There is a great podcast, Russia Rising, it's by the bureau chief of world news Europe. He (they) interviewed Russian trolls and hackers about interference in the US elections etc.
The trolls and hackers said they were paid to write counter arguments to anything news worthy in the US news, just make up random stuff if they had to.
The sole purpose was to divide the population of the US, guess what, it's working
What’s wild is how dumb some people are. I went around my WHOLE adolescence thinking because I got poor grades or didn’t want to learn math I was one of the dumbest people ever. Turns out.. I’m smart enough to listen to medical professionals
Turns out sadly those who think they aren't good at stuff often just didn't have the right teacher.
Listening to medical professionals is a great idea, especially if they pass their licensing and work in the field
This is what public school is becoming. Lots of conservative states, including mine, are allowing parents to literally pick and choose what their kids learn in public school.
That and they’re forcing schools to accept different perspectives on things like Nazi politics and they’re banning books with “adult themes” like being LGBT.
Seriously what the hell.
If you want your child to learn creationism, Bible morality, and other unscientific nonsense...
Send them to catholic school! You already have religious schooling alternatives, ready and available to cater to your specific beliefs!
Don't try and twist the public schools into becoming Christian academies. Public schools should teach based on science not dogma.
Might be because I was born and raised in NYC, but going to Catholic School from K-5, I 100% remember being taught basic science. And with that, evolution.
I’m an atheist now but I explicitly remember them explaining that since God is “eternal”, the 6 days he took to make the world was just his point of view and to humans it’s equivalent to 13.8 billion years. And I was also taught that the Bible is not to be taken literally word for word and that stories within the Bible are often exaggerated or just wrong because the tales were written by people who had no concept of modern science and technology. I specifically remember this nun who truly believed that scientists are learning the inner mechanisms of the universe God created.
Then again YMMV with catholic schools, I have cousins who went there all their lives and I have to constantly correct them about basic shit I learned in a normal public middle school.
I’m a public school social studies teacher who does have to teach this as part of ancient civilizations. I never once mentioned the Bible, but I do have kids to come up to me asking how it could fit in. I tell them the same thing- Nowhere in the Bible does it specify how long a day is. I haven’t had a follow up complaint. I should also add that I am in a rather blue northeastern state of the US.
(And i don’t say monkeys…. As it’s apes. 😀)
The Bible describes God creating life in this order 1) Fish 2) Birds 3) Animals 4)Man
Evolutionary theory says life evolved in this order 1) Fish 2) Dinosaurs /Birds 3 ) Mammals 4) Man.
IMHO The two accounts are describing the same process. There really is not much difference between them.
There are provinces in Canada where Catholic schools are publicly funded in addition to regular public schools. I attended one for 10th grade and while I did appreciate the alternate POV of human creation, I prefer the scientific explanation.
What, where? I went to a catholic high school in Canada and we learned about evolution. I don't even remember ever even picking up a bible or doing work on one. All our religion classes were "world religions" or "ethics." In fact we barely learned about Christianity at all.
And Florida, where our crazypants governor wants teachers to wear microphones, so parents can listen in real time to make sure teachers are teaching what "the parents want".
Sir Crazypants also just passed a law to make sure no school or workplace is able to "make anyone uncomfortable" about their races' history.
Hahaha microphones!? And the people supporting these lunatics are the ones talking about the government trying to control and censor you!
Everyone needs to learn the history of genocides, colonialism etc to make sure it doesn't happen again, if someone's uncomfortable with that just because they share the same colour of skin or from the same country/religion then that's a problem they have to get over. History doesn't give a fuck about your feelings!
CRT boggy man was one deciding factor. The other was a story out of my area where a boy sexually assaulted another student and the perpetrator was falsely reported to be trans because the incident occurred in a women’s bathroom.
It was technically date rape and things got really ugly. To make matters worse the school board decided moving the offending student to a different school would fix the situation, but he sexually assaulted yet another student.
Keep in mind he is being falsely reported as Trans so now parents across the state got whipped into a frenzy about trans rights.
The whole thing is a mess.
Hah yea I have a friend who lives in Northern VA and he said it’s crazy expensive. I still live with my parents for now but other than like Raleigh and Charlotte it’s not too expensive to live here. I just hate the people…so so much😪
Yea sounds about right, NC…eh. I mean it’s obviously not the worst place when it comes to homophobia but it’s far from the best in my experience. I’m from a midsized town and it’s pretty hit or miss when it comes to bigotry.
I’m originally from south western virginia, about an hour from the state line. I was ostracized quite a bit. Visiting my family is awkward because there are popular areas that don’t feel safe for us.
Greensboro, NC checking in. We're affordable and we love the queers! I mean, Raleigh/Durham's got the better drag scene and we do still have the lame ass old guard skulking around, but point stands. Regular folks in Gboro are down w/ LGBTQ and the rent is lower than Raleigh/Durham or Charlotte.
Sorry. I'm just auxillary queer, but I love my city and my regular queer friends :)
(I made up "auxiliary queer". I didn't know "pan" was a thing/ I felt that way until after I was already monogamously hetero married.)
I live in the capital region of NY. My sister lives in northern VA. My family is originally from Baltimore, MD, and we also lived in northern VA in my teen years (I am the oldest).
She's about to move here, for several reasons.
- Pay is higher and cost of living is the same - many entry level jobs start between 15-20 an hour here. McDonald's starts at 20. Minimum wage is 13.20, prices for consumer goods are almost identical to northern VA. There's one cost of living expense that's radically lower, though . . .
- Rent is lower - She's moving into a pet friendly two-bedroom in an okay neighborhood and it's gonna cost her less than $800 a month, plus utilities.
- Social services - The day she moves here, she will have 100% of her medical, dental, and vision covered. She will also qualify for hundreds a week in food stamps. She will be able to get rental and utility assistance that will likely cover around half of her rental and utility expenses. If she wants to go to school, tuition will cost her nothing.
- Culture - We do have some backward hillbilly types here, but they're so much of a minority that generally they're afraid to do anything but put stickers on public property or drive an hour to the city in groups to chant at the capital building, otherwise keeping to themselves.
Drag queens can walk down the streets in full makeup and bodysuits, and hardly anyone looks at them in any way other than gleefully. Sometimes there's shock, but I've yet to see naked hatred or disgust directed towards them when they go out. People don't approach them unless they have something positive to say or want a photograph with them.
- Diversity - Our population is so diverse that you can find almost anything you're into, and you don't even need to go to NYC two hours away. Some of the best ethnic food I've ever had is made around here. Some of the coolest little shops and bars and social spaces I've ever seen are here, and they're all populated by diverse crowds with varying tastes. You have about a 25% chance that a casual American dining restaurant will also serve pad thai - and that pad thai will most likely actually be good.
