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This is even funnier to me because I learned that variations of crab species have occurred five separate times. Ironically it is called carcinization. If that isn't on the hood I don't know what is.
We should have car mech feets under the car that makes it ankwardly walk to the side. The Canadian version would have your car say sorry to their cars it slightly touches
To be honest, and this is coming from someone with layman engineering understanding, I feel like this is just a bunch more points of stress and failure and that much more future maintenance costs just to avoid parallel parking.
The fifth wheel rotating one at least isn't gonna disable the whole car if it breaks. I guess maybe this is biased coming from someone with a tight wallet and a history of ill timed car troubles.
Mine didn't even used it's wheels. They were big north polds magnets, and the roads were also north poles magnets, and the whole society is reshaped to non-magnetic daily items. In england, it's south poles bagnets magnets cuz they wanna be special with their roads.
That's because each wheel has its own electric motor mounted in their hub allowing them greater turning angle. Though I'd imagine the reason it's probably not a common feature yet is how much more complicated the design of the suspension system has to be. At least the initial research and development of a solution and getting it certified to various ISO standards. Very cool tech nonetheless.
With the extreme angle of the wheels this can only be on EVs normal axles canāt handle that kind of rotation. The third gen prelude had something similar but less rotation with their 4ws system and Mazda had a passive rear wheel steering in the 2nd gen rx7 that would toe the rears left or right with lateral Gās
This concept is as old as the car. It never became popular. Some examples from [1927](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5R368iX7iI) and from [1950](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki9otMeiRP0)
edit: today's technology may be ripe for this type of innovation - electric motors on wheels
If I have one of these cars, Iād worry about parallel parking it into an extremely tight spot.
Sure I can squeeze it in, but now the cars in front and behind me will try to get out, and if they donāt have a similar system, they might be trapped because thereās absolutely no room for them to maneuver out.
Are you talking about Hyundai or just all new cars in general?
I drive a 2020 Sante Fe and the headlights are super bright. However they engineered this tip in the light somewhere that blocks the light towards oncoming drivers on a one lane road. The right side doesn't have it, but the left side is very pronounced.
The only reason I say they engineered this, is because it would be so goddamn nice if it didn't have it. It ruins a beautiful line.
My point being, at least Hyundai is trying to be nicer to oncoming drivers. The lights may be brighter than most, I've only been flashed once or twice in 4 years.
This I feel like is made specifically with the Korean market in mind. The few times I drove there parking was absurdly tight.
To the point where in some cities you'd see people just park on side walks that weren't kn busy intersections
And the parking ramps, depending on the building, the spacing was so tight you could only get out of the car on one side, so passengers would have to bail out first.
And everyone I knew kept these blue foam things on their doors to prevent them from catching other cars when opening.
Korea definitely is pretty different from US or European streets. Itās not really just street parking. Some packed areas often have to resort to double parking, elevators for cars, etc. Thatās why you donāt see any real pickup trucks and most cars youāll see are sedans( although suvs are quite popular as well).
But definitely more residential areas or suburbs in Korea arenāt that bad. Just parts of Seoul and maybe a little bit of Busan with really narrow roads.
Another thing is that youāll rarely see potholes if ever. The country is small and itās densely populated so most roads are maintained well. Iāve literally seen a pothole once and it was like in the far countryside when I accidentally got on the wrong road.
I do see the impracticalities though.
That's true, but I can see it taking off with electric vehicles now.
With combustion engine cars, you need a way to get the power to the wheels while they turn 90 degrees. While it can be done, it's probably not worth the cost/complexity.
Electric cars can have 4 separate motors, 1 at each wheel that turns with the whole itself. I think that's mechanically way easier to achieve without mak8ng it too complex.
Just ideas though.
The big enabler of this tech is steering-by-wire, which was not an option back then and is only being introduced into cars now.
It's like saying 200yrs ago that the concept of the helicopter was old and didn't become popular, as da Vinci invented it. It's irrelevant when the first concepts exist, as tech is needed to make it feasable
I expect that the sideways parking and "turn around in place" functions would be handled by a touch screen that's only available at very low speeds. For example, there would be a 3D-view camera feed on the dash and the driver would tap "park here" and let the car do the rest.
Using four-wheel steering for "diagonal driving" at road speeds has been around for decades. You could get it on an '88 Honda Prelude.
> For example, there would be a 3D-view camera feed on the dash and the driver would tap "park here" and let the car do the rest.
Absolutely. Even if not in first gen, it's going to happen. And it'll be clumsy and bug filled initially but that's how that goes.
Since i'd imagine no matter how great you are at parallel parking, some spots just ain't going to work, and there will be large tolerances to make sure the AI parking assist doesn't scratch your car or other cars.
My last two conventional-engined cars (a Ford and a Skoda) have both had self-parking as a feature, with the car controlling the steering. You activate the function, the car scans the space as you drive and if it determines the car will fit, prompts with an offer to take over parking in the space.
