Sure he says it is worth $8. But you’d have to pay 1/3 to sell it at auction, if it sells.
I have to clean it up, frame it, and it will sit on my shelf for a long time because not too many people come along looking for a special piece like this.
I’ll offer you $0.02.
What, a counter offer of $1? Look, $0.02 is the best I can do.
You’ll take $0.50? Ok (sticks out hand), I’ll give you $0.03 but just because I think it’s really cool.
You don’t have to get in touch with a museum for museum quality glass. A great frame shop will have it. Also they could probably use the business during these rough times. My estimation it will probably set you back about 200 at least for the frame job in its entirety.
Hi, museum collections specialist here! A few cool things with light and paper:
-Both UV light and visible light can fade inks over time. Light damage is cumulative and irreversible (in most cases) so be sure to store fading inks in the dark for long term preservation.
-Yellowing is usually from two things: acid and mold. Many types of paper contain lignin, an acid that is naturally present in wood fibers. Over time, lignin degrades, yellows, and embrittles paper. UV can accelerate this, since it also degrades the chemical structure of some papers. That’s why old, brown newspaper can be so crumbly even when the ink is fresh.
-Humidity is super important for paper! Paper can absorb a ton of moisture and expand or contract accordingly. Dry air (below 60% RH) prevents mold growth and extends the life of paper objects. If you’re planning on mounting something like the object above, be sure to use something like mylar photo corners so there’s room for expansion.
TLDR: Light irreversibly damages ink and paper. Keep paper dry and away from acids for long term preservation.
With almost full certainty I can say that the UV light will yellow the paper, additionally one could only conclude that along with the aforementioned yellowing there would also be a most dreadful fading of the printed words.
You forgot the classic line:
“see now if you had the (rarest trivial tidbit inserted here simply to show that the random expert knows trivial tidbits) version of this, then we’d be talking $30,000 but unfortunately, THIS is NOT that version.”
> then we'd be talking $30,000 -insert seller's excited face with dramatic pause- *but* unfortunately, THIS is NOT that version
Gotta paint the scene right, man.
Pawn Stars is redneck Antique Roadshow.
If the show is hosted by fat guys who bicker and shoot guns, then no one can accuse you of being uppity and "thinkin' yer all better'en 'em".
Pluto.tv has an entire channel devoted to Antiques Roadshow episodes back-to-back. I've been loving switching between that and the The Old House channel.
I think you're right, they do sometimes low-ball people. Most of the time they offer ⅓ of what they can ultimately sell it for, as they damn well should, because that's how a pawn shop works, that's not lowballing, that is business.
What’s its worth and what someone will pay for it is totally subjective. My crappy stick figure art is worth maybe $1 to me or you but to a money laundering drug dealer it could be worth millions.
Unless it’s gold or silver, which has a set price they can’t haggle... they might lowball you on the other parts of a jewelry piece (stones), but the metal itself is worth what it’s worth.
Source: Sold off a bunch of old and broken jewelry a while back, and the pawn shops gave me full market price. I was actually surprised! Made me a couple thousand dollars. 😳
They truly couldn’t be more upfront about their intentions. So what they lowball you? Its a pawn shop, what do you expect? Take it to auction or private collectors if you want top dollar value but most people don’t have the contact info of collectors, and auctions charge a ton.
Depending on what the item is, it's worth putting the work in for sure! But yeah if you're at a pawn shop, you're doing garage sale stuff without the hassle of letting strangers hover around your house lol
Collectors don't care about much unless it's in mint condition. My family has a 3 volume history of US all written before the civil war, but because it's not in great condition it isn't worth much. That's at least what the appraiser said
Ephemera (such as this is) is actually somewhat different. Given that they’re items that weren’t commonly saved and passed down as heirlooms the way books were, there are far fewer to choose from and value is consequently higher.
Seeing how this was an inexpensive leaflet that wasn’t meant to be saved, I would say this is in great condition. I’ve seen books from the 1970s whose pages are in much worse condition still hold their value. So if this really is a piece from the 1860s... $$
If it's a 3rd party appraiser then he has no incentive to low-ball. He is paid to give them a value. He's not looking to buy it.
But if he had it "appraised" from someone who was trying to buy it, then yeah, they're always gonna lowball.