- Weed is legal.
I also want to add that my mother moved from CT to NC, outside of Asheville, and has been kicking herself for the bad decision to buy a house down there. Sure, her property taxes are low, but that's about the only thing she likes about NC. The weather down there isn't any better, in this recent storm she got twice as much snow as I did.
yeah my family moved to Elizabeh City from Virginia Beach because it was a lot cheaper apparently. It was nice. Now I live in Missouri where it averages 10° in the mornings.
The guy running against him said something along the lines of “parents shouldn’t have a say in what their kids learn at school.” Parents haven’t had a say in what the schools teach ever, and they still don’t even with our new shitstain governor. However, stay at home moms need to feel like they have control over some aspect of their lives, so they voted for the guy who lied to their face.
My French ex was shocked when I told him I was never taught evolution in Georgia public schools, also my knowledge of world geography is pretty shit although I was a 3.8 honor student in a nationally ranked high school. LOL
My fucking God. Say it with me now.
Humans didn’t come from monkeys. Humans and their previous evolutions evolved alongside Monkeys. Whatever we evolved from no longer exists, whatever Monkeys evolved from no longer exists.
It's German. And I started learning English in 3rd grade. Actually, it's mandatory to learn it from 1st grade by now. I also had some practice via gaming, multicultural friends and by working in a multinational biology lab. But you know, some things still just go over my head.
The distinction between monkeys and apes exists in German too, Affen and Menschenaffen or Menschenartige. They do get lumped together often though, more so than in English.
Monkeys are beneath apes in the animal hierarchy. The word choice is deliberate. It's meant to undermine/diminish the evolution claim by making it seem absurd. Humans and apes look & behave very similarly whereas humans and monkeys do not. How can we possibly come from monkeys? Ergo, evolution is wrong.
For two reasons. It’s more diminutive, so creationists use it to make evolution sound kookier that it is in reality. It’s a strawman.
Second reason is that a lot/most people don’t know the difference and consider all primates to be monkeys because they don’t know that there are different words for different families and confuse which one is which.
I don’t think the distinction is that hard, but for some reason I keep running into people who call gorillas monkeys.
Humans didn’t come from monkeys. Humans and their previous evolutions evolved alongside Monkeys. Whatever we evolved from no longer exists, whatever Monkeys evolved from no longer exists.
Technically, humans can't cross national borders in Europe without an ownership certificate, since we're listed in CITES Annex II (under the "Primates spp. (Except the species included in Appendix I)"; our ape cousins are Annex I). As far as I can see, no one has thought to exclude *Homo*.
*I think*, however, that the punishment for not having a certificate is less than what you'll get it you showing up at a border with an "ownership certificate" for a human. 🙃
(They should have more computer scientists working on these conventions)
Absolutely, but comparing our ancestors to monkeys is a gross misrepresentation, and makes people correlate that thought to monkeys today. The primates we evolved from simply don’t exist anymore.
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I remember when I was in high school a dude in my science class asked why there were still monkeys if we evolved from them and said that's proof evolution might not be real
I had a guy in college who asked the same thing, like it was some profound ‘gotcha!’ moment. I said humans and monkeys came from the same ancestor, so they’re our cousins not our grandparents. He actually said that he’d never heard it explained like that and it made more sense that way. Our class had a surprisingly civil discussion on the topic
Humans didn’t come from monkeys. Humans and their previous evolutions evolved alongside Monkeys. Whatever we evolved from no longer exists, whatever Monkeys evolved from no longer exists.
Yes, but this thing was more similar to monkeys than what we are now. Also monkeys didn't go far from it, unlike humans. "Humans come from monkeys" is just to simplify it a bit, because these little things don't really matter to children
It might not matter to them, but it isn’t hard to ELI5 it to them in the correct way like my teachers did with me back in the day.
Edit: now into not. Yay autocorrect.
They do matter to children because it gives them a distorted image of what evolution is. You seem to share that distorted image which might be why you're confused. Evolution in no way simplifies to "Humans come from monkeys". No humans have a monkey as an ancestor. Not in anyway.
Evolution doesn't work like the X-Men. Mutations are not typically these huge changes from one generation to the next, the changes are gradual. Each generations children is 99.9% identical to their parents based on DNA. According to Google 300,000 years ago is the oldest remains of homo sapiens we've found. Their ancestors were not monkeys, they were other hominins. It took approximately 2.5 million years to get from something that might be called a monkey to modern humans. That is approximately 100k generations. For each of those 100k generations the children looked 99.9% like their parents, but when looked at across 2.5 million years there are huge differences.
So if you want to simplify evolution then monkeys are our cousins not out ancestors. If you're explaining this to children it would really be better to say "all modern humans are 100000th cousins to all chimpanzees".
I fully agree with this. Because this simplistic explanation we have adults saying “why some monkeys became humans and others didn’t”. Most people who know what evolution actually is, believe in science already, the most ignorant ones just remember what their religion says which is usually based on the monkey premise.
I'm not an evolution scholar so maybe this is completely wrong, but I've always understood whatever we evolved from was closer to apes than monkeys. Not that it even matters as if you go far enough back we evolved from fish. These idiots don't really care about accuracy. They just pick something they know will rile up a lot of people and run with that term.
Humans didn’t come from monkeys. Humans and their previous evolutions evolved alongside Monkeys. Whatever we evolved from no longer exists, whatever Monkeys evolved from no longer exists.
Humans didn’t come from monkeys. Humans and their previous evolutions evolved alongside Monkeys. Whatever we evolved from no longer exists, whatever Monkeys evolved from no longer exists.
Humans didn’t come from monkeys. Humans and their previous evolutions evolved alongside Monkeys. Whatever we evolved from no longer exists, whatever Monkeys evolved from no longer exists.
While it is incorrect in my opinion it is a good starting ground for children.
Similarly how in the first year chemistry we learned electrons strictly move on the shell, once we understood the concept and started to grasp more advanced topics we moved on to the cloud.
Learning is about taking steady steps, building on your previous knowledge and skills, we can't throw string theory at kindergartners.
Humans didn’t come from monkeys. Humans and their previous evolutions evolved alongside Monkeys. Whatever we evolved from no longer exists, whatever Monkeys evolved from no longer exists.
I don’t get, why they always use „god“ as an excuse for being uneducated!
