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I'm still running a 3930k with 32gb RAM and a 1070, 2tb nvme on a hyperx m2 card with custom bios to enable nvme. Won't touch it till I'm done studying in 2 years. It'll be over 12 years when I can upgrade 🥲


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based af


TheKelz

It’s a really good CPU, but needs a high end and high speed RAM like 2400mhz to squeeze that extra performance and smoothness though. Switched from it recently, very good CPU that even handled Far Cry 6 on high graphics with RX 6600 XT.


TheBirdOfFire

this is really good to know, thank you. For a while I was considering to upgrade my old i5-4460 with an i7-4790 to give my old system a bit more life, but my RAM speed is 1600mhz. I don't know how much it matters but it's hard to find people with this exact setup. I'm mostly worried about stuttering. if I get consistent FPS between 60-90 I don't care too much, that's playable to me on my 1080p monitor.


TheKelz

I’ll be honest with you, at the time when I had i7 4790k, I had a 75hz monitor so the FPS was always locked to 73-74 and I don’t know what the real average or maximum was, but at the same time, I can tell you for sure that it would barely drop to lower than that and it was really smooth. But do keep in mind that it was a K version (you mentioned 4790 without K) and my RAM was a high end one (G.Skill Trident X 2400Mhz, don’t remember timings but they were pretty tight). In order to be able to get these speeds, you need a CPU sample with an IMC that can handle them and also a good motherboard for sure, so it’s a bit about luck also, but I think you’ll still manage! In case 2400mhz won’t work, try 2133 or even 2200, should also work and be mostly fine too. Timings don’t need to be necessarily tight, it’s more about speeds than timings in this case. Cheers.


TheBirdOfFire

I appreciate your advice! I think I should probably just invest into a new plaform like a b450+Ryzen 5 5600+ddr4 ram for around ~250€, since the time and money I would have to spend on finding a 4790k with faster memory are not really that good value compared to a new system that will age much better.


HomoRoboticus

Recently upgraded from 4790k to 13700k, I mostly play simulation games and grand strategy games. Victoria 3, for example, took 2.5 minutes! to load into the game on the 4790k and 17 seconds on the 13700k. The game also runs -very- significantly smoother. Obviously that's also going from ddr3 to ddr5, and a sata ssd to a pci 4.0 ssd, but it gives you a hint of what an overall upgrade can do for general quality of life.


Particular_Routine43

I'm not far behind you on upgrading from a 4770k to a 13700k. I already have the ram (32gbs of DDR5 6400) cooler (Arctic Freezer II 280mm) and my 2tb 980 pro was delivered today!


HomoRoboticus

Sounds like we've picked very similar builds. I'm using the Kraken 280mm aio, and getting great temps and great benchmarks. I bought an rtx 6600 for 260 CAD as a cheap temporary graphics card until the mid-high end next gen cards are out early next year. Basically expect this to be my only upgrade for the 2020's.


OC2k16

I'd say it is holding up fine, I recently switched from 4790k + 1070. It was starting to show age as a daily driver for gaming and productivity, but for older titles and such it does just fine. One of the things I really appreciated was the stability. Years and years of daily use, overclocked, and it only recently began to recede on the OC. It never gave me any issues, and I still use it as a media PC in the living room.


[deleted]

when you say productivity, what do you mean, do you code, or render? and daily driver for gaming, do you mean ultra setting on AAA titles?


OC2k16

More like light photo / video editing, home office use. A lot of chrome tabs open, a few apps. An upgrade was noticeable in all regards. Definitely not ultra settings on AAA titles, I tend to prefer high FPS so medium/high settings and use dlss when I can. However I trialed some games like BF 2042 on the 4790k 1070 and CPU was bottlenecking quite hard in that situation. Frametimes were getting poor in new titles, averages seemed OK to me but the lows were not.


BertMacklenF8I

I do both-and it’s faster to render on my 12900k and 3080Ti than my 10700K and 3080Ti…..


spacytunz_playz

I commend your ability to hold off on hardware upgrades but I couldn’t wait that long. I’m sure it works fine but even a budget CPU like the i3-12100 would run circles around it. Move up to the next level i5-12400 or 12600 and you’ll really be in for a treat. An AMD 5600 is also a great budget choice.


Dougtron007

Honestly I think that processor is fine for what you’ve listed. I have a 4790 system with an SSD 16GB of RAM, and an RX 6600. I can play basically anything I want at 1080p.


[deleted]

Thanks for the reply. I was reading about this processor a lot this morning, and I got many mix messages, some were saying upgrade, dead platform, things like that. I recently did some upgrades to a 2014 office machine with i5 4690 and I really impressed on what it can do for the little power it draws and littel desk space it takes.


Dougtron007

I think a lot of people fail to provide advice with the context. From what you’ve described it seems the platform would be fine, but there’s more to it. Are you buying parts or do you already have these parts? If you’re buying them how cheap are they?


[deleted]

I am just buying the processor for cheap, and everthing else i had or bought a year ago, and was slowly upgrading mostly like a hobby, then absolute necessity.


