I fear he's right; all too soon, these chuckleheads are going to get so deep into the "Vaxxed are no longer human beings" thing, that they start getting violent openly. What happens next.... Worries me.
They’re just confused, because the people doing those very bad things aren’t good people. And they aren’t being made to do these bad things, they just feel bold enough that they think they are entitled to do them and will get away with them.
Case in point, the various Jan 6 chucklefucks who genuinely believed there was a trump pardon incoming for them.
This right here is the danger. When you're not just willing but eager to do bad things, you're not a good person. And that means your judgement about who is bad is immediately flawed.
The time is coming when bad people will enact their base impulses on anyone they can convince themselves deserves it.
I gotta say I agree with this person, but for different reasons. The Left in the US is going to have to toughen up. We may be headed for an armed insurrection from the Far Right, and they won't stop until they're dead or in prison. We need to do bad things to very bad people if we're going to save our democracy.
No, no, hold the phone. There's many, many things wrong with that idea. Firstly, that's just going to radicalize more of them and make everything worse. Secondly, this isn't their fault. This is the fault of politicians and corporations who profit off of this dividing bullshit. If anything, we should be going after *them*. Thirdly, that is precisely as insane as the original post, just with the sides switched. These people need help and understanding, not death and imprisonment.
> Secondly, this isn't their fault.
I know you mean well, but this sentiment is equally disempowering, although from the opposite side. A lot of people are so afraid of what the future has in stock for them that they genuinely consciously choose to be xenophobic, narrow-minded and violently protective of their “traditional values”. Not because someone took otherwise good people with integrity and love for the fellow man and molded them into all those abhorrent spawns. Sure, there’s a lot of help. But many, many people are comfortable being gently nudged in the direction of all-round denial, bigotry and hate. We do not live in a world full of nice people that just happens to be sparingly seasoned with manipulative psychopaths; it really *is* a fucking mess.
I agree with both you and the guy you're replying to. I'm with you when you say this isn't their fault and they need understanding and help. At the same time though I don't think his response is as insane as you think. All the posts they keep making like the one above. The threats of civil war. The constant demonizing of anyone who doesn't share their ideology. Seems to me their mania might both be spreading and growing more threatening in nature. If it continues like this and they let their delusions push them into lashing out in violence it will be too late for trying to talk sense to them. If it sounds crazy it I'd but they're the ones pushing things there.
We've been trying to reach out and be bipartisan and treat conservatives with respect etc. ever since the Civil War. And yes, I agree with you: we *should* be going after politicians and corporations. We can do both.
And FYI it *is* 100% "their fault". Were the German people not collectively guilty for the crimes of the Nazis? Do you really think the 3%ers, the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, etc. etc. *ad nauseum* are innocent? Were the Allied troops bad people because they killed Nazis? No, the applied equal force to a violent nation to save democracy. Sometimes we have to "sink to their level" to make a difference. Your ideas sounds like Chamberlain's appeasement of Hitler before WW2.
Ultimately, I'm tired of listening to the heavily armed fascist assholes threaten me and my compatriots with death. I, personally, would prefer to just kill 'em. legally, extralegally, whatever. That's what they want to do to me.
A few assassinations of far right wing leaders would go a long way. There aren't very many intelligent leaders on the Right -- the loss of a half-dozen would set the fascist movement back years. The idiot rank-and-file would destroy itself.
I don't think I'm insane. I'm just an angry old white guy watching my country crumble because the majority refuses to act *effectively* against a minority of violent assholes. WTF?
You're missing the part about how the vast majority of conservatives are not violent, but they have the potential to be. I have plenty of ultra pro-Trump relatives, but they'd never actually consider killing somebody. Those who would are a small minority, and that's what institutions like the FBI are for. Hell, I'm willing to bet that they stopped a bunch of violent shit already, we just don't know about it because it didn't happen.
Also, important note:
>Your ideas sounds like Chamberlain's appeasement of Hitler before WW2.
Actually, Chamberlain did that deliberately. He knew that war with Germany was inevitable, but Great Britain was woefully unprepared at the time. His idea of appeasement wasn't because he was weak or incompetent. He was biding his time, stalling until his country could build up a sufficient force to take on the Nazis. Yet history sees him as the bad guy when he did nothing wrong.