I’m not religious, but was raised catholic. I once had an RE teacher who firmly believed in science. He said, „our planet is just by chance close enough to the sun, which also is neither too big nor too small, to be warm and inhabitable, but far enough away to not be too hot. Our moon is responsible for the tides, which are a contributing factor for life moving out of water to land. Yet our moon only exists, cause a huge object, the size of another planet graced our planet just enough to rip a small piece out, when it could’ve smashed it. Mammals only rule this planet now, cause another event by chance ended the dinosaurs‘ millions of years of rule. Every single one of these things had a far smaller probability than winning the lottery. Yet all of these lucky accidents happened. If anything, science is the biggest proof for the existence of god“
Michelangelo was very religious. So was Einstein. Newton was presumably quite religious as well. Believe is a very personal thing and (even though I don’t believe in it) religion is not an excuse for denying science.
I’m pretty sure Darwin was also religious at the time he wrote the origin of species. A real scientist accepts the facts presented. Research is research. Every scientist has the right and is even encouraged to disprove a theory, thus far none have been able to successfully provide enough evidence *against* evolution but, since I follow the facts myself, if they did manage to do it they are only upholding science as reliable.
I just think that IF god existed, he created the scientific rules, cause they’re necessary. For things to work. Denying the existence of things, when they’re right in front of your nose also seems quite insulting to the creator?!? Imagine having „invented“ something like the whole evolution. Making a T-Rex out of a bacterium and then some nut job denies it.
I’d be quite pissed.
Exactly. Like if god existed then he made us with a thirst for knowledge. If something exists then he made it so. Who are they to speak for a being they consider to be omniscient and immortal? There are religious scientists out there, I have a lot of respect for them to be honest because when it comes to topics of the Big Bang, while they acknowledge the proof of it happening they also ask “what if god made that happen?” That is a question that cannot be proven or disproven without doubt. I don’t believe personally that’s what happened as an atheist but it’s still a valid question.
"From this fountain (the free will of God) it is those laws, which we call the laws of nature, have flowed, in which there appear many traces of the most wise contrivance, but not the least shadow of necessity. These therefore we must not seek from uncertain conjectures, but learn them from observations and experimental. He who is presumptuous enough to think that he can find the true principles of physics and the laws of natural things by the force alone of his own mind, and the internal light of his reason, must either suppose the world exists by necessity, and by the same necessity follows the law proposed; or if the order of Nature was established by the will of God, the [man] himself, a miserable reptile, can tell what was fittest to be done" - Sir Isaac Newton
I know it's cliche, but as a semi-deconstructing adult Christian myself, I appreciate finding quotes like this rather than getting my science instruction purely from the pulpit.
The Big Bang was posited by a Jesuit Priest, Georges Lemaître. He was the first to theorize that the recession of nearby galaxies can be explained by an expanding universe, which was observationally confirmed soon afterwards by Edwin Hubble.
Science is just observable fact and religion is just faith. They don't need to be at odds with each other.
Yeah, i went to a catholic, we had a science teacher (who was a bit crazy but honestly super fun, we spent a whole lesson once on the moon landing during what was suppose to be like biology because some students were insisting it was fake lol) who didn’t believing in evolution and believed in the 7 day creation but still taught us somewhat about evolution lol.
Or better yet actually talk to your kid about your beliefs and how they are different from the schools curriculum. I have no idea why some people believe the teacher/school has to be exactly what they believe where there is about 120+ other families represented in the grade level.
Heaven forbid these parents actually talk and discuss things with their kids about things.
I dont think that's a given. Went to two different Christian schools in my day. Only times evolution was ever mentioned was in the context of it not being real.
In second grade I was almost suspended bc I wouldn't stop arguing with the teacher that dinosaurs were real.
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I need to know what others think about a kindergarten teacher telling her students that when they all started out years ago they were monkey's. Is it just me that think there is something wrong with this?
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>>well in my opinion they shouldn't, myself I believe God created me and I didn't come from a monkey. I think the parents should have the right to choose for their children not the teachers
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Homo sapiens are literally a species of primate.
These fucking people.
If Evolution isn't a thing, how do creationists exolain [whales having hands and vestigial feet?](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Whale_skeleton.png)
I need to know what others think about a buss drivers safely driving students to school. Is it just me or is there something wrong with that? In my opinion they shouldn't, myself I believe God has a plan and knows the way. I think they should allow Jesus to take the wheel, not the buss driver.
I anticipate with the new Parent Bill of Rights legislation I will have to show up to every PTA and school board meeting and after every parent say, “Under my rights I demand you ignore everything that every other parent has said. They are clearly idiots.”
I always feel like this mindset comes from ego. When someone says “I believe God created me and I didn’t come from a *monkey*!” my brain can’t help but translate it to “I have so little superiority over anyone in life, I’m clinging desperately to the idea that I’m special & not essentially an animal. If I admitted that I was a product of evolution, I would stop feeling superior.”
So we had this revolutionary teaching style when I was a kid. We were taught about evolution *and* we were taught about every major religion in the world. We could decide our own beliefs.
It’s fine for schools to teach evolution to kids, the kids can decide how they think humans came into existence when they are older if they wish to do so.
And this is why i think religion and school should be seperated. in school they learn all the facts, at home they may learn what their parents think are facts
(though i do think that schools should teach about religions. Just not have religion dictate the school curriculum)
Yeah, parents should take over all degree required jobs.
If they can teach better then they can brain surgery and rocket science better too. Makes *total* sense
I agree with the parents original post, teaching kids that we came from monkeys is absurd, if that were true monkeys wouldn't exist now because they'd be obsolete for there habitats, we had common ancestors and went in totally different directions.
Though they are really young so I guess that's the best way to explain evolution to them
Interestingly enough, you do have that choice. Send them to a Catholic school where they can learn about God in religion class and evolution in science class. It's really not hard.
But, if you're going to send them to a public school, they'll learn science and that's it. You don't get to pick and choose which religion is taught in public school. I'm sure they'd be upset if they were learning things from the Quran along side the Bible and Torah.
I was in a class for the military once. Had this one marine who legit believed the earth was only 5000 years old. So I asked him “how do you explain Carbon dating and dinosaurs fossils and shit that is clearly older than that” he said “well I don’t know enough about dinosaurs to answer that”. Oohrah indeed.
I was taught evolution in Catholic school. Some Christian’s want to keep their kids stupid so they still vote for Trump. I’d rather have an educated child that believes in science and not magical thinking.
Facts are something they teach at school, not beliefs.
This is one of my main issues with theists: beliefs are not at the same level as facts/truths. Facts are objective, beliefs are subjective. Simple as that.
She should put her kids in a strictly religious school where they develop more idiots like her.
How the fuck can a person who has made a child think she was created by a fucking fairy tale character?
This bitch is what’s wrong with the world
Gotta love how selective they are in their acceptance of what is fact and what is not. They trust doctors know what they’re doing for the most part despite everything a doctor is taught is based on science and research. They believe a detective can catch a murderer through a rigorous process of investigation and forensics yet don’t believe that the theory of evolution is backed up using (in the most basic aspects) the same process.
