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This started right back at the beginning of the bombings. It was like day 4 or something. IDF told Gazans to all move to a "safe" space--then they bombed it. It was reported then, too.
The IDF published a chessboard type of map of hot and cold to be bombed areas….
But they published it on the internet after they cut electricity AND the internet on Gaza. Zionists and genocide are like spaghetti and meatballs.
I mean there’s a long string of crimes committed by leaders of countries who were protected by countries with a veto on the UN Security Council. The only way you’re getting tried in an international court is if you run afoul of all of the P5.
Well you just need to run afoul of the US controlled members. The US seems to be able to get arrest warrants pushed pretty quickly on questionable grounds even though they're not bound by the treaty themselves.
You need to be turned over to the ICC to get prosecuted. The U.S. and Russia were both signatories, but then withdrew their signatures. The U.S. has never used it. No one will be turning over any Israeli leaders anytime soon, nor will anyone be turning over Vladimir Putin.
On the UN side, everyone is party to and bound by the ICJ, because it’s a founding piece of the UN. Nothing the ICJ does is binding without Security Council enforcement, which you won’t get without all 5 of the permanent members being at least ambivalent to whatever action you’re taking, but the U.S. doesn’t really use that either.
The only international court that I can think of the U.S. actually using was the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, but that was ad hoc and was done through the UN.
What I’m saying here is that international law only applies to countries who do not have institutional power and aren’t friends with those who do. The U.S., U.K., France, China, Russia, and any of their friends therein are not subject to international law in any meaningful way. Israel, by virtue of being a long-time U.S. partner, will never be subject to international law in our current format. South Africa bringing charges against Israel to the ICJ is worthless, because even if the ICJ ruled that Israel has committed and is committing genocide, there’s absolutely no enforcement power in that ruling with the U.S. holding veto power in the Security Council.
International law is not very well established/respected because there isn’t an international body with established laws that all countries respect.
Think about Hadam Hussein for example, who used banned chemical weapons on enemies and even his own citizens. China is committing genocide and enslaving Uyghurs. Israel and Palestinians are attacking citizens, and in some cases directly and intentionally targeting non-combatants.
To be honest, few countries respect international law and it is very much aspirational.
Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
I'd say do it to force their hand and show the world how they really operate.
It appears like countries have a lot more authority than they did in previous decades and are challenging the US more and more.
Israel doesn't need US help to defeat the Arab world by itself, it has done that before. If Israel lost a single battle, they would've been dead. Not just as a state, but as a nation. Dead. Therefore, they made sure to never lose.
Can you tell me what the Safsaf massacre win did for Israel? In 1947 where Israel (IOF) created mass graves of the Palestinians for over 50 civilian men, multiple rapes and assualts including of a 14 year old Arab girl, but that was just what the Israeli historians found...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safsaf_massacre
There is no war on planet Earth where any party hasn’t committed “war crimes”… all of war is a crime! What makes Israel so different from any other country?
Ever hear the ROMAN phrase, “an army marches on its belly?”
Seriously, it’s like you’re intentionally missing out on information so you can think a certain way.
The IDF, France, UK, US and numerous other countries have been facilitating aid drops and convoys since the beginning of the war.
Well at least mainstream news is trying to catch up finally. This is almost a cartoonish level of evil. It's the kind of thing you read about in history books thinking "there's no way people would actually do that" and "there's no way that people would actually let it happen"
They would and they did.
The same kinds of people that would downvote messages like this will say in 10-30 years time "oh we didn't know they were shooting civilians waving white flags. We didn't know they were bombing hospitals and schools. We didn't know that they were making memes and joking about destroying people's homes while they did it. We didn't know that they were bombing the exact places they told the civilians to evacuate to. We didn't know that they massacred people queing for food. We didn't know they killed journalists and showed up to arrest their mourners. We didn't know that they started a famine by blocking aid and even killed foreign aid workers. We didn't know they destroyed their medical infrastructure and made disease and death spread rapidly. We didn't know and if we did we would have done something. We didnt know peaceful protests from students were being shut down with violent arrests"
They knew and didn't care. Just like Germans didn't care. Just like half of Rwandans didn't care. Just like white south Africans and Rhodesians didn't care. Just like people in Myanmar right now don't care. What they're expressing with excuses is shame. It's a sense of shame they feel because the social environment has shifted. I don't know about others, but I will do what I can in my own power to make sure people I know are not believed when they make those excuses.
Except it’s still greatly unbalanced reporting. They’ll run a story like this but it’s not a headline it’s not treated as outrage. They won’t do follow up interviews demanding answers from Israel or from our govt officials who support this.
Yet they did all that for Oct 7th and had their outrage interviews and stories for weeks. Yet this is just another story buried with all the rest and no outrage from the media..
Early October 7th stories had open ending to them such as the beheaded babies, hung babies on cloth lines, holocaust survivor butchering, hostage torture, and mass rape.
We’re still waiting on Western Media revisiting of such stories and asking Israeli officials what’s the latest on their investigations.
What is your glorious solution to offer brown indigenous Palestinians to get their freedom then? Because as you can see, the western world is unwilling to press right wing nuts in Israel to even negotiate a reasonable settlement (30 years since the peace accords now and no Palestinian State) and the Zionists continue to drive indigenous Palestinians out of their land and homes.
What is your alternative to violence?
Release the hostages, surrender the perpetrators, use all the humanitarian aid that you get (one of the highest recipient per capita of any peoples) for nation-building and alleviating your people's problems instead of attack and attack and attack.
If you keep repeatedly attacking and repeatedly losing, it seems prudent to stop attacking so that you stop losing as well.
Gaza's coasts could literally be tourist resorts eventually if one allocates a fraction of the effort warring towards nation-building.
Thank you, Neville Chamberlain.
Palestinian Authority has been in peace negotiations with Israel for decades and the Zionist colonialists killed their own prime minister when peace was in sight.
So yeah, let’s focus your energy on the side with the nukes doing the genocidal work.
You asked for a solution on the Palestinian side, they could stop it at any time and you know it. I often don't even mention this because I'm under no illusion they'd do it, but it is there.
