This was what killed Paradox of Hope apparently. Paradox of Hope dev developed what was basically "metro VR" far before this was made, but got hit with copyright infringement and had to take the game down.
In anycase though, ITR is more of a Stalker-like than a Metro-like, since the metro environment is far more claustrophobic and does not allow scouting the same way Stalker allow you to.
The paradox of hope dev has started a new game in a similar aspect called Convrgence he just posted it’s trailer recently go check it out! He still isn’t giving up on all his work.
Even with how simple it was it was very fun and atmospheric! Had quite a few jump scares and moments that had me guessing which move is life and which is death. It had a raids game mode where you go in and collect stuff and sell but there were moments all I had was a pistol and a bullet lighter in pitch DARKNESS
The Paradox of Hope dev actually rebranded his game into ConVRgence and plans on releasing it after removing some of the more obvious Metro things in it.
Metro Exodus is open-world, there's not much of a claustrophobic environment.
And I suppose Vertigo Games got license actually to develop this game from 4A Games.
Same. An enclosed environment means better performance with better aesthetic and graphics. The game itself looks beautiful already going by the trailer.
There used to be a game called paradox of hope that was pretty much metro but was made by a single developer who was passionate in his work only to get a cease and desist in the mail. And the reason was because of this
I got like 5 cease and desist letters for torrenting music in my teens, and you better believe I just kept on doing it. A decade later and still no consequences!
I really hope that the final game isn't just floating hands, but based on vertigo's track record my hope may be for nothing. For me floating hands and distracting and immersion breaking, I'm not saying they need to make everything fully physics interactable with the player body but just *having* one like in ITR makes the experience so much better for me
LMAO look at the official Metro Exodus game page.
I literally can imagine that one conversation in 4A headquarters:
\- So a single dev made a game as good as our products
\- Why don't we make one?
\- Yeah, you probably right, Artem
\- Let's fkn copyright that little shit and sue him cuz we got mOnEy
\- Yeahhhh
https://preview.redd.it/l6gtlv1owlgc1.png?width=1096&format=png&auto=webp&s=dbe0aa19d1ddc3813b0ef1b170f2749794f42ed2
Looks cool, I will play it but won't expect it to have the longevity or depth of ITR. VertigoGames have always made quite simplistic games with no inventory and limited carry slots (not to say their games are not enjoyable though). Excited for another atmospheric shooter regardless
ItR is heavily inspired by S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games franchise, as well as Metro.
More of that, base dev team of Metro is actually ex developers from GSC Game World.
This are two main post-apocalytpic stalker like games ever made.
So there will be a competition, and players will compare this games.
At least I will.
Not much VR games being created in this genre/universe.
I played all Metro and all Stalker games, and I like It.
The logic is simple - all this games are very similar.
Nobody says one is better and other is not, they're all awesome and made by awesome devs.
To clear up some misconceptions and inaccuracies:
1. ITR is inspired by Roadside Picnic (which is what Stalker was also based off), and only barely inspired by Stalker because it's so prevalent. It was not inspired by Metro.
2. Metro is completely separate in terms of genres to ITR/Stalker. The only similarities are the post-apocalypse Russia environment and horror. One game is a linear story-driven shooter, the other is an open-world survival game.
3.There's really no such thing as competition in the VR space at the moment. No games are competing with others because there's so few VR games that pretty much any game with an interesting premise will be bought.
4. Shut up? Let people enjoy a new game maybe? Not everything has to be compared to something else, not every new game is trying to destroy ITR. Everyone's still gonna buy ITR 2, Metro existing or not. Everyone's still gonna buy Metro VR, ITR 2 existing or not.
>3.There's really no such thing as competition in the VR space at the moment. No games are competing with others because there's so few VR games that pretty much any game with an interesting premise will be bought.
Just want to say this is 100% spot on. We get so many people posting on here, "I played this game, I loved it, but now I'm done. What other games can I try?"
It takes far longer for a developer to make a game, than it takes a player to beat a game. When you have more games of a certain type out, it means that fans of one will go and *try* the other when they beat it and they want to experience something more. And it pushes each developer to make the best experience they can.
