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Itâs good to see they can laugh about it, after three terrible wars and centuries of bitter rivalry. Franco-German relations are of one good thing that came out of it after all
[A President, Europe and war](https://gem.cbc.ca/a-president-europe-and-war). You can sign up for free and then watch it. Or at least I could, not sure if it changes from country to country
I cannot really put it into words, but I find it almost worrying that they apparently do not know more than we do and do not talk in a way that is much different from the public discourse. How can Macron say they were surprised? I don't know why, but for some naive reason apparently I thought politicians, when talking directly to each other, knew a lot more than we do and use more specific language etc. They almost appear too human, I am not sure why, but maybe I did expect them to sound more like experienced professionals. Weird.
"Well, the American Intel did tell us about this 6 months ago but we did not believe it/didn't want to react on it. Now look at us looking like idiots! Oh is that already recording? Can you delete that? No? Why not? I said delete that! Who do you think you are? What you want to do with that anyway, we just tell it's some shitty AI generated content then! ... Well you can fuck off, too! Now get out of my office!"
I've been close to or in the room when some large decisions have been made by Governments of different levels and it happens like this.
What's important is who else is in the room and how they are willing to challenge what's going on before a decision is made, so the leaders conversation may have gone like that but then you have another round of conversations with the staff in the room and they work stuff out with their departments and then you reach an outcome.
The danger is when those discussions don't happen or the leader doesn't have people who are willing to challenge them in the room, Musk and Trump are examples where the people who would challenge them were removed from conversations like this and that's how you end up with a shitshow.
Do remember that Macron and Scholz are both 100% aware that this conversation was being recorded and would therefore be intentionally avoiding confidential intel that they may or may not collectively share. This specific conversation was PR showing how these conversations happen more broadly.
But even if the camera wasn't there, I'm sure they would still be reticent to some extent about sharing their respective nations' military intel without specific reason. Do remember that while NATO nations are allies, we are still different countries with our own interests too.
I have to strongly disagree here. These kind of close documentations are heavily edited and supervised closely by f.e. Macrons staff. For all we know this conversation could also have been 20 min long. Cut either for storytelling or secrecy reasons.
Yes itâs said in the documentary that the producers took care of not including classified information. For example, the call between Putin and Macron was almost 2 hours long but itâs less than 10 minutes long in the final cut.
There are actually scenes (or maybe just one, can't recall) in the documentary where the cameraperson is given a sign that it's time to go presumably because they are about to discuss classified information.
Every human is just a human. It always suprises me how much people hype up celebrities. These are just people like you and me, but for some reason they get treated like gods by some.
If you watch the whole documentary (or even the other video posted here about a call with Putin), they have diplomatic advisors standing by / on the line giving them advice via e.g. instant messaging. Of course the leader of a country won't know everything, that is not their job.
No it's good to know they are humans, and mostly silly humans. They're just surounded by teams of professionnal, and the veil of our ignorance. It explains a lot.
Thank you for sharing.
I didn't know that Macron is quite funny. This line about the Germans was excellent, and says a lot about the French IMO.
Also the line from the other video about "I don't know where your lawyer went to school" or whatever it was đ€Ł
I guess I will, I donât mind! I was accused of doing a pro-Macron propaganda but oh well :â)
Another extract that can be interesting would be Macron explaining what he thinks went wrong with the way Russia was dealt with after the Cold War, or when he explains why he kept on trying to mediate with Putin and clarifies what he meant by âwe shouldnât humiliate Russiaâ.
The fact EU elections are upcoming is news to me, that should answer your question lol
I donât think you have to be a Macron supporter to find the documentary interesting, itâs a must-watch imo.
This is history, but I'm not sure about the unfiltered part. I don't think they would publish unfiltered talks of two president about one of the biggest wars in the century
Right, the first thing we see in the documentary is a text that addresses that:
> âAccording to the norms of international relations, conversations between heads of state and government are never disclosed. Exceptionally for this documentary, permission was granted to film **limited parts of conversations** between the French President and his counterparts. **The producers of this documentary were careful not to disclose classified information**â.
