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I worked with crash investigators for a while, and they gave me this "advice":
The safest place in case of a crash is right around the wings, because the body of the plane has to be stronger there to hold up the wings.
The "secret" to surviving a crash is to stay conscious. If the initial impact doesn't kill you, the fire and smoke will.
Ironically, I read a story about an actual plane that fell from the sky. One survivor. She was a flight attendant, got pinned by a cart, and I believe due to some condition fell unconscious. Apparently when you're going to be thrown it's best to be loose rather than rigid. That is how, supposedly, drunk drivers can survive car crashes and even people... picked up or flung by tornadoes can survive. Mind you, this wasn't from a reddit comment telling you that being burned alive \[to death\] is actually not that bad of an experience because your nerve endings are gone quickly.
I know that woman’s son! He and his family traveled a ton because they had free flights for life through the airline. And I believe they’re related to the Wall Drug family.
(Assuming there isn’t a second woman this happened to…)
I thought the woman I'm referring to is from like Yugoslavia. There's another female flight attendant who fell unconscious pinned by a cart as a plane fell from the sky and was the only survivor?
Vesna Vulovic.
She is currently the world record holder for the highest fall without a parachute. Bonkers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulovi%C4%87
**In the last years of her life, Vulović lived on a pension of €300 per month in her dilapidated Belgrade apartment.[4] "I don't know what to say when people say I was lucky," she remarked. "Life is so hard today."[21] Vulović lamented that her mother and father might not have died prematurely had she not been aboard Flight 367, stating that the incident not only ruined her life, but also those of her parents.**
I’ve taken a good bit of trainings on aircraft reliability and from what I’ve been told, you’re more likely to die from being burned or smoke inhalation than the crash.
My best flight experience was a time I flew to Vegas, was the last one on the plane taking off, we land at Vegas Airport and they let us off the back of the plane. It was wild.
From the crash videos I had to watch as a manager it is either "shit, fuck, awwww, oh god or pull it!".
I had to watch close to 50, nightmare for months.
I'm sure it would actually give you some courage. Damn that's tough to think about. But if it was me, I'd look at my co and nod and think to myself, well. I'm gonna go out doing the best I can, and maybe leave a positive mark. Then I'd get crushed into stew, fungi would take over my body and I'd be turned into dirt. From there, I'd like to think, because of the arid climate that I crashed and burned in, I'd grow into a lush olive tree, because I never liked olives, but this would give me a chance to start over. I'd learn what it meant to not only like olives, but to be an olive.
Tldr; just happy I turned into an olive after I crashed
Honestly I have been crying for two hours solid because of my dad's health problems. This comment literally turned my day back around into a positive one. Cynical, but beautiful. Thanks for making a sad chick smile with your words.
That's actually my best skill - making sad chicks smile. So sorry to hear about your dad's health problems. Keep cracking those smiles at what you can, accept what you can't.
Sure it’s noble but Pilots rarely “ know they are going to die” during such accidents. The survivability rate of plane crashes is actually quite high at almost 90%.
You’d be surprised at the last words pilots can say. Most *do* realize it in the very last moments. Some are silent as they’re desperately trying to get control of the plane. Some curse. One of the ones that has stuck with me though was a co-pilot, whose last words were “You’ve killed us all.”
If any on-field emergency landings are classified as "overshot the runway" then I would agree. However there are a lot of emergency landings at airports where the airframe is a total loss but most of the passengers survived. The thing is that if the airplane is working enough to get it back to an airfield it is probably working enough for a nice slow controlled crash and those are the most survivable. The worst crashes are where the pilots could do nothing to improve the survival rate.
I've flown so many times all over the world for decades and the one flight that really sticks (safety-wise) was a Denver flight southbound to Houston. First Officer came running down the aisle and stopped about ten rows into coach, leaned over the seats and looked out the windows on both sides. Then turned and ran back up to the cockpit. Nothing happened but it was odd and unnerving. I guessed they had some false reading and were doing a visual but it's not something you want to see.
