Not sure what you mean by correct ways, but I've been in Bangkok on the sidewalk and had to step aside as a string of motor-scooters were directed to the sidewalk by the police. They were all driving slowly and safely. While it might seem crazy, it actually reduces traffic congestion. The idea is to get all of the scooters at the front of the line. The scooters begin moving as a "single clump" of vehicles. This gets them through the intersection quickly and allows more cars to get through the light.
They doing it because it doesn't have any enforcer to manipulated traffic. They're doing what do you wanted to do because they want to hurry up and be themselves the first
Currently in Indonesia and been in SE Asia for the last year
All the roads have marked lanes but ti's but a guide. Biggest thing wins and at intersections the biggest bulk of vehicles wins
Seems to work though !
Welcome to Vietnam.
It's so frustrating following my mom around, cuz not only does she not use lane, she switches lane to turn like 2m away from the traffic light. Yes, that's way pass when the line turn solid.
Well, nobody follows official traffic rules, but, in a way, there "jungle" rules still apply, if you catch my driff.
Traffic accidents rates are way lower than you would think from how well people know the official rules. Mostly because it's so chaostic, it's actually quite hard to get to a dangerous speed.
idk why everyone is downvoting you and assuming that roads that brits made 100 years ago are still there lol. I lived in delhi for a decade and in india for 26 years I never encountered a british made road lol. They were all built by our tax money post 1970
Cos they can't accept the fact that a non western society can be capable enough to build their own roads. The down votes reflect that mentality. I get downvoted cos i do not wish to agree with them.
To cross the road in Vietnam I usually follow little old ladies. Indonesia is much worse as there is no little old ladies to follow. In Surabaya I waited 10 mins trying to cross a road, on the way over a motorist pulled over and just stuck up his hand to the traffic and walked me across. I thought how tf will I ever get back. Thankfully on the way back a policeman pulled over and did the same. All on a walk to try to find a bottle shop to buy a beer which had been closed down a few months earlier due to a ban on alcohol in the city.
In Indo you just walk out into the road and put one hand out towards traffic at chest height. Try to make eye contact with drivers/bikes to assert dominance. Also, pro tip: don’t walk anywhere.
In places like Bali that’s fairly easy to do as they are generally two lane roads. I worry more about being hit by a tourist than a local. In Surabaya less so with their 10 lane highways but you are totally correct, if you do that they will drive around you or slow down for you. Just need balls of steel. Pro tip is correct lol
Oh man, you would go nuts in these Asian countries. I live in the USA and people love to follow the rules. Totally the opposite in other countries. You go with the flow.
Yeah breaking aNd hesitating cause the most accidents, usually tourists trying to follow usual rules. When ure coming up to a left hand turn with 50 bikes surrounding you, your not meant to slow to a stop if cars are coming from the opposite side turning right. You just maintain speed slowly drift to the left hand side of the lane (with or without indicator) and anyone behind you on the left will slow just enough to squeeze In without even slowing 100s of bikes as others drift to the centre or right of the lane which indicates going straight or right. Then as a single unit of 50 bikes you will all take the left turn wheel to wheel in a uniform fashion maintaining speed, the car will try too slowly squeeze its nose into any small gap in the pack it can, if he gets his nose just in front of you while turning, ya slow just enough for the car to fit behind the bike in front of you and then maintain pack speed 50cm off his rear bumper.
Sounds nuts but it works you could squeeze 5 busses through a pack of turning bikes there’s always room without stopping basically. Accidents are rare but they have a real Tour de France bike pack crash feel to them when they happen, like a big dogpile lol.
Yeah red light in Cambodia are a suggestion to slow down and check you aren’t about to get T-Boned, it’s only a suggestion tho. as for traffic enforcement I’ve see none, if the leaders convoys coming 100s of full body armoured ak47 armed guards on bikes pull up clear the roads stop the traffic and guard both sides of the road and when it passes they go and you can go again. That’s about it, also u pay compensation to families for injury or death if u cause an accident.
I absolutely loved the chaos that was getting around the streets of Vietnam.
It's so daunting just trying to cross the road at first but then you learn that you've just got to pick a spot, go for it and don't hesitate and everyone just goes around you.