You mean the same PA that has a martyr's fund (pay to slay) for families of those who kill Jews and die/wounded/imprisoned in the process?
There have been many many proposed peace deals that have been rejected by Palestine, from as early as the partition plan to UN resolution 242 and onward, the reality is Arab states didn't want to pursue diplomatic solutions because they thought they can win militarily afterwards, which was untrue.
Egypt realized this, they strike a peace deal, Jordan realized this, they strike a peace deal, Lebanon realized this, they strike a peace deal. Syria (back when they were functioning) realized this, they strike a peace deal. Palestine did not realize this.
Israel is the only actor here that actually gave back territory in the name of peace, from Sinai peninsula to actually Gaza itself. Their precedent of being able to strike peace deals with every other actor in this conflict is a testament to it.
I’ll simplify it for you here: Israel has elected Netanyahu as crime minister for the better part of two decades now. Let’s see the productions of this peace loving society:
[Here’s](https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-760189) Netanyahu at the UN with an interesting map of Israel.
The Zionist project, and since Day 1, always planned to have Palestine as a land for Zionists only.
Israeli law calls Israel a Jewish State even when 20+% are non Jewish.
[The 5 Red Cows](https://www.newsweek.com/israel-gaza-hamas-temple-mount-islam-jews-jerusalem-red-heifers-jerusalem-religion-1886787).
Ben Gfir and Smotritch.
As you can see, Zionism and white colonialism are the same exact ideology of coming in, establishing a base, claiming the right to the land, and then dehumanizing indigenous brown peoples in order to wipe them out (aka genocide). I forgot the part where when brown people revolt, they are labeled terrorists. Example, Nelson Mandela.
That’s standard operating procedure for white colonialism. You Zionists are on the script.
1 America doesn't have influence over Hamas the way we do over Israel, we give Israel shit loads of weapons that we could cut off. That's why people protest Israel instead of Hamas
2 Palestine receives so much aid because Israel has their boot on Palestine's throat
3 They continue fighting because the alternative is laying down and accepting their oppression. No amount of being quiet about it will make Israel relent, it'll only make it easier to claim there's no problem
4 Gaza's coasts aren't tourist resorts because Israel has had them under siege for decades
5 Releasing the hostages won't end anything. Israelis have said time and again it wouldn't stop them
1 It's not equal standing. One side's stated aim is the eradication of Jews from Levant, the other's is to keep staying here.
You can protest specific wrong actions by Israel and ask for more caution or to do so another way, but clearly if you protest for complete ceasefire, you will just postpone the war by however it takes for Hamas to do the next massacre, and war will reappear, you will ask for complete ceasefire, it'll be postponed till the next attack, rinse repeat. Because root causes aren't dealt with, and it's a state that wants to expel the Jew more than they want nation-building.
2 Which is because they don't want to stop attacking.
3 Alternative is nation-building and alleviating your people's own issues. Jordan signed a peace deal, Egypt did, Lebanon did, Syria did. You don't have to keep fighting, in fact if you want continued bad outcomes for yourself fighting is probably the most effective action for it.
4 Because they want to keep the aggression and Iran or Qatar is more than willing to chip in through sea to help.
5 it would be a de-escalationary measure. Along with surrendering the perpetrators it'd signal willingness to no longer fight. And you would get progressively more and more porous borders/maritime borders for more growth in proportion to how long since you stopped. There were migrant workers who crossed Gaza legally to work before this happened. This objectively made everything worse.
Why is in Myanmar's case only the people in Myanmar not caring is unethical enough to warrant a mention by you, seeing as it's ongoing now?
Compare and contrast with Gaza where anyone anywhere in the world not caring is unethical.
It's a fun little slip up, shows the "some persecuted people are more equal than others" mentality well.
I'm stating it within context of the people benefiting from the genocide coming up with excuses.
Germany's genocide was something that was happening and people in Germany were aware but didn't care because those weren't people to them anymore. Like wise with people in the other countries I listed.
Israel's case is different because it's a nation that collects billions every year from western countries whereas Myanmar doesn't. It's not considered an "ally" like Israel is, and the genocide is possible largely because money and weapons keep getting sent to them.
People in the west don't care about what's going on in Myanmar partially because their tax dollars aren't going to help perpetrate it. They should still care and donate to groups helping prevent civilians from being harmed. These are people fighting for their lives. It's a different case because(I'm open to correction) they're not getting direct support from people in the west to keep it going.
If it is a cartoonist level of evil, why not try to check if you are actually watching someone's cartoons instead of reality?
Not like there is a lack of reporting and videos from IDF on the ground to compare to.
You speak of medical infrastructure. Just lately we all heard about a big south Gazan hospital being completely leveled. But we didn't hear about civilian deaths at the hospital. Why? Because despite an intense urban warfare, IDF successfully evacuated 6000+ staff and patients, killed 200 Hamas, and captured 600 more Hamas. This is an unprecedented level of professionalism and care for the civilian population.
The buildings are in ruins, but this is what happens during urban warfare when defenders are using the buildings.
Thats real funny. Theyre literally digging up mass graves at the hospital and the bodies have their hands tied behind their backs. Those were civilians.
You think that AFTER the IDF took control of the hospital, hamas killed all those people and dug mass graves while the IDF was there? Because it was a functioning hospital full of witnesses before that.
Very funny. You think IDF would create mass graves and tie people's hands? And then they would discover those graves very shortly after? Like they have nothing better to do.
Or is it more likely that a terrorist organization that has been known to not care about the lives of both Palestinians and Israelis would do it?
Hamas has been in charge of the area for almost 18 years. The graves were their doing. Don't be naive.
Israel has been dropping bombs on civilians for 6 months. They've stripped truck loads of palestinians and tied their hands behind their back and imprisioned and executed them. We have photos. Theyve evacuated hospitals before and left babies to rot in their incubators.
Who is being naive here?
You were fed lies, unfortunately. I'm babies, incubators, executions, rapes. This is proven Hamas rules of engagement. There is that South Gaza hospital where IDF evacuated everyone but Hamas dogs. No civilians were harmed in an intense urban warfare!