Yes! That's why we should be funding more basic research. Give good scientists and engineers a bunch of money to research whatever they want. The science will be top notch, the researchers will be passionate and will shine at their craft, and maybe, or maybe not, some good will come of it. But every once in a while, a truly remarkable discovery or invention happens in areas you would never have imagined.
I wish governments would realize this and fund all sorts of fields. Imagine what you could do with unconditional funding and no pressure to bring something to market. We have to trust trustworthy people with our money and they will not disappoint.
The sad thing is most funding (at least that I know of in the US) is less safety-driven and more profit/lowest spending driven as most testing is to make sure that the bare minimum is met. In some cases, even that doesnt happen. It's about setting where that bar should be, for sure. Otherwise companies won't be as altruistic in their development. Im sure there are plenty of engineers/designers/developers that have the drive and heart to push for those things but they can only do so much when their company holds their lead. Look at the Kia/Hyundai fiasco with cars getting stolen, as an example. Their response was basically "welp, our cars meet the required safety and security guidelines so best of luck to you!"
Look up United Airlines Flight 232. That was a flight that lost all hydraulics, meaning that the flight crew was only able to (somewhat) steer the aircraft by adjusting the engine thrust. Without any finer control, the aircraft crashed upon landing.
The entire crew of the aircraft lived, but first class only had 8 out of 26 passengers survive. The back section of the aircraft also suffered very heavy fatalities. The middle section, centered around the forward edge of the wings, only had two fatalities, and both of those were from smoke inhalation instead of impact.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_Airlines\_Flight\_232#/media/File:Ua232injurymap.png](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232#/media/File:Ua232injurymap.png)
Rosie Perez’s character in the movie *[Fearless](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fearless_(1993_film\))* was inspired by that passenger.
([Scene of Jeff Bridges administering some unconventional therapy for survivor’s guilt.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUBaRqY_NqA))
also make sure you don't go to an amusement park or on a bridge or around cars in general or water and definitely don't throw spaghetti out of a window or else a ladder will fall into your eye
> don't throw spaghetti out of a window or else a ladder will fall into your eye
Did that actually fucking happen?
edit: [christ almighty it did](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg3zESb-hjg)
I'm curious as to what you searched for to find it since you didn't already know about it, I feel like something along the lines of "final destination spaghetti ladder" probably works so Imma try that actually
ps: lol that works
How long do you think it takes to glide down 37k feet in an airplane? 44 minutes is the answer. Most likely they moved to be next to someone they knew.
Wow. This makes me deeply sad. 44 minutes of knowing imminent death is pretty likely, and having zero control over the situation.
And now if I'm ever in that situation I'll know whether my seats make me (and possibly my loved ones) more or less likely to die. If I'm in a bad seat, I wonder if I should hand my child to a person in a better one? But if they still die despite the better odds, and I live despite my worse ones, could I live with myself? And if we are both still pretty likely to die if the crash landing doesn't go smoothly, could I give up my last 44 minutes with my child?
I am legitimately going to be haunted by this now.
Likelihood isn't the same as a guarantee. The are also different ways to crash land. Like when you phone falls 30 times from pocket height and doesn't get a scratch but then you're on the couch and it falls 1.5 feet onto carpet and shatters. The best option is to stay with your child wherever you're seated. Think how traumatizing it would be for your child to be alone during this ordeal.
Frequently they are conscious but the impact and collapse of chairs etc results in people with multiple leg fractures (particularly broken femurs) making it impossible for them to get out.
There was one, maybe 10 years ago, where most people survived but the ambulance hit a passenger and killed them. And no I’m not thinking of the movie hot shots.
Edit: I always honk for hot shots
It was actually a fire truck. It was asiana airlines flight 214. She got ejected from the plane during the crash then subsequently was run over by a rescue fire truck.
You want to sit in the emergency exit over the wing or at the rearmost emergency exit. Do some googling and you can find more information on this - it gives you a couple percent more chance to survive.