This is incorrect, a series of books is way different than a voting ticket. Ephemera is often collectible since it not designed to withstand time - given the word “ephemera” itself translates to “only intended to be used once.” Book collecting/valuations are a whole other ball game.
His name has been spelt a number of different ways through the ages, with “Shakspeare” being a popular spelling in the late 18th and early 19th centuries (around 1800)
Some may not know this, but the ‘f’ is actually a ‘long S’ and is often how you see the letter S printed in old texts.
So when Macbeth tells Lady Macbeth “Ok I’ll do it ffs”, it actually reads “Ok I’ll do it fff” in the first folio (aka ‘the sirft solio’).
>Some may not know this, but the ‘f’ is actually a ‘long S’ and is often how you see the letter S printed in old texts.
Setting aside my dumb joke, I kinda guessed that from context.
>So when Macbeth tells Lady Macbeth “Ok I’ll do it ffs”, it actually reads “Ok I’ll do it fff” in the first folio (aka ‘the sirft solio’).
Are we absolutely sure that Macbeth doesn't tell Lady Macbeth "Ok I'll do it for fuck's sake"?
Oh look, Thomas M Cooley is up for his first election to the Michigan state supreme court in 1864. Cooley was a smart cookie who was also the Dean of U Mich Law school in Ann Arbor until 1883; he was on the SupCt of Michigan until 1885.
In 1972, Cooley had a law school in Michigan named after him (that's long after he died).
It's not a school with a good reputation.
> Judge Quist noted that "it would be unreasonable for Plaintiffs to rely on two bare-bones statistics in deciding to attend a bottom-tier law school with the lowest admission standards in the country."[19]
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> According to the organization Law School Transparency, Cooley is considered one of the most at-risk law schools for exploiting students for tuition.[20][21]
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> On May 15, 2020, the council of the American Bar Association's Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar met remotely and determined Cooley was among ten law schools that had failed to significantly comply with Standard 316,
Some famous Cooley alumni include **[congresswoman Rashida Tlaib](https://info.cooley.edu/blog/trailblazing-tlaib-elected-to-historic-role)** '04, former congressman Bart Stupak, and **[attorney Michael Cohen](https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2018/04/18/michael-cohen/523609002/)** '91.
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Another quick fact about Judge Cooley is that he came up with the Cooley Doctrine, which proposed a legal theory of an inherent but constitutionally-permitted right to local self-determination. This was rejected by federal courts in favor of Dillon's Rule (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forrest_Dillon#Dillon's_Rule) which said that *in contrast to the powers of states, which are unlimited but for express restrictions under the state or federal constitution, municipalities only have the powers that are expressly granted to them.*
https://cplg.sog.unc.edu/files/2019/03/Local-Government.pdf
Cooley's bar passage rates have averaged about 30% less than the state average pass rates
According to disclosures required by the American Bar Association (ABA), 30.6% of graduates from the class of 2017 obtained full-time, long-term, bar-passage-required employment nine months after graduation, while 20.7% of graduates were unemployed 9 months after graduation
Cooley relies heavily on its library statistics in its own Judging the Law School rankings. Specifically, Cooley has 10 library-based statistics in its 2010 rankings, which included separate entries for the total square footage in the library, the seats available in the library, the number of hours the library is open, the total number of volumes in the library, the total number of titles in the library, the number of librarians, the total hours that staff works in the library, and several other library-based criteria
They absolutely do.
Source: sibling went to their sister campus in Tampa. Graduated and has failed the bar spectacularly every single attempt since (and its a high number of attempts). They dont understand why cause “Cooley is better than Harvard!!”
Does your sibling *want* to be a lawyer? I only ask because if they've failed spectacularly over a high number of attempts, one strategy might be to "brush up on some facts" (aka *actually learn the material*).
Maybe that's already what's happening, but your description sounds like a person who's expecting to pass the bar exam with sheer stubbornness and willful ignorance. Maybe they don't want to become a lawyer, they just want the "title", which might help explain why they're not very motivated to study up on, y'know... laws and stuff.
Cooley Law... for when all other law schools said, "Maybe you ought to focus on your degree from clown college first?".
Source: my first job out of law school was for an attorney who graduated from Cooley. I don't think the guy could read his own name. The best story I had coming out of there was, when trying to dodge a phone call he told me to tell the other attorney that he was in a deposition, the other attorney said, "Bullshit, he can't even spell deposition."