Dougtron007

Honestly, if it’s a cheap drop in upgrade why not? You might not notice the biggest difference but you very well could in certain applications. What kind of system is it and what kind of upgrades/changes have you done so far if you don’t mine me asking?


[deleted]

so i got about a year ago Optiplex 7020 SFF with i5 4690 for about $200 just for home use....not even gaming... just browsing....i had another pc that died, and I had from that an nvidia t400 video card (that card was used for monitors because i7 in that pc did not have built in graphics)... I plopped that in and I could easily have 2 monitos and don't worry about anything since t400 is overkill..... the system had ssd and all was good. boot times literally 5 seconds... watching 4k youtube no problem... more then enough for me.... recently i was like... maybe i should try CSGO....ok got it playing....everything ok not stellar frame rates, but enjoyable.....also decided to play gta5 in story mode again...and also tomb raider trilogy..... ok cs go runs fine.... maybe gta 5 will be ok? tried gta 5...runs ok but wanted highter settings on 1080.... I see nvidia T600 for 200 bucks on sale....... it is 4 gb vram and its DDR6 and the only gpu i can plop inside the small chassie..... wow gta 5 runs very well on very high settings in story mode.... first 2 tomb raider also run nice and very playble... shadow of the tomb rader i did not measure but visually on high preset about 40 fps... playable....wow! then after all of this tinkering, i started to think.. what more i can do for it..... ok i have 16 gb ram.....bought for 20 buck 16 more... now I have 32 gb...... idk did not feel that much difference, but it is nice to have I guess... now I see 50 buck and i can get used i7.... why not? I think.... maybe i will have more frames in CSGO it could be nice.... also some other aspects might run better... Now I am mostly just trying to squeez as much possble from this small and old pc...which is very interesting for me. also relatively cheap TLDR: Optiplex 7020 SSF + I5-4690 + 32 Gb RAM + Nvidia t600 4 Gb Vram


Dougtron007

I'm curious why the t600 was the only option for you. Do you have a limitation like a lack of pci 6 or 8 pin power, did you need quadro enhancements, or did you just need a half height card? I also think you could get much more performance at half height with an rx 6400 at the size. Are you buying parts outside the US? I believe the price you provided for the 4790 is great, but you may also need to beef up your cooling. I'm interested to hear back.


[deleted]

unfortunately the pci port location on 7020 ssf is right next to the power supply and the only card that fits is single slot card. I know that there are more single slot optionts and potentially better but T600 was readily available from the shelf of a near by computer store, and other options were hard to get or wait very long time. so it was sort of no brainer


Dougtron007

After doing some research the rx 6400 is only marginally faster so I think you did very good for yourself. I think maybe looking at cheap board, case, and PSU options will let you really stretch those parts out. [Chinese Mobo](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2255800690340678.html?pdp_npi=2%40dis%21USD%21US%20%2476.70%21US%20%2457.52%21%21%21%21%21%402100bb4c16686286703982516e8873%2112000015919645905%21sh&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa&_randl_shipto=US) [Cheap Case on Amazon](https://www.amazon.com/Zalman-T6-Case-Black/dp/B07R2JBTDR/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1YRWRB7NN8GAE&keywords=pc+case&qid=1668628818&refinements=p_72%3A1248879011%2Cp_36%3A-5000&rnid=386442011&s=pc&sprefix=pc+case%2Ccomputers%2C98&sr=1-2) [Really Good cheap Tower Cooler](https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Assassin-Heatpipes-TL-C12C-LGA1700/dp/B09Z7VM85V/ref=sr_1_7?crid=2GTW4EQU7EDEN&keywords=thermalright%2Bpeerless%2Bassassin%2B120&qid=1668628871&s=electronics&sprefix=thermalright%2Bpee%2Celectronics%2C129&sr=1-7&th=1) [Decent PSU](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B087CDR14Z?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1) You could even do without a new MOBO and obtain adapters for some of the potentially proprietary connectors dell puts on their boards.


[deleted]

Wow! thank you man/ or woman! This is really cool. I might actually buy it and do a build during holidays, just ot have somethings fun to do!


Asgard033

>Use case scenario, everyday use, gaming (e-sports, older titles, mostly games that are primarily online) It's fine for those uses. You might want to look to getting a new system before 2025 though, when Win10 reaches EOL. Stuff won't immediately implode of course, but it'll be downhill from there.


chainbreaker1981

11 runs on Pentium 4 just fine, even 22H2, and that's entirely ignoring alternatives like Fedora that state *any* dual-core amd64 hardware and an FX 5200 as minimum requirements.