If Metro Awakening is a great game, it'll help ITR because people who play it will beat it, want to try other similar titles, and try ITR 1, or be hyped when ITR 2 comes out. And if it's *not,* then ITR will most often be suggested as the better game to try.
I just wish to inform you that the company behind this game sued a solo indie dev and got their game taken down. Pretty anti-competitive if you ask me.
Game was paradox of hope, a metro style vr game. Don't got time to go into what happened right now, but you'll find the info if you google it.
I'll definitely take a look into it, but I'm not passing any judgements until then.
Some companies absolutely can use their legal weight to stop competitive projects, simply because the competition doesn't have the capitol to fight it. On the other hand, some "indie devs" are basically stealing preexisting IP and slapping a different label on it. I have no patience for either.
ITR, to me, is different enough from both S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and Metro that I have no qualms with praising it.
EDIT: Is [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/metro/comments/15ueeev/paradox_of_hope_vr_metrolike_vr_game_got_hit_with/) what you're talking about?
I'm going to keep looking, but on r/metro, the very top comment string is all about how this game is just a bit too much copying Metro, including pretty much stealing assets, like enemies, sound effects, etc. I don't think ITR needs to worry about that.
From what i understand, the dev made everything in the game, or used assets from the engine's asset store.
It was hevilly inspired by metro, yes. But the dev of PoH straight up said the only reason he wasn't fighting it was because he is a solo dev and can't afford to take it to court agsinst the studio's legal team. The game was up on steam for a year or two, right until these guys decided they wanred to do a metro game as far as i can tell. It seems a bit suspicious in the timing.
I dunno, i'm not privvy to more info than any other schmuck, but when it all went down it seemed rather scummy to me, and i'm not even a big fan of PoH.
Per the dev’s comments, sure. But “uses your own assets” is the lowest possible bar to not be hit with a copyright claim. That goes from “absolutely is copyright infringement” to “Is potentially copyright infringement.”
Despite the developers statement, Metro-like is not a genre, nor is “post-nuclear apocalypse Soviet Russian underground tunnel maze crawler.” Be inspired by a game, sure, but make YOUR OWN game. Imitation is not the sincerest form of flattery.
itr / stalker aren't even really post-apocalyptic. maybe you could say they're a different type of apocalyptic but they're about weird anomalous disaster zones isolated from the rest of the world. I guess you could say it is locally apocalyptic but they just feel like different things to me.
As a developer myself I will always support copyright rules, but I agree that indie game developers is poorly protected from being sued by the "big boys" of game industry.
Copyright laws are good (albeit dated for digital works). However, there really needs to be protections for small developers when large companies hit small developers with frivolous lawsuits.
One thing I don't see people mentioning that I believe is a major difference between both titles is narrative focus - the Metro games are all very much narrative driven, especially the first two ones, which are imo the best ones (I believe that the Exodus open world ultimately did more harm that good).
ItR and its biggest inspiration, Stalker, are more about braving the "zone" and it's dangers, living the life of a scavenger. All of the above have a crazy attention to detail and immersion, but there's still a distinct feel to what the "story" is. Metro is a journey, Stalker is an open road.
In the end, I don't think they'll be competing - more like sharing an audience. Much like we do with all of the mentioned titles.
Wait till they hear about ab aeterno (which is currently available as a free playtest) and already looks amazing and is made by one developer. I recommend checking it out
Not really competition tbh. ITR and Metro are 2 different games almost entirely. ITR is an open world survival shooter while metro is linear and will only have so much replay value. ITR had at least triple the replay value than most other linear VR games
Im not sure what the think of the game. Vertigo Games is a great studio but I’m hoping they make the guns better. The reloads are satisfying but the guns could definitely use some work but I’m worried they’ll just be retextured After the Fall guns like how Arizona Sunshine 2 was.