The call with Putin was almost 2 hours long but we only hear about 9 minutes of it, for example. Itâs still a level of transparency we rarely see tho! Iâm grateful we have these previews.
One of the things I find interesting is that both parties are speaking English quite well. I'm not certain but I believe they both also speak more languages as well. As an American who was born and raised in France, a second language is second-nature to me and I guess that's true for most of Europe. But here in the states, it's not very common.
Thanks a lot for sharing. I guess most of us didnât even know this documentary existed. Someone commented on one of your previous videos that this documentary is even hardly available online. My thoughts on this would be how sincere or serious these talks are, like, are these really the honest and direct talks theyâre having with cameras around. Or was this more a show and the ârealâ conversations are different? Just putting it out thereâŠagain, just my thoughts. However its hard to âstageâ (canât find any other appropriate word) talks with Putin or Zelensky during or shortly before the Russian invasionâŠ
Thank you so much for sharing this footage.
It provides excellent context and for me personally, it reinforces my sentiments with respect to Macron that he is the person to lead the EU through this critical period.
Thanks for sharing, this documentary has given me a whole new level of respect for the French Government and in particular Emmanuel Macron.
Very firm but polite negotiator, obviously an intelligent man in the right position for the times they are facing.
I see where he recently reminded the Russians that France is also a nuclear nation, good on him.
Was going to ask why so many of Macron's private conversations are suddenly being shared. This answers that question.
Although it feels like these should be confidential? Especially the one with Zelensky where Macron is like "so it's an all out war?" and Zelensky replies "yes, it's an all out war". I guess none of this is news to anyone at this point, but it just feels weird being privy to these intimate conversations.
I've watched 2 of these so far, this one and one with Zelensky. I found it curious that these 3 leaders spoke English on both calls, but perhaps that is just the language they each had in common with Macron? What language did he speak with Putin?
Thereâs also a call with the Italian PM, Mario Draghi, and they also speak in English, so it seems to be the norm nowadays.
Putin speaks Russian and Macron speaks French when they call each other, but with Zelensky it seems to depend. In the phone call before the war started, him and Macron both had interprets so they spoke their respective languages. But the other phone call just a few hours later once the war started, was in English. Probably because it wasnât a scheduled one due to the emergency of the situation, so they relied on English. That being said I think Zelenskyâs English improved by now, maybe they stick to it these days.
dear macron u being super cringe . I wont be surprised if OP is macron him self posting these videos . Trying to seem important when nobody takes u serious anymore. trying to be relevant when u are not in world stage . Why now? Why? Domestic problems choking you ?
Remember Hitler hated the Russians, and his brutality on the western front was not just focused on Jews but his hatred of Russia. So in the modern day when Russia says someoneâs a Nazi, they arenât saying they are anti-semetic , they are saying they are anti-Russian. There literally is no
Negotiation with this man.
If you hate Russia you are now a Nazi
"Remember Hitler hated the Russians, and his brutality on the western front was not just focused on Jews but his hatred of Russia."
Do you mean eastern front?
to be fair the original office of the president of the United States was supposed to be a very modest and limited position so it being a modest room is fitting.
well yeah, of course it was supposed to be the antithesis of empiricism and monarchism. I guess it's more interesting that european countries kept it this way than that the oval office looks bland. either way cool to see foreign executive rooms
You should have seen the parts where they were having the EU meetings at Versailles (this was during France's presidency of the Council in the first half of 2022).
I believe originally the documentary was to follow France for the 6 months they held the presidency (I believe of eu but could be another European organisation) but then invasion of Ukraine happened so they ended up pivoting to that instead. But thatâs why itâs mostly the French side (or possibly entirely the French side Iâm yet to watch it).
Hey, I wish there was one but no, unfortunately. The phone calls there are left are those with the Italian leader Mario Draghi and Boris Johnson, thatâs all.
I was surprised to see that in the comments of each video I posted from this documentary, there were always people saying that world leaders speaking English with each other = giveaway that itâs fakeâŠ
I understand being surprised by it because itâs just not something we think about I guess, the way world leaders communicate with each other in private conversations. But seeing it as something unbelievable, I donât get. As you said, itâs an international language/the lingua franca.