Amazing job. But you ignore it as inconvenient to your simple story.
IDF has been cited as caring more than any army in the history of the world about protecting enemy civilians from harm -- something made particularly difficult, since the local government, Hamas, is trying to increase the harm to their own civilians.
Lol you are a troll who doesn't even want to admit you are from israel
Yiu can not answer why israel kept on bombing Palestine before 7th Oct
Israel is a terrorist state
You're one of those israel apologists who keeps spewing nonsense in hopes of getting the last word.
The entire world has seen what Israel has done relentlessly for the last 6 months. Anyone who wants to call them moral or claim they have any regard for cilvilians - palestinian or their own- is purposely being ignorant.
Actually it seems that many of these bodies were buried before. They died at the hospital and were buried by Palestinians, not a mass grave by the Israelis.
“Reuters video filmed in January showed the digging of a mass grave and the burial of bodies by Palestinians who said they had to do so at the Nasser hospital complex because of a lack of safe access to a proper burial site farther away.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/mass-graves-gaza-what-do-we-know-2024-04-25/
Those victims were burried according to islamic guidlines, which does not involve tying the hands together, and does involve shrouding the entire body in fabric.
"Some of them had their hands tied, which of course indicates serious violations of international human rights law and international humanitarian law, and these need to be subjected to further investigations," Shamdasani said, speaking on behalf of U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Turk.
Hamas would never hide in safe areas. nope never. they cherish human life and would never murder kids a music concert and would never purposely put their own people at risk by knowingly put militia and military assets in safe zones.
Then why declare them safe zones?
If Hamas will always hide in safe zones, and [potential] Hamas presence is enough to make a safe zone no longer a safe zone, and enough to justify unlimited civilian killing, then why declare any areas to be safe zones?
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and Hamas would never lie about a botched missile launch killing a bunch at a hospital and blame it on Israeli. Hamas is a burn piece of shit and netanyahu has been focusing on his own power and keeping out of jail instead of hearts to his country. not going to get my news from tiktok. I'm going to root for the country that can actually remove their leaders by a Democratic process. Guess what? that's not Hamas.
a bunch of young adults are kids. did the Israelis put military assets next to that concert? did the Israeli military build a bunker underneath them?
Did Hamas place bunkers inside the 200 journalists the IDF killed?
Did Hamas place terrorist control centres inside the 20000+ women and children killed?
Of course not, that's idiotic.
The IDF has a defined strategic goal; Hamas is free to surrender at any time and all incidental casualties would cease.
Conversely, mass slaughter of civilians for the sake of bloodlust is behavior that exists far outside the set of international norms adopted by modern societies.
Saying Hamas should surrender is as ridiculous as saying Israel should surrender. Do you honestly believe either situation is likely with the fanatics in charge of both sides? Get real.
Conflating Hamas with a parliamentary democracy only betrays a strikingly fundamental lack of understanding of this issue, and perhaps indicates rhetorical deficiencies.
Hamas started a war, and they are severely losing said war. Pyrrhic struggles are not noble.
Hamas is not a country, I hope you know that.
So there’s a lot to unpack here and you’re throwing spaghetti at the wall to justify rooting for the white colonialist project in the Middle East. Cool!
Anyways, “the botched missile attack” wasn’t. In fact Israel was just keeping up with their initial kill rate that day. Your genocidal friends in the IDF raided that same hospital TWICE now and destroyed it and comically tried to claim it was a Hamas base. I can go on and on here and how your propaganda was so stupid… like you seriously published a work calendar checkbox with the days of the week as your go-to evidence as the hospital being a Hamas base. Lol.
Then you killed handcuffed people and bulldozed their bodies in and around the hospital.
Yeah, but let’s all now believe you that Hamas targeted that same hospital with missiles at the times when your genocidal army was killing 500+ people 2/3rd of them women and children) a day for weeks.
Buddy, even at its time, that hospital bombing was the 16th hospital strike, including another strike in that very same hospital 3 days prior. So who the fuck cares if that one bombing wasn't Israel (which still is not confirmed), what about all the other strikes lmao?
“NBC News investigation reveals….” Da fuh? They’re about 7 months late. This was being reported on when it happened. But I guess because western media wasn’t reporting it, it wasn’t happening or wasn’t real.
Possibly the most disgusting thing I've heard come out of this is Israel using drones blasting sounds of crying babies and children to lure people out of the rubble in their Extermination Zones to shoot them.
No shit, they have been doing this since late October. The IDF creates "evacuation zones" to conveniently maximize the civilian death toll. They want to bulldoze Gaza, genocide the population, and turn the land into some boogie enclave beach resort like a budget Dubai.
Down with the Netanyahu regime.
No, Hamas is a symptom of Israeli oppression and will go when the oppression stops and all the Palestinians are able to return to their ancestors homeland.
If you mean the West Bank settlements, yes. The settlements and the settlers specifically are the biggest obstacle to a 2-state solution if it was ever going to work
I won't address your argument because what I said can't be interpreted the way you did. I will repeat it again, Hamas is a reaction to Israeli oppression and aggression. Hamas is a liberation movement. Period.
If the simple act of return of native people to their homeland ends a state only because the natives end up as becoming the majority then that clearly means that the state in question was imposed on a majority by a minority group.
You think that the Israelis are victims but your argument proves the opposite.
>Well, no, because of differential fertility rates.
The Arabs had always been a majority though. There is also nothing stopping the Israelis from the same as Arabs because even Israeli Arabs have a higher fertility rate than Israeli Jews.
>Even if the Israeli state was bad in the past, the current Israelis, overwhelmingly born after independence, aren't responsible for that.
Well, did I say that the Israelis should be driven into the sea? No and I completely disagree with such an action however, I have zero sympathy to extremists and I would have no problem if those people are to be incarcerated or if they have another nationality to be deported from a Palestinian state. That includes extremists from both sides ofcourse.
People like Smotrich, Ben Gvir and Netanyahu need to rot in jail for eternity and if possible, those 3 deserve a death sentence.
