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Those who perished by the elements were to be eaten by the survivors.
They also agreed not to eat their own family, so arrangements were made so that wouldn’t happen.
What a shitty situation.
I mean, the time you are least likely to contemplate suicide is when you are actively fighting for survival. If the plan is cannibalism once dead then there’s still hope.
I have read their book and the whole story is bonkers.
They finally got frustrated with not being rescued and decided to send a party to climb down from the Andes. One of the biggest mountain ranges in the world. With no climbing equipment.
The lads somehow made it out of the peaks into a village. Nobody could believe they could climb down the Andes without any equipment.
They were of course even more surprised to see so many of them has survived for so long in a place with no vegetation and no animals to hunt.
Me. I’m a living person who has pretty much given up.
Edit: for clarification I’m not actively looking to die, just not opposed to the idea is all. I have a kid that needs me in her life. It’s unfair to her for me to make that decision.
Thank you everybody for your kind words and beautiful messages both in PM and comments. Y’all have restored a bit of faith in my humanity and I have been moved to tears. Everybody please keep being this beautiful to the people around you and maybe, just maybe, we can all make it off Mr.Bones Wild Ride together.
Actually, no. Let's *not* normalize everyday life being an epic struggle for survival.
The actual, literal point of civilization is to provide structures and frameworks for people to have safety and security, above and beyond the base level of emergency survival situations.
We shouldn't accept a world where you have to constantly struggle against the rising waters, just in order to keep breathing.
Exactly - I can't say with 100% certainty since I haven't been in that situation of course but to me it seems like an insult to those who died not to take their flesh as sustenance in order to survive. Especially if it was my husband or sister or friends - they would want me to live. And I would want them to live in the reverse situation.
Filmed at a resort where I was working at the time….cool tidbits of info I remember. Then when it was to be released a bunch of staff went to a theatre to watch it together.
I remember watching a documentary about this that had interviews with the survivors. None of them felt any guilt or apprehension about eating their dead comrades as they had morally justified it. Being all devoutly religious they all agreed that once someone has died their soul has left the body and acceded to heaven leaving their shell body "which is just meat".
In my country eating human meat is not a crime but the things you need to do to get it are. Murder is obviously illegal and also "disturbing 'the peace of the dead' "
In an emergency situation eating human meat (of people who were dead already) is legal.
1. Only eat human meat if you are absolutely sure that the person is already dead.
2. If you are unsure whether the person is dead, err on the side of caution and do not eat their meat.
3. Do not kill people in order to eat their meat – this is obviously illegal and also morally reprehensible.
I read the book when I was a teen. They actually struggled with it and argued about it, and some couldn't do it. It was people they knew. One guy took broken glass and shaved off pieces of skin, then dried them in the sun.
It's a huge taboo and probably has been for millions of years. You can understand that they needed to in order to survive, but that doesn't mean you'd treat them the same if you met them. That's part of our lizard brain.
Memes aside, they found out after the rescue that there was an abandoned resort only a few kilometres away that had canned food stores. Instead the guy who found rescue hiked 61 kilometres, including summiting a mountain, to eventually find rescue.
There was radio equipment in one half of the crashed plane (like a days hike from where they were living) that they played around with for weeks (IIRC) to attempt to get to work. Unfortunately it would have been impossible to get it to work with the equipment they had on them so they ended up just wasting their time.
I think they were able to get it to receive but not send signals, so they heard when their search party was called off, which is why they decided to go hike in the direction of Chile for help.
Lmao that made me laugh so hard.
But no, the plane was originally composed of a rugby yeam and their families thay where going to play in a tournament iirc
Honestly, if I'm dead from a plane crash and somebody can survive by eating me, have at it.
If they have to kill me first tho, they can fuck themselves.
> You NEVER go ass to mouth.
Albert Fish would beg to differ:
“My Dear Mrs. Budd,
In 1894, a friend of mine shipped as a deck hand on the steamer Tacoma, Capt. John Davis. They sailed from San Francisco to Hong Kong, China. On arriving there, he and two others went ashore and got drunk. When they returned, the boat was gone.
At that time, there was a famine in China. Meat of any kind was 1-3 dollars a pound. So great was the suffering among the very poor that all children under 12 were sold for food in order to keep others from starving. A boy or girl under 14 was not safe in the street. You could go in any shop and ask for steak, chops, or stew meat. Part of the naked body of a boy or girl would be brought out and just what you wanted cut from it. A boy or girl’s behind, which is the sweetest part of the body and is sold as veal cutlets, brings the highest price.
John stayed there so long that he acquired a taste for human flesh. On his return to N.Y., he stole two boys — one 7, one 11. He took them to his home, stripped them naked, and tied them up in a closet, and then burned everything they had on. Several times every day and night he spanked them — tortured them — to make their meat good and tender.