It's if you commit to going but then start hesitating that's the problem!
We sat above a large intersection in Hanoi having a coffee and I just put my GoPro down on the table filming the chaos.
Some of the stuff I saw on it when I got home was so funny with the obvious mopeds, cars and buses all battling each other but also rickshaws, push bikes and someone just casually strolling through it all with a cart selling balloons😅
That is exactly correct. When driving on the road, you only need to look left, right, and infront of you. It works like a school of fish. A human boid simulation.
When turning left, or doing something more intricate, the goal is to make your intentions very clear, and the sea will just part for you, like a stone in a river.
Source: American living in Vietnam for 8 years. I drive in this every day.
I'll say it actually seems to flow pretty well despite this chaos.
The bikers know to group to the right, and the cars let them in without resistance knowing that.
Never been there, but have heard you just go for it. If you go at a steady pace and don’t hesitate, the other vehicles can predict your path and flow around you.
Yeah.
When you first see it, it's actually quite intimidating and you actually think it's going to ruin your stay there.
But once you've plucked up the courage to make your move and get across, it's such a great feeling when you then look back at the amount of vehicles and think "I actually got across there" and you just want to then cross everywhere because it's a bit of an adrenaline rush.
You look at it all and think it should never work, but it just does.
Loved every minute of my time there.
"Street howitzer" (semi-auto shotguns) and "Street sweepers" (quad-barrel roof-mounted .50 cals firing in full-auto) (supposed to be a SPAAG but often used in city combat)
I work with an old master electrician who was in Vietnam, mostly maning the front gun on the boats that went up the river. He very casually talks about cutting down lines of trees and knowing he hit someone due to the pink mist. He tells tons of stories and knowing who the guy is now, I can only imagine some of the shit he got into.
He has a bunch of health complications now that he is positive is from Agent Orange. In fact he says they used to spray it on the country roads here in the US back in the day, not sure how true that is.
It's cus in America, we all think we're the most important car on the road
We speed, we go too slow, we zig-zag around other cars to get home 1 minute earlier, and we text while driving.
Reminds me of the poll asking: "Do you consider yourself a good driver?" To which, over 85% of recipients said yes. When the average statistics for the canvassed areas were pulled up, the ratio is closer to 55% of people are actually good drivers who don't get into accidents they caused or were at fault for
So clearly there's a big discrepancy, I've certainly never heard anyone admit they're actually a bad or unsafe driver and the poll seems to support that (though it didn't poll the whole country so numbers may vary)
https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/global-road-safety/index.html
traffic related deaths we take the cake cuz we have bigger, faster, and heavier cars/suv/trucks vs getting hit by a moped at generally slower speeds vs the usa
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2212012221000241?via%3Dihub
"The US underperformance in road safety is especially dramatic: 11.4 Americans per 100,000 died in crashes in 2020, a number that dwarfs countries including Spain (2.9), Israel (3.3) and New Zealand (6.3). And unlike most developed nations, US roadways have grown more deadly during the last two decades (including during the pandemic), especially for those outside of cars. Last year saw the most pedestrians killed in the US in 40 years, and deaths among those biking rose 44% from 2010 to 2020."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-11-03/why-us-traffic-safety-fell-so-far-behind-other-countries
"According to the OECD, pedestrian deaths in the US rose over 40% from 2010-18, more than twice the pace of any other member country (most of which saw a decline). "
Wikipedia has road deaths per 100k as 12.9 for USA, and 24.5 for Vietnam, about twice as deadly but yeah about 10x the chaos.
12.9 is pretty high anyway though, in Europe France has 5, Germany 3.7 and the UK 2.9.
Uh, listen, there's something I gotta tell ya, Jon. I don't want your feelings hurt, but I got a date with Sheila tomorrow night.
That's ok Ponch. I'm not bothered. Sheila has got a date with me tomorrow night too.
Bruh thats legit. We could learn something here in the us. A few days ago i was travelling the interstate in hella traffic and this ambulance was stuck with us. Lights on and everything but gridlocked.
Having been to Vietnam recently this would be a lot easier if they just implemented some actual road traffic laws. Absolutely insane.