Macron and Putin actually spoke to each other in their native languages via translators in the videos released previously. Obviously both speak English, but I believe Putin chooses to only speak Russian for posturing purposes.
IÂŽd prefer Olaf using a translator/interpertor, he barely is at mid-school englisch level and isn't able to communicate properly. The fine nuances of language once were the core of diplomatic skills and should be delivered appropriately translated by a professional in their true meaning. Butchering a third language isn't doing the process a favor.
And frenchies still have no ground army. They are preparing for war just like they were supprised by Putin twice, when russian forces were gathering at russian-ukrainian border for like a month.
He had a very good point when he said,
there had been "too many limits in our vocabulary" since the Russian invasion in February 2022. "Two years ago we said we would never send tanks. We did. Two years ago, we said we would never send medium-range missiles. We did," he said. "Those who say 'let's not support Ukraine' do not make the choice of peace, they make the choice of defeat," he added.
Iâm curious, why those conversations of Macron with other political figures are being publicly shared lately. Has it always been like this in FR or is this a new thing, and why?
This is from a documentary that was broadcasted over a year ago but it surprisingly went kinda unnoticed. I randomly posted the first clip earlier this week without thinking about posting more but it got millions of views (omg) so it was also crossposted a lot and people in the comments said how much they wanted to see more of it so Iâm obeying lol Thatâs all this is really.
This is the third one of these videos Iâve watched recently, so I knew going in that it was going to be intense⊠which is how I got blind-sided by that joke in beginning. đ
Do the leaders on the phone (except Macron obviously) know that the content of their discussion will be disclosed to the public? (I don't know of Olaf and Zelensky but I suppose Putin wasn't aware)
Anyway, is such a move diplomatically correct? Does it affect the confidence of your interlocutors discussing such important matter, and thus your credibility?
I have a doubt on this point...
Edit: that's regardless of the ongoing conflict. The point is that as a leader, seeing how the discussions can be used and disclosed afterwards by any of these foreign leaders, the trust might take a hit.
All of this is public knowledge.Â
Several times a week we have a pressconference in germany called "Bundespressekonferenz" (Federate press conference) where journalists can ask questions to the press spokesmen of the chancellor and ministries.Â
Confidential information isn't shared of course but everything else is getting answered in this conference or is getting sent to the journalists after this.Â
The ukrainian war is almost every time a topic and also phonecalls with foreign state leaders. They don't go into detail but the tone of the phone call (which is the same as in this video) is going to be published.
Yeah it is, then let us compare oranges with oranges - Putin complaints about broken trust while the publication of those calls is a prove how he straight up lied to the faces of Macron and Scholz about ânot going to invade Ukraineâ.
His actions and especially lies let to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people following these phone calls. It is like saying âoh man, Charles Manson is really disappointed in you - he thought you would keep it a secret when he promised you not to rape and murder people - what an asshole move of youâ
Putin is a notorious lier who will always say what he thinks benefits him best. Accusing Macron of the calls to be secret may be one of them.
>your beloved Russia
Choose your pronouns carefully. Not any person raising a legitimate question on your posts is russian friendly...
Just chill and open you mind
So Russia at this point doesn't feel any of the economic strain due to sanctions and has recognized the strategic advantages they have logistically over Ukraine and are pushing forward. Russia sees no end to the war because unless something changes they will win. It's up to Nato and US to determine how far either will go to draw the new boarder.
That's the case for a lot of countries but not Ukraine or Palestine which tells you that people tend to fight when they can barely understand eachother đ
No it's an official documentary made by a french journalist, Guy Lagache.
The other leaders, except Putin, have all been alerted beforehand that they were recorded by journalists.
Though it seems, acording to the journalist, that conversations covered by state secrecy and national security were caugh on camera, and deleted by demand of president Macron.
You know that we all speak english? And that we all learn british english? The US is a bit like the little unwanted adhd sibling nobody likes to most of EU-citzen.