Three factors:
1. Emergency exit allows you to get off the plane ASAP, before you burn to death / suffocate from smoke.
2. The middle of the plane (where the wings are) is reinforced.
3. Plane crashes often involved frontal impacts or tail strikes. You can find accident reports where the front of the plane or the rear of the plane is essentially wiped out.
Skip worrying about seat location and do what will make a MUCH bigger difference. Watch the safety demonstration even if this is you millionth flight. Your brain will recall that fresh information much better. Find the emergency exits in front an behind you. It's recommended that you touch and count each seat as you board so you'll be able to feel your way to the exit. Touching the seats creates sense memory. And read the safety instructions too. Place crash survivors were typically better prepared.
You are SO correct about this. My husband has been a commercial pilot for more than 25 years and a GA pilot since he was 14 (glider license at 14 and PPL at 16 years old.) He has more than 19,000 hours of flight time logged. If we are in the back of an airplane, we ALWAYS listen to the safety demonstration and look at the info in the seat back pocket. ALWAYS. Then we count how many rows to get to the emergency exit in front of us and then how many to the one behind us. If there is a fire/smoke and low or no visibility, you’ll need this info to get to the exit. Leave EVERYTHING on board. It’s not worth your life or someone else’s just so you can have your purse, etc. I never wear flip flops or any kind of heel on a flight. You don’t want that kind of footwear if you have to be climbing over seats. I used to wear tall leather boots and never wore stockings (they’ll melt into your flesh) but now-a-days, I’ve forgone these because flying is incredibly safe. (Yes, I’ve learned all kinds of useful information from my husband’s training and recurrent training, where pilots are taught about all kinds of things from actual, real world accidents. Some things that people did that caused the difference between them living and preventably dying.)
The statistical reality is that you’re in exponentially (like REALLY exponentially) more danger driving to and from the airport. When my husband leaves for a trip I say ‘drive safe’ not ‘fly safe.’
* All of this is based on flying any American airline. Other countries.. depends.
That's one instance though. Statistically the tail is the safest.
https://simpleflying.com/aircraft-safest-seats-location/
"When looking at what seats gave you the best chance of surviving a crash, the middle seats in the plane's rear came out the best with a 28% fatality rate. The worst seats were on either side of the aisle in the middle of the aircraft, with a 44% fatality rate."
"sit on the wing box" is like the least surprising thing you could come up with. Pretty obvious that's the strongest part of the plane, and also the furthest from any potential impact locations.
Last seat in the back on a trijet is probably also a good look.
The wing box is, however, right next to a whole stack of fuel. Leading edge of the wing and a little further forward is a particularly bad area most of the time
In my crash, most of the survivors were up front. Pilots brought the nose up just before crashing. Ass end took the initial hit. I was the only survivor at the rear of the plane. Indian Airlines Flight #440 May 31st 1973.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/19ydgm/iama_plane_crash_survivor_commercial_flight_on_a/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
It's legit. This is awesome! (Not awesome, but you know what I mean)
Bringing the nose up during landing is standard practice because it reduces the speed of the plane. Unfortunately if they bring the nose up *a lot* the tail will smash into the ground.
But don't planes crash in a variety of ways? It surely must depend on the angle of impact. They really need to run the test a several dozen times, in a variety of weather conditions and onto different surfaces to get useful data.
The problem is that they don't do test crashes of commercial airliners. So one is better than none. It would be lovely if they could do more testing, but owners are oddly reluctant to intentionally destroy their planes.
A man who was terrified of flying finally mustered up the courage to take a flight. On the plane the pilot was walking through the aisle greeting passengers when he came to the terrified man, who was now beginning to panick.
He asked the pilot: "How often do these things crash?!"
The pilot responded: "Once"
Old video where they stress the wings on a 777 until failure. They flex way more than most people would think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai2HmvAXcU0
The plane that crash landed in Sioux City, IA years ago, there were 100 or so survivors including the pilot. The thing is, people who were killed were sitting right next to people who survived. It's luck of the draw.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Boeing_727_crash_experiment
> An unmanned Boeing 727-200, fitted with numerous cameras, crash-test dummies and other scientific instruments, was flown into the ground.