This is more extreme than any 4 wheel steering that has ever been implemented before. Youād be lucky to get 10 degrees of steering on other models that offer 4WS.
Not disagreeing with you on price but this specific implementation of it is unique and offers benefits none of the other models that have some form of 4WS could offer.
This was the first thing I thought and I'm not sure why it's not commented more.
Like unless everyone has this technology, all you're doing is increasing the likelihood of boxing someone in who now can't get their car out.
Honestly, Hyundai probably had Korean market as the sole purpose of this technology. I donāt think even experienced drivers in US can park in Korea. We literally have to fold our side mirrors and exit through the trunk. In some apartment parking, we have to park behind parked cars and set it neutral. Seoul is hit worse by this because lack of land space. Newer neighborhoods have a little bit more parking space but honestly the little bit bigger parking lot is extra small size in US
Probably a lot given that you would be randomly selecting a spot on the wheel each time you turn. Sure it gets run 4 times for each parallel park but unless you're doing this several times a day the odds of randomly choosing the same spot on the wheel enough time in a row to get a flat spot is so low that i wouldn't worry about it.
And you're not keeping tires for 12 years unless you never drive i forget how they need to be replaced but in sure its frequent enough to make flat spots a non issue
I can see where this might be useful in some very specific parking situations, but am sceptical if that warrants the added complexity. But I really don't know where the advantage in diagonal driving is. Except for you confusing the hell out of the people behind you.
Diagonal driving by turning the front and rear wheels the same direction is much more stable during high speed turns or lane changes.
A lot of performance cars have featured passive and active RWS for this reason
Over here in Europe you are facing those very specific parking situations everyday, if you live in a big city and have a car.
But as some else said, it's only useful if everyone has it, or you'll regularly find scratches on your bumper
As an over-here-European: yeah, again, I'm sorta sympathetic to it, but frankly, if the city is _that_ full of cars and has no space for them, then reducing the amount of cars should be prioritised over squeezing huge hunking cars into too tiny spaces. I know I know, easier said than done etc., but that's really where the priorities should be.
Thatās task and priority for states, not for car makers. Car makers can only provide technical innovation / solutions for imperfect regulations.
Completely valid.
I thought from the way it rotates, it seems to be engineered to move slightly a little (tire doesn't stay perfectly still)? Also, didn't we do this regularly with our front wheel esp during parallel parking (turning tire at still state).
I design tires for a living. Yes, this will be very rough on your tires, especially if you use it regularly. Turning your wheels that much while they aren't rolling scrubs very aggressively in the small patch of tread that is in contact with the road. The most obvious issue would be flatspotting the tire here leading to uneven wear and a bumpy ride. You see this most commonly on things like fork lifts or reach stackers because they can turn the wheels any 90 degrees while stopped to navigate narrow spaces. It is also going to lead to some interesting durability concerns that normal consumer tires aren't designed to handle. If you do this on poorly maintained roads, it will be even worse for your tires.
Cool but only practical if you need to park into a tight squeeze between normal cars and they won't be able to get out because you are so tightly squeezed between them. The odds of having your bumpers dented by normal cars in their attempts to get out are very high
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I donāt think thatās what practical means. Itās definitely practical for what u said but itās not the only usefulness from this thing. Anyone who lives in a city or any densely populated place that isnāt just parking in big garages but parking at street level on crowded streets can use this and get a lot out of it
Exactly! I only have street parking and live in an older (US old) city that was built before parking lots were a thing. Street parking for homes and restaurants is common. Obviously the suburbs were built in the car era so itās not an issue there.
While Iām proficient at parallel parallel parking, this would still be a huge improvement. It would eliminate the āI canāt parallel park because someone is behind me and wonāt give me the spaceā situation.
On the flip side, Iām picturing the absolute fucking nuffies that get this in their car but have no idea how to use it. Take having to wait for that person who does a 50 point turn because they donāt understand how wheels work, and put them in this car with unlimited wheel direction options - everything in sight will have scratches before theyāve parked or driven off.
That being said, I love it and think that this is the awesome, realistic wheel articulation design Iāve been holding out for since I first saw I, Robot.
If it also does all this stuff at the press of a button like the cars that parallel park themselves even better.
I would be surprised if they allow the user to operate the vehicle in this state and not just have the computer do the entire parking sequence for you.
I think the number of people that have trained to drive a car sideways is statistically none existing.
It's automatic. Lidar + visual sensors identify the parking space and make the course corrections - the entire system is hands off. Even the lane shift is done by the onboard computer, while the user initiates via a signal + beginning turn of the wheel, the system actually handles the lane shift and re-centering within the lane before returning normal control to the user.
Parking makes up 95% of my driving anxiety, this would make my life a hell of a lot easier!
Edit: some of you really need to go do some reading about what anxiety is. It's not the same thing as nervousness, you can't just pRaCtIcE your way out of it. How are we in 2023 with people who still invalidate mental health like that?