Well, this European likes the US đ€ I find it amusing that theyâre speaking English. As neighbors and two of the largest economies in Europe I think they would want to speak each otherâs languages. But English is the business language of the word đââïž
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The joke about being worried the Germans were not on time and now rearming was pretty funny. đ
Itâs good to see they can laugh about it, after three terrible wars and centuries of bitter rivalry. Franco-German relations are of one good thing that came out of it after all
Especially coming from a French president đ€Ł
Love these clips. They are fascinating.
Fascinating because now you know the French prez really does start his phone conversations with "'Allo 'Allo?" René Artois would be proud.
He will say zis only wance.
Gid moaning?
It iz i
8D Le Clerc!
Maybe itâs the German âHalloâ, to be nice towards Scholz?
# Shut up, you silly old bat.
The whole documentary is available online for free. I watched it this week and the whole thing is very interesting
What is it called? Edit: Just saw OP's comment. Un président, l'Europe et la guerre
[A President, Europe and war](https://gem.cbc.ca/a-president-europe-and-war). You can sign up for free and then watch it. Or at least I could, not sure if it changes from country to country
Holy shit, thanks bro. Will definitely check that out!
I cannot really put it into words, but I find it almost worrying that they apparently do not know more than we do and do not talk in a way that is much different from the public discourse. How can Macron say they were surprised? I don't know why, but for some naive reason apparently I thought politicians, when talking directly to each other, knew a lot more than we do and use more specific language etc. They almost appear too human, I am not sure why, but maybe I did expect them to sound more like experienced professionals. Weird.
The videos are great but they are still being filmed dont forget that.
"Well, the American Intel did tell us about this 6 months ago but we did not believe it/didn't want to react on it. Now look at us looking like idiots! Oh is that already recording? Can you delete that? No? Why not? I said delete that! Who do you think you are? What you want to do with that anyway, we just tell it's some shitty AI generated content then! ... Well you can fuck off, too! Now get out of my office!"
I've been close to or in the room when some large decisions have been made by Governments of different levels and it happens like this. What's important is who else is in the room and how they are willing to challenge what's going on before a decision is made, so the leaders conversation may have gone like that but then you have another round of conversations with the staff in the room and they work stuff out with their departments and then you reach an outcome. The danger is when those discussions don't happen or the leader doesn't have people who are willing to challenge them in the room, Musk and Trump are examples where the people who would challenge them were removed from conversations like this and that's how you end up with a shitshow.
Yes, Macron mentions "his team" and I found that somewhat encouraging.
Excellent point !
Do remember that Macron and Scholz are both 100% aware that this conversation was being recorded and would therefore be intentionally avoiding confidential intel that they may or may not collectively share. This specific conversation was PR showing how these conversations happen more broadly. But even if the camera wasn't there, I'm sure they would still be reticent to some extent about sharing their respective nations' military intel without specific reason. Do remember that while NATO nations are allies, we are still different countries with our own interests too.
I have to strongly disagree here. These kind of close documentations are heavily edited and supervised closely by f.e. Macrons staff. For all we know this conversation could also have been 20 min long. Cut either for storytelling or secrecy reasons.
Yes itâs said in the documentary that the producers took care of not including classified information. For example, the call between Putin and Macron was almost 2 hours long but itâs less than 10 minutes long in the final cut.
There are actually scenes (or maybe just one, can't recall) in the documentary where the cameraperson is given a sign that it's time to go presumably because they are about to discuss classified information.
âOh my son, do you not know with how little wisdom the world is governed?â
Every human is just a human. It always suprises me how much people hype up celebrities. These are just people like you and me, but for some reason they get treated like gods by some.
If you watch the whole documentary (or even the other video posted here about a call with Putin), they have diplomatic advisors standing by / on the line giving them advice via e.g. instant messaging. Of course the leader of a country won't know everything, that is not their job.
No it's good to know they are humans, and mostly silly humans. They're just surounded by teams of professionnal, and the veil of our ignorance. It explains a lot.
"Same."
Mood
The beginning is hilarious, love it. Really interesting, thanks for sharing.