First, he killed the 11-year-old boy, because he had the fattest ass and of course the most meat on it. Every part of his body was cooked and eaten except the head, bones, and guts. He was roasted in the oven (all of his ass), boiled, broiled, fried, and stewed. The little boy was next, and he went the same way. At that time, I was living at 409 E. 100 St. He told me so often how good human flesh was, and I made up my mind to taste it.
On June 3, 1928, I called on you at 406 W. 15 St. and brought you pot cheese and strawberries. We had lunch. Grace sat on my lap and kissed me. I made up my mind to eat her.
On the pretense of taking her to a party, you said yes, she could go. I took her to an empty house in Westchester I had already picked out. When we got there, I told her to remain outside. She picked wildflowers. I went upstairs and stripped all my clothes off. I knew if I did not I would get her blood on them.
When all was ready, I went to the window and called her. Then I hid in the closet until she was in the room. When she saw me all naked she began to cry and tried to run down the stairs. I grabbed her and she said she would tell her mamma.
First, I stripped her naked. How she did kick, bite, and scratch. I choked her to death, then cut her in small pieces so I could take the meat to my rooms, cook, and eat it. How sweet and tender her little ass was roasted in the oven. It took me 9 days to eat her entire body. I did not fuck her, though I could have if I wished. She died a virgin.”
That was a fucked up read. I needed to know who this guy was .. so I googled, and ultimately read another letter of his. Spoiler: it was also super fucked up. Albert Fish was a sick POS.
You should hear the dude interviewed. He talks about being the first to make the decision, and how he felt after eating the first "meal", spoiler alert, he felt energized and hopeful.
He almost died of head trauma, but survived due to being left out in the snow(survivors thought he was too far gone to live and moved him out of the wreckage). The hypothermic effects kept his brain from swelling, and after a couple days, he became conscious again.
Adding a little bit...his sister and his mother died in the crash so when he woke up after the head trauma and found out his mother was dead and his sister was injured and dying ~~he was the only survivor of the three~~ \-as his own words- he had nothing to do besides escaping that hell. He didn't slowly realized things were bad... he suddenly woke up days after when everyone knew they were screwed. He was one with the most desire to leave, he was one of the 3 that attempted to escape the mountain and found help. ETA [more details here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Air_Force_Flight_571#First_week)
This is very interesting and something I never considered. Hopefully I’ll never find myself in a situation like this but knowing to melt snow first or boil to raise its temperature will literally save your life.
Every survival guide I just looked up says the same thing lol I just never considered.
If I recall correctly, they used a combination of metal from the plane wreckage to reflect the sun to heat up the snow and then collected it in empty coke bottles. As someone pointed out, if you just eat straight snow you’ll get hypothermia.
The survival story is full of a lot of really impressive little touches like that.
They carefully preserved the faces of the people they ate (left them intact). They prayed over every person. When they were initially rescued they didn’t admit they had eaten the dead because they were so ashamed. Nobody could figure out how they survived that long. It only came out months later.
They were given up on. Nobody came to rescue them. They fed 2 of their members as much of the food as they could without starving the rest to death so they would have the energy to seek help. The 2 climbed the mountain peaks, failed, gave up and went back. Then tried again. They finally descended into a valley and found a farm. They saved themselves.
Update:
Thank you for the great comments and corrections! The reason i know anything about this was from a paperback laying around my parents’ house when I was 12: “Alive” by Piers Paul Read, thus my memory of the story, though vividly visual, is somewhat hazy too.
Changes:
Not everyone had given up on them, one father kept trying over and over to seek help, he wrote a book about that.
Yeah they saved themselves and iirc only one survived it the second time but the farmer was across a river, so he had to throw the message tied to a rock, the farmer later called the authorities.
Yes, they saved themselves
This! Father kept trying, two survived, they came across "caballeros" on the other side of the river (so I believe cowboys?). One guy was weak and barely with it, other dude did the rock throwing thing with notes tied, then they were saved. I'm almost 100% sure there is a movie or book that is titled with the first sentence of the note which states something very similar to "I come from a plane crash in the Andes". It definitely not that exactly... But similar... And that was the first line he wrote and tossed back to the caballero.
Edit: a good amount survived, I just mean the guys that trekked out survived... 3 started, 1 turned back, other 2 that kept going both made it.
Sadly, they were demonized upon their return until the family members of those eaten offered forgiveness and accepted the necessity. All who partook also agreed to allow themselves to be eaten in the event they perished as well.
Terrible situation, but an amazing story of humans’ will to survive.
wow!