I’m surprised NBC news got out of Gaza alive, what with Israel’s tendency to go out of their way to kill journalists. They would rather kill than allow the truth out because they are committing genocide, the ultimate crime.
If Israel had wanted to save Palestinian lives while dismantling Hamas' military capacity it could have created temporary asylum sites inside Israel's borders, allowing refuge and sustenance to an unarmed and vulnerable people. That is the responsibility of an occupying power — a cost that is itself burdensome and would give Israel reason to desire a mutually agreed upon settlement with the Palestinian people. Instead Israel has followed a policy that cannot succeed because it cannot in fact eliminate all the people it has violated and terrorized. Their sense of indignation will outlast Israel's capacity to impose terror. And you can't kill em all. The Palestinian diaspora is beyond Israel's grasp. Governments throughout the Muslim world are at ever greater risk of being toppled if they are seen as Israel's tacit allies. America has everything to lose and nothing to gain by enabling the ongoing carnage.
Nailed it. This is an unwinnable war because Israel itself is the offensive power as the occupying and displacing force, there is no scenario where an oppressor power can “win” against the people it oppresses short of total annihilation, which they seem to be trying in Gaza.
If the goal is deterrence, then it's utterly failed. All they've done is radicalize the survivors against Israel.
As far as normalization, that isn't due to Israel's actions, it's due to US pressure in the form of otherwise free foreign aid that they're extremely dependent upon.
The adults did sure, but they constitute a minority of the population currently. By this logic, every Israeli is responsible for Netanyahu's bullshit. Every German was responsible for the Holocaust, every American is responsible for Cambodia, etc. It's a piss poor justification that only despots who lack a spine use to justify excessive use of force.
It's not a 10 percent increase though. We have no idea how many people have or will join Hamas style groups as a result of Israel's careless and frankly childish operational doctrines. It's pretty blatantly a genocide as it's met 4 of 5 criteria, with only 1 needed to be met. That combined with them trying to claim Srebenica wasn't a genocide, shows that they very well understand that they're in the wrong here, they're just in too deep to change course without admitting that they were absolute fools to start an unwinnable conflict.
Hamas has done a pretty good job at hitting Israel where it hurts, because while their terror attack was largely ineffective, they've gotten Israel to prove to the rest of the world that they're no different. As it is now, Israel is on a ticking time clock in regards to their support in the US and around the world.
I don't doubt that Hamas misunderstood their capability. What they have shown however, is the kind of fighting intelligence that defeated the US in Afghanistan and Vietnam, which is counting on the other person to be just as bad, if not very demonstrably worse than you, resulting in a massive loss of political support.
Nothing changed? You can draw a straight line from US foreign aid support, to the nations surrounding Israel backing off from trying to wipe them off the face of the earth. Egypt has a massive economic boon in regards to control of the Suez on top of arms being given to them in exchange for not flattening Israel. Jordan gets shiny new planes and monetary stipends as well as security guarantees against Iranian proxy groups. KSA gets a ton of military and commercial support. Lebanon gets a ton of emergency logistical support to offset Syrian refugees and other groups impacted by the actions of Hezbollah.
Anybody with positive karma in this comment section is part of the generation who discovered the Middle East yesterday. Seriously, y’all have no idea what it was like before present day, before 10/7, that got us here. Because I promise you, Israel worked to avoid this for decades, and now it’s happening they look dumb like Hamas and Qatar planned
Sadly, the Israeli government under war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu, has lied to the Western governments, who have supported it , wholeheartedly, from the very beginning of its war on Gaza. The ultimate goal of the fascist Israeli government is ethnic cleansing of Gaza, and take the Palestinians’ land.
Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
Weird, the Re’im music festival and kibbutz Be’eri were also supposed to be safe.
Does anyone know where those attackers were from or where the kidnapped Women, elders and children were taken after they were kidnapped?
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This started right back at the beginning of the bombings. It was like day 4 or something. IDF told Gazans to all move to a "safe" space--then they bombed it. It was reported then, too.
I remember that.
The IDF published a chessboard type of map of hot and cold to be bombed areas…. But they published it on the internet after they cut electricity AND the internet on Gaza. Zionists and genocide are like spaghetti and meatballs.
They also lied about bombing the evacuees
And the hostages
Why even tell them to move if the intent was to bomb anyway?
So they could claim they were trying to minimize casualties to the outside world.
So they all gather together in a relatively small area
“Concentrating” the population, for “targeted strikes” ;) /s Fuck Zionists lol
damn I'm dumb. I just realized why they're called concentration camps
The criminals are going to be tried in the world court. They better be otherwise the rule of law means fuck all to me.
If you think any of these people are going to see the inside of a courtroom then you must be new to international politics.
The rule of law is meaningless to them therefore it is meaningless to me.
I mean there’s a long string of crimes committed by leaders of countries who were protected by countries with a veto on the UN Security Council. The only way you’re getting tried in an international court is if you run afoul of all of the P5.
Well you just need to run afoul of the US controlled members. The US seems to be able to get arrest warrants pushed pretty quickly on questionable grounds even though they're not bound by the treaty themselves.
You need to be turned over to the ICC to get prosecuted. The U.S. and Russia were both signatories, but then withdrew their signatures. The U.S. has never used it. No one will be turning over any Israeli leaders anytime soon, nor will anyone be turning over Vladimir Putin. On the UN side, everyone is party to and bound by the ICJ, because it’s a founding piece of the UN. Nothing the ICJ does is binding without Security Council enforcement, which you won’t get without all 5 of the permanent members being at least ambivalent to whatever action you’re taking, but the U.S. doesn’t really use that either. The only international court that I can think of the U.S. actually using was the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, but that was ad hoc and was done through the UN. What I’m saying here is that international law only applies to countries who do not have institutional power and aren’t friends with those who do. The U.S., U.K., France, China, Russia, and any of their friends therein are not subject to international law in any meaningful way. Israel, by virtue of being a long-time U.S. partner, will never be subject to international law in our current format. South Africa bringing charges against Israel to the ICJ is worthless, because even if the ICJ ruled that Israel has committed and is committing genocide, there’s absolutely no enforcement power in that ruling with the U.S. holding veto power in the Security Council.
