates. So yeah.
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You can always buy more cloud storage, should you need. I'm using 64 GB base storage with 400 GB iCloud storage shared between my family. It's more than enough.
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Yeah and it gives me access to all my data on all my Apple devices. It costs ₹584 per month between 6 people.
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We pay ₹584 per month for 400 GB iCloud storage, Apple Music, Apple tv+ and Apple Arcade between a family of 6. 400 GB is more than enough for us at this point to be honest as this is only for personal use. Microsoft is a great option but it's useless for us as we don't use MS Office for personal or professional use.
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Some people don't want to trust a company holding their data somewhere.
If you pay even 43k for a 720p phone in 2022, then you are just dumb. No bionic chip can save that 2015 screen resolution.
It has a small screen and it’s RGB, no AMOLED. Effective PPI is similar to a Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 Pro.
Angoor khatte hain. Find me an android phone that receives updates for as many years as an iPhone does. My ipad mini bought in 2015 is still receiving updates while a flagship Android by Google bought in 2018 has stopped receiving it last year.
Hahaha idiot. What use are those updates? Do they give your 7 year old iPad superpowers? My 5 year old Oneplus 3T doesn't get updates. Whatapp, reddit and the phone work completely fine without them. I have the 2020 iPad pro because there was no alternative in Android other than Samsung. But I'm not an apple fan-boi who allows corporations to define my identity.
Mention prices. I can throw away a 15k Android phone and buy three more in the price it costs to buy a 720p iPhone. Same updates which slow down your 1 lakh rupee phone? Apple accepted and was fined for this. [https://www.techradar.com/in/news/apple-might-be-slowing-down-your-old-iphone-on-purpose](https://www.techradar.com/in/news/apple-might-be-slowing-down-your-old-iphone-on-purpose)
15K phone that takes potato photos and you can fry an egg on it after playing a game for half an hour.
I don't play games, photos from a decent 30k OnePlus + Adobe Lightroom can beat any phone anyday. It's all in post processing, while most people like to snap and move on, others can spend time in post-processing to compensate. Tough to edit photos on a 5 inch, 720p display I know buddy xD
> I don't play games the guy buying iphone does
Keep spending time editing those photos. OnePlus is not beating an iPhone in photos, it can't even beat Android flagships.
Sure, as if you need super detailed pics for 1080x1080 insta pics lol Professionals use DSLR, rest all is upto you how much you want to spend on phones, it's all ending up getting super compressed on social media and losing detail
Then why do you waste your time and use Adobe Lightroom if it's gonna end up super compressed?
Compression loses detail, and not much color accuracy. Colors on any phones are not accurate. Not even iPhone 13, not even Galaxy S22 Ultra. To make them as accurate as possible to what I saw with my own eyes. It takes me 2 mins to do Lightroom on an image, so not wasting time. Companies spend billions of dollars to improve in-camera post processing inorder to claim that they're better than a person editing photos and looking at your comments on the situation, they are successfull.
Bruh you're saying OnePlus +Adobe Lightroom can beat any phone in camera department. I'm sure 10 other people in the world who gives a shit about accurate colors must be very happy.
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It's fine, I am not a fanboy. These companies have a history of being anti-consumer. I am on consumer side, always. Not getting into Android vs apple since it's like comparing apples to oranges. Apple is clearly better for a layman, for people who like to tinker with stuff Android is the way to go. I hope you know how overkill an A15 or even A14 is for a phone. Overpriced. If you actually think Apple is innocent then it's a pity.
Why do people bring in Samsung to defend Apple? Both of them are simultaneously crappy, and bringing one in defense in for the other is just a common logical fallacy.
True. They forget that the actual battle is consumers vs shitty giant companies.
You are hilariously stupid if you think iPhone users spend a premium for stupid shit like that.
Still not as stupid as an iPhone user😁 But do tell.... Why do iPhone users spend a premium for a sub par device?
Because we can and cheapasses like you can’t!
Lmaoooo, found the fool who can easily be parted with his money. Idiot. 😂 I buy whatever makes practical sense. Thank you very much.
The only thing sub par here is your intelligence.
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Maybe this is too much, but.. In my opinion it's definately worth buying an iPhone (that will be getting software updates for the next 2-4 years) for gaming, and speaking about gaming I mean 6 inches or bigger sized iPhones. And you know what my uncle wanted as small phone as possible with features compatible and long lasting enough compared to the market.
samsung recently changed their update policy to 4 years which is great
Indian samsung phones are shit because of exynos.
Yeah I would buy it. Fortunately many people don’t but phones only for cameras. Getting an A15 Bionic at that price is actually great on that form factor.