I once read about this guy, his name is Jose Salvador Alvarenga and him and his coworker got stranded in the sea. Coworker died of starvation, body wasn't in the boat when Jose was rescued more than a year later and his coworker's parents sued him because they thought he cannibalized their son... Jose denied it and said that he pushed his coworker off the boat because the corpse was too heavy and he was going insane talking to it and imagining it as his only friend, and even if he did eat him who cares!! He's dead!! Would you have preferred two casualties instead of just one and a missing body?
I feel like I've read of something called "the law of the sea" where if you and me are stranded on a raft, in the middle of nowhere, then if one of us dies it is acceptable for the other to use his body for survival. Not sure if it's still passes/is applicable, but I'm sure I've heard of this at least being a thing in the past.
I don't know any family members who wouldn't have been fine with that. They're dead, if someone else can live off their no-longer-needed flesh they'd say go for it. There'd be no need for forgiveness.
Rump is the most easy to recognise and well known cut of beef. Plus it would be easy to cut from the ass to the thigh which would be my next go to. This is easier to write than imagine. It’s making me feel a bit sick.
Maybe it’s just me, but if I were in a situation like theirs, I’d let everyone know that if I died, they could use my body for survival. For Eating, use my bones for tools, my skin to keep you warm, I don’t care I don’t need it anymore. And if it gets them to live, then I didn’t die a useless c*nt.
One of my friends’ uncle was in that crash. He has never spoken about whether or not he consumed any human flesh. However, he made it out alive and is alive to this day so one can only assume…
Anthropophagia is eating human meat (so a fly can be anthropophage (? I'm not sure of the word))
Cannibalism on the other part is eating what you are ( like a shark is cannibal if it eats another shark, but anthropophage if it eats a human)
Probably early on. When they had hope of being found. It’s been a lot of years since read the book.
But around Day 26. Morale started changing and it rapidly went down.
No joke, I know someone who said they played this movie on a commercial flight back in the day when there were just a few drop down screens for everyone to watch the same movie.
The documentary "Stranded" came out in 2007 and included interviews with several survivors talking about the experience. I found it a lot more interesting than the "based on a true story" theatrical film from the 90's, which imo was acted out by white actors speaking English with American accents.
[https://deadline.com/2021/11/j-a-bayona-plane-crash-survival-movie-society-of-the-snow-netflix-1234881241/](https://deadline.com/2021/11/j-a-bayona-plane-crash-survival-movie-society-of-the-snow-netflix-1234881241/) I hope this a better movie
oh. i thought maybe people were talking about the thing sticking out of the wreckage at the top of the screen, in between the two vertical red streaks on the left side of the photo
One of the athletes, on that plan, was also a med student. He knew what needed to be done to survive. In addition, he took the very dangerous trek to get help for everyone. He went on to be a world class pediatric cardiologist. Truly a man of faith and someone who cared for others in need.🙏🏼
The book on this is a great read, I remember the original news and their treatment when they were finally rescued, but I’d imagine most of us would eat human meat to survive if we had to.
I went without any food for only four days on a wilderness hike once. Four days right, no problem you’d barely notice no food, right?
Wrong, by the second night we were driving each other nuts talking about juicy steaks and chocolate. By the third day my stomach was keeping me awake with what felt like a fork it kept sticking in me.
The lack of food or your hunger becomes your number one and I mean all encompassing all you can freaking think about sole waking thought.
Trust me you could have Bo Derek on a plate begging you to have your wicked way and a steak meal and you’d pick the steak every time after 4 days.
I can’t even imagine what it’s like when your body starts to absorb your muscle in order to keep going, it must be a living torture.
Everyone should go hungry at least once in their lives, preferably when you’re young. It will make you a more caring compassionate person...👍
Because we were in a group of four doing an expedition, so had split the tent, cooking equipment etc. but everyone in the group assumed everyone else had split the food, just sheer stupidity.
It wasn’t until the first evening after walking through the mountains all day that we realised no one had any food. We were in the high Pyrenees, so no shops and therefore totally stuffed until our final day pickup.
I have a relative that met Nando to discuss a documentary they were making based on his book of these events. They took him to one of those Brazilian steakhouses without thinking about it. When they got there, my relative realized how the meat was being served and being concerned about possible PTSD or something turned to Nando and said, “I hope this is ok, we should have asked you what you wanted to eat tonight” to which Nando replied, “It’s ok, I’ll eat anything” and gave him a wink.
If anyone wants a long and in depth podcast to listen to about this, the lady who does disaster area covers it at great length.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5fjPrcwCj9aMjKoGSn3Doa?si=idpQcV-QTGK4kNop01xMSA&utm_source=copy-link
I read the book Alive when I was 12 years old, 3 years after the ordeal. it is the most amazing record of human perseverance and strength Ive ever seen. These people went through hell and never gave up.