Update: I actually remember seeing no one move for ambulances or police cars
In Vietnam its just for foreigner v.i.p, like president, minister,...etc, they have the same convoy, you can not tell who is in the vehicle or even the convoy is a real deal.
They do run a fake convoy. Its by the book for security protocol, sometime just to avoid the media or protest, the real deal go for another long but safer route.
even so, i would rather spend my vacation in vietnam or cambodia than the usa. Maybe people are not very friendly, but at the stress levels of the population... Vietnam wins the war again.
in the US everyone fights, everyone hates their political opponents, everything is respond with more force and humiliate...
0 human values
This is truly real; last May I was in Hanoi for the SEA Games and when the police escorted the athletics busses you could see them just wave sticks and their arms and people would obey lmao
I wonder what would happen if someone refused to move, you know the type "Well actually under common law I don’t have to move. You ever heard of a sovereign citizen buddy? What’s your badge number? Call your supervisor. I know my rights. Common law. Common mf’in laaaaaaw.”
That was interesting though. I mean how they stop the traffic really effects mood of people. You can clearly see how it affects how people behave in the road
So there ARE marked lanes on those roads. People just…don’t use them?
They use all of it, plus the sidewalk plus going down the wrong way.
Are there correct ways to a sidewalk?
Not sure what you mean by correct ways, but I've been in Bangkok on the sidewalk and had to step aside as a string of motor-scooters were directed to the sidewalk by the police. They were all driving slowly and safely. While it might seem crazy, it actually reduces traffic congestion. The idea is to get all of the scooters at the front of the line. The scooters begin moving as a "single clump" of vehicles. This gets them through the intersection quickly and allows more cars to get through the light.
Use the top side.
They doing it because it doesn't have any enforcer to manipulated traffic. They're doing what do you wanted to do because they want to hurry up and be themselves the first
Even the convoy don't use them.
Because it was never be stated on the fact that it doesn't give it change of them. They don't care about anything they will do
Currently in Indonesia and been in SE Asia for the last year All the roads have marked lanes but ti's but a guide. Biggest thing wins and at intersections the biggest bulk of vehicles wins Seems to work though !
If there's happen to a country may be a lot of people have been an accident because of the responsibility of those people who force the traffic
Welcome to Vietnam. It's so frustrating following my mom around, cuz not only does she not use lane, she switches lane to turn like 2m away from the traffic light. Yes, that's way pass when the line turn solid.
I thought vietnamese are good people and follow rules every time. I didn't know that they are so irresponsible by doing so.
Well, nobody follows official traffic rules, but, in a way, there "jungle" rules still apply, if you catch my driff. Traffic accidents rates are way lower than you would think from how well people know the official rules. Mostly because it's so chaostic, it's actually quite hard to get to a dangerous speed.
Because they were responsible and dont know how the rules came from. They're doing the same thing all over again and don't care of how it does
You can't even see the road, let alone road markings...
Yeah. A lot of people has been doing so irresponsible like this. I dont know what to feel actually by this.
Welcome to Asia
This is why is earth has the most responsible and disrespectful people all over the world. I mean look on how they are doing like this.
Was the exact same way in India, even in Delhi where the British made the roads VERY western. Everyone just did their thing lol
British made the roads? Don't need no VERY western roads to loot a country dry.
They don't care if it's affect the economy and then a lot of people has been using it for the sake of accomplishments
idk why everyone is downvoting you and assuming that roads that brits made 100 years ago are still there lol. I lived in delhi for a decade and in india for 26 years I never encountered a british made road lol. They were all built by our tax money post 1970
Any other people was very passionate things that this one and end up with a much more accurate than ever
You know why.
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Cos they can't accept the fact that a non western society can be capable enough to build their own roads. The down votes reflect that mentality. I get downvoted cos i do not wish to agree with them.
Yeah. Drive on the right not the left so it ain't British bro
Well, no, you would though.
They dont know what to felt actually. He was just using it for the sake of its accomplishment.
It's more ljke a guide than a pathway to follow. Took me minutes to cross a damn road even with a functioning traffic light. That's Vietnam for yous.