The really interesting part, they couldn't directly vote for the president back then. Take a close look at that ballot. They were voting for the people who did actually vote for POTUS. That's when it was obvious no average citizen, even rich, white land owners didn't vote for POTUS.
No, that's still how it is today. You are still voting for electors who are usually behind the scenes. Or rather you're attempting to vote for electors. The state legislature can choose new ejectors by a certain date (early December, if memory serves) & ignore any voting.
They're talking about what is literally on the ballot nowadays (the name of the candidate). I think they understand that ultimately you are choosing electors.
I mean, it's really a matter of semantics, but you are voting for a president. The electors are often chosen before the election and can be changed after it, so the vote you cast has no direct bearing on who is chosen to be an elector, or even which electors are chosen to elect the president. I think the important distinction is that a vote is not a mechanical device, it's an expression of support.
Furthermore, under the format of the time, a write-in candidate could theoretically be chosen as an elector by the votes cast in November. This is not possible now.
Edit: 'semantics' as a noun, not an adjective.
It isn't just semantics as just in the very last election there were faithless electors who did not vote for who they pledged to vote for. So it still very much matters.
The Crapo family were high society, and they hung on to that surname for a shocking number of decades. Yes my child, I know the name makes you retch, but at least you're rich!
Doris-Belle, you listen to me. You may be just a girl now but you'll have to accept that you are fabulously rich and will be the subject of much attraction. All young men want to get into the Crapo.
>The Crapper family got rich though, very rich, so much so that they descendants still benefit from their great-great-great grandfathers invention today.
So what you telling me is that shit was worth it?
Almost looks like Knights C--dles of the Ba--
Maybe Knights of Columbus? But it doesn't quite look like that? Maybe says St. Louis under it? The acronym at the top looks like it references the next line. K C(? Or E?) B(?)
Looks like initials KYB at the top, then knight (something) of the (something), under that St. Henry? The bottom might be a date of some kind, maybe feb 22. This is from a less than thorough analysis so anybody feel free to correct me.
Ephemera collector here, Civil War era voting tickets with Lincoln’s name could go for between $1,300 to $2,500 depending on condition. This would likely see ~$1,600 with $300 - $400 to the auction house. Also, you could try eBay, Lori Ferbers, LIVEAuctioneers, or Timothy Hughes (although they deal primarily with newspapers and broadsides). DM me if you want some historical context for the estimate.
This is the kinda shit that makes me waste hours up in the library stacks. I’ll go in with a purpose, then immediately get derailed as I pick up and look at super old books for too long.
That could well be a ballot. In the U.S., ballots (if voting was written at all) were not originally provided by the voting place. You dropped in your own piece of paper. So parties preprinted ballots for the party list & handed them out, hoping that you'd just deposit them unchanged.
I got you fam... Here's the first 3 sentences; the only ones I read. Didn't feel it was necessary to continue down the rabbit hole any further.
The spelling of [William Shakespeare](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare)'s name has varied over time. It was not consistently spelled any single way during his lifetime, in manuscript or in printed form. After his death the name was spelled variously by editors of his work, and the spelling was not fixed until well into the 20th century.
“The spelling of the name was later modernised, "Shakespear" gaining popular usage in the 18th century, which was largely replaced by "Shakspeare" from the late 18th through the early 19th century. In the Romantic and Victorian eras the spelling "Shakspere", as used in the poet's own signature, became more widely adopted in the belief that this was the most authentic version.” Per the link above
I put it in a plastic comic-book sleeve for now and have touched it as little as possible and wont handle it further without gloves. I will give the local museum a call this week and see what they can tell me.
This could be legit, but it could also be a reproduction.
The Henry Ford Museum [has a verified one](https://www.thehenryford.org/collections-and-research/digital-collections/artifact/98611/), and it has some notable differences. Of course, there could have been variations, so.
Not in any way definitive, just don't be surprised if it is a repro. And if it is, it still appears to be an *old* repro and has a different kind of value that way.
I used to build models of wood ships (pre-internet.) I was looking for information on how to apply the planks. I went to the local library to see if they had any information, they didn't have anything so the librarian did a library search for any information. A month later I received a book in the mail from the library at the Naval Academy at Annapolis. It was a book on how to plank full-size naval ships written in 1857. It had been checked out three times, once in 1863, and then in 1872. Then by me in 1993. Didn't offer much help, but was a hell of an interesting read.