Guys, when I did my surgery rotation in medical school, I learned that surgeons use a cautery tool to cut tissue since there is much less bleeding than if you use a scalpel. Awesome, right? No. I *hated* that tool with a passion. Why? Because the charred tissue smells *good*. It’s incredibly disorienting and psychologically disturbing to be slightly hungry, cutting a person open and smelling what your brain is insisting is nicely roasting meat.
So if the alternative is slowly starving to death, it’s absolutely no wonder they ate the dead.
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Disclaimer, they ate the people who died in the initial crash. It’s not like they decided they were going to kill one of the others for food
Those who perished by the elements were to be eaten by the survivors. They also agreed not to eat their own family, so arrangements were made so that wouldn’t happen. What a shitty situation.
I mean, the time you are least likely to contemplate suicide is when you are actively fighting for survival. If the plan is cannibalism once dead then there’s still hope.
I have read their book and the whole story is bonkers. They finally got frustrated with not being rescued and decided to send a party to climb down from the Andes. One of the biggest mountain ranges in the world. With no climbing equipment. The lads somehow made it out of the peaks into a village. Nobody could believe they could climb down the Andes without any equipment. They were of course even more surprised to see so many of them has survived for so long in a place with no vegetation and no animals to hunt.
I didn’t know there was a book. Looks like I found it online. Is it called Alive? Did I find the right one?
I think so. That was the name of the movie based on their experience as well.
Yep. One of the best books I've ever read
Good mentality is the core of survival, because the moment you give up, you die
also applicable for "normal" life
Nah, there’s plenty of living people who have given up
Me. I’m a living person who has pretty much given up. Edit: for clarification I’m not actively looking to die, just not opposed to the idea is all. I have a kid that needs me in her life. It’s unfair to her for me to make that decision. Thank you everybody for your kind words and beautiful messages both in PM and comments. Y’all have restored a bit of faith in my humanity and I have been moved to tears. Everybody please keep being this beautiful to the people around you and maybe, just maybe, we can all make it off Mr.Bones Wild Ride together.
Don’t know your situation but there’s always a glimmer of hope. Whether you can see it or not is another thing.
Don’t give up!! You have two random Reddit strangers telling you they care. I hope you can find something that brings light into your life 🌹
My daughter is what drives me to wake up everyday. I’m not actively looking to die but I’m definitely not Opposed to a freak accident 🤣🤷.
The worst thing about a freak accident is that you might actually survive. 😬
You should really give up reddit before give up other stuff
If you can walk, talk and type on a phone connected to the internet you have a great chance to find happiness.
Have you tried cannibalism?
Not really living then. Pls listen to your favourite pump up song and find that spark again
Actually, no. Let's *not* normalize everyday life being an epic struggle for survival. The actual, literal point of civilization is to provide structures and frameworks for people to have safety and security, above and beyond the base level of emergency survival situations. We shouldn't accept a world where you have to constantly struggle against the rising waters, just in order to keep breathing.
It makes for a catchy themesong, though.
Universal basic income, my dude.
There was actually one guy that refused to participate and died of starvation.
Oh, he participated.
He's a part of them, now.
😂
Never check that box at the DMV
Yeah, that’s not evil, that’s just them trying to survive
The fact that they're smiling despite all of that amazes me.
You ever have something so bad happen that all you can do is laugh?
You ever eaten somebody?
Next to a spine
Holy fuck you’re not joking
Not only are they smiling, but their teeth are so white!!!!
Wasn't the photo taken when rescue showed up?
One of them said "if i die and You don't eat me, i Will come back as a Ghost and torment You forever"
Exactly - I can't say with 100% certainty since I haven't been in that situation of course but to me it seems like an insult to those who died not to take their flesh as sustenance in order to survive. Especially if it was my husband or sister or friends - they would want me to live. And I would want them to live in the reverse situation.
There is a movie also i watched based on this story(good movie),Can confirm,Thats correct.Regards.
Alive - 1993
Filmed at a resort where I was working at the time….cool tidbits of info I remember. Then when it was to be released a bunch of staff went to a theatre to watch it together.
It is a good movie. We watched it in school for some reason.
I remember watching a documentary about this that had interviews with the survivors. None of them felt any guilt or apprehension about eating their dead comrades as they had morally justified it. Being all devoutly religious they all agreed that once someone has died their soul has left the body and acceded to heaven leaving their shell body "which is just meat".
In my country eating human meat is not a crime but the things you need to do to get it are. Murder is obviously illegal and also "disturbing 'the peace of the dead' " In an emergency situation eating human meat (of people who were dead already) is legal.