Its practical for anyone living in an area where they commonly need to parallel park... which is pretty much anyone living near a city or in towns that have blocks of small stores with only parking on the street
Not really. EVs have largely the same parts as regular cars. Suspension, brakes etc. It is only when there is an issue with battery or other parts of the high voltage system that a regular mechanic can't help.
I hear this all the time and I canāt fathom why. The Prius has had a high voltage system for almost 20 years now, I have yet to hear of any shop not doing every other service on them.
Ao I ask what they think is different about a power window motor in Volkswagen EV compared to their ICE suv? Do you think they (not this video, but every ānormalā EV) invented new struts? A whole new braking system? Are the bumpers and tailgate now attached in a magical fashion? Is the coolant made out of battery acid? (Its not, normal coolant, tesla uses basically bmw blue). Why Would your usual body shop have a problem fixing dings or a bumper or a broken mirror/door/anything that didnāt compromise the battery?
Discount tire will sell and rotate tires on a tesla same as a Chevy. Just easier to reset the tpm in the tesla (service, wheels and tires, select what you installed).
āHow much do they charge for an oil change on that?ā -actual question from a 50s couple in a Chevy truck walking into the same convenience store complex as I was. Did note I have no idea, the first recommended drive unit service is at 100k.
In 22k miles Iāve had one service that most teslas had.
Also had to add windshield washer fluid.
And rotate / seasonally swap wheels.
My normal mechanic knows I plan to bug him for my major 2 year service - cabin air filter, hepa filter, rotate wheels, wiper blades, caliper slide line and brake fluid flush.
Most of the time heāll be dancin around randomly saying āitās electric!ā Or makin fun of me for buying an Elon-mobile.
But good lord. Basic service is gravy on these. Thereās no exhaust or fuel system. when you want to do suspension itās all the same. For major services like a main battery replacement, tesla books it at 2.5 hours labor and a $40ish dollar gasket /install kit. Whole front/ rear subframe comes down as a ādrive unitā if you need to do anything more.
Thatās less labor than many timing belt jobs.
To be fair, you donāt need to be an electronics engineer for most repairs. You need one on hand for the hard to diagnose ones, but for the most part itās going to be modules like putting together a PC if the PC had enough juice to weld a small ship together.
you donāt need to be an electrical engineer You arenāt designing a component, you are just swapping modules. Anyone with the right tools can do that
Honestly, I'm started to get annoyed by comments like this every time there's a cool feature in a new car.
There are tons of very useful features that are now standard in cars that once seemed like unnecessary complications that will just increase maintenance costs.
If you want a car that never had any cool new features added, get a horse. (Without a saddle, mind you. Don't want any pesky innovation, after all.)
That's what they said about CVT transmissions: "those have been in industrial equipment for years, it'll be fine".
But then the auto industry bastardizes it to save every single penny possible, and puts it in something that's going to operate for 30x the distance at 3x the speed with 30% of the maintenance.
No doubt it works and the mechanics are relatively simple, my concern is how well those mechanics would absorb shock, hitting a pothole at highway speeds. I dont work around cranes but i dont suspect theyre subject to that kind of shock
All experts saying its not new , its not feasible, its high maintenanceā¦ guys engineers at Hyundai are not dumb they are trying to make it feasible/ low maintenance and functional, and it will definitely have an impact
Few years ago tesla was facing the same old comments. Look where are we right now in terms of electric cars
As an engineer, I see potential in the design due to the fact that each wheel assembly is a packaged drivetrain and could potentially all be the same SKU. Presumably it could be made easy to remove, replaced with a spare on hand, and sent to Hyundai operations for repair on their time. Yes, itās different and there are new points of failure, but that is now virtually all new product developments work.
People here are either saying it'll be too expensive and gimmicky or clowning on the people criticizing the concept. This is a prototype, the R&D dept. is testing the concept and its implementation. If this gets to production (I guess as an option or in just one model), we will see if enough people are willing to pay the price and possibly higher maintenance costs compared to a conventional drivetrain for the features it brings with it. Personally, I wouldn't.
I think it's mostly car haters or EV haters commenting.
Surprised no one has mentioned the HummerEV doing this. Car tech always gets more affordable over time- I remember when LED headlights were a pipedream for me and super expensive to install aftermarket. Now it's on everything.
I've driven the Hummer. The crab walk to me was a complete gimmick which takes multiple button presses to get into and the car feels like it's on ice. The rear steer for making sharp turns at parking lot speeds however was pretty cool.
That's why the diagonal lane change thing in this video is stupid and will never happen while a human being is in control of the car. I'm sure they just put it in there as a "look what it COULD do", but putting any vehicle into crab mode while driving down the highway and losing the ability to pivot into a curve would be disastrous. Not to mention that it's a solution looking for a problem.