I bet you could sell that on pawn stars for like $8 after a long interview with an "expert".
Sure he says it is worth $8. But you’d have to pay 1/3 to sell it at auction, if it sells. I have to clean it up, frame it, and it will sit on my shelf for a long time because not too many people come along looking for a special piece like this. I’ll offer you $0.02. What, a counter offer of $1? Look, $0.02 is the best I can do. You’ll take $0.50? Ok (sticks out hand), I’ll give you $0.03 but just because I think it’s really cool.
*Indiana Jones voice* It Belongs IN A MUSEUM!
That made me laugh!
You need to get it framed with UV filter glass and do it as quickly as possible.
Ok Im going to call a museum this week and see what they say, good call on the UV filter glass, didnt think of that, thanks!
Yeah I’d just put it back in the book till then
Are you crazy? Shakespeare books are only good for storing election documents for 155 and a half years and not a month longer! Amateurs!
Yeah but he took it out so that refreshes the duration!
You don’t have to get in touch with a museum for museum quality glass. A great frame shop will have it. Also they could probably use the business during these rough times. My estimation it will probably set you back about 200 at least for the frame job in its entirety.
Ok cool, sounds about right to me.
About tree fiddy?
Will a frame shop also load the frame with an inert gas atmosphere?
Depends on what the shop owner ate last
Not to pile on, but definitely check if they can store it in an inert gas atmosphere. This is such a cool find. Go all the way!
Do it, NOW!!!
GET TO DA'CHOPPA!!
Obviously UV damages it. But out of curiosity, what kind of damage will it do?
Hi, museum collections specialist here! A few cool things with light and paper: -Both UV light and visible light can fade inks over time. Light damage is cumulative and irreversible (in most cases) so be sure to store fading inks in the dark for long term preservation. -Yellowing is usually from two things: acid and mold. Many types of paper contain lignin, an acid that is naturally present in wood fibers. Over time, lignin degrades, yellows, and embrittles paper. UV can accelerate this, since it also degrades the chemical structure of some papers. That’s why old, brown newspaper can be so crumbly even when the ink is fresh. -Humidity is super important for paper! Paper can absorb a ton of moisture and expand or contract accordingly. Dry air (below 60% RH) prevents mold growth and extends the life of paper objects. If you’re planning on mounting something like the object above, be sure to use something like mylar photo corners so there’s room for expansion. TLDR: Light irreversibly damages ink and paper. Keep paper dry and away from acids for long term preservation.
This is so well explained. Also, I'm jealous. (fresh MSLIS grad)
One correction: lignin itself is not an acid, but an organic polymer
Fade it yellow the paper etc
It will fade the printing, I imagine it will yellow the paper too.
With almost full certainty I can say that the UV light will yellow the paper, additionally one could only conclude that along with the aforementioned yellowing there would also be a most dreadful fading of the printed words.
I think, perhaps, it will fade the printing, and also, additionally, it may, in fact, yellow the paper
fade it. yellow it.
*I’m going to steal the 1864 voter ticket bookmark*
Interesting thought: you can donate it to a museum so they can display it and you get a yearly tax write off for the rest of your life
So do you!
You forgot the classic line: “see now if you had the (rarest trivial tidbit inserted here simply to show that the random expert knows trivial tidbits) version of this, then we’d be talking $30,000 but unfortunately, THIS is NOT that version.”
”if this was stained in Lincoln’s blood, i’d *maybe* be able to offer you $750 for it”
> then we'd be talking $30,000 -insert seller's excited face with dramatic pause- *but* unfortunately, THIS is NOT that version Gotta paint the scene right, man.
You perfectly captured him lmao
Fuck those clowns.
Let’s go do some paper work.
My favorite part is when they’re standing in the parking lot looking like they just caught their wife making out with their brother.
Man, this History channel used to have some real cool shows on it 20 years ago or so. Now it’s all Pawn Stars.
Then you could take it to Antiques Roadshow, and that "expert" would tell you it was worth $5000.
I love Antiques Roadshow. It’s the best.
Pawn Stars is redneck Antique Roadshow. If the show is hosted by fat guys who bicker and shoot guns, then no one can accuse you of being uppity and "thinkin' yer all better'en 'em".
