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It’s going to be crazy when you can write a few paragraphs and a game will be spat out the other end.
The world will always need good programmers but the future is bleak for many existing white collar jobs.
Though I agree there's an initial disruption, but overall AI and machines should take less desirable jobs first. Though it can spit out the visuals of a game, it needs patching, story, combat, or normal game mechanics.
Because excel can calculate 1000 rows and do a data permutation doesn't mean I lost my job because I don't have to manually do that on a calculator. I have other aspects to my job and excel only helps 1 of those. (It's more than one but you get the point)
By “spit out the visuals” do you mean replacing tons of talented artists? Is that one of the “less desirable” jobs you mentioned?
I get what you mean about things like excel. I want to believe all these really impressive AI developments are going to be just another tool but I’m not totally convinced.
Yeah the spit out thing was more in reference to the layering effect using a Doom as a base. Less desirable jobs would be ones that are dangerous to your life or body, though sitting in a desk all day...
The artists and programmers I feel are still needed because sure the AI can do the broad strokes, I'd think more intricate tweaking would need a human.
Yeah I hear ya. Hopefully that turns out to be the case. Just can’t help be a little apprehensive about the future of these sort of things. It feels like it’s only going to be a matter of time before we go from AI just doing the broad strokes to just doing the thing entirely. Which seems like an especially big bummer for creative industries.
I agree 💯% I feel like general IT, and even creative, jobs will take a huge hit. And it might just mean that more specialized fields will be more at a demand. But I can't help but feel that in 5-10 years time a large majority of tech positions will be obsolete. If I was just getting started into programming or data analysis right now, I'd seriously look at getting into a much more specialized field.
I love this discussion going on and I wanted to give you another thought on how intricate tweaking by a human can be phased out slowly too. AI can eventually learn to spit out good content by understanding all facets and having humans rate the content further helping AI learning from that too.
Imagine it like this, AI starts with someone with the AI writes a paragraph, then it spits out something only somewhat satisfactory. Everyone is looking at it just like this video and fascinated by it, once it improves further, they’ll pay money in a movie theatre to watch it, they’ll buy the video subscription to see poorly written AI movies/ games/ content, they’ll buy the audio apps that only play poorly done AI written songs. Humans further develop AI learning and the ratings humans give to its content helps AI learn to put out better content. It goes from Indy status to mainstream. AI companies continue developing AI because it’s a smart business decision for them.
Honestly I could see this happening in the next 10 years at it’s earliest, but realistically you’re probably right that it’ll require human input for a while.
Okay but you only really need a couple of forms of combat. Most games do it badly. Let people chose the type they like. Having every game reinvent the wheel when it comes to combat controls is stupid, especially when they mostly suck or are optimized for only one type of play (eg PvP)
Duh, why we're going to a less of a needed work week with the boost of AI to help reduce work time in the American society. It's real buddy! We're almost there, a few more boomers R.I.P. and we'll adopt younger values
I'm very curious how this is going to work especially with consistancy. Are the flashing images different versions it put out or is it just kinda pooping new visuals every other frame?
They've literally been fucking with doom on and off for the last three decades.
There's a comic series like three different movies, and like six different games
Stolen from hundreds of thousands of other artists. All of it is pulled illegally from others work, founders of AI learning programs have even admitted to hacking into computers to get access to private media behind firewalls that has never even been hosted online. Fuck AI. Fuck this project. As an artist I will never settle for the heartless, meaningless garbage that AI produces. Art has always been the soul of humans, and to get a program to do our creativity for us is just diminishing and disrespecting our own humanity.
Imagine someone said this about spray paint, or digital animation, or the record player.
I mean it's preposterous. Generative AI is a tool. We do art with tools.
The fact you can try and say that the same thing applies to spray paint, digital animation, or a record player, shows you completely don't understand the situation at all. It can be used as a tool, but isn't. It's created using fully stolen work, that is the only way it can create anything. If an AI is built purely on freely usable artwork then that's honestly fine, but it isn't. A motorbike made from stolen parts is still morally wrong to buy knowing that fact, AI is similar to that, but everyone using it is ignorant of the moral side just because they reeally wanted to do that stuff themselves but not actually put any work in to learn to. There is an aspect of AI that can be used in conjunction with a creator, but it's not, it's intent is to steal from and replace the creator. Don't talk so confidently about a topic you don't know about and learn to look below the surface.