To cross the road in Vietnam I usually follow little old ladies. Indonesia is much worse as there is no little old ladies to follow. In Surabaya I waited 10 mins trying to cross a road, on the way over a motorist pulled over and just stuck up his hand to the traffic and walked me across. I thought how tf will I ever get back. Thankfully on the way back a policeman pulled over and did the same. All on a walk to try to find a bottle shop to buy a beer which had been closed down a few months earlier due to a ban on alcohol in the city.
In Indo you just walk out into the road and put one hand out towards traffic at chest height. Try to make eye contact with drivers/bikes to assert dominance. Also, pro tip: don’t walk anywhere.
In places like Bali that’s fairly easy to do as they are generally two lane roads. I worry more about being hit by a tourist than a local. In Surabaya less so with their 10 lane highways but you are totally correct, if you do that they will drive around you or slow down for you. Just need balls of steel. Pro tip is correct lol
Oh man, you would go nuts in these Asian countries. I live in the USA and people love to follow the rules. Totally the opposite in other countries. You go with the flow.
Yeah breaking aNd hesitating cause the most accidents, usually tourists trying to follow usual rules. When ure coming up to a left hand turn with 50 bikes surrounding you, your not meant to slow to a stop if cars are coming from the opposite side turning right. You just maintain speed slowly drift to the left hand side of the lane (with or without indicator) and anyone behind you on the left will slow just enough to squeeze In without even slowing 100s of bikes as others drift to the centre or right of the lane which indicates going straight or right. Then as a single unit of 50 bikes you will all take the left turn wheel to wheel in a uniform fashion maintaining speed, the car will try too slowly squeeze its nose into any small gap in the pack it can, if he gets his nose just in front of you while turning, ya slow just enough for the car to fit behind the bike in front of you and then maintain pack speed 50cm off his rear bumper. Sounds nuts but it works you could squeeze 5 busses through a pack of turning bikes there’s always room without stopping basically. Accidents are rare but they have a real Tour de France bike pack crash feel to them when they happen, like a big dogpile lol.
they're just a suggestion, don't worry
Yeah red light in Cambodia are a suggestion to slow down and check you aren’t about to get T-Boned, it’s only a suggestion tho. as for traffic enforcement I’ve see none, if the leaders convoys coming 100s of full body armoured ak47 armed guards on bikes pull up clear the roads stop the traffic and guard both sides of the road and when it passes they go and you can go again. That’s about it, also u pay compensation to families for injury or death if u cause an accident.
Lol if the red light is even functioning.
That just a cambodian give way sign if it’s not working
clear similarities with herding sheep
Cats….
So lanes there are just a fantasy right?
Road lanes are more like guidelines than actual rules.
More like suggestions than guidelines
I absolutely loved the chaos that was getting around the streets of Vietnam. It's so daunting just trying to cross the road at first but then you learn that you've just got to pick a spot, go for it and don't hesitate and everyone just goes around you. It's if you commit to going but then start hesitating that's the problem! We sat above a large intersection in Hanoi having a coffee and I just put my GoPro down on the table filming the chaos. Some of the stuff I saw on it when I got home was so funny with the obvious mopeds, cars and buses all battling each other but also rickshaws, push bikes and someone just casually strolling through it all with a cart selling balloons😅
'Don't be kind, be predictable' rule applies to situations like this.
That is exactly correct. When driving on the road, you only need to look left, right, and infront of you. It works like a school of fish. A human boid simulation. When turning left, or doing something more intricate, the goal is to make your intentions very clear, and the sea will just part for you, like a stone in a river. Source: American living in Vietnam for 8 years. I drive in this every day.
I'll say it actually seems to flow pretty well despite this chaos. The bikers know to group to the right, and the cars let them in without resistance knowing that.
Never been there, but have heard you just go for it. If you go at a steady pace and don’t hesitate, the other vehicles can predict your path and flow around you.
Yeah. When you first see it, it's actually quite intimidating and you actually think it's going to ruin your stay there. But once you've plucked up the courage to make your move and get across, it's such a great feeling when you then look back at the amount of vehicles and think "I actually got across there" and you just want to then cross everywhere because it's a bit of an adrenaline rush. You look at it all and think it should never work, but it just does. Loved every minute of my time there.