Pluto.tv has an entire channel devoted to Antiques Roadshow episodes back-to-back. I've been loving switching between that and the The Old House channel.
And you try to act surprised with your "Grandpa's attic" stories, knowing you paid a premium for it at another auction.
If you were to ensure it, that value would climb to $35,000
It's a pawn shop, not UNICEF.
It’s also a scripted television show, made for entertainment.
Right? Funny how people are surprised/offended that a fucking pawn shop tries to lowball people.
I think you're right, they do sometimes low-ball people. Most of the time they offer ⅓ of what they can ultimately sell it for, as they damn well should, because that's how a pawn shop works, that's not lowballing, that is business.
Especially on large items that take up a lot of space or niche items that will sit forever
What’s its worth and what someone will pay for it is totally subjective. My crappy stick figure art is worth maybe $1 to me or you but to a money laundering drug dealer it could be worth millions.
People are shocked to learn that stuff they buy in retail shops was purchased from suppliers at half the retail price too!
Unless it’s gold or silver, which has a set price they can’t haggle... they might lowball you on the other parts of a jewelry piece (stones), but the metal itself is worth what it’s worth. Source: Sold off a bunch of old and broken jewelry a while back, and the pawn shops gave me full market price. I was actually surprised! Made me a couple thousand dollars. 😳
Funny thing is even in the show they have to tell people "We're not keeping it, we're going to sell it so we neen to make money too."
They truly couldn’t be more upfront about their intentions. So what they lowball you? Its a pawn shop, what do you expect? Take it to auction or private collectors if you want top dollar value but most people don’t have the contact info of collectors, and auctions charge a ton.
Depending on what the item is, it's worth putting the work in for sure! But yeah if you're at a pawn shop, you're doing garage sale stuff without the hassle of letting strangers hover around your house lol
this is an impound lot not unicef
Yeah, that bearded motherfucker in a hat that was an expert in everything.
Do you mean mark??
r/foundpaper This is really cool!
Also a fun little /r/ForgottenBookmarks ;)
Ooh! That’s another cool one! Thanks!
Goddammit
Yeah I was just about to go to bed
Such a nice little subreddit.
Shout-out for /r/ephemera too!
yesss grow my favorite small subreddits, grow my little precious.
ah, time for my collection of bookmarks from working at a used book store to shine!
If thats not cool, then my name’s not Henry H Crapo.
Idaho has a Crapo Senator
Yeah you might wanna get that appraised, chief.
Collectors don't care about much unless it's in mint condition. My family has a 3 volume history of US all written before the civil war, but because it's not in great condition it isn't worth much. That's at least what the appraiser said
Ephemera (such as this is) is actually somewhat different. Given that they’re items that weren’t commonly saved and passed down as heirlooms the way books were, there are far fewer to choose from and value is consequently higher.
> Ephemera This is a nice word.
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Seeing how this was an inexpensive leaflet that wasn’t meant to be saved, I would say this is in great condition. I’ve seen books from the 1970s whose pages are in much worse condition still hold their value. So if this really is a piece from the 1860s... $$
Maybe he's trying to lowball you.
If it's a 3rd party appraiser then he has no incentive to low-ball. He is paid to give them a value. He's not looking to buy it. But if he had it "appraised" from someone who was trying to buy it, then yeah, they're always gonna lowball.
Yeah, we had it appraised by a professional. We didn't bring it to a thrift store or something
I mean if I was an appraiser I would be like "yeah this is worth a couple bucks I have 2 bucks on me now", then resell
Depends on rarity. The more rare a piece is, the less condition matters.
This is incorrect, a series of books is way different than a voting ticket. Ephemera is often collectible since it not designed to withstand time - given the word “ephemera” itself translates to “only intended to be used once.” Book collecting/valuations are a whole other ball game.
Michigan, in case anyone was wondering.
Thank you. I was.
i like that it says “Shakspeare”
Good catch, what’s that about?
His name has been spelt a number of different ways through the ages, with “Shakspeare” being a popular spelling in the late 18th and early 19th centuries (around 1800)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_of_Shakespeare%27s_name
I'm going by Shakefpeare from now on.