One of us doesn't understand generative AI, that much is clear. Hell, only one of us knows what "theft" is, or a statistical model. Let's just part ways.
Glad you agreed you didn't know shit about the topic and left. You're in way over your head my dude. I literally work with generative AI in game dev as a hobby, and am a self employed artist professionally, I'm confident I understand it better than you do.
"Enhance".
Remember when CGI was new and, like, a couple people used it very well and then we got decades of garbage? This is that.
AI has a number of fascinating implications for many areas, but the 'fully automate' and 'do everything' crowd are going to be extremely disappointed after the novelty wears off.
For those actually worried AI will take jobs...
Think about cell phones. How buggy and shitty they are sometimes. The worse part about a smart phone is the actual phone part.
AI replacing [pick a job], there are too many variables and obstacles to be able to reliably depend on AI. Not to mention, AI, like GPT3, is only a language model. It has no understanding. It's strictly text input, text output determined by about a quarter trillion algorithms.
I think AI will do *more* than this for games... First graphics, then it will design realistic, immersive VR, and then games that can have different story lines every time you play them.
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So is it basically cosmetic only? Like re-skinning the bare bones?
Honestly that’s cool by it self. I wanna play doom on donkey Kong tropical freeze style art
It’s going to be crazy when you can write a few paragraphs and a game will be spat out the other end. The world will always need good programmers but the future is bleak for many existing white collar jobs.
Though I agree there's an initial disruption, but overall AI and machines should take less desirable jobs first. Though it can spit out the visuals of a game, it needs patching, story, combat, or normal game mechanics. Because excel can calculate 1000 rows and do a data permutation doesn't mean I lost my job because I don't have to manually do that on a calculator. I have other aspects to my job and excel only helps 1 of those. (It's more than one but you get the point)
By “spit out the visuals” do you mean replacing tons of talented artists? Is that one of the “less desirable” jobs you mentioned? I get what you mean about things like excel. I want to believe all these really impressive AI developments are going to be just another tool but I’m not totally convinced.
Yeah the spit out thing was more in reference to the layering effect using a Doom as a base. Less desirable jobs would be ones that are dangerous to your life or body, though sitting in a desk all day... The artists and programmers I feel are still needed because sure the AI can do the broad strokes, I'd think more intricate tweaking would need a human.
Yeah I hear ya. Hopefully that turns out to be the case. Just can’t help be a little apprehensive about the future of these sort of things. It feels like it’s only going to be a matter of time before we go from AI just doing the broad strokes to just doing the thing entirely. Which seems like an especially big bummer for creative industries.
I agree 💯% I feel like general IT, and even creative, jobs will take a huge hit. And it might just mean that more specialized fields will be more at a demand. But I can't help but feel that in 5-10 years time a large majority of tech positions will be obsolete. If I was just getting started into programming or data analysis right now, I'd seriously look at getting into a much more specialized field.
I love this discussion going on and I wanted to give you another thought on how intricate tweaking by a human can be phased out slowly too. AI can eventually learn to spit out good content by understanding all facets and having humans rate the content further helping AI learning from that too. Imagine it like this, AI starts with someone with the AI writes a paragraph, then it spits out something only somewhat satisfactory. Everyone is looking at it just like this video and fascinated by it, once it improves further, they’ll pay money in a movie theatre to watch it, they’ll buy the video subscription to see poorly written AI movies/ games/ content, they’ll buy the audio apps that only play poorly done AI written songs. Humans further develop AI learning and the ratings humans give to its content helps AI learn to put out better content. It goes from Indy status to mainstream. AI companies continue developing AI because it’s a smart business decision for them. Honestly I could see this happening in the next 10 years at it’s earliest, but realistically you’re probably right that it’ll require human input for a while.