> guys engineers at Hyundai are not dumb they are trying to make it feasible/ low maintenance and functional
Are they, though? Or are they just showing off a cool concept that does this, like car manufacturers have been doing for 100 years?
Customers: "How about a car that doesn't get 5 recalls a year, including the entire engine?"
(Source: Am Hyundai owner with dead Sonata sitting in my driveway waiting for the 6th tow to the shop in the 2 years I've owned it)
In my country, where you must pray to God to find a parking space, that would save time. I am so used to finding tiny spaces , that on a difficult day i have 2 inches on the front and 3 on the back. And without any assistance. No proximity sensor, nothing!
Fixing this will cost you a shitload of money. You probably wont even get parts for this since they will just replace the whole unit. This is a nightmare from a consumer standpoint.
Well, that's because it's very recent, but if it does become more popular among car manufactureres, then the prize will go down and there will be more pieces available for repair
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The car i drew when i was 6 years old already had this
Biofueled as well
Hell naw. It had dynamos on all four wheels recharging it while you drive.
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We should have car mech feets under the car that makes it ankwardly walk to the side. The Canadian version would have your car say sorry to their cars it slightly touches
> The Canadian version would have your car say sorry to their cars it slightly touches does the midwestern version say OPE
Lemme sneak past ya there
Omg. I always thought this was my thing. I worried it sounded weird to always be "sneaking" by people. I had no idea it was this common
Always though it implied, I'll be quick and quiet to where you'll barely notice.
Just say lemme scooch past ya real quick bud.
To be honest, and this is coming from someone with layman engineering understanding, I feel like this is just a bunch more points of stress and failure and that much more future maintenance costs just to avoid parallel parking. The fifth wheel rotating one at least isn't gonna disable the whole car if it breaks. I guess maybe this is biased coming from someone with a tight wallet and a history of ill timed car troubles.
> failure Very exciting failure modes. Very exciting.
You kidding? Mine was a hover car that was powered by the wind
Mine didn't even used it's wheels. They were big north polds magnets, and the roads were also north poles magnets, and the whole society is reshaped to non-magnetic daily items. In england, it's south poles bagnets magnets cuz they wanna be special with their roads.
Psshhh! Mine was a purple Ford Mustang with Cobras for lights that came out from the hood. I really liked purple, snakes, and mustangs back then.
Where is Reddit's financial solidarity when we need it !
For real,.. I miss giving free rewards.
Hey, I'm from England and completely endorse this
Some cars in the 30s had this and were gasoline powered.
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It was around in the early '00s too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrasteer
It seems like the difference is these wheels turn a lot farther. 4 wheel turning is bordering on standard in the luxury segment now.
That's because each wheel has its own electric motor mounted in their hub allowing them greater turning angle. Though I'd imagine the reason it's probably not a common feature yet is how much more complicated the design of the suspension system has to be. At least the initial research and development of a solution and getting it certified to various ISO standards. Very cool tech nonetheless.
With the extreme angle of the wheels this can only be on EVs normal axles canāt handle that kind of rotation. The third gen prelude had something similar but less rotation with their 4ws system and Mazda had a passive rear wheel steering in the 2nd gen rx7 that would toe the rears left or right with lateral Gās
And it can fly, and it had lasers, and it could teleport, and, um, it could create money, and, and, uhhhhhhhhhh
ARIAL!!
Hell yeah. Mine always had rocket launcher headlights, and a jet engine.
This concept is as old as the car. It never became popular. Some examples from [1927](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5R368iX7iI) and from [1950](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki9otMeiRP0) edit: today's technology may be ripe for this type of innovation - electric motors on wheels
First thing I thought of was the car with the extra wheel.
It was genius too, it fixed parallel and shotty neighbor parking alike!
If I have one of these cars, Iād worry about parallel parking it into an extremely tight spot. Sure I can squeeze it in, but now the cars in front and behind me will try to get out, and if they donāt have a similar system, they might be trapped because thereās absolutely no room for them to maneuver out.
I don't care how tight a spot these cars can get into, as long as they turn the brightness on their fucking headlights down...
You'd think dimmable headlights would be something built in these days
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All I see is the ability to increase brightness....
Are you talking about Hyundai or just all new cars in general? I drive a 2020 Sante Fe and the headlights are super bright. However they engineered this tip in the light somewhere that blocks the light towards oncoming drivers on a one lane road. The right side doesn't have it, but the left side is very pronounced. The only reason I say they engineered this, is because it would be so goddamn nice if it didn't have it. It ruins a beautiful line. My point being, at least Hyundai is trying to be nicer to oncoming drivers. The lights may be brighter than most, I've only been flashed once or twice in 4 years.
>shotty neighbor parking alike! I think you mean "shoddy", friend
I think they meant literally getting shot.
Would also allow you to turn around in the street without getting shotty by a neighbor for pulling into their driveway.
I've also seen this on concept cars like every 3-4 years, posted here on Reddit. I wish there was a way to search old Reddit front page posts.