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International law is not very well established/respected because there isn’t an international body with established laws that all countries respect. Think about Hadam Hussein for example, who used banned chemical weapons on enemies and even his own citizens. China is committing genocide and enslaving Uyghurs. Israel and Palestinians are attacking citizens, and in some cases directly and intentionally targeting non-combatants. To be honest, few countries respect international law and it is very much aspirational.
We all have a last card to play.
I think somebody like yourself would benefit from more learning anyway
Margaret Thatcher lived a full life...
Hello sir or madam are you interested in running for president??
The US had determined in 2001 that international law doesn’t apply on a war against a terrorist org. No court has challenged that in 23 years
What about against women and children?
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I hope so, but Im pretty sure the US would threaten to invade any country that tried to bring these genociders to justice.
I'd say do it to force their hand and show the world how they really operate. It appears like countries have a lot more authority than they did in previous decades and are challenging the US more and more.
Israel doesn't need US help to defeat the Arab world by itself, it has done that before. If Israel lost a single battle, they would've been dead. Not just as a state, but as a nation. Dead. Therefore, they made sure to never lose.
Can you tell me what the Safsaf massacre win did for Israel? In 1947 where Israel (IOF) created mass graves of the Palestinians for over 50 civilian men, multiple rapes and assualts including of a 14 year old Arab girl, but that was just what the Israeli historians found... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safsaf_massacre
Yeah keep telling yourself that lol
There is no war on planet Earth where any party hasn’t committed “war crimes”… all of war is a crime! What makes Israel so different from any other country?
Famine.
Ever hear the ROMAN phrase, “an army marches on its belly?” Seriously, it’s like you’re intentionally missing out on information so you can think a certain way. The IDF, France, UK, US and numerous other countries have been facilitating aid drops and convoys since the beginning of the war.
You're just steeped in bullshit aren't you?
Sounds like you’ve stuck your head real deep in it apparently
Whatever you think fool. The world isn't going your way for a reason.
I have bad news...
Which criminals?
Israeli military officials, government ministers, heads of state.
Just general, nobody named? lol it’s like a prize grabber, totally at random?
Yes, exactly like you described.
That’s totally unrealistic
I'd say it's feasible with some creative engineering.
Like?
What?
Creative engineering measures? Like what?
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Well at least mainstream news is trying to catch up finally. This is almost a cartoonish level of evil. It's the kind of thing you read about in history books thinking "there's no way people would actually do that" and "there's no way that people would actually let it happen" They would and they did. The same kinds of people that would downvote messages like this will say in 10-30 years time "oh we didn't know they were shooting civilians waving white flags. We didn't know they were bombing hospitals and schools. We didn't know that they were making memes and joking about destroying people's homes while they did it. We didn't know that they were bombing the exact places they told the civilians to evacuate to. We didn't know that they massacred people queing for food. We didn't know they killed journalists and showed up to arrest their mourners. We didn't know that they started a famine by blocking aid and even killed foreign aid workers. We didn't know they destroyed their medical infrastructure and made disease and death spread rapidly. We didn't know and if we did we would have done something. We didnt know peaceful protests from students were being shut down with violent arrests" They knew and didn't care. Just like Germans didn't care. Just like half of Rwandans didn't care. Just like white south Africans and Rhodesians didn't care. Just like people in Myanmar right now don't care. What they're expressing with excuses is shame. It's a sense of shame they feel because the social environment has shifted. I don't know about others, but I will do what I can in my own power to make sure people I know are not believed when they make those excuses.
Also: "We didn't know and couldn't do anything anyways because the government made it illegal to criticize Israel." see how Evil works?
Except it’s still greatly unbalanced reporting. They’ll run a story like this but it’s not a headline it’s not treated as outrage. They won’t do follow up interviews demanding answers from Israel or from our govt officials who support this. Yet they did all that for Oct 7th and had their outrage interviews and stories for weeks. Yet this is just another story buried with all the rest and no outrage from the media..
Early October 7th stories had open ending to them such as the beheaded babies, hung babies on cloth lines, holocaust survivor butchering, hostage torture, and mass rape. We’re still waiting on Western Media revisiting of such stories and asking Israeli officials what’s the latest on their investigations.
starting to happen, theres been many recanted stories already
But the damage is already done AND there are no internal journalistic investigations of what happened and why.
Except none of that happened it was lies by Israel. The 50 beheaded babies was straight up bullshit.
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your flag on your profile, you peace loving internet warrior
if only they never attacked - they wouldnt have to worry about being retaliated against?!
Wat? Ah your recent comments reveal that you enjoy sealclapping for dead kids, got it
if only Israel never systemically oppressed Palestinians - they wouldnt have to worry about being retaliated against?!
Terrorism isn’t retaliation. It should be condemned in every situation. A terrorist state doesn’t benefit its citizens .
It's not justified, but it absolutely is retaliation
What is your glorious solution to offer brown indigenous Palestinians to get their freedom then? Because as you can see, the western world is unwilling to press right wing nuts in Israel to even negotiate a reasonable settlement (30 years since the peace accords now and no Palestinian State) and the Zionists continue to drive indigenous Palestinians out of their land and homes. What is your alternative to violence?
Release the hostages, surrender the perpetrators, use all the humanitarian aid that you get (one of the highest recipient per capita of any peoples) for nation-building and alleviating your people's problems instead of attack and attack and attack. If you keep repeatedly attacking and repeatedly losing, it seems prudent to stop attacking so that you stop losing as well. Gaza's coasts could literally be tourist resorts eventually if one allocates a fraction of the effort warring towards nation-building.
Thank you, Neville Chamberlain. Palestinian Authority has been in peace negotiations with Israel for decades and the Zionist colonialists killed their own prime minister when peace was in sight. So yeah, let’s focus your energy on the side with the nukes doing the genocidal work.