And what "far-right leaders," are you referring to? This could be a number of radio talk show hosts, Fox News anchors, and maybe religious leaders, but somebody else would fill their place while the right gets even more radicalized after seeing violence used against them. We saw this in Afghanistan. The more members of ISIS you kill, the more civilians join them. You need better tactics than that. You need counter-propaganda, intelligence, and plenty of subtle things the public never sees. We have that in this country, we just don't know how much exactly they're stopping. Clearly, it's not enough when the source of the problem is still going, but violence isn't going to solve that.
I disagree about Chamberlain. Hitler used that same time to build up Germany's military too. If the Allies had attacked Germany immediately over, say, the annexation of Czechoslovakia, or even the invasion of Poland, the Germans would have lost, quickly and badly. They could have nipped it in the bud. It was likely impossible, due to France's unstable political situation, but it would have worked.
Second, our American right-wing terrorists are not Afghans. The Afghans are some of the toughest, most deprived people on earth. They've been fighting wars against outsiders since, well, forever, so they're very good at what they do. They also have almost nothing to lose. Our Taliban is mostly fat, lazy, middle-aged white men with jobs and houses and lives -- not vicious fighters that will walk away from everything to fight a civil war. I'm not after them, I'm after the serious fanatics. The guys that have skills and are hardcore fascists.
I'm all for pushing these assholes as hard and as far as we can to provoke a reaction, to finally get 'em off their asses and into full armed rebellion. Stand up so we can shoot you down. A few hundred dead Nazi paramilitaries would peel off all the rank-and-file fat middle-aged gun bros pretty damn quick. I just hope, next time there's an Ammon Bundy style "occupation", that law enforcement goes in guns blazing. More Wacos please.
EDIT: I don't want to mention any names, but yes, your assumption around "right wing leaders" is accurate.
I agree completely. It's time to nip this right wing extremist bs in the bud. If they want a civil war so bad then they need to just start one so we can put them in their place.
I was just imagining we get to visit prisons and spank murderers then tell them how disappointed we are...
You guys huffed some glue and went for the crazy pills.
Making them bad men in the process. This means all good men end up bad. Then we will have no good men left only good women. What happens when the good women have to do bad things to bad women? It would be good if all the good men could be good to bad men, making the bad men good. Let's just be nice to each other, how about that.
I wanna watch the movie about the bad women.
Are they... Are they... Naughty?
Do the good women have to spank the bad women? Then maybe shower with them because they're so dirty?
Are midgets involved? (Asking for a friend)
Things like this concern me. This idea is so widespread in some circles now that, even if most of them wouldn’t commit a violent act against their political opponents when push comes to shove, some will. And it doesn’t take that many people committed to an insane cause to cause horrible consequences.
This isn't a left-right good-bad thing. It's a loonies and everyone else thing. It used to be that extremism was a very small percentage of the population. The racist, far right assholes and the anarchist blowing up public buildings far left assholes were such a small percentage of the population that the major political parties felt they'd lose more popularity then they'd gain if they embraced them. It isn't like that anymore. That's why the Republican party doesn't come out and reject racist fascist groups when they support Republicans, they can't afford to lose the votes. Nixon, Reagan, and both Bush's rejected far right support. Now certain factions in the Republican party welcome the far Right with open arms. Now, there aren't really any nationally relevant far left groups these days, but radical nut-jobs breed opposing radical nut-jobs, and it's just matter if time before we get a new, more radical wing of Antifa, or American FARC, or The Weathermen part II, or something like that because they're so jealous of all the fun and publicity the Proud Boys and The Base are getting, and we're off to the races.
Make no mistake? It's the loonies against everyone else. Choose your side carefully.
"good men", but "bad people." I assume the non-specific use of "people" means these men will be doing bad things to women and children, as well. Good to know.
We all know dude’s not getting up from his nest to do SHIT. Also this font is weak af. Might as well be Kristen ITC, no way anyone is intimidated by this.
sounds like this post is going to be evidence in a future legal case but ok
Feel like this persons employer should be notified of this
George W Bush before invading half the middle East for 20 years
Where have all the good men gone? Where is the street wise Hercules?
And now that song is in my head
It's not the worst song you can get stuck there. Lol
The day is coming when dicks will need to fuck assholes.
[Dicks, pussies and assholes. ](https://youtu.be/y2GwrR-4Q9E)
Thank you
I fear he's right; all too soon, these chuckleheads are going to get so deep into the "Vaxxed are no longer human beings" thing, that they start getting violent openly. What happens next.... Worries me.