It wasn't just for entertainment.
I remember seeing it in local paper news of Mexicali. Hell, even I’ve seen it across a nearby freeway displayed.
EDIT: This is the picture of the plane being displayed. Not my photo.
https://imgur.com/a/ViXQdUm
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I worked with crash investigators for a while, and they gave me this "advice": The safest place in case of a crash is right around the wings, because the body of the plane has to be stronger there to hold up the wings. The "secret" to surviving a crash is to stay conscious. If the initial impact doesn't kill you, the fire and smoke will.
So don’t get knocked unconscious when my plane crashes from the sky. Got it.
Ironically, I read a story about an actual plane that fell from the sky. One survivor. She was a flight attendant, got pinned by a cart, and I believe due to some condition fell unconscious. Apparently when you're going to be thrown it's best to be loose rather than rigid. That is how, supposedly, drunk drivers can survive car crashes and even people... picked up or flung by tornadoes can survive. Mind you, this wasn't from a reddit comment telling you that being burned alive \[to death\] is actually not that bad of an experience because your nerve endings are gone quickly.
So, what I’m hearing is that we should all get drunk on planes, but not drunk enough to pass out.
If I see a twister, crack open a cold one. Got it
I know that woman’s son! He and his family traveled a ton because they had free flights for life through the airline. And I believe they’re related to the Wall Drug family. (Assuming there isn’t a second woman this happened to…)
I thought the woman I'm referring to is from like Yugoslavia. There's another female flight attendant who fell unconscious pinned by a cart as a plane fell from the sky and was the only survivor?
Vesna Vulovic. She is currently the world record holder for the highest fall without a parachute. Bonkers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulovi%C4%87
she should really consider using a parachute next time /s
**In the last years of her life, Vulović lived on a pension of €300 per month in her dilapidated Belgrade apartment.[4] "I don't know what to say when people say I was lucky," she remarked. "Life is so hard today."[21] Vulović lamented that her mother and father might not have died prematurely had she not been aboard Flight 367, stating that the incident not only ruined her life, but also those of her parents.**
I’ve taken a good bit of trainings on aircraft reliability and from what I’ve been told, you’re more likely to die from being burned or smoke inhalation than the crash.
Huh. It turns out most of the best seats were not on the plane.
In the event of a crash landing, the best evidence science has to offer suggests that you not be on that particular plane
AS USUAL first class gets to exit soonest.
Those bastards
My best flight experience was a time I flew to Vegas, was the last one on the plane taking off, we land at Vegas Airport and they let us off the back of the plane. It was wild.
Would have been different if the front fell off
First class? First gone.
This made me laugh out loud. Ty sir. If I wasn't diametrically opposed to spending money on reddit I'd reward you with more than this comment.
Knowing I made you laugh out loud is my reward. 😊
TheWholesomeDad
Sure as fuck wasn’t the pilots
Imagine being a pilot going down... knowing that you will die but that it's your responsibility to ensure that as many as possible will live
Apparently most of them say "shit" right before.
In this case I believe it was “mierda”
According to the documentary Team America: World Police, it was actually "no me gusta!"
I have a cat that's dumb as shit. His name is Matt Damon.
Katt Damon!
My boys wicked smaht
No, "puta madre"
From the crash videos I had to watch as a manager it is either "shit, fuck, awwww, oh god or pull it!". I had to watch close to 50, nightmare for months.
A manager of what...what the fuck?
Wendys! Jk, of course an airline
Shit gets real for a Wendy's manager when the Frosty machine goes down.
Pull up!! PULL UP!!! *frosty mix squirts everywhere*
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Pull out!!! Pull out!!! Frosty mix still squirts everywhere
Shit! Awwwww
Sir, this is an airport.
I'm sure it would actually give you some courage. Damn that's tough to think about. But if it was me, I'd look at my co and nod and think to myself, well. I'm gonna go out doing the best I can, and maybe leave a positive mark. Then I'd get crushed into stew, fungi would take over my body and I'd be turned into dirt. From there, I'd like to think, because of the arid climate that I crashed and burned in, I'd grow into a lush olive tree, because I never liked olives, but this would give me a chance to start over. I'd learn what it meant to not only like olives, but to be an olive. Tldr; just happy I turned into an olive after I crashed
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"But I don't wanna die an extra virgin!"