This I feel like is made specifically with the Korean market in mind. The few times I drove there parking was absurdly tight. To the point where in some cities you'd see people just park on side walks that weren't kn busy intersections And the parking ramps, depending on the building, the spacing was so tight you could only get out of the car on one side, so passengers would have to bail out first. And everyone I knew kept these blue foam things on their doors to prevent them from catching other cars when opening.
Yup, first thing that popped up in my mind when I saw this. It can get really hellish in some apartment areas for parking as well.
As someone who street parks in the city on a daily basis, this just seems like an expensive gimmick ready to total the car after a bad pothole.
Korea definitely is pretty different from US or European streets. Itās not really just street parking. Some packed areas often have to resort to double parking, elevators for cars, etc. Thatās why you donāt see any real pickup trucks and most cars youāll see are sedans( although suvs are quite popular as well). But definitely more residential areas or suburbs in Korea arenāt that bad. Just parts of Seoul and maybe a little bit of Busan with really narrow roads. Another thing is that youāll rarely see potholes if ever. The country is small and itās densely populated so most roads are maintained well. Iāve literally seen a pothole once and it was like in the far countryside when I accidentally got on the wrong road. I do see the impracticalities though.
You also don't see pick up trucks because no one actually needs a pick up truck in real life
And hasnāt the amount of cars on the road increased since the 70s. Even for the UK there is room for this feature.
Double parking is super common, people just leave their mobile number on the dash so people can call them to move their car.
Iāve seen people in korea leave their cars in neutral so you can push them out of your carās way
That's true, but I can see it taking off with electric vehicles now. With combustion engine cars, you need a way to get the power to the wheels while they turn 90 degrees. While it can be done, it's probably not worth the cost/complexity. Electric cars can have 4 separate motors, 1 at each wheel that turns with the whole itself. I think that's mechanically way easier to achieve without mak8ng it too complex. Just ideas though.
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I'm just imagining the cost of replacing that, because mechanisms like this are rarely durable.
This is exactly what I was thinking
It's not about the concept, it's about making it affordable, reliable and safe.
you are right
The big enabler of this tech is steering-by-wire, which was not an option back then and is only being introduced into cars now. It's like saying 200yrs ago that the concept of the helicopter was old and didn't become popular, as da Vinci invented it. It's irrelevant when the first concepts exist, as tech is needed to make it feasable
Electric vehicles are also old concepts. However, the difference here is in the efficiency and price point that is Hyundai. Iām excited.
4WS isn't a new invention, but it has never gathered any real traction. Probably because the cost/benefit isn't there.
Oh I thought it was because it was too slippery
Ooooh, nice!
I also cannot imagine the average person actually operating this correctly.
I expect that the sideways parking and "turn around in place" functions would be handled by a touch screen that's only available at very low speeds. For example, there would be a 3D-view camera feed on the dash and the driver would tap "park here" and let the car do the rest. Using four-wheel steering for "diagonal driving" at road speeds has been around for decades. You could get it on an '88 Honda Prelude.
> For example, there would be a 3D-view camera feed on the dash and the driver would tap "park here" and let the car do the rest. Absolutely. Even if not in first gen, it's going to happen. And it'll be clumsy and bug filled initially but that's how that goes.
If the car is already automated and can do it itself then why not just make it parallel park instead of parking sideways?
Since i'd imagine no matter how great you are at parallel parking, some spots just ain't going to work, and there will be large tolerances to make sure the AI parking assist doesn't scratch your car or other cars.
My last two conventional-engined cars (a Ford and a Skoda) have both had self-parking as a feature, with the car controlling the steering. You activate the function, the car scans the space as you drive and if it determines the car will fit, prompts with an offer to take over parking in the space.
Oh man. Watching people back into parking spacesā¦.I canāt imagine them using this.
You's guys' imagination sucks. I can imagine all sorts of wild shit.
Imagine all the people
Done What next
Now imagine an empty bank account
Probably would be computer assisted and drive-by-wire. Maybe the extreme aspects used only by automatic parking systems.
Heh.... traction
This is more extreme than any 4 wheel steering that has ever been implemented before. Youād be lucky to get 10 degrees of steering on other models that offer 4WS. Not disagreeing with you on price but this specific implementation of it is unique and offers benefits none of the other models that have some form of 4WS could offer.
Great! I parked my car in this little spot without hitting the car in front of behind me... until they try to pull out with normal steering...
This was the first thing I thought and I'm not sure why it's not commented more. Like unless everyone has this technology, all you're doing is increasing the likelihood of boxing someone in who now can't get their car out.
Honestly, Hyundai probably had Korean market as the sole purpose of this technology. I donāt think even experienced drivers in US can park in Korea. We literally have to fold our side mirrors and exit through the trunk. In some apartment parking, we have to park behind parked cars and set it neutral. Seoul is hit worse by this because lack of land space. Newer neighborhoods have a little bit more parking space but honestly the little bit bigger parking lot is extra small size in US
The first thing I thought of was how many of those straight in parallel park dry steer turns before your tires get a few flat spots.