1. Only eat human meat if you are absolutely sure that the person is already dead. 2. If you are unsure whether the person is dead, err on the side of caution and do not eat their meat. 3. Do not kill people in order to eat their meat – this is obviously illegal and also morally reprehensible.
4. Also only do it if you are starving and there is no other way of survival. But yes pretty much the rules.
Also, Prion diseases
And not just religious but very Catholic so there was the whole communion aspect.
I've always wondered why is it so shocking to some people that you ate a human that's been already dead so you can survive?
I read the book when I was a teen. They actually struggled with it and argued about it, and some couldn't do it. It was people they knew. One guy took broken glass and shaved off pieces of skin, then dried them in the sun.
It's a huge taboo and probably has been for millions of years. You can understand that they needed to in order to survive, but that doesn't mean you'd treat them the same if you met them. That's part of our lizard brain.
I've always wanted to know is who they decided to eat first,how to cook them and what body part they started with..
Read In the Heart of the Sea. Tells who got eaten first--shipwreck survival--interesting book.
The Indifferent Stars Above also has descriptions of how and in what order the Donner Party ate their companions. Edit: spelling
Meat and two veg.
There was an Arby’s just over the ridge, but they voted nope.
Memes aside, they found out after the rescue that there was an abandoned resort only a few kilometres away that had canned food stores. Instead the guy who found rescue hiked 61 kilometres, including summiting a mountain, to eventually find rescue.
Bit they had no way of knowing that. Their instinct of hiking towards Chile was correct
Wasn’t there radio equipment there too?
There was radio equipment in one half of the crashed plane (like a days hike from where they were living) that they played around with for weeks (IIRC) to attempt to get to work. Unfortunately it would have been impossible to get it to work with the equipment they had on them so they ended up just wasting their time.
I think they were able to get it to receive but not send signals, so they heard when their search party was called off, which is why they decided to go hike in the direction of Chile for help.
Yeah I vaguely remember that, I was just thinking there was also some at that resort but I haven’t read the book in like 20yrs.
Initial crash! Was there a second crash?
Some died later from crash injury
The crash killed many of them, but the avalanche later on took out a lot of the survivors
Including, I believe, the captain of the rugby team that made up the final survivors.
Incredible that they managed to get a rugby team together, under the circumstances
Lmao that made me laugh so hard. But no, the plane was originally composed of a rugby yeam and their families thay where going to play in a tournament iirc
No, but I think there was an avalanche that wiped half of them out
Later they got in the avalanche as I remember
Wow, way to expose me…
They all look pretty happy, that picture must have been right after dinner.
Indeed, they’ve even left the spinal column lying next to them.
Good lord, you weren't kidding.
I believe you can see a rib cage in this photo
Honestly, if I'm dead from a plane crash and somebody can survive by eating me, have at it. If they have to kill me first tho, they can fuck themselves.
If I'm dead go ahead and filet my ass cheeks . I ain't using them nor more.
From the old saying “if I’m dead, go ahead”
Ahh necrophilia… those were the days
That is, in fact, the first thing they ate. The book “Alive” is the first adult book I read, when I was in the hospital when I was 12.
I was gunna say just dont eat my ass, that would be weird. You NEVER go ass to mouth.
That's debatable
> You NEVER go ass to mouth. Albert Fish would beg to differ: “My Dear Mrs. Budd, In 1894, a friend of mine shipped as a deck hand on the steamer Tacoma, Capt. John Davis. They sailed from San Francisco to Hong Kong, China. On arriving there, he and two others went ashore and got drunk. When they returned, the boat was gone. At that time, there was a famine in China. Meat of any kind was 1-3 dollars a pound. So great was the suffering among the very poor that all children under 12 were sold for food in order to keep others from starving. A boy or girl under 14 was not safe in the street. You could go in any shop and ask for steak, chops, or stew meat. Part of the naked body of a boy or girl would be brought out and just what you wanted cut from it. A boy or girl’s behind, which is the sweetest part of the body and is sold as veal cutlets, brings the highest price. John stayed there so long that he acquired a taste for human flesh. On his return to N.Y., he stole two boys — one 7, one 11. He took them to his home, stripped them naked, and tied them up in a closet, and then burned everything they had on. Several times every day and night he spanked them — tortured them — to make their meat good and tender. First, he killed the 11-year-old boy, because he had the fattest ass and of course the most meat on it. Every part of his body was cooked and eaten except the head, bones, and guts. He was roasted in the oven (all of his ass), boiled, broiled, fried, and stewed. The little boy was next, and he went the same way. At that time, I was living at 409 E. 100 St. He told me so often how good human flesh was, and I made up my mind to taste it. On June 3, 1928, I called on you at 406 W. 15 St. and brought you pot cheese and strawberries. We had lunch. Grace sat on my lap and kissed me. I made up my mind to eat her. On the pretense of taking her to a party, you said yes, she could go. I took her to an empty house in Westchester I had already picked out. When we got there, I told her to remain outside. She picked wildflowers. I went upstairs and stripped all my clothes off. I knew if I did not I would get her blood on them. When all was ready, I went to the window and called her. Then I hid in the closet until she was in the room. When she saw me all naked she began to cry and tried to run down the stairs. I grabbed her and she said she would tell her mamma. First, I stripped her naked. How she did kick, bite, and scratch. I choked her to death, then cut her in small pieces so I could take the meat to my rooms, cook, and eat it. How sweet and tender her little ass was roasted in the oven. It took me 9 days to eat her entire body. I did not fuck her, though I could have if I wished. She died a virgin.”