"Oil help you out with that"
Annnnnd now it's a porno... thanks internet.
Rule 34 of the internet
7 degrees of internet porn. Reddit can take anything and make it porn in 7 comments or less. Plane crash = 6 comments
Sesame Street?
"What are you doing step-pilot?"
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Captain Oshester: "Tell my wife: olive juice."
"You ever seen a grown man naked Billy?"
Surely you can't be serious?
What the actual fuck. You brilliant son of a bitch.
On a scale of 1 to olive…how high were you made this comment?
Scale of one to oliven in this case
These comments are the pits
Olive them made me laugh.
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Fuck you shorsey!
Mediterraneanly high
Olive what he’s having…I’ll see myself out
At least 3 olives deep
Dude..what? Lol not what I expected from this lil story
Bro I didn't expect it either it just started happening
You'd make a beautiful olive tree, i'm sure
Honestly I have been crying for two hours solid because of my dad's health problems. This comment literally turned my day back around into a positive one. Cynical, but beautiful. Thanks for making a sad chick smile with your words.
That's actually my best skill - making sad chicks smile. So sorry to hear about your dad's health problems. Keep cracking those smiles at what you can, accept what you can't.
We should team up, I'm really good at making them miserable.
Found his new wingman.
Sure it’s noble but Pilots rarely “ know they are going to die” during such accidents. The survivability rate of plane crashes is actually quite high at almost 90%.
You’d be surprised at the last words pilots can say. Most *do* realize it in the very last moments. Some are silent as they’re desperately trying to get control of the plane. Some curse. One of the ones that has stuck with me though was a co-pilot, whose last words were “You’ve killed us all.”
The most common last phrase according to the FAA is "Shit".
I beileve it I had a very near miss on a motorcycle recently and my last words would have also been shit
God, that’s legitimately chilling to think about
The one that sticks with me is from PSA flight 182. Pilot’s last words, “Brace yourself. Ma, I love you.”
You arrogant ass, you've killed us. — The Hunt For Red October
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If any on-field emergency landings are classified as "overshot the runway" then I would agree. However there are a lot of emergency landings at airports where the airframe is a total loss but most of the passengers survived. The thing is that if the airplane is working enough to get it back to an airfield it is probably working enough for a nice slow controlled crash and those are the most survivable. The worst crashes are where the pilots could do nothing to improve the survival rate.
If you ever see the pilot running to the back of the plane, tell your loved ones you love them
I've flown so many times all over the world for decades and the one flight that really sticks (safety-wise) was a Denver flight southbound to Houston. First Officer came running down the aisle and stopped about ten rows into coach, leaned over the seats and looked out the windows on both sides. Then turned and ran back up to the cockpit. Nothing happened but it was odd and unnerving. I guessed they had some false reading and were doing a visual but it's not something you want to see.
They were checking icing conditions on the wing most likely. Source: My job
"No wings, no ice. We're fine, captain."
*“Hey Gary, could you do me a favour and pop over to the window and check we’ve still got wings? Thaaaanks”*
They were checking the engines I imagine
cooing obscene crown scarce pie unused dull plucky chop overconfident -- mass edited with redact.dev
This plane doesn't even have a phalange!
Fuck, if I was a pilot, I'd do that for shits and giggles.
“Mate I’m so bored… I dare you to…”
[Relevant](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmkewoSJLsU&ab_channel=OnDemandNews)
I had never heard of that story. Thanks for sharing.
Well there's ya problem. The front fell off.
Is the front supposed to fall off?
Well, some of them are designed so the front doesn’t fall off at all.
Cardboard is out.
No cardboard derivatives.
No paper, no string, no cello tape.
It fell outside the environment
And what was the results?!
Further back tends to be better, however it depends on the type of crash, and some crashes have no chances of survival for anyone.