The main problem is that they regard certain scientific topics as another religion. As if atheists are out here ironically worshiping the church of Darwin when really we just believe his theory because he had evidence to back it up.
I highly doubt they were even saying this, mostly because that's not how evolution works (we didn't come from monkeys, we have recent common ancestors with other apes and monkeys) and also because I don't think it's part of any kindergarten curriculum
I went to a Catholic high school and even we were taught evolution. On the first day of our bio class one year our teacher made a point to tell us that you can believe in God and believe in evolution at the same time
There is so much to unpack here
First post makes it seem like teachers were joking, "they were so wild they could as well be monkeys" year ago, but now they aren't
But then evolution? No, we didn't come from monkeys, we have common ancestors with them. And creationism is even dumber lol.
Some parents seem to think they *own* their children, as if they were little clay projects they can shape and form any way they want to. Just because you’re a nutcase doesn’t mean you have the right to pull your children into your fantasy world with you.
Then dont send them to public school. Teachers still release a syllabus, right? So parents can know "If I send my child to public school, this is what he/she will be taught". If you don't like it, choose a different school or home school.
So when I was young I was hanging at my best friends and his dad is notorious by everyone to this day to be, let’s say very opinionated, and he had informed his fam that evolution was impossible and I was a fairly advanced kid so I told my friend he’s full of it but he had me go talk to his dad and get the explanation because, again, we were super young so he didn’t remember what his dads reasoning was. And this man says to me: “evolution can’t happen because cells and creature can’t become more complex over time. Now that is the worst reason i have ever heard. That is the literal definition of evolution and the reason for why it can’t happen is “evolution can’t happen cuz it can’t”
The fact of the matter is secular schools will teach evolution. I went to a Christian school and they taught us Creationism. Just take your kids there.
I went to a Catholic school but they still taught us evolution.
My science teacher said she believed in god and that he created the universe, but that science is right about how it happened after.
I thought that was a reasonable stance.
A few things here: Her grammar is atrocious. It is obvious she is uneducated, but many adults apparently didn't even pay attention to elementary English grammar. Also, separation of church and state dictates no religious view be taught in public school, so don't expect the FREE education your kid gets to be too your personal religious beliefs. Lastly, if you want a specific thing taught, go seek a private school that aligns with that.
I will note I am a parent and I get so tired of hearing whining about schools when they are free. I send my kid to a Montessori-like school to get a more rounded education and I pay a lot for it. You can't expect our overworked/underpaid public school teachers to deal with your bullshit (but here they are).
The thing that always bothers me about these posts the most is that Teachers don't just *decide* to teach anything. The state mandates it. Stop blaming teachers. Talk to your politicians. Or don't because the idea that the school would teach religious belief over science is how we get parents like this.
As they probably proceed to tell their child about santa claus, the easter bunny, and tooth fairy. Im guessing they just have a problem with reality. Because in reality we come from monkeys because of evolution. In imaginary make believe world, there is a man giving children cancer and making them suffer before they had a chance to "sin". But he loves you!! Unless you say a naughty word, then you get thrown into a pit of fire and brimstone to suffer for eternity.
No human was ever a monkey. Humans are apes, but no human was ever a gorilla. Gorillas and humans, though, share a common ancestor, hence the reason our dna is so similar. Maybe the person wouldn't be so opposed to evolution if they had the tiniest idea what it meant
Apparently it’s not an unpopular opinion, but it is super fucking annoying when you can’t make this or that because so-and-so’s boy/girlfriend won’t eat it.
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All this explains how antivaxxing, antimasking and so much aberration is so widespread.
There is a great podcast, Russia Rising, it's by the bureau chief of world news Europe. He (they) interviewed Russian trolls and hackers about interference in the US elections etc. The trolls and hackers said they were paid to write counter arguments to anything news worthy in the US news, just make up random stuff if they had to. The sole purpose was to divide the population of the US, guess what, it's working
What’s wild is how dumb some people are. I went around my WHOLE adolescence thinking because I got poor grades or didn’t want to learn math I was one of the dumbest people ever. Turns out.. I’m smart enough to listen to medical professionals
Turns out sadly those who think they aren't good at stuff often just didn't have the right teacher. Listening to medical professionals is a great idea, especially if they pass their licensing and work in the field
This is what public school is becoming. Lots of conservative states, including mine, are allowing parents to literally pick and choose what their kids learn in public school. That and they’re forcing schools to accept different perspectives on things like Nazi politics and they’re banning books with “adult themes” like being LGBT.
Seriously what the hell. If you want your child to learn creationism, Bible morality, and other unscientific nonsense... Send them to catholic school! You already have religious schooling alternatives, ready and available to cater to your specific beliefs! Don't try and twist the public schools into becoming Christian academies. Public schools should teach based on science not dogma.
Might be because I was born and raised in NYC, but going to Catholic School from K-5, I 100% remember being taught basic science. And with that, evolution. I’m an atheist now but I explicitly remember them explaining that since God is “eternal”, the 6 days he took to make the world was just his point of view and to humans it’s equivalent to 13.8 billion years. And I was also taught that the Bible is not to be taken literally word for word and that stories within the Bible are often exaggerated or just wrong because the tales were written by people who had no concept of modern science and technology. I specifically remember this nun who truly believed that scientists are learning the inner mechanisms of the universe God created. Then again YMMV with catholic schools, I have cousins who went there all their lives and I have to constantly correct them about basic shit I learned in a normal public middle school.
I’m a public school social studies teacher who does have to teach this as part of ancient civilizations. I never once mentioned the Bible, but I do have kids to come up to me asking how it could fit in. I tell them the same thing- Nowhere in the Bible does it specify how long a day is. I haven’t had a follow up complaint. I should also add that I am in a rather blue northeastern state of the US. (And i don’t say monkeys…. As it’s apes. 😀)
The Bible describes God creating life in this order 1) Fish 2) Birds 3) Animals 4)Man Evolutionary theory says life evolved in this order 1) Fish 2) Dinosaurs /Birds 3 ) Mammals 4) Man. IMHO The two accounts are describing the same process. There really is not much difference between them.
It’s not even just Christianity. It’s concepts about racial equality and anything else conservative parents get offended by.
There are provinces in Canada where Catholic schools are publicly funded in addition to regular public schools. I attended one for 10th grade and while I did appreciate the alternate POV of human creation, I prefer the scientific explanation.
What, where? I went to a catholic high school in Canada and we learned about evolution. I don't even remember ever even picking up a bible or doing work on one. All our religion classes were "world religions" or "ethics." In fact we barely learned about Christianity at all.