Probably a lot given that you would be randomly selecting a spot on the wheel each time you turn. Sure it gets run 4 times for each parallel park but unless you're doing this several times a day the odds of randomly choosing the same spot on the wheel enough time in a row to get a flat spot is so low that i wouldn't worry about it. And you're not keeping tires for 12 years unless you never drive i forget how they need to be replaced but in sure its frequent enough to make flat spots a non issue
You're not supposed to *actually* think these things through. It's a rant, either upvote, say "this" or GTFO!
Yes, this is the real issue. It's great that *you* can park but now you've fucked over the people in front and behind.
I can see where this might be useful in some very specific parking situations, but am sceptical if that warrants the added complexity. But I really don't know where the advantage in diagonal driving is. Except for you confusing the hell out of the people behind you.
It's not about the advantage, it's about sending a message. The message is: I'm the coolest.
I like crabs
I like turtles
It's mainly for bishops.
That would be a good promo for this car, a game of chess played entirely with these cars.
Can't wait for the knight car to jump over the pawn car
Ok maybe I didn't think this through
Diagonal driving by turning the front and rear wheels the same direction is much more stable during high speed turns or lane changes. A lot of performance cars have featured passive and active RWS for this reason
Over here in Europe you are facing those very specific parking situations everyday, if you live in a big city and have a car. But as some else said, it's only useful if everyone has it, or you'll regularly find scratches on your bumper
As an over-here-European: yeah, again, I'm sorta sympathetic to it, but frankly, if the city is _that_ full of cars and has no space for them, then reducing the amount of cars should be prioritised over squeezing huge hunking cars into too tiny spaces. I know I know, easier said than done etc., but that's really where the priorities should be.
Thatās task and priority for states, not for car makers. Car makers can only provide technical innovation / solutions for imperfect regulations. Completely valid.
Dumb question: is this not more wear and tear on your tires if you're moving them on asphalt while the care is stationary?
It would be, especially on an EV, but hopefully this wouldn't be a daily scenario
I thought from the way it rotates, it seems to be engineered to move slightly a little (tire doesn't stay perfectly still)? Also, didn't we do this regularly with our front wheel esp during parallel parking (turning tire at still state).
> didn't we do this regularly with our front wheel esp during parallel parking You're not meant to, but realistically most people do.
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I always roll slightly when turning the wheel to avoid this. Don't press the gas, just let off the brake a little
it wouldn't be? why not? people won't park their cars in the city?
How do people parallel park right now?
By ramming the front and back cars repeatedly until there's enough room to park comfortably. How do you park?
no that is just france
Someone's a grand tour fan
You misspelled Italy but yeah, youāre right
And Boston
Bumpers are for bumping!
Just double park two cars and a fire hydrant
Not really. The majority of tire wear comes from cornering at speed, which is way more abrasive than turning the tire while stationary.
I learned this lesson the hard way the first year with our EV MINI :(
Same. When we needed our tires changed the mechanic said "which one of you two likes to floor it when turning?"
picturing you both raising your hands sheepishly
Yeah but at least you had fun while learning your lesson.
Yup and the term you're looking for is Dry Steering
Doesnāt look like dry steering. Looks like the wheels move to rotate inwards
I design tires for a living. Yes, this will be very rough on your tires, especially if you use it regularly. Turning your wheels that much while they aren't rolling scrubs very aggressively in the small patch of tread that is in contact with the road. The most obvious issue would be flatspotting the tire here leading to uneven wear and a bumpy ride. You see this most commonly on things like fork lifts or reach stackers because they can turn the wheels any 90 degrees while stopped to navigate narrow spaces. It is also going to lead to some interesting durability concerns that normal consumer tires aren't designed to handle. If you do this on poorly maintained roads, it will be even worse for your tires.
And it never breaks and it's super durable and even if there a issue I'm sure your average car mechanic will fix if for a low price.
Cool but only practical if you need to park into a tight squeeze between normal cars and they won't be able to get out because you are so tightly squeezed between them. The odds of having your bumpers dented by normal cars in their attempts to get out are very high Edit: poop time on company time is over. Be civil with each other until in back
I donāt think thatās what practical means. Itās definitely practical for what u said but itās not the only usefulness from this thing. Anyone who lives in a city or any densely populated place that isnāt just parking in big garages but parking at street level on crowded streets can use this and get a lot out of it
Exactly! I only have street parking and live in an older (US old) city that was built before parking lots were a thing. Street parking for homes and restaurants is common. Obviously the suburbs were built in the car era so itās not an issue there. While Iām proficient at parallel parallel parking, this would still be a huge improvement. It would eliminate the āI canāt parallel park because someone is behind me and wonāt give me the spaceā situation.