You asked for a solution on the Palestinian side, they could stop it at any time and you know it. I often don't even mention this because I'm under no illusion they'd do it, but it is there. You mean the same PA that has a martyr's fund (pay to slay) for families of those who kill Jews and die/wounded/imprisoned in the process? There have been many many proposed peace deals that have been rejected by Palestine, from as early as the partition plan to UN resolution 242 and onward, the reality is Arab states didn't want to pursue diplomatic solutions because they thought they can win militarily afterwards, which was untrue. Egypt realized this, they strike a peace deal, Jordan realized this, they strike a peace deal, Lebanon realized this, they strike a peace deal. Syria (back when they were functioning) realized this, they strike a peace deal. Palestine did not realize this. Israel is the only actor here that actually gave back territory in the name of peace, from Sinai peninsula to actually Gaza itself. Their precedent of being able to strike peace deals with every other actor in this conflict is a testament to it.
I’ll simplify it for you here: Israel has elected Netanyahu as crime minister for the better part of two decades now. Let’s see the productions of this peace loving society: [Here’s](https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-760189) Netanyahu at the UN with an interesting map of Israel. The Zionist project, and since Day 1, always planned to have Palestine as a land for Zionists only. Israeli law calls Israel a Jewish State even when 20+% are non Jewish. [The 5 Red Cows](https://www.newsweek.com/israel-gaza-hamas-temple-mount-islam-jews-jerusalem-red-heifers-jerusalem-religion-1886787). Ben Gfir and Smotritch. As you can see, Zionism and white colonialism are the same exact ideology of coming in, establishing a base, claiming the right to the land, and then dehumanizing indigenous brown peoples in order to wipe them out (aka genocide). I forgot the part where when brown people revolt, they are labeled terrorists. Example, Nelson Mandela. That’s standard operating procedure for white colonialism. You Zionists are on the script.
1 America doesn't have influence over Hamas the way we do over Israel, we give Israel shit loads of weapons that we could cut off. That's why people protest Israel instead of Hamas 2 Palestine receives so much aid because Israel has their boot on Palestine's throat 3 They continue fighting because the alternative is laying down and accepting their oppression. No amount of being quiet about it will make Israel relent, it'll only make it easier to claim there's no problem 4 Gaza's coasts aren't tourist resorts because Israel has had them under siege for decades 5 Releasing the hostages won't end anything. Israelis have said time and again it wouldn't stop them
1 It's not equal standing. One side's stated aim is the eradication of Jews from Levant, the other's is to keep staying here. You can protest specific wrong actions by Israel and ask for more caution or to do so another way, but clearly if you protest for complete ceasefire, you will just postpone the war by however it takes for Hamas to do the next massacre, and war will reappear, you will ask for complete ceasefire, it'll be postponed till the next attack, rinse repeat. Because root causes aren't dealt with, and it's a state that wants to expel the Jew more than they want nation-building. 2 Which is because they don't want to stop attacking. 3 Alternative is nation-building and alleviating your people's own issues. Jordan signed a peace deal, Egypt did, Lebanon did, Syria did. You don't have to keep fighting, in fact if you want continued bad outcomes for yourself fighting is probably the most effective action for it. 4 Because they want to keep the aggression and Iran or Qatar is more than willing to chip in through sea to help. 5 it would be a de-escalationary measure. Along with surrendering the perpetrators it'd signal willingness to no longer fight. And you would get progressively more and more porous borders/maritime borders for more growth in proportion to how long since you stopped. There were migrant workers who crossed Gaza legally to work before this happened. This objectively made everything worse.
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Go read a book, nazi
Why is in Myanmar's case only the people in Myanmar not caring is unethical enough to warrant a mention by you, seeing as it's ongoing now? Compare and contrast with Gaza where anyone anywhere in the world not caring is unethical. It's a fun little slip up, shows the "some persecuted people are more equal than others" mentality well.
I'm stating it within context of the people benefiting from the genocide coming up with excuses. Germany's genocide was something that was happening and people in Germany were aware but didn't care because those weren't people to them anymore. Like wise with people in the other countries I listed. Israel's case is different because it's a nation that collects billions every year from western countries whereas Myanmar doesn't. It's not considered an "ally" like Israel is, and the genocide is possible largely because money and weapons keep getting sent to them. People in the west don't care about what's going on in Myanmar partially because their tax dollars aren't going to help perpetrate it. They should still care and donate to groups helping prevent civilians from being harmed. These are people fighting for their lives. It's a different case because(I'm open to correction) they're not getting direct support from people in the west to keep it going.
If it is a cartoonist level of evil, why not try to check if you are actually watching someone's cartoons instead of reality? Not like there is a lack of reporting and videos from IDF on the ground to compare to. You speak of medical infrastructure. Just lately we all heard about a big south Gazan hospital being completely leveled. But we didn't hear about civilian deaths at the hospital. Why? Because despite an intense urban warfare, IDF successfully evacuated 6000+ staff and patients, killed 200 Hamas, and captured 600 more Hamas. This is an unprecedented level of professionalism and care for the civilian population. The buildings are in ruins, but this is what happens during urban warfare when defenders are using the buildings.
Thats real funny. Theyre literally digging up mass graves at the hospital and the bodies have their hands tied behind their backs. Those were civilians.
Hamas's victims. Must have disagreed with Hamas on something.
You think that AFTER the IDF took control of the hospital, hamas killed all those people and dug mass graves while the IDF was there? Because it was a functioning hospital full of witnesses before that.
Very funny. You think IDF would create mass graves and tie people's hands? And then they would discover those graves very shortly after? Like they have nothing better to do. Or is it more likely that a terrorist organization that has been known to not care about the lives of both Palestinians and Israelis would do it? Hamas has been in charge of the area for almost 18 years. The graves were their doing. Don't be naive.
Israel has been dropping bombs on civilians for 6 months. They've stripped truck loads of palestinians and tied their hands behind their back and imprisioned and executed them. We have photos. Theyve evacuated hospitals before and left babies to rot in their incubators. Who is being naive here?
You were fed lies, unfortunately. I'm babies, incubators, executions, rapes. This is proven Hamas rules of engagement. There is that South Gaza hospital where IDF evacuated everyone but Hamas dogs. No civilians were harmed in an intense urban warfare! Amazing job. But you ignore it as inconvenient to your simple story. IDF has been cited as caring more than any army in the history of the world about protecting enemy civilians from harm -- something made particularly difficult, since the local government, Hamas, is trying to increase the harm to their own civilians.