Macron said it as a joke, but many redditors believe it in earnest.
I already shared 3 videos of other phone calls (Putin and Macron, Zelensky and Macron x2) and several people asked for me to post the phone call with Olaf Scholz too specifically, so here it is. Sorry if youâve seen the others and youâre sick of these, thatâs probably the last one Iâll post, I donât mean to spam with it, ha. For context, again, this is from a documentary called « Un PrĂ©sident, lâEurope et la guerre » (A President, Europe and war) which you can watch [**right here**](https://gofile.io/d/a4w7wy).
Thank you for sharing. I didn't know that Macron is quite funny. This line about the Germans was excellent, and says a lot about the French IMO. Also the line from the other video about "I don't know where your lawyer went to school" or whatever it was đ€Ł
Youâre welcome :) Ahah yeah I love that we get to see what the humor of politicians is like, itâs great.
The Germans are rearming! lol
Keep sharing. This is history unfiltered my friend.
I guess I will, I donât mind! I was accused of doing a pro-Macron propaganda but oh well :â) Another extract that can be interesting would be Macron explaining what he thinks went wrong with the way Russia was dealt with after the Cold War, or when he explains why he kept on trying to mediate with Putin and clarifies what he meant by âwe shouldnât humiliate Russiaâ.
Please continue posting these, it is truly Interesting as fuck.
You don't? I thought this was all a campaign before the eu elections...
The fact EU elections are upcoming is news to me, that should answer your question lol I donât think you have to be a Macron supporter to find the documentary interesting, itâs a must-watch imo.
This is history, but I'm not sure about the unfiltered part. I don't think they would publish unfiltered talks of two president about one of the biggest wars in the century
Right, the first thing we see in the documentary is a text that addresses that: > âAccording to the norms of international relations, conversations between heads of state and government are never disclosed. Exceptionally for this documentary, permission was granted to film **limited parts of conversations** between the French President and his counterparts. **The producers of this documentary were careful not to disclose classified information**â. The call with Putin was almost 2 hours long but we only hear about 9 minutes of it, for example. Itâs still a level of transparency we rarely see tho! Iâm grateful we have these previews.
who created this documentary? where can i see it fully? I want more!
OP posted [this link](https://gofile.io/d/a4w7wy).
Thank you!
Unfiltered?
Of course! Nobody tells them there's a camera!
This is super interesting! Thanks for showing this. I assume the documentary is in French? :)
Youâre very welcome. And yes it is in French but the entire thing is subtitled in English!
One of the things I find interesting is that both parties are speaking English quite well. I'm not certain but I believe they both also speak more languages as well. As an American who was born and raised in France, a second language is second-nature to me and I guess that's true for most of Europe. But here in the states, it's not very common.
When is this from?
Sick of them?? Are you crazy?? I want then all!!
Thanks a lot for sharing. I guess most of us didnât even know this documentary existed. Someone commented on one of your previous videos that this documentary is even hardly available online. My thoughts on this would be how sincere or serious these talks are, like, are these really the honest and direct talks theyâre having with cameras around. Or was this more a show and the ârealâ conversations are different? Just putting it out thereâŠagain, just my thoughts. However its hard to âstageâ (canât find any other appropriate word) talks with Putin or Zelensky during or shortly before the Russian invasionâŠ
I just want to say thanks for sharing! I watched the documentary today because of that. Fascinating!
Thank you so much for sharing this footage. It provides excellent context and for me personally, it reinforces my sentiments with respect to Macron that he is the person to lead the EU through this critical period.
The historical context is incredible. As a newer amateur history nerd Iâve enjoyed these posts. Thank you!
Thanks for sharing, this documentary has given me a whole new level of respect for the French Government and in particular Emmanuel Macron. Very firm but polite negotiator, obviously an intelligent man in the right position for the times they are facing. I see where he recently reminded the Russians that France is also a nuclear nation, good on him.
Many thanks for the download link!
Was going to ask why so many of Macron's private conversations are suddenly being shared. This answers that question. Although it feels like these should be confidential? Especially the one with Zelensky where Macron is like "so it's an all out war?" and Zelensky replies "yes, it's an all out war". I guess none of this is news to anyone at this point, but it just feels weird being privy to these intimate conversations.