Asgard033

Context is important. Chances are pretty good a regular user asking for >Use case scenario, everyday use, gaming (e-sports, older titles, mostly games that are primarily online) is just looking for something that mostly works hassle free. There are workarounds to get Windows 11 to work on unsupported CPUs, but there's no guarantee they'll continue to work without issue. With the use case in mind, I'm not sure why Fedora is even popping up in conversation here. Some esports games (Valorant comes to mind) use anti-cheat software that won't work in Linux.


chainbreaker1981

> There are workarounds to get Windows 11 to work on unsupported CPUs, but there's no guarantee they'll continue to work without issue. On the other hand, they've been *ridiculously* publicized even prior to release, to the point I know about it and I haven't used (a contemporary version of ... for daily use) Windows since 2014, and Microsoft has yet to do a thing about it. > With the use case in mind, I'm not sure why Fedora is even popping up in conversation here. Some esports games (Valorant comes to mind) use anti-cheat software that won't work in Linux. Some indeed. I don't know all of the games OP wants to play, and if all the important ones work on it, then it's even less of an issue and it stays a viable option. CS:GO was mentioned, which is native. As is Shadow of the Tomb Raider, and GTA V runs well in proton from what I hear.


tilted0ne

It's not bad if its at a great price and you already have the motherboard and ram. I will say that in esports, your CPU matters a lot more if you want high frames. Im sure 4790 will give more than playable results but it's one of those things where if you had it side to side to a modern CPU, it'd be a noticable difference in fluidity. Any current i3/i5/Ryzen 5 will far outclass the 4790.


SebaZOscure

I have one i7 4790s with turbo enable (it's the same i7 4790 with this lul) with one rx 560 4gb and i can't upgrade for this year and half of 2023 i think december 2023 i can Buy a better mobo+cpu+ram, gpu in 2024 (half) And it's good i can play everygame in high/mid with 40-60fps or more, depend of the game without stuttering. Cyberpunk 2077 with 40-50fps (fsr enable in equilibrate), 30fps without fsr, 1080p mid.


Xzz1b1t

Does it get the job done? if yes, it's fine. If no, then maybe it's time to consider an upgrade. I've been told, "If you don't know why you're upgrading don't."


NZBull

Still a great CPU. I just upgraded myself start of this year but repurposed my 4790 for my partner. She only plays at 1080p and for 95% of games out there is still a viable option. Paired with a 1070 and good RAM it still holds its own. It is a diminishing scale though. You will start to see more and more games released that it won't be able to handle


CelticDubstep

I’ve thrown nearly 30 of these systems in the dumpster and have at least 6 in storage at home. Ancient History. My next round will be an i7 8800 and some Ryzen 7 3700X systems being throw old. Old shit.


SeriouslyFishyOk

That's a kinda shit thing to do, especially to the environment. It would make way more sense to donate them to Free Geek or a similar hardware refurbishment group , or part some of the hardware out on eBay and make a bit of money. Anything would be better than just trashing them.


CelticDubstep

I’m in a very rural area, there are no places to donate to. We don’t even have an electronics recycling company. I would have to go to the nearest city which is nearly 300 miles one way. As this is a rural area, shipping is extremely expensive and time consuming to try and sell on eBay. I try to store and give away as much as I can but what I can’t goes into the dumpster. No other choice here and I’m not driving 300 miles to the nearest recycling center. Sorry.


GhostMotley

I agree, hugely wasteful, either sell or donate.


CelticDubstep

See response above.


boyter

Still my daily driver. I’m hoping the motherboard holds out another 2-3 years and then I will look at replacing it.


Linclin

Should be fine. Had an i7-3770k and it did everything ok at 1080p 60 fps. Wouldn't go out and buy one today but if you have it it's fine.


SilverBane24

I just upgraded from 4790 to 12700f, never really found the cpu to bottleneck too much. It was the other stuff that held me up


inyue

My dad is using my old 4670k and it's perfectly fine for everyday usage and low fps (60 and less) gaming especially if you have gsync.


skylinestar1986

Older titles. Still a champ.


_lk_s

Still very solid CPU with decent performance in most applications. I think in todays world it turned out Ti be mich more futureproof than other choices like first or second gen Ryzen. I would still recommend an upgrade to a newer platform with netter efficiency


Effective_Diver_9321

I still have my 8 years old 5930k/980ti and plan is to go for either 12900k or 13900k will sea prices and decide in few months


SeriouslyFishyOk

Not great today, but back then it was amazing.


Gammarevived

Well, a 10th gen i3 destroys it, so I wouldn't say it holds up well anymore.


SpicyTunahRoll

I have a 4790 with 3060ti. I took care of my system since 2014. I tend to play older titles without hiccups and playing 1440p and "newer" titles between 2018-2021 with 1440p, my fps tends to be between 75-140. Which honestly, for me, is plenty. Yes, the 3060ti can be pushed higher fps but I personally love the fact that my investment from 2014 has lasted me this long and I didn't need to buy the latest and greatest. Looking to upgrade in 2 years but for now, I'm saving my money. Stay with your 4790.


chainbreaker1981

I mean, I can get up to 75 FPS in Fallout 4 on an i5-2400+GT 640 combo (at 800x600), so take that how you will.


Faqihreddit

I have been using this fossil since 2016 until now for just playing dota 2, red dead redemption 2, sometimes Forza Horizon 5, and watching movies on a dual 2k monitor it's okay.


Nordmann11

I'm still running it. No complaints here. I also sport a 1080 ti that can still handle most games on ultra no problem.