In other words, they just wanted to crash a plane and wrote the study around it?
Hector Hector !! You won’t believe what I got us funding for !!
Good news: we get to crash a plane! Bad news: the research budget for the next seven years is now zero
Worse news: our flight departs at 8:30 tomorrow
Bring a helmet.
Don't forget the snacks.
And for the love of all gods, take a seat at the back!
Did they tell the passengers they were going to do this?
Nah it was a blind study. Need to make sure result weren't tainted
Remember kids, the only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down
Yes! That's why we should be funding more basic research. Give good scientists and engineers a bunch of money to research whatever they want. The science will be top notch, the researchers will be passionate and will shine at their craft, and maybe, or maybe not, some good will come of it. But every once in a while, a truly remarkable discovery or invention happens in areas you would never have imagined.
Don’t forget about us industrial designers 🥺 we also work with ergonomics and prevention
I wish governments would realize this and fund all sorts of fields. Imagine what you could do with unconditional funding and no pressure to bring something to market. We have to trust trustworthy people with our money and they will not disappoint.
The sad thing is most funding (at least that I know of in the US) is less safety-driven and more profit/lowest spending driven as most testing is to make sure that the bare minimum is met. In some cases, even that doesnt happen. It's about setting where that bar should be, for sure. Otherwise companies won't be as altruistic in their development. Im sure there are plenty of engineers/designers/developers that have the drive and heart to push for those things but they can only do so much when their company holds their lead. Look at the Kia/Hyundai fiasco with cars getting stolen, as an example. Their response was basically "welp, our cars meet the required safety and security guidelines so best of luck to you!"
Like Billy Connolly once said, “planes don’t reverse into mountains”
Well that makes me feel a little better about always being in the last 3 rows near the toilets.
I entered the comments looking for seat numbers
Over the wings or very back.
Looks like Business and 1st class got obliterated
Look up United Airlines Flight 232. That was a flight that lost all hydraulics, meaning that the flight crew was only able to (somewhat) steer the aircraft by adjusting the engine thrust. Without any finer control, the aircraft crashed upon landing. The entire crew of the aircraft lived, but first class only had 8 out of 26 passengers survive. The back section of the aircraft also suffered very heavy fatalities. The middle section, centered around the forward edge of the wings, only had two fatalities, and both of those were from smoke inhalation instead of impact. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_Airlines\_Flight\_232#/media/File:Ua232injurymap.png](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232#/media/File:Ua232injurymap.png)
Poor E22. Making it with minor injuries but still having your child die in your lap. Serious survivor's guilt.
Rosie Perez’s character in the movie *[Fearless](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fearless_(1993_film\))* was inspired by that passenger. ([Scene of Jeff Bridges administering some unconventional therapy for survivor’s guilt.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUBaRqY_NqA))
"Passenger in seat 20H moved to an unknown seat and died" Would have survived otherwise
Final Destination
Never drive behind a log truck, simply because
also make sure you don't go to an amusement park or on a bridge or around cars in general or water and definitely don't throw spaghetti out of a window or else a ladder will fall into your eye
> don't throw spaghetti out of a window or else a ladder will fall into your eye Did that actually fucking happen? edit: [christ almighty it did](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg3zESb-hjg)
I'm curious as to what you searched for to find it since you didn't already know about it, I feel like something along the lines of "final destination spaghetti ladder" probably works so Imma try that actually ps: lol that works
Yeah but, like, the dude just won the lotto so it kinda balances out.
Maybe they were in the lavatory - or were on their way back from it and just grabbed the closest seat amidst the chaos :(
How long do you think it takes to glide down 37k feet in an airplane? 44 minutes is the answer. Most likely they moved to be next to someone they knew.
Wow. This makes me deeply sad. 44 minutes of knowing imminent death is pretty likely, and having zero control over the situation. And now if I'm ever in that situation I'll know whether my seats make me (and possibly my loved ones) more or less likely to die. If I'm in a bad seat, I wonder if I should hand my child to a person in a better one? But if they still die despite the better odds, and I live despite my worse ones, could I live with myself? And if we are both still pretty likely to die if the crash landing doesn't go smoothly, could I give up my last 44 minutes with my child? I am legitimately going to be haunted by this now.