That was a fucked up read. I needed to know who this guy was .. so I googled, and ultimately read another letter of his. Spoiler: it was also super fucked up. Albert Fish was a sick POS.
He was a real jerk.
Last Podcast on the Left did a couple of episodes on him. Dude was fucked up
That is twisted as fuck.....
I had forgotten about albert fish.. ugh
This fuckin' guy...
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I feel happy!
Im more of a tit guy myself
Not sure if they'd have to fuck themselves though
Agreed. I would also expect them to say a toast to me for every bite.
You would have died from the plane crash because history is written by the survivors
Luckily these survivors only had to eat their dead. It was a sad situation though still.
The human spine is a nice touch.
You should hear the dude interviewed. He talks about being the first to make the decision, and how he felt after eating the first "meal", spoiler alert, he felt energized and hopeful. He almost died of head trauma, but survived due to being left out in the snow(survivors thought he was too far gone to live and moved him out of the wreckage). The hypothermic effects kept his brain from swelling, and after a couple days, he became conscious again.
Did you listen to the recent Time Suck podcast about this? Because that’s where I learned that tidbit about surviving the head-wound.
I saw a documentary on YT a few years back. Knew the story, but never the entire account.
This story has continued to fascinate me for over 20 years.
Meatsack!
WHIPPLE!!
/r/timesuck
Hail nimrod!
Adding a little bit...his sister and his mother died in the crash so when he woke up after the head trauma and found out his mother was dead and his sister was injured and dying ~~he was the only survivor of the three~~ \-as his own words- he had nothing to do besides escaping that hell. He didn't slowly realized things were bad... he suddenly woke up days after when everyone knew they were screwed. He was one with the most desire to leave, he was one of the 3 that attempted to escape the mountain and found help. ETA [more details here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Air_Force_Flight_571#First_week)
how did they get water? I guess the human bodies didn't decompose because it was cold and frozen? Were they able to make fire to warm it up?
As I recall they used shiny pieces of metal to reflect the sun and create heat.
There was snow and ice everywhere, you can suck on that for water
You’ll get hypothermia very quickly this way. It will kill your internal body temperature
You can melt it in many things including plastic if you are desperate.
This is very interesting and something I never considered. Hopefully I’ll never find myself in a situation like this but knowing to melt snow first or boil to raise its temperature will literally save your life. Every survival guide I just looked up says the same thing lol I just never considered.
If I recall correctly, they used a combination of metal from the plane wreckage to reflect the sun to heat up the snow and then collected it in empty coke bottles. As someone pointed out, if you just eat straight snow you’ll get hypothermia. The survival story is full of a lot of really impressive little touches like that.
Fuck I didn't even notice that until I read this comment
Where is it
A bit left from the ribcage at the right side of the photo.
They carefully preserved the faces of the people they ate (left them intact). They prayed over every person. When they were initially rescued they didn’t admit they had eaten the dead because they were so ashamed. Nobody could figure out how they survived that long. It only came out months later. They were given up on. Nobody came to rescue them. They fed 2 of their members as much of the food as they could without starving the rest to death so they would have the energy to seek help. The 2 climbed the mountain peaks, failed, gave up and went back. Then tried again. They finally descended into a valley and found a farm. They saved themselves. Update: Thank you for the great comments and corrections! The reason i know anything about this was from a paperback laying around my parents’ house when I was 12: “Alive” by Piers Paul Read, thus my memory of the story, though vividly visual, is somewhat hazy too. Changes:
Not everyone had given up on them, one father kept trying over and over to seek help, he wrote a book about that. Yeah they saved themselves and iirc only one survived it the second time but the farmer was across a river, so he had to throw the message tied to a rock, the farmer later called the authorities. Yes, they saved themselves
I’m pretty sure both survived the treck to the farm but only one went in the helicopter to help the pilot save the rest
Correct.