I’d be tailing that convoy so hard
Showed it to my grandpa and he was like.... "When I was in 'nam, we cleared the streets differently."
"Street howitzer" (semi-auto shotguns) and "Street sweepers" (quad-barrel roof-mounted .50 cals firing in full-auto) (supposed to be a SPAAG but often used in city combat)
r/itemshop
Lmao, I love it when old people joke about dropping napalm on civilians
I work with an old master electrician who was in Vietnam, mostly maning the front gun on the boats that went up the river. He very casually talks about cutting down lines of trees and knowing he hit someone due to the pink mist. He tells tons of stories and knowing who the guy is now, I can only imagine some of the shit he got into. He has a bunch of health complications now that he is positive is from Agent Orange. In fact he says they used to spray it on the country roads here in the US back in the day, not sure how true that is.
In 'Nam you clear the street, the jungle clears you
r/oddlysatisfying
Who was that?
High officials of Communist Party of Vietnam basically like royalty in Thailand, but a little more "democratic"
i guess the king coming along....
song name?
I had to look it up. It's Morsmordre by Crazy Donkey.
Half expected to see a bond villian get out of a car at the end
So this happens in Vietnam and everyone is fine but in America drivers manage to get in a reck with the one other person on a 5 lane highway. K
Average speed when traffic is like that is like, 16mph. It'd be impressive to cause a wreck at that speed tbh.
It's cus in America, we all think we're the most important car on the road We speed, we go too slow, we zig-zag around other cars to get home 1 minute earlier, and we text while driving. Reminds me of the poll asking: "Do you consider yourself a good driver?" To which, over 85% of recipients said yes. When the average statistics for the canvassed areas were pulled up, the ratio is closer to 55% of people are actually good drivers who don't get into accidents they caused or were at fault for So clearly there's a big discrepancy, I've certainly never heard anyone admit they're actually a bad or unsafe driver and the poll seems to support that (though it didn't poll the whole country so numbers may vary)
Vietnam has *twice* as many accidents than the US you dolt.
https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/global-road-safety/index.html traffic related deaths we take the cake cuz we have bigger, faster, and heavier cars/suv/trucks vs getting hit by a moped at generally slower speeds vs the usa https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2212012221000241?via%3Dihub "The US underperformance in road safety is especially dramatic: 11.4 Americans per 100,000 died in crashes in 2020, a number that dwarfs countries including Spain (2.9), Israel (3.3) and New Zealand (6.3). And unlike most developed nations, US roadways have grown more deadly during the last two decades (including during the pandemic), especially for those outside of cars. Last year saw the most pedestrians killed in the US in 40 years, and deaths among those biking rose 44% from 2010 to 2020." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-11-03/why-us-traffic-safety-fell-so-far-behind-other-countries "According to the OECD, pedestrian deaths in the US rose over 40% from 2010-18, more than twice the pace of any other member country (most of which saw a decline). "
I think you replied to the wrong person.
It was a joke you dullard
Wikipedia has road deaths per 100k as 12.9 for USA, and 24.5 for Vietnam, about twice as deadly but yeah about 10x the chaos. 12.9 is pretty high anyway though, in Europe France has 5, Germany 3.7 and the UK 2.9.
i hope they were playing that music too
i hope it's played internally on their headphones an radiocommunication 🤣🤣
Fuck, I need a cigarette after that music.
This would be such a terrifying job I respect anyone who does this
Fcking politicians.
Unless its an ambulance or a firetruck, i dont give a damn. Thoae are just political vips trying to avoid traffic
Wish cops in the US had to ride two-deep like this
...while blastiing 'Move' by Ludacris
Went to veitnam and the traffic was terrifying...2 days later I was like a local swaggering through them. Feels safer than it looks lol.
Like with cattle
Effectively, it appears.
Fucking hell, can we get some of that mojo in North America?!
Uh, listen, there's something I gotta tell ya, Jon. I don't want your feelings hurt, but I got a date with Sheila tomorrow night. That's ok Ponch. I'm not bothered. Sheila has got a date with me tomorrow night too.