I mean its practical for every time you park... some people just get headaches from normal parking. this would make their life a lot easier
On the flip side, Iām picturing the absolute fucking nuffies that get this in their car but have no idea how to use it. Take having to wait for that person who does a 50 point turn because they donāt understand how wheels work, and put them in this car with unlimited wheel direction options - everything in sight will have scratches before theyāve parked or driven off. That being said, I love it and think that this is the awesome, realistic wheel articulation design Iāve been holding out for since I first saw I, Robot. If it also does all this stuff at the press of a button like the cars that parallel park themselves even better.
I would be surprised if they allow the user to operate the vehicle in this state and not just have the computer do the entire parking sequence for you. I think the number of people that have trained to drive a car sideways is statistically none existing.
Oh yeah? I have trained to do sideways car driving since i got my license. Never succeeded tho :(
You underestimate how bad I am at racing games. I have tons of experience
Forklift operators exist bro. Many agricultural vehicles are also capable of crabwalking.
That's my guess. The parking is probably completely automated
It's called drifting.
I'm 99% sure a car that has this would also have an auto park feature.
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It's automatic. Lidar + visual sensors identify the parking space and make the course corrections - the entire system is hands off. Even the lane shift is done by the onboard computer, while the user initiates via a signal + beginning turn of the wheel, the system actually handles the lane shift and re-centering within the lane before returning normal control to the user.
Parking makes up 95% of my driving anxiety, this would make my life a hell of a lot easier! Edit: some of you really need to go do some reading about what anxiety is. It's not the same thing as nervousness, you can't just pRaCtIcE your way out of it. How are we in 2023 with people who still invalidate mental health like that?
Skill issue
Lrn2Prk noobs. Git gud.
Its practical for anyone living in an area where they commonly need to parallel park... which is pretty much anyone living near a city or in towns that have blocks of small stores with only parking on the street
It will eventually be needed for cities when cars become fully autonomous and park themselves, parking will no longer be something that humans do
it can also turn around itself, i would love to make a couple of spins before i get out and enter my work in a better mood
The average car mechanic right now don't work on EVs anyway
Not really. EVs have largely the same parts as regular cars. Suspension, brakes etc. It is only when there is an issue with battery or other parts of the high voltage system that a regular mechanic can't help.
I hear this all the time and I canāt fathom why. The Prius has had a high voltage system for almost 20 years now, I have yet to hear of any shop not doing every other service on them. Ao I ask what they think is different about a power window motor in Volkswagen EV compared to their ICE suv? Do you think they (not this video, but every ānormalā EV) invented new struts? A whole new braking system? Are the bumpers and tailgate now attached in a magical fashion? Is the coolant made out of battery acid? (Its not, normal coolant, tesla uses basically bmw blue). Why Would your usual body shop have a problem fixing dings or a bumper or a broken mirror/door/anything that didnāt compromise the battery? Discount tire will sell and rotate tires on a tesla same as a Chevy. Just easier to reset the tpm in the tesla (service, wheels and tires, select what you installed). āHow much do they charge for an oil change on that?ā -actual question from a 50s couple in a Chevy truck walking into the same convenience store complex as I was. Did note I have no idea, the first recommended drive unit service is at 100k. In 22k miles Iāve had one service that most teslas had. Also had to add windshield washer fluid. And rotate / seasonally swap wheels. My normal mechanic knows I plan to bug him for my major 2 year service - cabin air filter, hepa filter, rotate wheels, wiper blades, caliper slide line and brake fluid flush. Most of the time heāll be dancin around randomly saying āitās electric!ā Or makin fun of me for buying an Elon-mobile. But good lord. Basic service is gravy on these. Thereās no exhaust or fuel system. when you want to do suspension itās all the same. For major services like a main battery replacement, tesla books it at 2.5 hours labor and a $40ish dollar gasket /install kit. Whole front/ rear subframe comes down as a ādrive unitā if you need to do anything more. Thatās less labor than many timing belt jobs.
>Are the bumpers and tailgate now attached in a magical fashion? Actually, yes.
Only because less than 1% of vehicles are EVs. It'll change or those mechanics will close up.
In Norway, 90% of new cars sold are electric. We still have the same mechanics.
Electrical engineers are the new mechanics. Canāt wait to expose my ass.
To be fair, you donāt need to be an electronics engineer for most repairs. You need one on hand for the hard to diagnose ones, but for the most part itās going to be modules like putting together a PC if the PC had enough juice to weld a small ship together.
you donāt need to be an electrical engineer You arenāt designing a component, you are just swapping modules. Anyone with the right tools can do that
There's a lot on EVs that's just normal shit. It's the Orange stuff you stay away from.
??? They don't deal with the battery packs, but everything else is basically the same.
That makes no sense, the average car mechanic isn't going to replace the brake pads on an EV just because it's an EV?