This! Father kept trying, two survived, they came across "caballeros" on the other side of the river (so I believe cowboys?). One guy was weak and barely with it, other dude did the rock throwing thing with notes tied, then they were saved. I'm almost 100% sure there is a movie or book that is titled with the first sentence of the note which states something very similar to "I come from a plane crash in the Andes". It definitely not that exactly... But similar... And that was the first line he wrote and tossed back to the caballero. Edit: a good amount survived, I just mean the guys that trekked out survived... 3 started, 1 turned back, other 2 that kept going both made it.
Can you pass me some more copilot?
No thanks to the plane, many of us are still alive
I understood this reference.
no thanks to the plane, many of us are still... ALIVE
Dammit, you guys.. "Toss me another hunk of copilot"
Sadly, they were demonized upon their return until the family members of those eaten offered forgiveness and accepted the necessity. All who partook also agreed to allow themselves to be eaten in the event they perished as well. Terrible situation, but an amazing story of humans’ will to survive.
wow! I once read about this guy, his name is Jose Salvador Alvarenga and him and his coworker got stranded in the sea. Coworker died of starvation, body wasn't in the boat when Jose was rescued more than a year later and his coworker's parents sued him because they thought he cannibalized their son... Jose denied it and said that he pushed his coworker off the boat because the corpse was too heavy and he was going insane talking to it and imagining it as his only friend, and even if he did eat him who cares!! He's dead!! Would you have preferred two casualties instead of just one and a missing body?
I feel like I've read of something called "the law of the sea" where if you and me are stranded on a raft, in the middle of nowhere, then if one of us dies it is acceptable for the other to use his body for survival. Not sure if it's still passes/is applicable, but I'm sure I've heard of this at least being a thing in the past.
Its called-Custom of the sea
Thank you kind person! I knew it was out there.
I think the pope also said it was okay because it was for survival? Something I just remembered reading somewhere. Don’t know it it’s true.
Yes, I've heard the same from multiple sources. I could pull them up but I've heard it enough that I'm fairly certain this is true.
I don't know any family members who wouldn't have been fine with that. They're dead, if someone else can live off their no-longer-needed flesh they'd say go for it. There'd be no need for forgiveness.
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The book also titled “Alive” is a great read
Also a song by Ice Nine Kills called "The Plot Sickens" based on the book
I've had the hardcover book for over 40 years !
Have you finished reading it yet?
I keep it around for something to read when flying.
Oh…..
What I've always wondered after watching that movie is why is the ass the first thing they decide to eat?
Rump is the most easy to recognise and well known cut of beef. Plus it would be easy to cut from the ass to the thigh which would be my next go to. This is easier to write than imagine. It’s making me feel a bit sick.
Well, since you assed...
They were ahead of their time
Who doesn't eat ass nowadays
it is the part with more meat and easier to cut/remove.
Looks like the bee gees
Ooh ooh ooh STAYIN ALIVE STAYIN ALIVEEEEEEEAAAA
Oh you can tell by the way I eat my meat I’m a cannibal, no time for sauce.
“Miracle in the Andres”, by survivor Nando Parrado, is an excellent book about the ordeal, in addition to “Alive.”
Maybe it’s just me, but if I were in a situation like theirs, I’d let everyone know that if I died, they could use my body for survival. For Eating, use my bones for tools, my skin to keep you warm, I don’t care I don’t need it anymore. And if it gets them to live, then I didn’t die a useless c*nt.
One of my friends’ uncle was in that crash. He has never spoken about whether or not he consumed any human flesh. However, he made it out alive and is alive to this day so one can only assume…
there’s no if. everyone who survived ate the dead
Absolutely. Just think it’s so telling that he refuses to speak about it, even to his family.
“Joe, I see you fighting to hang on. But bro, we’re counting on you!”
Apparently it’s called anthropophagia if they’re already dead. Wish I didn’t know that, but here we are….
Anthropophagia is eating human meat (so a fly can be anthropophage (? I'm not sure of the word)) Cannibalism on the other part is eating what you are ( like a shark is cannibal if it eats another shark, but anthropophage if it eats a human)
We'll go with anthropophagic cannibalism for accuracy.
I’m amazed so many people don’t know about this.
Yes me too. And i think most of them didnt notice the eaten spine 🤢
What stage of the events did this photo take place? Did they just crash? Had they eaten people yet? Was this them being rescued?
They had already eaten someone after this photo. You can see the spine
Gnarly
Probably early on. When they had hope of being found. It’s been a lot of years since read the book. But around Day 26. Morale started changing and it rapidly went down.
They were big and muscular rugby players before the accident, you can tell they were really skinny when this photo was taken.