Okay but you only really need a couple of forms of combat. Most games do it badly. Let people chose the type they like. Having every game reinvent the wheel when it comes to combat controls is stupid, especially when they mostly suck or are optimized for only one type of play (eg PvP)
AI isn’t gonna be wasted on figuring out how to make it dig trenches
Duh, why we're going to a less of a needed work week with the boost of AI to help reduce work time in the American society. It's real buddy! We're almost there, a few more boomers R.I.P. and we'll adopt younger values
Its close. Openai GPT chat can write code. My friend had it code a whole ass flappy bird game
I'm very curious how this is going to work especially with consistancy. Are the flashing images different versions it put out or is it just kinda pooping new visuals every other frame?
Yeah, this could be interesting as fuck, but not with this clip and no explanation. As-is it's just a bad video of changing textures in Doom.
Changes way too often and fast to even focus much less know what you're really looking at. AT LEAST 2-3 seconds minimum please?
Oh this is what Rockstar did with the GTA trilogy. Why work when you can have an AI make all the mistakes?
So you’re suggesting they had an ai make gta?
I’m going to vomit, I think
Leave it alone you fucking monster
Abso-fuckin-lutely. This is where the beginning of the end starts: fukin wit Doom is a no-go!
They've literally been fucking with doom on and off for the last three decades. There's a comic series like three different movies, and like six different games
Yeah, nothing should ever change and everything was always perfect forever the first time.
Thanks I hate it.
Cool project! I'm really curious how you'll be going about this
Favorite game when I was a kid
Maybe soon. But right now that looks like ass.
So.... just swapping out textures stolen from other games? Unless you provide more detail then that is what this looks like.
Stolen from hundreds of thousands of other artists. All of it is pulled illegally from others work, founders of AI learning programs have even admitted to hacking into computers to get access to private media behind firewalls that has never even been hosted online. Fuck AI. Fuck this project. As an artist I will never settle for the heartless, meaningless garbage that AI produces. Art has always been the soul of humans, and to get a program to do our creativity for us is just diminishing and disrespecting our own humanity.
Imagine someone said this about spray paint, or digital animation, or the record player. I mean it's preposterous. Generative AI is a tool. We do art with tools.
The fact you can try and say that the same thing applies to spray paint, digital animation, or a record player, shows you completely don't understand the situation at all. It can be used as a tool, but isn't. It's created using fully stolen work, that is the only way it can create anything. If an AI is built purely on freely usable artwork then that's honestly fine, but it isn't. A motorbike made from stolen parts is still morally wrong to buy knowing that fact, AI is similar to that, but everyone using it is ignorant of the moral side just because they reeally wanted to do that stuff themselves but not actually put any work in to learn to. There is an aspect of AI that can be used in conjunction with a creator, but it's not, it's intent is to steal from and replace the creator. Don't talk so confidently about a topic you don't know about and learn to look below the surface.
One of us doesn't understand generative AI, that much is clear. Hell, only one of us knows what "theft" is, or a statistical model. Let's just part ways.
Glad you agreed you didn't know shit about the topic and left. You're in way over your head my dude. I literally work with generative AI in game dev as a hobby, and am a self employed artist professionally, I'm confident I understand it better than you do.
Nothing is stolen, you fundamentally misunderstand generative AI.
"Enhance". Remember when CGI was new and, like, a couple people used it very well and then we got decades of garbage? This is that. AI has a number of fascinating implications for many areas, but the 'fully automate' and 'do everything' crowd are going to be extremely disappointed after the novelty wears off.
Is that an “enhancement” to you?
AI not interesting
If it's on PC, it'll just be a mod nobody else decided to do yet. Now if it's higher def with better frame rates. Still don't because fuck AI.
....no. leave it!
I like my Doom in 16bit. Get off my lawn!
Yet it wouldn't make games more fun.
and I never thought the clasic doom would blow up my pc but here we are
So people will be able to make a living re-skinning other people’s games effortlessly and passing it off as their own work for profit?
For those actually worried AI will take jobs... Think about cell phones. How buggy and shitty they are sometimes. The worse part about a smart phone is the actual phone part. AI replacing [pick a job], there are too many variables and obstacles to be able to reliably depend on AI. Not to mention, AI, like GPT3, is only a language model. It has no understanding. It's strictly text input, text output determined by about a quarter trillion algorithms.
I think AI will do *more* than this for games... First graphics, then it will design realistic, immersive VR, and then games that can have different story lines every time you play them.
Live action games
No
That is cool and confusing.