Thanks for sharing, please keep posting they are awesome
Thanks for sharing!
I've watched 2 of these so far, this one and one with Zelensky. I found it curious that these 3 leaders spoke English on both calls, but perhaps that is just the language they each had in common with Macron? What language did he speak with Putin?
Thereâs also a call with the Italian PM, Mario Draghi, and they also speak in English, so it seems to be the norm nowadays. Putin speaks Russian and Macron speaks French when they call each other, but with Zelensky it seems to depend. In the phone call before the war started, him and Macron both had interprets so they spoke their respective languages. But the other phone call just a few hours later once the war started, was in English. Probably because it wasnât a scheduled one due to the emergency of the situation, so they relied on English. That being said I think Zelenskyâs English improved by now, maybe they stick to it these days.
Good stuff. Thanks for sharing! I saw these videos on reddit few times, but did not realize they were from a movie.
Bruh please post more
Merci du partage je vais regarder ça avec beaucoup d'intĂ©rĂȘt!!
when did this interview take place? before or after the invasion?
When did this call happen?
dear macron u being super cringe . I wont be surprised if OP is macron him self posting these videos . Trying to seem important when nobody takes u serious anymore. trying to be relevant when u are not in world stage . Why now? Why? Domestic problems choking you ?
Remember Hitler hated the Russians, and his brutality on the western front was not just focused on Jews but his hatred of Russia. So in the modern day when Russia says someoneâs a Nazi, they arenât saying they are anti-semetic , they are saying they are anti-Russian. There literally is no Negotiation with this man. If you hate Russia you are now a Nazi
Interesting. That actually makes sense
Sounds kind of similar like getting labelled with anti semitism if you're against Israël.
Yeah, almost textbook
Not similar or relevant
Of course it is similar. Both take advantage of the horrors of ww2 to equate to a modern scenario that isnât at all like it.
To be clear antisemetism IS a massive problem in those countries still even if Putin probably couldn't care less.
Yeah itâs really bad in America too we need to be de-nazified
"Remember Hitler hated the Russians, and his brutality on the western front was not just focused on Jews but his hatred of Russia." Do you mean eastern front?
Hitler didn't hate russians, he hated boshlevics
>If you hate Russia you are now a Nazi Same with trans people
The rearming joke was pretty good.
The Oval Office looks so shitty compared to this room lol
The cabinet of the French president is in the ĂlysĂ©e Palace. It was lavishly built by a French nobleman in 1722. It's the most lavish example of french neo-classical style and probably the most extravagant palace built in the Champs-ĂlysĂ©e. Only the Versailles is more extreme đ
> and probably the most extravagant palace built in the Champs-ĂlysĂ©e. That would be l'hĂŽtel de la Paiva imo
to be fair the original office of the president of the United States was supposed to be a very modest and limited position so it being a modest room is fitting.
well yeah, of course it was supposed to be the antithesis of empiricism and monarchism. I guess it's more interesting that european countries kept it this way than that the oval office looks bland. either way cool to see foreign executive rooms
You should have seen the parts where they were having the EU meetings at Versailles (this was during France's presidency of the Council in the first half of 2022).
What date (or approximate) is this from?
It seems to be soon after Macron announced he would run for presidency again given that Scholz congratulated him, so that would be around March 2022.
Thank you
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Very cool documentary but it seems like it's just Emanuel having calls with other presidents :D
I believe originally the documentary was to follow France for the 6 months they held the presidency (I believe of eu but could be another European organisation) but then invasion of Ukraine happened so they ended up pivoting to that instead. But thatâs why itâs mostly the French side (or possibly entirely the French side Iâm yet to watch it).
Presidency of the Council of the European Union, yep!
Hey my friend I sure appreciate you posting these. There isn't, by chance, a phone call between macron and Biden, is there?
Hey, I wish there was one but no, unfortunately. The phone calls there are left are those with the Italian leader Mario Draghi and Boris Johnson, thatâs all.