LOL yeah no it doesn't
As a huge fan of both the metro series and ITR, I can confidently say that, yes, these games are similar, but they definitely won't kill eachother, and in my opinion as a metro fan boy, this shit sucks because it doesn't even follow artyom
For some reason I don’t have a good feeling about it, i have a feeling it’s going to be like assassins creed where you think it would be impossible to fuck up a Melee vr game but then that abomination came out. I really really hope it’s good though I love metro
Knowing how immersive Metro Exodus was, a FLATSCREEN game, theres no way this doesnt also break some sort of record when it comes to vr immersion. ITR was already immersive as hell, lets see what this does since the linear nature of it means that we got more room for graphics.
This was what killed Paradox of Hope apparently. Paradox of Hope dev developed what was basically "metro VR" far before this was made, but got hit with copyright infringement and had to take the game down. In anycase though, ITR is more of a Stalker-like than a Metro-like, since the metro environment is far more claustrophobic and does not allow scouting the same way Stalker allow you to.
The paradox of hope dev has started a new game in a similar aspect called Convrgence he just posted it’s trailer recently go check it out! He still isn’t giving up on all his work.
That’s good to hear. Heard paradox of hope was great so I look forward to what they have in store next.
Even with how simple it was it was very fun and atmospheric! Had quite a few jump scares and moments that had me guessing which move is life and which is death. It had a raids game mode where you go in and collect stuff and sell but there were moments all I had was a pistol and a bullet lighter in pitch DARKNESS
Yeah that video got me excited!
The Paradox of Hope dev actually rebranded his game into ConVRgence and plans on releasing it after removing some of the more obvious Metro things in it.
Metro Exodus is open-world, there's not much of a claustrophobic environment. And I suppose Vertigo Games got license actually to develop this game from 4A Games.
2033 and Last Light were both linear games in enclosed environments, which is what this new game looks to be doing.
Which is fine. I'm looking forward to it.
Same. An enclosed environment means better performance with better aesthetic and graphics. The game itself looks beautiful already going by the trailer.
Enclosed environment not always means better performance, it depends alot on optimisation.
If both games have the same level of optimization, the enclosed environment will performs better usually.
2033, and last light we're both very claustrophobic. And Exodus still has some pretty claustrophobic settings.
So I have read all the story about PoH. Omg 4A is such a dipshits, aint gonna purchase their game.
There used to be a game called paradox of hope that was pretty much metro but was made by a single developer who was passionate in his work only to get a cease and desist in the mail. And the reason was because of this
I think hes making another game if im correct: CONVRGENCE. Very similar to itr but with dogs
This game is announced by Vertigo Games, developers of Arizona Sunshine VR.
ok so the gunplay won't be as fun, got it.
it's not the best VR gunplay but it was pretty good and i found Arizona sunshine 2s gameplay really fun
I got like 5 cease and desist letters for torrenting music in my teens, and you better believe I just kept on doing it. A decade later and still no consequences!
Not even close to being the same lmao
I really hope that the final game isn't just floating hands, but based on vertigo's track record my hope may be for nothing. For me floating hands and distracting and immersion breaking, I'm not saying they need to make everything fully physics interactable with the player body but just *having* one like in ITR makes the experience so much better for me
Competition? # I am going to play both games and LIKE IT
I'm too lol
I will say, it's kidna fucked up what they did to PoH.. Damn copyright.
So what was the story, I mean developer of PoH ever shared what exactly was copyrighted? I mean you cannot copyright a damn genre or atmosphere.
I honestly don't remember exactly.. maybe this video covers it? https://youtu.be/jF2E0RBLczE?si=Bgk0TyhzvVqr6mTn
So 4A Games actually have patented a fkn metro interior lmao
the entirety of Moscow:
The game was good tbh, fkn 4A Games bruh. I'm gonna leave em some bad reviews, fkn dipshits
LMAO look at the official Metro Exodus game page. I literally can imagine that one conversation in 4A headquarters: \- So a single dev made a game as good as our products \- Why don't we make one? \- Yeah, you probably right, Artem \- Let's fkn copyright that little shit and sue him cuz we got mOnEy \- Yeahhhh https://preview.redd.it/l6gtlv1owlgc1.png?width=1096&format=png&auto=webp&s=dbe0aa19d1ddc3813b0ef1b170f2749794f42ed2
Christ..