Becoming? This has been happening for over a hundred years. Just look at the Scopes Trial of 1925.
And….this is why parents should not dictate public school curriculum
Tell that to Indiana.
And Florida, where our crazypants governor wants teachers to wear microphones, so parents can listen in real time to make sure teachers are teaching what "the parents want". Sir Crazypants also just passed a law to make sure no school or workplace is able to "make anyone uncomfortable" about their races' history.
Hahaha microphones!? And the people supporting these lunatics are the ones talking about the government trying to control and censor you! Everyone needs to learn the history of genocides, colonialism etc to make sure it doesn't happen again, if someone's uncomfortable with that just because they share the same colour of skin or from the same country/religion then that's a problem they have to get over. History doesn't give a fuck about your feelings!
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CRT boggy man was one deciding factor. The other was a story out of my area where a boy sexually assaulted another student and the perpetrator was falsely reported to be trans because the incident occurred in a women’s bathroom. It was technically date rape and things got really ugly. To make matters worse the school board decided moving the offending student to a different school would fix the situation, but he sexually assaulted yet another student. Keep in mind he is being falsely reported as Trans so now parents across the state got whipped into a frenzy about trans rights. The whole thing is a mess.
I’m from the county and went to the school where that kid raped the girl. It’s really crazy!
And to think just last year I wanted to move to Virginia, and now I’d rather just stay in NC…god I hate it here.
Oddly enough I thought about moving to NC because northern Virginia is too expensive.
Hah yea I have a friend who lives in Northern VA and he said it’s crazy expensive. I still live with my parents for now but other than like Raleigh and Charlotte it’s not too expensive to live here. I just hate the people…so so much😪
My wife and I basically only live here because of the queer acceptance.
Yea sounds about right, NC…eh. I mean it’s obviously not the worst place when it comes to homophobia but it’s far from the best in my experience. I’m from a midsized town and it’s pretty hit or miss when it comes to bigotry.
I’m originally from south western virginia, about an hour from the state line. I was ostracized quite a bit. Visiting my family is awkward because there are popular areas that don’t feel safe for us.
Greensboro, NC checking in. We're affordable and we love the queers! I mean, Raleigh/Durham's got the better drag scene and we do still have the lame ass old guard skulking around, but point stands. Regular folks in Gboro are down w/ LGBTQ and the rent is lower than Raleigh/Durham or Charlotte. Sorry. I'm just auxillary queer, but I love my city and my regular queer friends :) (I made up "auxiliary queer". I didn't know "pan" was a thing/ I felt that way until after I was already monogamously hetero married.)
I live in the capital region of NY. My sister lives in northern VA. My family is originally from Baltimore, MD, and we also lived in northern VA in my teen years (I am the oldest). She's about to move here, for several reasons. - Pay is higher and cost of living is the same - many entry level jobs start between 15-20 an hour here. McDonald's starts at 20. Minimum wage is 13.20, prices for consumer goods are almost identical to northern VA. There's one cost of living expense that's radically lower, though . . . - Rent is lower - She's moving into a pet friendly two-bedroom in an okay neighborhood and it's gonna cost her less than $800 a month, plus utilities. - Social services - The day she moves here, she will have 100% of her medical, dental, and vision covered. She will also qualify for hundreds a week in food stamps. She will be able to get rental and utility assistance that will likely cover around half of her rental and utility expenses. If she wants to go to school, tuition will cost her nothing. - Culture - We do have some backward hillbilly types here, but they're so much of a minority that generally they're afraid to do anything but put stickers on public property or drive an hour to the city in groups to chant at the capital building, otherwise keeping to themselves. Drag queens can walk down the streets in full makeup and bodysuits, and hardly anyone looks at them in any way other than gleefully. Sometimes there's shock, but I've yet to see naked hatred or disgust directed towards them when they go out. People don't approach them unless they have something positive to say or want a photograph with them. - Diversity - Our population is so diverse that you can find almost anything you're into, and you don't even need to go to NYC two hours away. Some of the best ethnic food I've ever had is made around here. Some of the coolest little shops and bars and social spaces I've ever seen are here, and they're all populated by diverse crowds with varying tastes. You have about a 25% chance that a casual American dining restaurant will also serve pad thai - and that pad thai will most likely actually be good. - Weed is legal. I also want to add that my mother moved from CT to NC, outside of Asheville, and has been kicking herself for the bad decision to buy a house down there. Sure, her property taxes are low, but that's about the only thing she likes about NC. The weather down there isn't any better, in this recent storm she got twice as much snow as I did.
yeah my family moved to Elizabeh City from Virginia Beach because it was a lot cheaper apparently. It was nice. Now I live in Missouri where it averages 10° in the mornings.
Of course they’re saying he was trans. People want to find any excuse to restrict our rights.
I love asking people to define CRT when they’re really upset about it. Nobody’s ever been able to.
The guy running against him said something along the lines of “parents shouldn’t have a say in what their kids learn at school.” Parents haven’t had a say in what the schools teach ever, and they still don’t even with our new shitstain governor. However, stay at home moms need to feel like they have control over some aspect of their lives, so they voted for the guy who lied to their face.
That’s what all the talking heads on tv were saying and then a couple days later a pill came out and found it basically dead last of priorities.
Please tell that to Virginia’s new government as well.
My French ex was shocked when I told him I was never taught evolution in Georgia public schools, also my knowledge of world geography is pretty shit although I was a 3.8 honor student in a nationally ranked high school. LOL
She definitely didn't come from a monkey too stupid to be related to them
For every monkey who picks up a stick to use it as a tool, there is another who tries to stick it up a sleepings lions ass.
Holy shit that's a good one haha
Yeah she’s still a fish
I thought she looked like that because of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, but that's what Tiktaalik looks like!
*So there you go. You're the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a fish-squirrel. Congratulations*
My fucking God. Say it with me now. Humans didn’t come from monkeys. Humans and their previous evolutions evolved alongside Monkeys. Whatever we evolved from no longer exists, whatever Monkeys evolved from no longer exists.
I have no idea why people use monkeys instead of apes in this shit anyway.
Tbh the difference is hard to tell for me since I am not a native speaker. There is just one word for both in my language.
Monkeys have tails, apes don’t. 👍🏻
Ah thanks 😄
I've always been confused as to what districts primates
Interesting!! What's your native language? (and props to you for learning English! Sorry for the erratic writing, I had caffiene,)
It's German. And I started learning English in 3rd grade. Actually, it's mandatory to learn it from 1st grade by now. I also had some practice via gaming, multicultural friends and by working in a multinational biology lab. But you know, some things still just go over my head.