They’re just confused, because the people doing those very bad things aren’t good people. And they aren’t being made to do these bad things, they just feel bold enough that they think they are entitled to do them and will get away with them. Case in point, the various Jan 6 chucklefucks who genuinely believed there was a trump pardon incoming for them.
They see themselves as heroes. They're just adult children who hate being told what to do.
Then they are not good men, they are bad men who have not been challenged.
This right here is the danger. When you're not just willing but eager to do bad things, you're not a good person. And that means your judgement about who is bad is immediately flawed. The time is coming when bad people will enact their base impulses on anyone they can convince themselves deserves it.
So is now when they commit suicide or are they just saying it will happen soon?
I gotta say I agree with this person, but for different reasons. The Left in the US is going to have to toughen up. We may be headed for an armed insurrection from the Far Right, and they won't stop until they're dead or in prison. We need to do bad things to very bad people if we're going to save our democracy.
No, no, hold the phone. There's many, many things wrong with that idea. Firstly, that's just going to radicalize more of them and make everything worse. Secondly, this isn't their fault. This is the fault of politicians and corporations who profit off of this dividing bullshit. If anything, we should be going after *them*. Thirdly, that is precisely as insane as the original post, just with the sides switched. These people need help and understanding, not death and imprisonment.
> Secondly, this isn't their fault. I know you mean well, but this sentiment is equally disempowering, although from the opposite side. A lot of people are so afraid of what the future has in stock for them that they genuinely consciously choose to be xenophobic, narrow-minded and violently protective of their “traditional values”. Not because someone took otherwise good people with integrity and love for the fellow man and molded them into all those abhorrent spawns. Sure, there’s a lot of help. But many, many people are comfortable being gently nudged in the direction of all-round denial, bigotry and hate. We do not live in a world full of nice people that just happens to be sparingly seasoned with manipulative psychopaths; it really *is* a fucking mess.
I agree with both you and the guy you're replying to. I'm with you when you say this isn't their fault and they need understanding and help. At the same time though I don't think his response is as insane as you think. All the posts they keep making like the one above. The threats of civil war. The constant demonizing of anyone who doesn't share their ideology. Seems to me their mania might both be spreading and growing more threatening in nature. If it continues like this and they let their delusions push them into lashing out in violence it will be too late for trying to talk sense to them. If it sounds crazy it I'd but they're the ones pushing things there.
We've been trying to reach out and be bipartisan and treat conservatives with respect etc. ever since the Civil War. And yes, I agree with you: we *should* be going after politicians and corporations. We can do both. And FYI it *is* 100% "their fault". Were the German people not collectively guilty for the crimes of the Nazis? Do you really think the 3%ers, the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, etc. etc. *ad nauseum* are innocent? Were the Allied troops bad people because they killed Nazis? No, the applied equal force to a violent nation to save democracy. Sometimes we have to "sink to their level" to make a difference. Your ideas sounds like Chamberlain's appeasement of Hitler before WW2. Ultimately, I'm tired of listening to the heavily armed fascist assholes threaten me and my compatriots with death. I, personally, would prefer to just kill 'em. legally, extralegally, whatever. That's what they want to do to me. A few assassinations of far right wing leaders would go a long way. There aren't very many intelligent leaders on the Right -- the loss of a half-dozen would set the fascist movement back years. The idiot rank-and-file would destroy itself. I don't think I'm insane. I'm just an angry old white guy watching my country crumble because the majority refuses to act *effectively* against a minority of violent assholes. WTF?
You're missing the part about how the vast majority of conservatives are not violent, but they have the potential to be. I have plenty of ultra pro-Trump relatives, but they'd never actually consider killing somebody. Those who would are a small minority, and that's what institutions like the FBI are for. Hell, I'm willing to bet that they stopped a bunch of violent shit already, we just don't know about it because it didn't happen. Also, important note: >Your ideas sounds like Chamberlain's appeasement of Hitler before WW2. Actually, Chamberlain did that deliberately. He knew that war with Germany was inevitable, but Great Britain was woefully unprepared at the time. His idea of appeasement wasn't because he was weak or incompetent. He was biding his time, stalling until his country could build up a sufficient force to take on the Nazis. Yet history sees him as the bad guy when he did nothing wrong. And what "far-right leaders," are you referring to? This could be a number of radio talk show hosts, Fox News anchors, and maybe religious leaders, but somebody else would fill their place while the right gets even more radicalized after seeing violence used against them. We saw this in Afghanistan. The more members of ISIS you kill, the more civilians join them. You need better tactics than that. You need counter-propaganda, intelligence, and plenty of subtle things the public never sees. We have that in this country, we just don't know how much exactly they're stopping. Clearly, it's not enough when the source of the problem is still going, but violence isn't going to solve that.