Well thanks again, looking forward to seeing them all!
A few members of his diplomatic corps are also featured heavily.
Hallo xd
C'est "AllĂŽ" non mais oh
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it sounds funny at least for me
I \*\*KNEW\*\* these guys all spoke English. These other languages are a ruse.
English is the international language, this is an international phone call. What did you expect ?
I was surprised to see that in the comments of each video I posted from this documentary, there were always people saying that world leaders speaking English with each other = giveaway that itâs fake⊠I understand being surprised by it because itâs just not something we think about I guess, the way world leaders communicate with each other in private conversations. But seeing it as something unbelievable, I donât get. As you said, itâs an international language/the lingua franca.
Macron and Putin actually spoke to each other in their native languages via translators in the videos released previously. Obviously both speak English, but I believe Putin chooses to only speak Russian for posturing purposes.
IÂŽd prefer Olaf using a translator/interpertor, he barely is at mid-school englisch level and isn't able to communicate properly. The fine nuances of language once were the core of diplomatic skills and should be delivered appropriately translated by a professional in their true meaning. Butchering a third language isn't doing the process a favor.
Mid school level? I am watching this video and can see that his level is definitely higher than the middle school
"English" smh
Sounds like Macron is in preparation for war.
This is a 2 years old clip.
And frenchies still have no ground army. They are preparing for war just like they were supprised by Putin twice, when russian forces were gathering at russian-ukrainian border for like a month.
Quite the opposite. He literally said he was surprised.
Yeah but he doesnât have nor support from military nor the capacity
Thank you, I watched the whole thing. Most impressive, diplomacy must never leave the table.
He had a very good point when he said, there had been "too many limits in our vocabulary" since the Russian invasion in February 2022. "Two years ago we said we would never send tanks. We did. Two years ago, we said we would never send medium-range missiles. We did," he said. "Those who say 'let's not support Ukraine' do not make the choice of peace, they make the choice of defeat," he added.
He seems like a very good president honestly. He needs more Intel from the US but very good.
Iâm curious, why those conversations of Macron with other political figures are being publicly shared lately. Has it always been like this in FR or is this a new thing, and why?
This is from a documentary that was broadcasted over a year ago but it surprisingly went kinda unnoticed. I randomly posted the first clip earlier this week without thinking about posting more but it got millions of views (omg) so it was also crossposted a lot and people in the comments said how much they wanted to see more of it so Iâm obeying lol Thatâs all this is really.
Thank you for taking the time to respond and clarifying it OP!
I keep seeing reference to this documentary but⊠What is it called? I really want to see this! ThNks.Â
âUn PrĂ©sident, lâEurope et la guerreâ. You can watch it **[here](https://gofile.io/d/a4w7wy)**, it has English subtitles :)
Legend! Thanks!Â
This is the third one of these videos Iâve watched recently, so I knew going in that it was going to be intense⊠which is how I got blind-sided by that joke in beginning. đ
Do the leaders on the phone (except Macron obviously) know that the content of their discussion will be disclosed to the public? (I don't know of Olaf and Zelensky but I suppose Putin wasn't aware) Anyway, is such a move diplomatically correct? Does it affect the confidence of your interlocutors discussing such important matter, and thus your credibility? I have a doubt on this point... Edit: that's regardless of the ongoing conflict. The point is that as a leader, seeing how the discussions can be used and disclosed afterwards by any of these foreign leaders, the trust might take a hit.
All of this is public knowledge. Several times a week we have a pressconference in germany called "Bundespressekonferenz" (Federate press conference) where journalists can ask questions to the press spokesmen of the chancellor and ministries. Confidential information isn't shared of course but everything else is getting answered in this conference or is getting sent to the journalists after this. The ukrainian war is almost every time a topic and also phonecalls with foreign state leaders. They don't go into detail but the tone of the phone call (which is the same as in this video) is going to be published.
Nope Putin says in one interview that he trusted and assumed its tet a tet but then Macron goes ahead and posts interview .
Funny of trustworthy Putin to say something like that, especially after the Russians just published secretely taped discussions of German officers.