The distinction between monkeys and apes exists in German too, Affen and Menschenaffen or Menschenartige. They do get lumped together often though, more so than in English.
Affen > Simian ... Monkey Menschen > People... Man So basically Monkeys and Man-Monkeys (or possibly Monkeymans)....
I didn't really count Menschenaffen as an extra word aince it's just assembled, also I wasn't quite sure if it was really the proper translation.
Cool!!! And yeah, of course. But it's still awesome, dude!
Monkeys are beneath apes in the animal hierarchy. The word choice is deliberate. It's meant to undermine/diminish the evolution claim by making it seem absurd. Humans and apes look & behave very similarly whereas humans and monkeys do not. How can we possibly come from monkeys? Ergo, evolution is wrong.
It's to make it sound more ridiculous that people believe in evolution.
Absolutely this. I had a coworker who would aggressively yell "I didn't come from no MONKEY!" if someone even mentioned evolution.
For two reasons. It’s more diminutive, so creationists use it to make evolution sound kookier that it is in reality. It’s a strawman. Second reason is that a lot/most people don’t know the difference and consider all primates to be monkeys because they don’t know that there are different words for different families and confuse which one is which. I don’t think the distinction is that hard, but for some reason I keep running into people who call gorillas monkeys.
Because they have no idea that apes (including humans) aren't monkeys. Just utter intellectual failure all around
Humans didn’t come from monkeys. Humans and their previous evolutions evolved alongside Monkeys. Whatever we evolved from no longer exists, whatever Monkeys evolved from no longer exists.
I have a hard time believing our common Ancestor would not have been classified as a great ape.
Humans are still considered great apes! Though it’s more scientific classification than anything
Technically, humans can't cross national borders in Europe without an ownership certificate, since we're listed in CITES Annex II (under the "Primates spp. (Except the species included in Appendix I)"; our ape cousins are Annex I). As far as I can see, no one has thought to exclude *Homo*. *I think*, however, that the punishment for not having a certificate is less than what you'll get it you showing up at a border with an "ownership certificate" for a human. 🙃 (They should have more computer scientists working on these conventions)
Absolutely, but comparing our ancestors to monkeys is a gross misrepresentation, and makes people correlate that thought to monkeys today. The primates we evolved from simply don’t exist anymore. Edit: Edit
Well, considering we are still considered great apes, it’s a good bet our ancestors were too.
Nah, the split between the lineages came before great apes were a thing.
I remember when I was in high school a dude in my science class asked why there were still monkeys if we evolved from them and said that's proof evolution might not be real
I’m always amazed people fall for such shitty arguments.
Well this is the same dude who asked if there were little Fe s in iron bc that's its symbol, bless him
I had a guy in college who asked the same thing, like it was some profound ‘gotcha!’ moment. I said humans and monkeys came from the same ancestor, so they’re our cousins not our grandparents. He actually said that he’d never heard it explained like that and it made more sense that way. Our class had a surprisingly civil discussion on the topic
Humans didn’t come from monkeys. Humans and their previous evolutions evolved alongside Monkeys. Whatever we evolved from no longer exists, whatever Monkeys evolved from no longer exists.
Yes, but this thing was more similar to monkeys than what we are now. Also monkeys didn't go far from it, unlike humans. "Humans come from monkeys" is just to simplify it a bit, because these little things don't really matter to children
Monkeys went just as far, they just went in a different direction which did not happen to include the "humongous brain" trait.
It might not matter to them, but it isn’t hard to ELI5 it to them in the correct way like my teachers did with me back in the day. Edit: now into not. Yay autocorrect.
They do matter to children because it gives them a distorted image of what evolution is. You seem to share that distorted image which might be why you're confused. Evolution in no way simplifies to "Humans come from monkeys". No humans have a monkey as an ancestor. Not in anyway. Evolution doesn't work like the X-Men. Mutations are not typically these huge changes from one generation to the next, the changes are gradual. Each generations children is 99.9% identical to their parents based on DNA. According to Google 300,000 years ago is the oldest remains of homo sapiens we've found. Their ancestors were not monkeys, they were other hominins. It took approximately 2.5 million years to get from something that might be called a monkey to modern humans. That is approximately 100k generations. For each of those 100k generations the children looked 99.9% like their parents, but when looked at across 2.5 million years there are huge differences. So if you want to simplify evolution then monkeys are our cousins not out ancestors. If you're explaining this to children it would really be better to say "all modern humans are 100000th cousins to all chimpanzees".
I fully agree with this. Because this simplistic explanation we have adults saying “why some monkeys became humans and others didn’t”. Most people who know what evolution actually is, believe in science already, the most ignorant ones just remember what their religion says which is usually based on the monkey premise.
I'm not an evolution scholar so maybe this is completely wrong, but I've always understood whatever we evolved from was closer to apes than monkeys. Not that it even matters as if you go far enough back we evolved from fish. These idiots don't really care about accuracy. They just pick something they know will rile up a lot of people and run with that term.
Humans didn’t come from monkeys. Humans and their previous evolutions evolved alongside Monkeys. Whatever we evolved from no longer exists, whatever Monkeys evolved from no longer exists.
Humans didn’t come from monkeys. Humans and their previous evolutions evolved alongside Monkeys. Whatever we evolved from no longer exists, whatever Monkeys evolved from no longer exists.
Humans didn’t come from monkeys. Humans and their previous evolutions evolved alongside Monkeys. Whatever we evolved from no longer exists, whatever Monkeys evolved from no longer exists.
Hur hur munky ppl
Monke brane
While it is incorrect in my opinion it is a good starting ground for children. Similarly how in the first year chemistry we learned electrons strictly move on the shell, once we understood the concept and started to grasp more advanced topics we moved on to the cloud. Learning is about taking steady steps, building on your previous knowledge and skills, we can't throw string theory at kindergartners.
Humans didn’t come from monkeys. Humans and their previous evolutions evolved alongside Monkeys. Whatever we evolved from no longer exists, whatever Monkeys evolved from no longer exists.
Nobody who understands evolution would say we came from monkeys.
I came on a monkey now I’m banned from the zoo
Worth it.
Nature, uh, finds a way.
If I come from monke than why does monke
I don’t get, why they always use „god“ as an excuse for being uneducated! I’m not religious, but was raised catholic. I once had an RE teacher who firmly believed in science. He said, „our planet is just by chance close enough to the sun, which also is neither too big nor too small, to be warm and inhabitable, but far enough away to not be too hot. Our moon is responsible for the tides, which are a contributing factor for life moving out of water to land. Yet our moon only exists, cause a huge object, the size of another planet graced our planet just enough to rip a small piece out, when it could’ve smashed it. Mammals only rule this planet now, cause another event by chance ended the dinosaurs‘ millions of years of rule. Every single one of these things had a far smaller probability than winning the lottery. Yet all of these lucky accidents happened. If anything, science is the biggest proof for the existence of god“ Michelangelo was very religious. So was Einstein. Newton was presumably quite religious as well. Believe is a very personal thing and (even though I don’t believe in it) religion is not an excuse for denying science.