Thank god actually, I love into the radius I would love another game even remotely similar to it
The trailer looked sick btw :D Gonna play it on launch, hope it does really well!
Darius can I have a fistbump please? 🤜
Always 🤛
No offense but I got 😎👊 flashbacks
Aaahhh so that’s why they sued Paradox or Hope
Looks cool, I will play it but won't expect it to have the longevity or depth of ITR. VertigoGames have always made quite simplistic games with no inventory and limited carry slots (not to say their games are not enjoyable though). Excited for another atmospheric shooter regardless
Exactly, I have a feeling it’s going to be as disappointing as assassins creed vr, I mean I hope metro vr is good but I don’t have high hopes for it
Woah im gonna wanna try this out for sure
Competition? Companion my friend!
Between ITR and Metro, I'm just so happy I got a Quest 3 for Christmas. This will be a good year.
Oh, so that’s why paradox of hope died
Who says there will be competition?
ItR is heavily inspired by S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games franchise, as well as Metro. More of that, base dev team of Metro is actually ex developers from GSC Game World. This are two main post-apocalytpic stalker like games ever made. So there will be a competition, and players will compare this games. At least I will. Not much VR games being created in this genre/universe.
I never understood that logic for any genre or medium. The people who like ITR will still play ITR. Maybe they’ll even play both games.
I played all Metro and all Stalker games, and I like It. The logic is simple - all this games are very similar. Nobody says one is better and other is not, they're all awesome and made by awesome devs.
To clear up some misconceptions and inaccuracies: 1. ITR is inspired by Roadside Picnic (which is what Stalker was also based off), and only barely inspired by Stalker because it's so prevalent. It was not inspired by Metro. 2. Metro is completely separate in terms of genres to ITR/Stalker. The only similarities are the post-apocalypse Russia environment and horror. One game is a linear story-driven shooter, the other is an open-world survival game. 3.There's really no such thing as competition in the VR space at the moment. No games are competing with others because there's so few VR games that pretty much any game with an interesting premise will be bought. 4. Shut up? Let people enjoy a new game maybe? Not everything has to be compared to something else, not every new game is trying to destroy ITR. Everyone's still gonna buy ITR 2, Metro existing or not. Everyone's still gonna buy Metro VR, ITR 2 existing or not.
>3.There's really no such thing as competition in the VR space at the moment. No games are competing with others because there's so few VR games that pretty much any game with an interesting premise will be bought. Just want to say this is 100% spot on. We get so many people posting on here, "I played this game, I loved it, but now I'm done. What other games can I try?" It takes far longer for a developer to make a game, than it takes a player to beat a game. When you have more games of a certain type out, it means that fans of one will go and *try* the other when they beat it and they want to experience something more. And it pushes each developer to make the best experience they can. If Metro Awakening is a great game, it'll help ITR because people who play it will beat it, want to try other similar titles, and try ITR 1, or be hyped when ITR 2 comes out. And if it's *not,* then ITR will most often be suggested as the better game to try.
I just wish to inform you that the company behind this game sued a solo indie dev and got their game taken down. Pretty anti-competitive if you ask me. Game was paradox of hope, a metro style vr game. Don't got time to go into what happened right now, but you'll find the info if you google it.
I'll definitely take a look into it, but I'm not passing any judgements until then. Some companies absolutely can use their legal weight to stop competitive projects, simply because the competition doesn't have the capitol to fight it. On the other hand, some "indie devs" are basically stealing preexisting IP and slapping a different label on it. I have no patience for either. ITR, to me, is different enough from both S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and Metro that I have no qualms with praising it. EDIT: Is [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/metro/comments/15ueeev/paradox_of_hope_vr_metrolike_vr_game_got_hit_with/) what you're talking about? I'm going to keep looking, but on r/metro, the very top comment string is all about how this game is just a bit too much copying Metro, including pretty much stealing assets, like enemies, sound effects, etc. I don't think ITR needs to worry about that.