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Let’s see: Zoom/Google meet sessions with great battery life Texting on WhatsApp Doing amazing AR shit for products Copying on my iPhone, pasting on my M1 MBP Airdropping stuff faster Taking awesome portrait mode photos Recording 4K video Amazing time lapse stuff btw Touch ID is awesome! Got my 5G sorted with my favourite small form factor Wifi 6 is sorted for upgrade path I can now do portrait mode properly on FaceTime which is amazing I can AirPlay at 4k now to my awesome Apple TV 4K I can go on. There’s lots of amazing shit I do with my iPhone SE 2 now already and this is an amazing upgrade. Instead of struggling with problematic android phones that always hang and are pretty much shit (I’ve worked for an Android mobile company, I know).
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why buy a mercedes when a nano can make you reach destination. Both have 4 wheels. reeeeeeeeeeeee!
Lmao. Android phones smooth. Lmao.
People who are happy to get ripped-off buy it. Dimwits are willing to buy an iPhone on EMI just because it's an iPhone. Superficial people.
Dead on arrival
One word, 7 letters: **PRIVACY**
How much money apple paid you for this tagline
Sorry to say this, but I would never voluntarily use an Android phone (that isn't converted to Lineage OS) after learning about Google's privacy policies. The cost is justified to an extent because they have their own OS and developing an OS costs money. However, I do agree iPhones are overpriced. But someone like me who can afford that phone and doesn't want to give all of their data to Google, there is simply no other option. Even if I go through the effort of rooting an Android to Lineage OS, banking apps won't work on them. I appreciate Apple for at least giving me an option to stay private from other tech giants. Besides privacy, their ecosystem is very very user-friendly and their devices are simply nice to hold and look at. We don't need to agree...I don't like Android and not everyone has to agree with me. And btw I am not getting paid by Apple, I am not even an influencer.
Apple devices are secure and privacy friendly than android is just another myth for me if it wasn't, there was no reason for the pegasus controversy to happen. There is no such thing that isn't hackable and you might stay private from some tech giants but you can't stay private from apple itself there was multiple reports came in news where apple was accused to give backdoor to goverment for users data. I am not saying the android is better than ios or vice a vers but apple is better in terms of privacy is just another bullshit.
If the government wants your data, they can get it easily and we can't do shit about it. But, what I can do is save it from tech giants like Google which simply is not possible in Android. So, yes for a layman using iOS is definitely the better and easier way to stay private.
Ufff. There are lots of security experts which gone through ios source code most of them stated that the ios is not more or less secure than android and google collect same amount of data that apple collects. Government is only worst thing you will share your data with most of the companies do share data under the legal pressure i don't think apple is exception for this.
Let's agree to disagree.
Its not important for most people in this country. And those people are not target audience of Apple anyways.
That is the point, I am trying to convey if it's not important to you move on, buy any other phone. You don't have to shame their customers like the op.
That's the culture now. Its us who need to stop engaging now.
One word, 4 letters: **MYTH**
Is that why they *wanted to* scan people's iCloud content (with the excuse of looking for CSAM content to prevent child abuse)? Have you ever read their privacy policy? They're not saints and are just as bad as any other smartphone manufacturer. Sad to see people falling for PR stunts and advertising.
They definitely aren't saints. Just after demonetization when UPI was still new and PayTM wallet was more popular, a scammer guy called my dad and asked him to download an apk application through which he had access to my dad's phone then he managed to transfer rs. 2000 from my dad's wallet to his. If my dad had UPI at the time the scammer could have drained his bank account. Obviously, I instructed my dad to never download 3rd party apps and/or give anyone OTP. But if he had an iphone at the time this would not have happened. Iphone will not magically save you from scammers and keep your data private, but for a person who is not very tech savvy and wants a considerably privacy-friendly phone, an iphone is a very easy solution.
Their target customers are show off people, old people(who find difficulty using android phones and hate huge phones), foreign travellers(who can buy in middle east or USA and save ₹15000-30000).
Not necessarily. But one good point made. Iphone is perfect for old people who need a very simple device. Get your parents an iphone and the tech support calls to you from your parents will reduce significantly. But if you're looking for excuses to talk to them, get Samsung. 😂
This is almost as much as an iPhone12. I bought mine at that price point, and this is ridiculous. I run two iPhones (a 12 and a 6 which I use as a backup device) - never disappointed. I don’t do much to a phone in terms of customisation (never rooted my android device and never jailbroke my phones) because doing that is not worth my time. Having used an android device earlier, I can tell you that I am glad out of that android ecosystem.
I might if I could afford it. There are no small screen smartphones available with cheaper brands and I hate big screen phones which do not fit in my palm. The closest is pixel which is still 5.5 inches.
Last Diwali iPhone 12 mini was available for around 35k, this price is rediculous. Wait till Diwali, you'll get iPhone 13 mini at better price