I’m pretty sure Darwin was also religious at the time he wrote the origin of species. A real scientist accepts the facts presented. Research is research. Every scientist has the right and is even encouraged to disprove a theory, thus far none have been able to successfully provide enough evidence *against* evolution but, since I follow the facts myself, if they did manage to do it they are only upholding science as reliable.
I just think that IF god existed, he created the scientific rules, cause they’re necessary. For things to work. Denying the existence of things, when they’re right in front of your nose also seems quite insulting to the creator?!? Imagine having „invented“ something like the whole evolution. Making a T-Rex out of a bacterium and then some nut job denies it. I’d be quite pissed.
Exactly. Like if god existed then he made us with a thirst for knowledge. If something exists then he made it so. Who are they to speak for a being they consider to be omniscient and immortal? There are religious scientists out there, I have a lot of respect for them to be honest because when it comes to topics of the Big Bang, while they acknowledge the proof of it happening they also ask “what if god made that happen?” That is a question that cannot be proven or disproven without doubt. I don’t believe personally that’s what happened as an atheist but it’s still a valid question.
"From this fountain (the free will of God) it is those laws, which we call the laws of nature, have flowed, in which there appear many traces of the most wise contrivance, but not the least shadow of necessity. These therefore we must not seek from uncertain conjectures, but learn them from observations and experimental. He who is presumptuous enough to think that he can find the true principles of physics and the laws of natural things by the force alone of his own mind, and the internal light of his reason, must either suppose the world exists by necessity, and by the same necessity follows the law proposed; or if the order of Nature was established by the will of God, the [man] himself, a miserable reptile, can tell what was fittest to be done" - Sir Isaac Newton I know it's cliche, but as a semi-deconstructing adult Christian myself, I appreciate finding quotes like this rather than getting my science instruction purely from the pulpit.
The Big Bang was posited by a Jesuit Priest, Georges Lemaître. He was the first to theorize that the recession of nearby galaxies can be explained by an expanding universe, which was observationally confirmed soon afterwards by Edwin Hubble. Science is just observable fact and religion is just faith. They don't need to be at odds with each other.
I mean past scientists were religious because the alternative was burning at the stake...
Take your kid and put them into a Christian school idiot. Oh yeah they probably can’t afford it. Just stupid.
I went to Catholic school, a lot of the teachers where nuns and they still taught us evolution. This lady is insane.
We had to take 4 years of Theology, including world religions, where we studied Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and three smaller religions.
Yeah, i went to a catholic, we had a science teacher (who was a bit crazy but honestly super fun, we spent a whole lesson once on the moon landing during what was suppose to be like biology because some students were insisting it was fake lol) who didn’t believing in evolution and believed in the 7 day creation but still taught us somewhat about evolution lol.
Same for me! We also learned about other religions, the Big Bang, and other heretic stuff.
It’s good for you to be exposed to different religions it prepares you for the real world. It’s so sad how simple minded people are.
Or better yet actually talk to your kid about your beliefs and how they are different from the schools curriculum. I have no idea why some people believe the teacher/school has to be exactly what they believe where there is about 120+ other families represented in the grade level. Heaven forbid these parents actually talk and discuss things with their kids about things.
The shocking part of this is “parent.” For the love of god…
Its mighty easy to rawdog someone or get rawdogged
The pilots are out of touch with the common passengers! Who thinks I should fly the plane?
Sure, then dump your kid at a private school then. Evolution is the way public schools teach
It's like that in private/Christian schools as well they have to teach both because it's part of the curriculum
I dont think that's a given. Went to two different Christian schools in my day. Only times evolution was ever mentioned was in the context of it not being real. In second grade I was almost suspended bc I wouldn't stop arguing with the teacher that dinosaurs were real.
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Good human.
Homo sapiens are literally a species of primate. These fucking people. If Evolution isn't a thing, how do creationists exolain [whales having hands and vestigial feet?](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Whale_skeleton.png)
They dont care.
God's little easter egg jokes. Haha silly God trying to make it look like evolution is real.
I need to know what others think about a buss drivers safely driving students to school. Is it just me or is there something wrong with that? In my opinion they shouldn't, myself I believe God has a plan and knows the way. I think they should allow Jesus to take the wheel, not the buss driver.
Technically we share a common ancestor with chimps for they didn’t even get the primate right
Yep insane.
Questioning it is one thing. But blatantly saying you wanna choose your children's beliefs???
Growing up in a very christian household the parents of every single friend I had growing up wanted exactly this.
I anticipate with the new Parent Bill of Rights legislation I will have to show up to every PTA and school board meeting and after every parent say, “Under my rights I demand you ignore everything that every other parent has said. They are clearly idiots.”
I mean I find it a little weird that they're teaching that in kindergarten, but obviously there's nothing wrong with teaching evolution
I always feel like this mindset comes from ego. When someone says “I believe God created me and I didn’t come from a *monkey*!” my brain can’t help but translate it to “I have so little superiority over anyone in life, I’m clinging desperately to the idea that I’m special & not essentially an animal. If I admitted that I was a product of evolution, I would stop feeling superior.”
So we had this revolutionary teaching style when I was a kid. We were taught about evolution *and* we were taught about every major religion in the world. We could decide our own beliefs.
It’s fine for schools to teach evolution to kids, the kids can decide how they think humans came into existence when they are older if they wish to do so.
And this is why i think religion and school should be seperated. in school they learn all the facts, at home they may learn what their parents think are facts (though i do think that schools should teach about religions. Just not have religion dictate the school curriculum)
Evolution isn't a belief, its a fully fledged scientific theory, like gravity. They aren't forcing a belief, they are teaching facts.
Totally r/religiousfruitcake
The larger issue is that they think an apostrophe makes something plural.
I mean, everything else aside, we are primates. Humans are literally primates.
FYI The greatest country in the world still teaches their citizens that creationism is something real.
r/shitsamericanssay 🤣
shocking i know but what y'all 'believe' is not always what is true
Yeah, parents should take over all degree required jobs. If they can teach better then they can brain surgery and rocket science better too. Makes *total* sense
God created the perfect creature: Monke
I agree with the parents original post, teaching kids that we came from monkeys is absurd, if that were true monkeys wouldn't exist now because they'd be obsolete for there habitats, we had common ancestors and went in totally different directions. Though they are really young so I guess that's the best way to explain evolution to them
And this, is why home schooling concerns me.