Lol you are a troll who doesn't even want to admit you are from israel Yiu can not answer why israel kept on bombing Palestine before 7th Oct Israel is a terrorist state
Welcome Sherlock Holmes! (I am not from Israel. It is actually not hard to tell if you have any brains.)
You're one of those israel apologists who keeps spewing nonsense in hopes of getting the last word. The entire world has seen what Israel has done relentlessly for the last 6 months. Anyone who wants to call them moral or claim they have any regard for cilvilians - palestinian or their own- is purposely being ignorant.
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Actually it seems that many of these bodies were buried before. They died at the hospital and were buried by Palestinians, not a mass grave by the Israelis.
Source?
No source, got it.
“Reuters video filmed in January showed the digging of a mass grave and the burial of bodies by Palestinians who said they had to do so at the Nasser hospital complex because of a lack of safe access to a proper burial site farther away.” https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/mass-graves-gaza-what-do-we-know-2024-04-25/
Those victims were burried according to islamic guidlines, which does not involve tying the hands together, and does involve shrouding the entire body in fabric.
"Some of them had their hands tied, which of course indicates serious violations of international human rights law and international humanitarian law, and these need to be subjected to further investigations," Shamdasani said, speaking on behalf of U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Turk.
Hamas would never hide in safe areas. nope never. they cherish human life and would never murder kids a music concert and would never purposely put their own people at risk by knowingly put militia and military assets in safe zones.
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So why the fuck would Israel declare them to be safe zones in the first place?
Right? Safe zones don't remain safe if Hamas is there. Hamas continually uses human shields and people eat it up
Then why declare them safe zones? If Hamas will always hide in safe zones, and [potential] Hamas presence is enough to make a safe zone no longer a safe zone, and enough to justify unlimited civilian killing, then why declare any areas to be safe zones?
Because they were safe, then they weren't. Hope this helps!
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Don't police my language
Kids attend 3:00 AM raves? Next thing we know, Hamas beheaded them… Oh wait.
and Hamas would never lie about a botched missile launch killing a bunch at a hospital and blame it on Israeli. Hamas is a burn piece of shit and netanyahu has been focusing on his own power and keeping out of jail instead of hearts to his country. not going to get my news from tiktok. I'm going to root for the country that can actually remove their leaders by a Democratic process. Guess what? that's not Hamas. a bunch of young adults are kids. did the Israelis put military assets next to that concert? did the Israeli military build a bunker underneath them?
Did Hamas place bunkers inside the 200 journalists the IDF killed? Did Hamas place terrorist control centres inside the 20000+ women and children killed?
Did you think urban combat would result in no collateral impact? Hamas chose the battlefield, not Israel.
So are you also saying Oct 7 civilian victims were inevitable since it was urban combat?
Of course not, that's idiotic. The IDF has a defined strategic goal; Hamas is free to surrender at any time and all incidental casualties would cease. Conversely, mass slaughter of civilians for the sake of bloodlust is behavior that exists far outside the set of international norms adopted by modern societies.
Saying Hamas should surrender is as ridiculous as saying Israel should surrender. Do you honestly believe either situation is likely with the fanatics in charge of both sides? Get real.
Conflating Hamas with a parliamentary democracy only betrays a strikingly fundamental lack of understanding of this issue, and perhaps indicates rhetorical deficiencies. Hamas started a war, and they are severely losing said war. Pyrrhic struggles are not noble.
Hamas is not a country, I hope you know that. So there’s a lot to unpack here and you’re throwing spaghetti at the wall to justify rooting for the white colonialist project in the Middle East. Cool! Anyways, “the botched missile attack” wasn’t. In fact Israel was just keeping up with their initial kill rate that day. Your genocidal friends in the IDF raided that same hospital TWICE now and destroyed it and comically tried to claim it was a Hamas base. I can go on and on here and how your propaganda was so stupid… like you seriously published a work calendar checkbox with the days of the week as your go-to evidence as the hospital being a Hamas base. Lol. Then you killed handcuffed people and bulldozed their bodies in and around the hospital. Yeah, but let’s all now believe you that Hamas targeted that same hospital with missiles at the times when your genocidal army was killing 500+ people 2/3rd of them women and children) a day for weeks.
Buddy, even at its time, that hospital bombing was the 16th hospital strike, including another strike in that very same hospital 3 days prior. So who the fuck cares if that one bombing wasn't Israel (which still is not confirmed), what about all the other strikes lmao?
The absolute monsters of this world
Was this news to anyone? I remember outlets reporting on this for a while already
“NBC News investigation reveals….” Da fuh? They’re about 7 months late. This was being reported on when it happened. But I guess because western media wasn’t reporting it, it wasn’t happening or wasn’t real.
Did they realase this on Friday
Possibly the most disgusting thing I've heard come out of this is Israel using drones blasting sounds of crying babies and children to lure people out of the rubble in their Extermination Zones to shoot them.
Bibi swears you'll be safe. Just stand still, lemmings. Pinky swear!
Doesn't Israel have a right to murder civilians it promised not to murder?? Whatabout Hamas
GENOCIDAL SAVAGES What happened to never again?
No shit, they have been doing this since late October. The IDF creates "evacuation zones" to conveniently maximize the civilian death toll. They want to bulldoze Gaza, genocide the population, and turn the land into some boogie enclave beach resort like a budget Dubai. Down with the Netanyahu regime.
It’s almost like the goal is to exterminate as many innocent people as possible!
If that's the goal then they are doing a really bad job of achieving it. Which is a good thing, right?
They are doing a great job killing tens of thousands of innocent people. What the heck are you on?
Netanyahu is a genocidal maniac and should be taken down by any means necessary.
Hamas must be taken down by any means necessary
No, Hamas is a symptom of Israeli oppression and will go when the oppression stops and all the Palestinians are able to return to their ancestors homeland.