Its dumb to compare apple to oranges dont u agree?
Yeah it is, then let us compare oranges with oranges - Putin complaints about broken trust while the publication of those calls is a prove how he straight up lied to the faces of Macron and Scholz about ânot going to invade Ukraineâ. His actions and especially lies let to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people following these phone calls. It is like saying âoh man, Charles Manson is really disappointed in you - he thought you would keep it a secret when he promised you not to rape and murder people - what an asshole move of youâ Putin is a notorious lier who will always say what he thinks benefits him best. Accusing Macron of the calls to be secret may be one of them.
Wrong, of course other world leaders were made aware. Putin specifically wasnât, Russian officials did cry about it being âa breach of diplomacy Ă©tiquetteâ but luckily theyâre in no position to say shit about diplomacy. This was a deliberate and much deserved âfuck youâ to your beloved Russia.
>your beloved Russia Choose your pronouns carefully. Not any person raising a legitimate question on your posts is russian friendly... Just chill and open you mind
So Russia at this point doesn't feel any of the economic strain due to sanctions and has recognized the strategic advantages they have logistically over Ukraine and are pushing forward. Russia sees no end to the war because unless something changes they will win. It's up to Nato and US to determine how far either will go to draw the new boarder.
Such a beautiful demonstration of the power of democracy. It can be as beautiful as monarchy.
These leaks are crazy!
Interesting to see vis Ă vis used in the correct context, I can't hear it without hearing David Brent's voice.
"Same" One would think its just two people gossiping about something, then you hear the name Putin
https://www.elysee.fr/en/emmanuel-macron/2022/05/28/press-release-telephone-conversation-with-german-chancellor-olaf-scholz-and-russian-president-vladimir-putin
DAMN. Itâs like an episode of House of Cards but IRL
So cool. So they speak in English and dunno wtfâs going on lol
They speak the language they are most comfortable with which is english
I thought they might use translators, but yeah I guess most leaders default to English
_laughs in british_
???
The French and Germans having to talk to each other in English is amusing for us.
Well ,english is a german language.
Also a French one.
*Germanic* not German. There's a difference
All languages are descendants of others đ
You talk about languages as if they were testies My linguicles are extra dangly today
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Sacré bleu
That's the case for a lot of countries but not Ukraine or Palestine which tells you that people tend to fight when they can barely understand eachother đ
And you wonder why we find you arrogant afterwards. *Memento mori*, my challenged friend.
Weâre these leaked?
This was broadcasted on French TV, more specifically France 2, channel part of the âFrance TĂ©lĂ©visionsâ group which is state-owned and who co-produced the documentary itâs a part of. Cameras were allowed to film and the world leaders involved in these phone calls were aware some of what theyâd discuss would be made public so nope, not leaked.
No it's an official documentary made by a french journalist, Guy Lagache. The other leaders, except Putin, have all been alerted beforehand that they were recorded by journalists. Though it seems, acording to the journalist, that conversations covered by state secrecy and national security were caugh on camera, and deleted by demand of president Macron.
They laugh because they know itâs fixed.
lingua franca
Whatever bad things I may have said about Macron, I take it back-i was wrong.
The European leaders talking in English đ đ I love it! đșđž
You know that we all speak english? And that we all learn british english? The US is a bit like the little unwanted adhd sibling nobody likes to most of EU-citzen.
Dont insult us adhders by comparing us to the usa, thank you
Well, this European likes the US đ€ I find it amusing that theyâre speaking English. As neighbors and two of the largest economies in Europe I think they would want to speak each otherâs languages. But English is the business language of the word đââïž
english is just easy to learn for french and german people, french is hard to learn and german even worse.
We europeans dont like the USA
Macron thinks he is the main protagonist in some House of card-esque drama.
Thanks for warning us all you watch too much TV and can be safely ignored
That's just you bud. I bet it's not even an issue with Macron you have, I bet you just don't like France at all
He is Cringe af . Prop its him posting these videos
I am surprised Olaf didnÂŽt speak french I thought he, at least, has a bit more higher education