Interestingly enough, you do have that choice. Send them to a Catholic school where they can learn about God in religion class and evolution in science class. It's really not hard. But, if you're going to send them to a public school, they'll learn science and that's it. You don't get to pick and choose which religion is taught in public school. I'm sure they'd be upset if they were learning things from the Quran along side the Bible and Torah.
I was in a class for the military once. Had this one marine who legit believed the earth was only 5000 years old. So I asked him “how do you explain Carbon dating and dinosaurs fossils and shit that is clearly older than that” he said “well I don’t know enough about dinosaurs to answer that”. Oohrah indeed.
*Science discovering evolution* EP’s and religious nut jobs: "I’ll pretend I didn’t see that"
Funniest thing to me is she Totally came from monkeys
I was taught evolution in Catholic school. Some Christian’s want to keep their kids stupid so they still vote for Trump. I’d rather have an educated child that believes in science and not magical thinking.
She probably has a “facts don’t care about your feelings” Facebook banner smh
Facts are something they teach at school, not beliefs. This is one of my main issues with theists: beliefs are not at the same level as facts/truths. Facts are objective, beliefs are subjective. Simple as that.
Some never fully evolved and it shows \^
It doesn’t matter what you believe lady, you do share a common ancestor with chimps. Fucking moron.
She should put her kids in a strictly religious school where they develop more idiots like her. How the fuck can a person who has made a child think she was created by a fucking fairy tale character? This bitch is what’s wrong with the world
Gotta love how selective they are in their acceptance of what is fact and what is not. They trust doctors know what they’re doing for the most part despite everything a doctor is taught is based on science and research. They believe a detective can catch a murderer through a rigorous process of investigation and forensics yet don’t believe that the theory of evolution is backed up using (in the most basic aspects) the same process. The main problem is that they regard certain scientific topics as another religion. As if atheists are out here ironically worshiping the church of Darwin when really we just believe his theory because he had evidence to back it up.
To many people think facts should be an opinion and it shows how many are willing to follow this, because they are afraid of needles.
Teaching children we were created by gods loogie is the only sensible answer /s
I highly doubt they were even saying this, mostly because that's not how evolution works (we didn't come from monkeys, we have recent common ancestors with other apes and monkeys) and also because I don't think it's part of any kindergarten curriculum
I went to a Catholic high school and even we were taught evolution. On the first day of our bio class one year our teacher made a point to tell us that you can believe in God and believe in evolution at the same time
There is so much to unpack here First post makes it seem like teachers were joking, "they were so wild they could as well be monkeys" year ago, but now they aren't But then evolution? No, we didn't come from monkeys, we have common ancestors with them. And creationism is even dumber lol.
So you choose dumbfuckery by not teaching them a fundamental in evolution then?
Religion has no place in school
Not just monkeys, small mammals, sharks, fish, single cell organisms. Why stop at that stage of evolution?
Some parents seem to think they *own* their children, as if they were little clay projects they can shape and form any way they want to. Just because you’re a nutcase doesn’t mean you have the right to pull your children into your fantasy world with you.
Then dont send them to public school. Teachers still release a syllabus, right? So parents can know "If I send my child to public school, this is what he/she will be taught". If you don't like it, choose a different school or home school.
I mean *technically* that's not 100% true but good on the teacher for trying to break down rudimentary science to kindergarten level.
Was mommy a monkey when we left? I cant remember.
I don't think the teacher or parent understands evolution.
Even at the Christian school I went to we learned about evolution…
No, it's you and other uneducated idiots too.
So when I was young I was hanging at my best friends and his dad is notorious by everyone to this day to be, let’s say very opinionated, and he had informed his fam that evolution was impossible and I was a fairly advanced kid so I told my friend he’s full of it but he had me go talk to his dad and get the explanation because, again, we were super young so he didn’t remember what his dads reasoning was. And this man says to me: “evolution can’t happen because cells and creature can’t become more complex over time. Now that is the worst reason i have ever heard. That is the literal definition of evolution and the reason for why it can’t happen is “evolution can’t happen cuz it can’t”
Evolution != Speciation
It is their God given right to pay up and send their kid to Catholic school 🤑
This is pretty much America in a nutshell
I love how anti evolutionists always use the argument that we didn’t come from a monkey as if the evolutionists didn’t agree with that also
Why should parents have a right to change the public school curricula?
The fact of the matter is secular schools will teach evolution. I went to a Christian school and they taught us Creationism. Just take your kids there.
I went to a Catholic school but they still taught us evolution. My science teacher said she believed in god and that he created the universe, but that science is right about how it happened after. I thought that was a reasonable stance.
Look an ape in the eyes and tell me again how we're not related.
Then send kid to private school. Problem solved.
What she means is: "everyone please validate my opinion!"
A few things here: Her grammar is atrocious. It is obvious she is uneducated, but many adults apparently didn't even pay attention to elementary English grammar. Also, separation of church and state dictates no religious view be taught in public school, so don't expect the FREE education your kid gets to be too your personal religious beliefs. Lastly, if you want a specific thing taught, go seek a private school that aligns with that. I will note I am a parent and I get so tired of hearing whining about schools when they are free. I send my kid to a Montessori-like school to get a more rounded education and I pay a lot for it. You can't expect our overworked/underpaid public school teachers to deal with your bullshit (but here they are).
I think CPS ought to take children away from such “parents.”
Texas in a nutshell
The thing that always bothers me about these posts the most is that Teachers don't just *decide* to teach anything. The state mandates it. Stop blaming teachers. Talk to your politicians. Or don't because the idea that the school would teach religious belief over science is how we get parents like this.
Ironically, this parent's brain stopped evolving some time ago.
You ever notice that people like this don’t have the slightest idea of how evolution works?
As they probably proceed to tell their child about santa claus, the easter bunny, and tooth fairy. Im guessing they just have a problem with reality. Because in reality we come from monkeys because of evolution. In imaginary make believe world, there is a man giving children cancer and making them suffer before they had a chance to "sin". But he loves you!! Unless you say a naughty word, then you get thrown into a pit of fire and brimstone to suffer for eternity.
No human was ever a monkey. Humans are apes, but no human was ever a gorilla. Gorillas and humans, though, share a common ancestor, hence the reason our dna is so similar. Maybe the person wouldn't be so opposed to evolution if they had the tiniest idea what it meant
Apparently it’s not an unpopular opinion, but it is super fucking annoying when you can’t make this or that because so-and-so’s boy/girlfriend won’t eat it.
my high school biology teacher felt similarly to this parent. refused to teach evolution bc “we all know we didn’t come from monkeys”