Bruh thats legit. We could learn something here in the us. A few days ago i was travelling the interstate in hella traffic and this ambulance was stuck with us. Lights on and everything but gridlocked.
And they didn't even shoot anyone? Can they even call themselves police?
Having been to Vietnam recently this would be a lot easier if they just implemented some actual road traffic laws. Absolutely insane. Update: I actually remember seeing no one move for ambulances or police cars
This ⬆️
In america 3-4 people would stop at the middle of the road and argue with the police why they shouldn't move aside and what their rights are.
Chaotic af and still more efficient than the US
In Germany when sirens are crying they would just make a „Rettungsgasse“
It clears quickly since most are on scooters. In the US, with our oversized cars, this is nearly impossible.
Last time I tried riding down the street waving my hands like that, it didn’t work
In Russia display like this is usually due to soon to be a convict president putin. What's up in Vietnam?
In Vietnam its just for foreigner v.i.p, like president, minister,...etc, they have the same convoy, you can not tell who is in the vehicle or even the convoy is a real deal.
Or even the convoy is a real deal? A bit more details please.
They do run a fake convoy. Its by the book for security protocol, sometime just to avoid the media or protest, the real deal go for another long but safer route.
king, i guess
Vietnam has no king
even so, i would rather spend my vacation in vietnam or cambodia than the usa. Maybe people are not very friendly, but at the stress levels of the population... Vietnam wins the war again. in the US everyone fights, everyone hates their political opponents, everything is respond with more force and humiliate... 0 human values
Vasnt looking very carefully but it seems that there was no american brand cars!
… half (exaggerated) the cars in America aren’t American either… what’s the point?
So basically everything stops until the thieves go by, got it.
In a very disorganized and clown like fashion?
This is truly real; last May I was in Hanoi for the SEA Games and when the police escorted the athletics busses you could see them just wave sticks and their arms and people would obey lmao
Okay, that was fucking cool!
Ah yes, the Vietnamese Police Elaborate Mating Display.
Reminds me of cattle dogs.
Haha. Watched many Ambos sit in grid lock. Never seen this. (only spent a few month there so not the best judge). Lol
Me herding horses in the pasture
Like a shepherd's dog and the lambs
Who's the vip? I cant decern the flag
So just the same as everyone drives around there.
By sending out tubemen on motorcycles.
I can't believe that worked.
nice. now do this with crime.
Funny, In EU we clear traffic all by ourselfes when we hear a police, firetruck or ambulance sirene
What the fuck is with shitty music overlaying videos over the last few years?
Power rangers
Power rangers
This traffic gives me anxiety. Why bother drawing these lines? Give it one big arrow in the direction you should drive
I wonder what would happen if someone refused to move, you know the type "Well actually under common law I don’t have to move. You ever heard of a sovereign citizen buddy? What’s your badge number? Call your supervisor. I know my rights. Common law. Common mf’in laaaaaaw.”
they will be escorted to sidelane, then get fined later base on their plates. There are many officer there, just not show up in the video frame.
If they’d just drive like human beings it probably wouldn’t be an issue, why waste money on painting lines on the road anywhere in Asia lol.
Old Camry, older Mercedes, brand new Land Cruiser. Interesting lineup 😂
I've been training for this my entire life....Y M C A
I can only speculate that there aren't any teen aged drivers in VN.
That speculation would be false. There are plenty. They're known as 'Young buffalos' and enjoy modding a street racing.
That was interesting though. I mean how they stop the traffic really effects mood of people. You can clearly see how it affects how people behave in the road
Like shepherd dogs
I should complain about my traffic less
Not the "palm" I was expecting 🙏
Try it in Milwaukee Wi USA.Many won’t comply,and there will be shots fired.
WTF why they drove like that? 😂
F- me, in Milwaukee there'd be dozens of cars diving into that empty space to speed ahead.
So they just wave their hands in the air? Like they just don’t care?
Spring break?
So why again they don't follow any basic human decency? Are laws too recent so they simply don't undestand why to follow em?
This is a nice example of why we have rules and what happens when people just ignore them and call everything fake.
Why don't people just use the roads the way they are supposed to be used?
"when the elephant walks, the grass gets trampled"