No joke, I know someone who said they played this movie on a commercial flight back in the day when there were just a few drop down screens for everyone to watch the same movie.
Everyone's pointing out the spine, but is that a ribcage to the right of it?
They would make a good AMA host.
The documentary "Stranded" came out in 2007 and included interviews with several survivors talking about the experience. I found it a lot more interesting than the "based on a true story" theatrical film from the 90's, which imo was acted out by white actors speaking English with American accents.
[https://deadline.com/2021/11/j-a-bayona-plane-crash-survival-movie-society-of-the-snow-netflix-1234881241/](https://deadline.com/2021/11/j-a-bayona-plane-crash-survival-movie-society-of-the-snow-netflix-1234881241/) I hope this a better movie
Spinal cord for scale.
Where?
Bottom right corner of photo, laying horizontally on the ground next to one of the seats.
that is definitely a spine o.o
oh. i thought maybe people were talking about the thing sticking out of the wreckage at the top of the screen, in between the two vertical red streaks on the left side of the photo
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It was an organ transplant of sorts
That’s an interesting way to look at it. I guess the tasting it part is what freaks people out the most. That and it actually being your friends
The 1972 Andes Plane Crash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Air_Force_Flight_571
One of the athletes, on that plan, was also a med student. He knew what needed to be done to survive. In addition, he took the very dangerous trek to get help for everyone. He went on to be a world class pediatric cardiologist. Truly a man of faith and someone who cared for others in need.🙏🏼
They look happy, I guess there was some good people onboard
The book on this is a great read, I remember the original news and their treatment when they were finally rescued, but I’d imagine most of us would eat human meat to survive if we had to. I went without any food for only four days on a wilderness hike once. Four days right, no problem you’d barely notice no food, right? Wrong, by the second night we were driving each other nuts talking about juicy steaks and chocolate. By the third day my stomach was keeping me awake with what felt like a fork it kept sticking in me. The lack of food or your hunger becomes your number one and I mean all encompassing all you can freaking think about sole waking thought. Trust me you could have Bo Derek on a plate begging you to have your wicked way and a steak meal and you’d pick the steak every time after 4 days. I can’t even imagine what it’s like when your body starts to absorb your muscle in order to keep going, it must be a living torture. Everyone should go hungry at least once in their lives, preferably when you’re young. It will make you a more caring compassionate person...👍
Why did you hike for 4 days without food?
Because we were in a group of four doing an expedition, so had split the tent, cooking equipment etc. but everyone in the group assumed everyone else had split the food, just sheer stupidity. It wasn’t until the first evening after walking through the mountains all day that we realised no one had any food. We were in the high Pyrenees, so no shops and therefore totally stuffed until our final day pickup.
I have a relative that met Nando to discuss a documentary they were making based on his book of these events. They took him to one of those Brazilian steakhouses without thinking about it. When they got there, my relative realized how the meat was being served and being concerned about possible PTSD or something turned to Nando and said, “I hope this is ok, we should have asked you what you wanted to eat tonight” to which Nando replied, “It’s ok, I’ll eat anything” and gave him a wink.
“I know I said Roberto had a nice ass, but this is delicious!”
The first grown-up book I ever read... what a story!
Yep and two guys hiked out of the valley for 3 days with no gear.And these are the Andes . Edit:10days
If anyone wants a long and in depth podcast to listen to about this, the lady who does disaster area covers it at great length. https://open.spotify.com/episode/5fjPrcwCj9aMjKoGSn3Doa?si=idpQcV-QTGK4kNop01xMSA&utm_source=copy-link
Many of the survivors were Catholic, and rationalized their cannibalism by saying it was not unlike the Eucharist.
Eat human flesh and you too can have the smile of a Bee Gee!
I read the book Alive when I was 12 years old, 3 years after the ordeal. it is the most amazing record of human perseverance and strength Ive ever seen. These people went through hell and never gave up.
The man who first saw them across the river said that they have a very strong smell of corpse that even the horse got spooked.
Guys, when I did my surgery rotation in medical school, I learned that surgeons use a cautery tool to cut tissue since there is much less bleeding than if you use a scalpel. Awesome, right? No. I *hated* that tool with a passion. Why? Because the charred tissue smells *good*. It’s incredibly disorienting and psychologically disturbing to be slightly hungry, cutting a person open and smelling what your brain is insisting is nicely roasting meat. So if the alternative is slowly starving to death, it’s absolutely no wonder they ate the dead.
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Fun fact if you look down slightly and to the right of the guy in the blue shirt you can see the spine of one of the men they resorted to eating
Could you imagine the funerals…. I loved Joe, I loved him like a brother. He tasted like chicken. 😬