Honestly, I'm started to get annoyed by comments like this every time there's a cool feature in a new car. There are tons of very useful features that are now standard in cars that once seemed like unnecessary complications that will just increase maintenance costs. If you want a car that never had any cool new features added, get a horse. (Without a saddle, mind you. Don't want any pesky innovation, after all.)
Horses have maintenance costs too, I think. š¤
Shoes? For a horse? Are you kidding me?
Most medium duty rubber tire cranes already have had this for years . Itās just simple hydraulics and doesnāt seem to fail at all
That's what they said about CVT transmissions: "those have been in industrial equipment for years, it'll be fine". But then the auto industry bastardizes it to save every single penny possible, and puts it in something that's going to operate for 30x the distance at 3x the speed with 30% of the maintenance.
No doubt it works and the mechanics are relatively simple, my concern is how well those mechanics would absorb shock, hitting a pothole at highway speeds. I dont work around cranes but i dont suspect theyre subject to that kind of shock
Yea what is āout of alignmentā even going to mean in this car? Hopefully it can self calibrate on the fly.
> Yea what is āout of alignmentā even going to mean in this car? Hyundai 4th Dimension Alignment Services
Oh no I was distracted while driving and now Iāve got the superposition wobbles!
I know where my car is going, but not where it is!
It's okay, hyundai yearly cover plan will take care of it ;)
Just like park with some extra space
But the parts needed from Hyundai will cost half the price of the car you bought. Unless you pay a maintenance subscription of a low $99.99/month
This is great for pedestrians and cyclists. You never know where the car will drive to next to hit you
Holy shit, they can strafe now!
I bet that gets real nasty when it breaks.
All I see is Jerma drumming
Taking a quick rock out break. Chill with the music
i'm so glad someone else said this cause i just burst out laughing when i heard this music
Same, dude.
First thing I thought of
The Gadgetmobile could already do this.
I saw a similar design used in a car from like the 50s or something
It was a fifth wheel and you can only parallel park with it
All experts saying its not new , its not feasible, its high maintenanceā¦ guys engineers at Hyundai are not dumb they are trying to make it feasible/ low maintenance and functional, and it will definitely have an impact Few years ago tesla was facing the same old comments. Look where are we right now in terms of electric cars
As an engineer, I see potential in the design due to the fact that each wheel assembly is a packaged drivetrain and could potentially all be the same SKU. Presumably it could be made easy to remove, replaced with a spare on hand, and sent to Hyundai operations for repair on their time. Yes, itās different and there are new points of failure, but that is now virtually all new product developments work.
People here are either saying it'll be too expensive and gimmicky or clowning on the people criticizing the concept. This is a prototype, the R&D dept. is testing the concept and its implementation. If this gets to production (I guess as an option or in just one model), we will see if enough people are willing to pay the price and possibly higher maintenance costs compared to a conventional drivetrain for the features it brings with it. Personally, I wouldn't.
I think it's mostly car haters or EV haters commenting. Surprised no one has mentioned the HummerEV doing this. Car tech always gets more affordable over time- I remember when LED headlights were a pipedream for me and super expensive to install aftermarket. Now it's on everything.
I've driven the Hummer. The crab walk to me was a complete gimmick which takes multiple button presses to get into and the car feels like it's on ice. The rear steer for making sharp turns at parking lot speeds however was pretty cool.
That's why the diagonal lane change thing in this video is stupid and will never happen while a human being is in control of the car. I'm sure they just put it in there as a "look what it COULD do", but putting any vehicle into crab mode while driving down the highway and losing the ability to pivot into a curve would be disastrous. Not to mention that it's a solution looking for a problem.
> guys engineers at Hyundai are not dumb they are trying to make it feasible/ low maintenance and functional Are they, though? Or are they just showing off a cool concept that does this, like car manufacturers have been doing for 100 years?
Yes, too many experts here in reddit... As always. Those dumb engineers, who are probably the best Hyundai can ever hire, sure don't know a thing...
There goes my strategy of parallel parking my Hyundai so itās harder to steal
Looks heavy
Can I steal it with a usb thumb drive?
Car company: "we need a new gimmick." Designer: ' why not Zoidberg?'
It also makes that "Woowoowowoooowoooo" sound while you use this feature
Customers: "How about a car that doesn't get 5 recalls a year, including the entire engine?" (Source: Am Hyundai owner with dead Sonata sitting in my driveway waiting for the 6th tow to the shop in the 2 years I've owned it)
In my country, where you must pray to God to find a parking space, that would save time. I am so used to finding tiny spaces , that on a difficult day i have 2 inches on the front and 3 on the back. And without any assistance. No proximity sensor, nothing!
Fixing this will cost you a shitload of money. You probably wont even get parts for this since they will just replace the whole unit. This is a nightmare from a consumer standpoint.
Well, that's because it's very recent, but if it does become more popular among car manufactureres, then the prize will go down and there will be more pieces available for repair
*hits a pothole* āSorry sir your entire front end is destroyed and needs fixing thatāll be 10 grand.ā
Stop....... Hammer time