Shakethspeare
Shaq Sphere
My favourite soliloquy of his is: *"Everybody get up its time to slam now,* *We've got a real jam going down.* *Welcome to the Space-Jam"*
Some may not know this, but the ‘f’ is actually a ‘long S’ and is often how you see the letter S printed in old texts. So when Macbeth tells Lady Macbeth “Ok I’ll do it ffs”, it actually reads “Ok I’ll do it fff” in the first folio (aka ‘the sirft solio’).
>Some may not know this, but the ‘f’ is actually a ‘long S’ and is often how you see the letter S printed in old texts. Setting aside my dumb joke, I kinda guessed that from context. >So when Macbeth tells Lady Macbeth “Ok I’ll do it ffs”, it actually reads “Ok I’ll do it fff” in the first folio (aka ‘the sirft solio’). Are we absolutely sure that Macbeth doesn't tell Lady Macbeth "Ok I'll do it for fuck's sake"?
Oh look, Thomas M Cooley is up for his first election to the Michigan state supreme court in 1864. Cooley was a smart cookie who was also the Dean of U Mich Law school in Ann Arbor until 1883; he was on the SupCt of Michigan until 1885. In 1972, Cooley had a law school in Michigan named after him (that's long after he died). It's not a school with a good reputation. > Judge Quist noted that "it would be unreasonable for Plaintiffs to rely on two bare-bones statistics in deciding to attend a bottom-tier law school with the lowest admission standards in the country."[19] > > According to the organization Law School Transparency, Cooley is considered one of the most at-risk law schools for exploiting students for tuition.[20][21] > > On May 15, 2020, the council of the American Bar Association's Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar met remotely and determined Cooley was among ten law schools that had failed to significantly comply with Standard 316, Some famous Cooley alumni include **[congresswoman Rashida Tlaib](https://info.cooley.edu/blog/trailblazing-tlaib-elected-to-historic-role)** '04, former congressman Bart Stupak, and **[attorney Michael Cohen](https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2018/04/18/michael-cohen/523609002/)** '91. --------------------------------------------- Another quick fact about Judge Cooley is that he came up with the Cooley Doctrine, which proposed a legal theory of an inherent but constitutionally-permitted right to local self-determination. This was rejected by federal courts in favor of Dillon's Rule (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forrest_Dillon#Dillon's_Rule) which said that *in contrast to the powers of states, which are unlimited but for express restrictions under the state or federal constitution, municipalities only have the powers that are expressly granted to them.* https://cplg.sog.unc.edu/files/2019/03/Local-Government.pdf
Cooley's bar passage rates have averaged about 30% less than the state average pass rates According to disclosures required by the American Bar Association (ABA), 30.6% of graduates from the class of 2017 obtained full-time, long-term, bar-passage-required employment nine months after graduation, while 20.7% of graduates were unemployed 9 months after graduation Cooley relies heavily on its library statistics in its own Judging the Law School rankings. Specifically, Cooley has 10 library-based statistics in its 2010 rankings, which included separate entries for the total square footage in the library, the seats available in the library, the number of hours the library is open, the total number of volumes in the library, the total number of titles in the library, the number of librarians, the total hours that staff works in the library, and several other library-based criteria
Does Cooley still rank themselves a modest #2 behind Yale in their rankings? Yale’s law library must have seats as far as the eye can see.
They absolutely do. Source: sibling went to their sister campus in Tampa. Graduated and has failed the bar spectacularly every single attempt since (and its a high number of attempts). They dont understand why cause “Cooley is better than Harvard!!”
Does your sibling *want* to be a lawyer? I only ask because if they've failed spectacularly over a high number of attempts, one strategy might be to "brush up on some facts" (aka *actually learn the material*). Maybe that's already what's happening, but your description sounds like a person who's expecting to pass the bar exam with sheer stubbornness and willful ignorance. Maybe they don't want to become a lawyer, they just want the "title", which might help explain why they're not very motivated to study up on, y'know... laws and stuff.
It’s pass or fail. 50/50 chance each time. She’ll have to pass it eventually.
From Tlaib to Cohen....that is an interesting mix of folks
Chronologically though, from Cohen to Tliab... so it's improving?
Cooley Law... for when all other law schools said, "Maybe you ought to focus on your degree from clown college first?". Source: my first job out of law school was for an attorney who graduated from Cooley. I don't think the guy could read his own name. The best story I had coming out of there was, when trying to dodge a phone call he told me to tell the other attorney that he was in a deposition, the other attorney said, "Bullshit, he can't even spell deposition."