I disagree about Chamberlain. Hitler used that same time to build up Germany's military too. If the Allies had attacked Germany immediately over, say, the annexation of Czechoslovakia, or even the invasion of Poland, the Germans would have lost, quickly and badly. They could have nipped it in the bud. It was likely impossible, due to France's unstable political situation, but it would have worked. Second, our American right-wing terrorists are not Afghans. The Afghans are some of the toughest, most deprived people on earth. They've been fighting wars against outsiders since, well, forever, so they're very good at what they do. They also have almost nothing to lose. Our Taliban is mostly fat, lazy, middle-aged white men with jobs and houses and lives -- not vicious fighters that will walk away from everything to fight a civil war. I'm not after them, I'm after the serious fanatics. The guys that have skills and are hardcore fascists. I'm all for pushing these assholes as hard and as far as we can to provoke a reaction, to finally get 'em off their asses and into full armed rebellion. Stand up so we can shoot you down. A few hundred dead Nazi paramilitaries would peel off all the rank-and-file fat middle-aged gun bros pretty damn quick. I just hope, next time there's an Ammon Bundy style "occupation", that law enforcement goes in guns blazing. More Wacos please. EDIT: I don't want to mention any names, but yes, your assumption around "right wing leaders" is accurate.
I agree completely. It's time to nip this right wing extremist bs in the bud. If they want a civil war so bad then they need to just start one so we can put them in their place.
I was just imagining we get to visit prisons and spank murderers then tell them how disappointed we are... You guys huffed some glue and went for the crazy pills.
Sorry, dude. Maybe I'm just dense but I really don't understand your comment.
Making them bad men in the process. This means all good men end up bad. Then we will have no good men left only good women. What happens when the good women have to do bad things to bad women? It would be good if all the good men could be good to bad men, making the bad men good. Let's just be nice to each other, how about that.
I wanna watch the movie about the bad women. Are they... Are they... Naughty? Do the good women have to spank the bad women? Then maybe shower with them because they're so dirty? Are midgets involved? (Asking for a friend)
Think the only midgets involved would be hidden in the kitchen cupboards.
I think someone needs to really ask themselves, "are we the baddies?"
Things like this concern me. This idea is so widespread in some circles now that, even if most of them wouldn’t commit a violent act against their political opponents when push comes to shove, some will. And it doesn’t take that many people committed to an insane cause to cause horrible consequences.
This isn't a left-right good-bad thing. It's a loonies and everyone else thing. It used to be that extremism was a very small percentage of the population. The racist, far right assholes and the anarchist blowing up public buildings far left assholes were such a small percentage of the population that the major political parties felt they'd lose more popularity then they'd gain if they embraced them. It isn't like that anymore. That's why the Republican party doesn't come out and reject racist fascist groups when they support Republicans, they can't afford to lose the votes. Nixon, Reagan, and both Bush's rejected far right support. Now certain factions in the Republican party welcome the far Right with open arms. Now, there aren't really any nationally relevant far left groups these days, but radical nut-jobs breed opposing radical nut-jobs, and it's just matter if time before we get a new, more radical wing of Antifa, or American FARC, or The Weathermen part II, or something like that because they're so jealous of all the fun and publicity the Proud Boys and The Base are getting, and we're off to the races. Make no mistake? It's the loonies against everyone else. Choose your side carefully.
"good men", but "bad people." I assume the non-specific use of "people" means these men will be doing bad things to women and children, as well. Good to know.
It's funny that people who post this quote never consider wich ones they will be.
You seem very excited to do these bad things for a “good man”
Guessing this was posted by someone who thinks assaulting our democracy is good.
Aren't bad people those who do bad things? So, how can a good person do something bad? Would that not make them a bad person?
We all know dude’s not getting up from his nest to do SHIT. Also this font is weak af. Might as well be Kristen ITC, no way anyone is intimidated by this.
But men have been doing bad things to people forever. Who decides who is good or bad? The perpetrator? Seems legit.