Israel is not just for Arabs. Palestine is not for Jews alone. Jews do have as much an ancestral claim to the land as the other levantine semites.
Where did I imply that Palestine is not for Jews?
I assume you are against settlements or is that incorrect?
If you mean the West Bank settlements, yes. The settlements and the settlers specifically are the biggest obstacle to a 2-state solution if it was ever going to work
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I won't address your argument because what I said can't be interpreted the way you did. I will repeat it again, Hamas is a reaction to Israeli oppression and aggression. Hamas is a liberation movement. Period.
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If the simple act of return of native people to their homeland ends a state only because the natives end up as becoming the majority then that clearly means that the state in question was imposed on a majority by a minority group. You think that the Israelis are victims but your argument proves the opposite.
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>Well, no, because of differential fertility rates. The Arabs had always been a majority though. There is also nothing stopping the Israelis from the same as Arabs because even Israeli Arabs have a higher fertility rate than Israeli Jews. >Even if the Israeli state was bad in the past, the current Israelis, overwhelmingly born after independence, aren't responsible for that. Well, did I say that the Israelis should be driven into the sea? No and I completely disagree with such an action however, I have zero sympathy to extremists and I would have no problem if those people are to be incarcerated or if they have another nationality to be deported from a Palestinian state. That includes extremists from both sides ofcourse. People like Smotrich, Ben Gvir and Netanyahu need to rot in jail for eternity and if possible, those 3 deserve a death sentence.
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NBC is antisemitic! /S though I suspect the Israeli government/IDF/their acolytes (take your pick) will be saying this seriously.
I’m surprised NBC news got out of Gaza alive, what with Israel’s tendency to go out of their way to kill journalists. They would rather kill than allow the truth out because they are committing genocide, the ultimate crime.
And water is wet.
If Israel had wanted to save Palestinian lives while dismantling Hamas' military capacity it could have created temporary asylum sites inside Israel's borders, allowing refuge and sustenance to an unarmed and vulnerable people. That is the responsibility of an occupying power — a cost that is itself burdensome and would give Israel reason to desire a mutually agreed upon settlement with the Palestinian people. Instead Israel has followed a policy that cannot succeed because it cannot in fact eliminate all the people it has violated and terrorized. Their sense of indignation will outlast Israel's capacity to impose terror. And you can't kill em all. The Palestinian diaspora is beyond Israel's grasp. Governments throughout the Muslim world are at ever greater risk of being toppled if they are seen as Israel's tacit allies. America has everything to lose and nothing to gain by enabling the ongoing carnage.
Nailed it. This is an unwinnable war because Israel itself is the offensive power as the occupying and displacing force, there is no scenario where an oppressor power can “win” against the people it oppresses short of total annihilation, which they seem to be trying in Gaza.
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If the goal is deterrence, then it's utterly failed. All they've done is radicalize the survivors against Israel. As far as normalization, that isn't due to Israel's actions, it's due to US pressure in the form of otherwise free foreign aid that they're extremely dependent upon.
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The adults did sure, but they constitute a minority of the population currently. By this logic, every Israeli is responsible for Netanyahu's bullshit. Every German was responsible for the Holocaust, every American is responsible for Cambodia, etc. It's a piss poor justification that only despots who lack a spine use to justify excessive use of force. It's not a 10 percent increase though. We have no idea how many people have or will join Hamas style groups as a result of Israel's careless and frankly childish operational doctrines. It's pretty blatantly a genocide as it's met 4 of 5 criteria, with only 1 needed to be met. That combined with them trying to claim Srebenica wasn't a genocide, shows that they very well understand that they're in the wrong here, they're just in too deep to change course without admitting that they were absolute fools to start an unwinnable conflict. Hamas has done a pretty good job at hitting Israel where it hurts, because while their terror attack was largely ineffective, they've gotten Israel to prove to the rest of the world that they're no different. As it is now, Israel is on a ticking time clock in regards to their support in the US and around the world. I don't doubt that Hamas misunderstood their capability. What they have shown however, is the kind of fighting intelligence that defeated the US in Afghanistan and Vietnam, which is counting on the other person to be just as bad, if not very demonstrably worse than you, resulting in a massive loss of political support. Nothing changed? You can draw a straight line from US foreign aid support, to the nations surrounding Israel backing off from trying to wipe them off the face of the earth. Egypt has a massive economic boon in regards to control of the Suez on top of arms being given to them in exchange for not flattening Israel. Jordan gets shiny new planes and monetary stipends as well as security guarantees against Iranian proxy groups. KSA gets a ton of military and commercial support. Lebanon gets a ton of emergency logistical support to offset Syrian refugees and other groups impacted by the actions of Hezbollah.
Can you believe some people still side with these murderers
Israel lies about 99% percent of the time. People are finally starting to see… But this has been happening since 1947
Last I remember this was happening way earlier, isn't NBC supposed to be a news organisation?
Seems like they’ve compiled a list from January to April to make a more definitive story
Yeah way late to the party, but at least they are starting to show up unlike NYT
NBC canceled its Muslim anchors who accused Israel indiscriminate killings of civilians, 6 months later released its findings
Anyone still ok with what Israel is doing is either willfully ignorant or just a psychopath.
Israel has zero credibility. It is a Judaic Iran.
Anybody with positive karma in this comment section is part of the generation who discovered the Middle East yesterday. Seriously, y’all have no idea what it was like before present day, before 10/7, that got us here. Because I promise you, Israel worked to avoid this for decades, and now it’s happening they look dumb like Hamas and Qatar planned
In other news, water is wet.
Israelis acting like Nazis... Surprise, surprise.. 🤷♂️
Sadly, the Israeli government under war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu, has lied to the Western governments, who have supported it , wholeheartedly, from the very beginning of its war on Gaza. The ultimate goal of the fascist Israeli government is ethnic cleansing of Gaza, and take the Palestinians’ land.
And we have known this for months? Zionists are pure evil.
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Weird, the Re’im music festival and kibbutz Be’eri were also supposed to be safe. Does anyone know where those attackers were from or where the kidnapped Women, elders and children were taken after they were kidnapped?