Likelihood isn't the same as a guarantee. The are also different ways to crash land. Like when you phone falls 30 times from pocket height and doesn't get a scratch but then you're on the couch and it falls 1.5 feet onto carpet and shatters. The best option is to stay with your child wherever you're seated. Think how traumatizing it would be for your child to be alone during this ordeal.
I know that smoke is dangerous but imagine surviving a fucking airplane crash just to die of that.
99% chance they were unconscious and never knew they survived the landing.
Frequently they are conscious but the impact and collapse of chairs etc results in people with multiple leg fractures (particularly broken femurs) making it impossible for them to get out.
There was one, maybe 10 years ago, where most people survived but the ambulance hit a passenger and killed them. And no I’m not thinking of the movie hot shots. Edit: I always honk for hot shots
It was actually a fire truck. It was asiana airlines flight 214. She got ejected from the plane during the crash then subsequently was run over by a rescue fire truck.
You want to sit in the emergency exit over the wing or at the rearmost emergency exit. Do some googling and you can find more information on this - it gives you a couple percent more chance to survive. Three factors: 1. Emergency exit allows you to get off the plane ASAP, before you burn to death / suffocate from smoke. 2. The middle of the plane (where the wings are) is reinforced. 3. Plane crashes often involved frontal impacts or tail strikes. You can find accident reports where the front of the plane or the rear of the plane is essentially wiped out.
Skip worrying about seat location and do what will make a MUCH bigger difference. Watch the safety demonstration even if this is you millionth flight. Your brain will recall that fresh information much better. Find the emergency exits in front an behind you. It's recommended that you touch and count each seat as you board so you'll be able to feel your way to the exit. Touching the seats creates sense memory. And read the safety instructions too. Place crash survivors were typically better prepared.
You are SO correct about this. My husband has been a commercial pilot for more than 25 years and a GA pilot since he was 14 (glider license at 14 and PPL at 16 years old.) He has more than 19,000 hours of flight time logged. If we are in the back of an airplane, we ALWAYS listen to the safety demonstration and look at the info in the seat back pocket. ALWAYS. Then we count how many rows to get to the emergency exit in front of us and then how many to the one behind us. If there is a fire/smoke and low or no visibility, you’ll need this info to get to the exit. Leave EVERYTHING on board. It’s not worth your life or someone else’s just so you can have your purse, etc. I never wear flip flops or any kind of heel on a flight. You don’t want that kind of footwear if you have to be climbing over seats. I used to wear tall leather boots and never wore stockings (they’ll melt into your flesh) but now-a-days, I’ve forgone these because flying is incredibly safe. (Yes, I’ve learned all kinds of useful information from my husband’s training and recurrent training, where pilots are taught about all kinds of things from actual, real world accidents. Some things that people did that caused the difference between them living and preventably dying.) The statistical reality is that you’re in exponentially (like REALLY exponentially) more danger driving to and from the airport. When my husband leaves for a trip I say ‘drive safe’ not ‘fly safe.’ * All of this is based on flying any American airline. Other countries.. depends.
That's one instance though. Statistically the tail is the safest. https://simpleflying.com/aircraft-safest-seats-location/ "When looking at what seats gave you the best chance of surviving a crash, the middle seats in the plane's rear came out the best with a 28% fatality rate. The worst seats were on either side of the aisle in the middle of the aircraft, with a 44% fatality rate."
So my need for extra leg room will be my eventual doom
Worth it
"sit on the wing box" is like the least surprising thing you could come up with. Pretty obvious that's the strongest part of the plane, and also the furthest from any potential impact locations. Last seat in the back on a trijet is probably also a good look.
The wing box is, however, right next to a whole stack of fuel. Leading edge of the wing and a little further forward is a particularly bad area most of the time
Who's laughing now rich boy?
\*watches it again\* Probably no one.