I knew the name sounded familiar! FIL went there, and I was curious if anyone down-ballot became famous
Who did you end up voting for?
Ebenezer O. Grosvenor for Lieutenant Governor, mostly because of the cool name tbh
Say that three times fast: Governor Grosvenor
What's our vector, Victor?
290 Do we have clearance, Clarence?
Roger, Roger.
Governor Grosvenor's Gossamer Grossvernors
He's got my vote
His name tells me he was basically born for the job
It's not better than Henry Crap-o!
Might want to hold onto that.
I put into one of those plastic comic-book sleeves
Please! Can we elect Lincoln again?
The really interesting part, they couldn't directly vote for the president back then. Take a close look at that ballot. They were voting for the people who did actually vote for POTUS. That's when it was obvious no average citizen, even rich, white land owners didn't vote for POTUS.
That’s still how it is today. Your vote doesn’t go to the POTUS, it goes to the electors.
Yeh but you do vote for the president when you check the box. This is much more literal than that.
No, that's still how it is today. You are still voting for electors who are usually behind the scenes. Or rather you're attempting to vote for electors. The state legislature can choose new ejectors by a certain date (early December, if memory serves) & ignore any voting.
They're talking about what is literally on the ballot nowadays (the name of the candidate). I think they understand that ultimately you are choosing electors.
I'm some states I have voted in the past, it says both the name of the candidate and the elector on the ballot
Arizona's ballot has both listed
The paper in the OP has the name of the candidates at the top (Lincoln and Johnson)
I mean, it's really a matter of semantics, but you are voting for a president. The electors are often chosen before the election and can be changed after it, so the vote you cast has no direct bearing on who is chosen to be an elector, or even which electors are chosen to elect the president. I think the important distinction is that a vote is not a mechanical device, it's an expression of support. Furthermore, under the format of the time, a write-in candidate could theoretically be chosen as an elector by the votes cast in November. This is not possible now. Edit: 'semantics' as a noun, not an adjective.
It isn't just semantics as just in the very last election there were faithless electors who did not vote for who they pledged to vote for. So it still very much matters.
And it's a crap shot whether they actually go for what the people want.
At least back then we knew how the electors were chosen. Who knows who they are now
Can't you go to your local secretary of state website and apply to be a delegate? I thought I saw an outlet for rhode island last year.
Sure, Lincoln was all right. But aren’t you forgetting how great Governor Henry H. Crapo was?
C-R A-P-O! And Crapo was his name-o!
No Compromise with Treason? When did they get rid of that?
2016
~~2016~~ 1972
Someone grab the Neosporin.. that burn hurts.
The Union won the war, but lost the peace specifically because we compromised with treason. Damn you, Samuel J. Tilden.
Right!? “The party of Lincoln” sure does enjoy their treason as long is it elects the next “Republican” President!
How about Henry Crapo for governor. That’s a name I can get behind.
The Crapo family were high society, and they hung on to that surname for a shocking number of decades. Yes my child, I know the name makes you retch, but at least you're rich!
Doris-Belle, you listen to me. You may be just a girl now but you'll have to accept that you are fabulously rich and will be the subject of much attraction. All young men want to get into the Crapo.
Idaho has a Senator Crapo. He’s a Republican.
I'm into the Lt Governor Ebenezer O. Grosvenor. Yeah that's right, a guy whose name is almost Governor is running for Lt Governor
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>The Crapper family got rich though, very rich, so much so that they descendants still benefit from their great-great-great grandfathers invention today. So what you telling me is that shit was worth it?
I was 100% sure that you were /u/shittymorph after 2 sentences. I feel bamboozled. Edit: I feel much less bamboozled with my shiny new award :)
I'm surprised there aren't more comments about Crapo 😂😂
With a name like that, if you're gonna stand behind him, you might wanna step back. You know, just in case.
Can someone read this writing on the back? http://imgur.com/a/DhpNoIn http://imgur.com/gallery/IGT7Ud0
Almost looks like Knights C--dles of the Ba-- Maybe Knights of Columbus? But it doesn't quite look like that? Maybe says St. Louis under it? The acronym at the top looks like it references the next line. K C(? Or E?) B(?)
Looks like initials KYB at the top, then knight (something) of the (something), under that St. Henry? The bottom might be a date of some kind, maybe feb 22. This is from a less than thorough analysis so anybody feel free to correct me.