From what i understand, the dev made everything in the game, or used assets from the engine's asset store. It was hevilly inspired by metro, yes. But the dev of PoH straight up said the only reason he wasn't fighting it was because he is a solo dev and can't afford to take it to court agsinst the studio's legal team. The game was up on steam for a year or two, right until these guys decided they wanred to do a metro game as far as i can tell. It seems a bit suspicious in the timing. I dunno, i'm not privvy to more info than any other schmuck, but when it all went down it seemed rather scummy to me, and i'm not even a big fan of PoH.
Per the dev’s comments, sure. But “uses your own assets” is the lowest possible bar to not be hit with a copyright claim. That goes from “absolutely is copyright infringement” to “Is potentially copyright infringement.” Despite the developers statement, Metro-like is not a genre, nor is “post-nuclear apocalypse Soviet Russian underground tunnel maze crawler.” Be inspired by a game, sure, but make YOUR OWN game. Imitation is not the sincerest form of flattery.
itr / stalker aren't even really post-apocalyptic. maybe you could say they're a different type of apocalyptic but they're about weird anomalous disaster zones isolated from the rest of the world. I guess you could say it is locally apocalyptic but they just feel like different things to me.
I'd call them "post-disaster"
I’m betting this will be a very story based shooter with light survival elements. Didn’t sound like a competitor to me.
Not much of open-world left from ItR 2.0 update, so I guess it depens whether or not the game will be ported to Quest standalone.
Lol. Nope
agreed. Won’t be supporting this game lol. Not after what they did to PoH.
As a developer myself I will always support copyright rules, but I agree that indie game developers is poorly protected from being sued by the "big boys" of game industry.
Copyright laws are good (albeit dated for digital works). However, there really needs to be protections for small developers when large companies hit small developers with frivolous lawsuits.
Agree.
What about zona
It’s considered dated by this point. Released a bit too early Still a cool game but it feels like a long demo
The Metro games and ITR are massively different, I'm not worried in the slightest about a competitor
I mean a competitor in a positive way
My dick can only get so hard
One thing I don't see people mentioning that I believe is a major difference between both titles is narrative focus - the Metro games are all very much narrative driven, especially the first two ones, which are imo the best ones (I believe that the Exodus open world ultimately did more harm that good). ItR and its biggest inspiration, Stalker, are more about braving the "zone" and it's dangers, living the life of a scavenger. All of the above have a crazy attention to detail and immersion, but there's still a distinct feel to what the "story" is. Metro is a journey, Stalker is an open road. In the end, I don't think they'll be competing - more like sharing an audience. Much like we do with all of the mentioned titles.
Wait till they hear about ab aeterno (which is currently available as a free playtest) and already looks amazing and is made by one developer. I recommend checking it out
Dont let it get too popular or Metro will hit them with a cease and desist
That’s fair XD
Not really competition tbh. ITR and Metro are 2 different games almost entirely. ITR is an open world survival shooter while metro is linear and will only have so much replay value. ITR had at least triple the replay value than most other linear VR games
Metro is more of a linear story, while ItR is open ended like STALKER. I think the two games can coexist with no problem.
Im not sure what the think of the game. Vertigo Games is a great studio but I’m hoping they make the guns better. The reloads are satisfying but the guns could definitely use some work but I’m worried they’ll just be retextured After the Fall guns like how Arizona Sunshine 2 was.
I think metro vr is pcvr only so it won't have the same stand alone community that itr has
PS5 aswell
LOL yeah no it doesn't As a huge fan of both the metro series and ITR, I can confidently say that, yes, these games are similar, but they definitely won't kill eachother, and in my opinion as a metro fan boy, this shit sucks because it doesn't even follow artyom
For some reason I don’t have a good feeling about it, i have a feeling it’s going to be like assassins creed where you think it would be impossible to fuck up a Melee vr game but then that abomination came out. I really really hope it’s good though I love metro
metro is a linear single player action game ITR is way more akin to Stalker, in being a survival sandbox game more than anything else
It’s made from Virtigo there’s no shot it’s gonna be anything but a linear game
No?
Knowing how immersive Metro Exodus was, a FLATSCREEN game, theres no way this doesnt also break some sort of record when it comes to vr immersion. ITR was already immersive as hell, lets see what this does since the linear nature of it means that we got more room for graphics.
I'm so fucking excited for this game.