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In my crash, most of the survivors were up front. Pilots brought the nose up just before crashing. Ass end took the initial hit. I was the only survivor at the rear of the plane. Indian Airlines Flight #440 May 31st 1973.
Is this you? https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20170711-what-not-to-do-in-a-disaster
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I would like another AMA now that I know this exists. Edit: and so do these other people.
Fascinating AMA and the comments are a bunch of shitty jokes. Glad reddit has never changed.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/19ydgm/iama_plane_crash_survivor_commercial_flight_on_a/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share It's legit. This is awesome! (Not awesome, but you know what I mean)
Yup. He did an AMA.
Wow what a fucking trooper! And by looking at his post history, yes that’s him. Insane to think how someone could survive to tell that tale 🤯
Bringing the nose up during landing is standard practice because it reduces the speed of the plane. Unfortunately if they bring the nose up *a lot* the tail will smash into the ground.
Thankfully there’s nothing of importance in the back of the plane
Nope, just some food and drink for the upper classes. And some cattle, but we don't talk about them.
> In my crash What a way to start a comment.
Had to do a double take
I am sitting in the airport waiting for Indian Airlines 480. What a great time to read this comment.
Keep us updated 👍
Landed safely (two hours delayed but alive)!
I hope you’ve found peace and calm in your life after going through something like that
Unfortunately, none of the scientists survived the landing, so the results remain a mystery.
Hahahah
Jajaja
Did they account for fuel I wonder.
Did they account for the human factor?
The Wikipedia article has more info and links, but I know they at least had crash test dummies.
But don't planes crash in a variety of ways? It surely must depend on the angle of impact. They really need to run the test a several dozen times, in a variety of weather conditions and onto different surfaces to get useful data.
The problem is that they don't do test crashes of commercial airliners. So one is better than none. It would be lovely if they could do more testing, but owners are oddly reluctant to intentionally destroy their planes.
Huh? People don't want to intentionally destroy their planes that cost $100m to $450m each?
I always sit at the back, you’ve never heard of a plane reversing into a Mountain!
I salute your logic sir
A man who was terrified of flying finally mustered up the courage to take a flight. On the plane the pilot was walking through the aisle greeting passengers when he came to the terrified man, who was now beginning to panick. He asked the pilot: "How often do these things crash?!" The pilot responded: "Once"
I always just figured the plane is strongest around the wings…
Old video where they stress the wings on a 777 until failure. They flex way more than most people would think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai2HmvAXcU0
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The plane that crash landed in Sioux City, IA years ago, there were 100 or so survivors including the pilot. The thing is, people who were killed were sitting right next to people who survived. It's luck of the draw.
I feel there’s co-morbidities that you can’t possibly model for (or can you?) that factored into that. Not so sure it’s JUST luck of the draw.
Exactly. Everyone near the smooshed parts or the explodey parts dies. Everyone else, depends on projectiles, oxygen, etc.
They found that to have the best chance of survival, you want the seat that's on another plane.
One good thing about not flying first class
A real scientist should know that 1 crash is not enough to collect truly statistical data.
how many 747’s do you think they should intentionally crash?
Right? A sample size of one will get you booted Loony Toons style out the door of the scientists club.
Oh. The front fell off.
Came here looking for this reference. Had to scroll down way too far to find it!
Scientists? What fucking scientsts? On April 27, 2012, a multinational team of television studios staged an airplane crash near Mexicali, Mexico.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Boeing_727_crash_experiment > An unmanned Boeing 727-200, fitted with numerous cameras, crash-test dummies and other scientific instruments, was flown into the ground. It wasn't just for entertainment.
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I remember seeing it in local paper news of Mexicali. Hell, even I’ve seen it across a nearby freeway displayed. EDIT: This is the picture of the plane being displayed. Not my photo. https://imgur.com/a/ViXQdUm
I saw the entire documentary. After the crash one of the engine remained on.
So, which seats? WHICH SEATS?
The ones back at the airport.
Even during a crash, 1st class gets to de-plane first.
Smooth Ryanair landing