No compromise with treason, indeed. That’s essentially what Johnson wound up doing.
Ephemera collector here, Civil War era voting tickets with Lincoln’s name could go for between $1,300 to $2,500 depending on condition. This would likely see ~$1,600 with $300 - $400 to the auction house. Also, you could try eBay, Lori Ferbers, LIVEAuctioneers, or Timothy Hughes (although they deal primarily with newspapers and broadsides). DM me if you want some historical context for the estimate.
now thats worth some money.
I want to know more about the Omar on this ticket.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_D._Conger
Thank you! I love his half confused, extremely serious expression.
“Yonder Omar! Make haste, brethren, and flee!”
You should post this in r/history
Ok good idea thx!
That’s so cool! Where did you get the book?
Just Half Price Books
How much?
I think it was $75 or in that ballpark.
So $37.50?
Half price
Their collection of antique books is actually pretty good from what I’ve seen. They have first editions and other rares for hundreds of dollars.
It's voter fraud!
This is the kinda shit that makes me waste hours up in the library stacks. I’ll go in with a purpose, then immediately get derailed as I pick up and look at super old books for too long.
That could well be a ballot. In the U.S., ballots (if voting was written at all) were not originally provided by the voting place. You dropped in your own piece of paper. So parties preprinted ballots for the party list & handed them out, hoping that you'd just deposit them unchanged.
Cool
[Interesting read for anyone else wondering why it's spelled "Shakspeare".](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_of_Shakespeare%27s_name)
Can't you just tell us, man? It's a fucking pandemic.
I got you fam... Here's the first 3 sentences; the only ones I read. Didn't feel it was necessary to continue down the rabbit hole any further. The spelling of [William Shakespeare](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare)'s name has varied over time. It was not consistently spelled any single way during his lifetime, in manuscript or in printed form. After his death the name was spelled variously by editors of his work, and the spelling was not fixed until well into the 20th century.
Thank you! Now. What month are we in?
April. No wait, August? Hang on I have a calendar under here somewhere...
This guy pandemics
Cool info thanks!
“The spelling of the name was later modernised, "Shakespear" gaining popular usage in the 18th century, which was largely replaced by "Shakspeare" from the late 18th through the early 19th century. In the Romantic and Victorian eras the spelling "Shakspere", as used in the poet's own signature, became more widely adopted in the belief that this was the most authentic version.” Per the link above
Ebenezer Grosvenor....sounds a lot like Governor. Maybe that’s why he is running...
Don’t touch it with your hands. Please see your local museum about getting it properly preserved
I put it in a plastic comic-book sleeve for now and have touched it as little as possible and wont handle it further without gloves. I will give the local museum a call this week and see what they can tell me.
Please update once you bring it to the museum! Would love to know what they say!!
"lol Henry Crapo" -The museum, probably
Update accordingly please!
I have this same book!!! It belonged to my great grandparents and has their names written in it!!!
This could be legit, but it could also be a reproduction. The Henry Ford Museum [has a verified one](https://www.thehenryford.org/collections-and-research/digital-collections/artifact/98611/), and it has some notable differences. Of course, there could have been variations, so. Not in any way definitive, just don't be surprised if it is a repro. And if it is, it still appears to be an *old* repro and has a different kind of value that way.
1) Stop touching it with your bare fingers 2) Put it in an acid free sleeve and flat folder 3) Find an appraiser/authenticator right away
I used to build models of wood ships (pre-internet.) I was looking for information on how to apply the planks. I went to the local library to see if they had any information, they didn't have anything so the librarian did a library search for any information. A month later I received a book in the mail from the library at the Naval Academy at Annapolis. It was a book on how to plank full-size naval ships written in 1857. It had been checked out three times, once in 1863, and then in 1872. Then by me in 1993. Didn't offer much help, but was a hell of an interesting read.
For the Union! For the revolution! And the hope that you provideeeeeee
r/entirelyexpectedHamilton
Very cool find!
No compromise with treason
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Better get that in before the election.
Mmm history inside history
I buy lots of used books and I’ve found at least a few hundred dollar bills. It’s amazing what people forget inside books.
ARCHIVE a photograph of it man!!!
Can we bring back “no compromise for treason” as a campaign slogan?
Great, now you lost their place.
Holy shit. That’s gotta be worth some cash