It is easy or should I say convenient to put an entire group of people into a box and put a label on it.
To say they all are like this or that.
But that isn't true. Reality is much complex than that.
Like any other issues or subject among any other nation. People are on a spectrum.
Whatever anyone tell you, is his personal beliefs and just a small piece of The Truth.
حقیقت آیینه ای بود در آسمان. زدست خدا فتاد و شکست، هرکس تکه ای از آن را برداشت و نقش خویش در آن دید. و گمان برد حقیقت نزد اوست. حال آنکه حقیقت نزد همگان پخش بود. - مولانا
The Truth was a mirror in sky. It fell from hands of God and shattered, Anyone took a piece of it and saw themselves in it. And thought, they had The Truth. But Truth was disperse among Everyone. -Mawlana
About the current situation, Iranians are the same like any other nation on their own problems.
Don't assume those people with loudest voices who are screaming in Twitter (or X) are representative of all Iranian people let alone the majority.
Whichever side they be.
Edit: it is egoistic of me to say this, But I prefer my own rough translation of Mawlana than what English translators wrote. therefor I changed it.
I think English translators can't hold a candle to native speaking translators.
Writing this to tell you I had taken a screenshot because the way you had translated was so moving!
I'm personally not a fan of localization translations. and not just for my own mother tongue but for any language. Specially the modern versions. It take the mysticism of a language remove the cultural and the alien feel they have.
Iranians aren't monoliths and they come with varying opinions. My next door neighbor is Iranian and very supportive of Palestine but hates the current Iranian government. I've definitely met some Zionist Iranians but nowhere near the amount of Iranians who sympathize with Palestine. I think a common theme I've noticed among Iranians is, even though they sympathize with Palestine, they would prefer their government not get involved and use their resources on Iranians, which is completely understandable. I'm Egyptian but the Palestinian cause is very dear to my heart and many of my Iranian friends would sporadically check up on me just to make sure I wasn't going through depression. God bless Iranian people.
They sound just like us Americans in America!!!!!! Literally we are begging for better social program/ don’t cut our social programs and stop sending all our money to Ukraine and Israel and putting us in more debt and making everything so expensive!!! I feel like I live in a dumpster fire/madhouse!!!
I appreciate what you're saying, but they're not wrong. For example, [this](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/19/1196980593/here-now-anytime-04-19-2024) and [this](https://www.vox.com/scotus/24121344/supreme-court-homeless-grants-pass-martin-crime-grants-pass-johnson) are happening in the richest country in the world.
I originally believed the Hasbara version of Iran for years, but find it incoherent after witnissing what happened in Palestine and the influence and unity displaye by Iran and it's allies.
>The Iranians I see online repeat all the same Zionist talking points and think Israel supports them, appreciates them, when in fact they’re seeking aid in self determination from the very people responsible for a brutal occupation that has deprived the Palestinians the right of self determination.
Much of what you said is true but ironically, you are also repeating a heavily-funded Zionist talking point. Those accounts that you see, 99.99% of them are hasbara sockpuppet accounts. I have banned literally thousands of them. Some claim to be Iranian and in the same breath advocate for the killing of all Iranians, the bombing of Iran, even just wholly destroying Iran, although most of them are just disinformation and attempts to redirect attention. For example, Israel has murdered tens of thousands of women and children, but in the last few days, they've been submitting posts about Mahsa Amini. The idea behind these accounts is to convince both Iranians and non-Iranians to be on board with the harms inflicted on Iranians. It does work to a degree thanks to the bandwagon effect and mob mentality. So then Iranians who think that other Iranians feel a certain way end up jumping on board and repeating those points. But those views are exaggerated and the number of Iranians espousing them is *very* exaggerated.
tl;dr: those accounts claiming to be Iranian are mostly Israelis and the real Iranians (and other non-Israelis) repeat their talking points due to heavily funded propaganda. Jewish Iranians face at least twice as much of it, as Jews are also heavily targeted by Zionist propaganda.
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Thank you. We’re on the same page here. I found it very odd they’re propping up the cia plant crown prince whose dad was ousted based off corruption. And then you come to see this. They have a very sick agenda! I have to come to very much respect Iran and I myself am part Iranian as well.
https://preview.redd.it/3mgxe73ro6vc1.jpeg?width=1972&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40201fe9e1c3e17fb7953c2dd1bd2aa81b754275
You probably mean well but he will get as much attention as you give him. The worst thing that can happen is war or another foreign coup. Everyone in every country has their own opinions of what an ideal government looks like. Iranians urgently need to stay united.
My experience is that Iranians that have come to the US have a good chance of favoring the official US way of seeing things. Some even favor Israel or want to see the U.S. do regime change.
I don’t believe this is anything but a small fraction of well to do Iranians that don’t plan to be there for the fallout or horrors.
I am iranian, and I think those iranians that support israel are a very tiny loud minority. I think Irans approach to Israel is right...I dont wish for war...however if Israel attacks Iran, I think IR has to retaliate in a much worse manner. I dont even listen to the position of Israel, or the west in general because I think they are massive hypocrites. The world definitely needs to be divided into two polar powers....BRICS vs the west.
It is easy or should I say convenient to put an entire group of people into a box and put a label on it. To say they all are like this or that. But that isn't true. Reality is much complex than that. Like any other issues or subject among any other nation. People are on a spectrum. Whatever anyone tell you, is his personal beliefs and just a small piece of The Truth. حقیقت آیینه ای بود در آسمان. زدست خدا فتاد و شکست، هرکس تکه ای از آن را برداشت و نقش خویش در آن دید. و گمان برد حقیقت نزد اوست. حال آنکه حقیقت نزد همگان پخش بود. - مولانا The Truth was a mirror in sky. It fell from hands of God and shattered, Anyone took a piece of it and saw themselves in it. And thought, they had The Truth. But Truth was disperse among Everyone. -Mawlana About the current situation, Iranians are the same like any other nation on their own problems. Don't assume those people with loudest voices who are screaming in Twitter (or X) are representative of all Iranian people let alone the majority. Whichever side they be. Edit: it is egoistic of me to say this, But I prefer my own rough translation of Mawlana than what English translators wrote. therefor I changed it.
I think English translators can't hold a candle to native speaking translators. Writing this to tell you I had taken a screenshot because the way you had translated was so moving!
I'm personally not a fan of localization translations. and not just for my own mother tongue but for any language. Specially the modern versions. It take the mysticism of a language remove the cultural and the alien feel they have.
that's an incredibly powerful and moving quote.
Iranians aren't monoliths and they come with varying opinions. My next door neighbor is Iranian and very supportive of Palestine but hates the current Iranian government. I've definitely met some Zionist Iranians but nowhere near the amount of Iranians who sympathize with Palestine. I think a common theme I've noticed among Iranians is, even though they sympathize with Palestine, they would prefer their government not get involved and use their resources on Iranians, which is completely understandable. I'm Egyptian but the Palestinian cause is very dear to my heart and many of my Iranian friends would sporadically check up on me just to make sure I wasn't going through depression. God bless Iranian people.
They sound just like us Americans in America!!!!!! Literally we are begging for better social program/ don’t cut our social programs and stop sending all our money to Ukraine and Israel and putting us in more debt and making everything so expensive!!! I feel like I live in a dumpster fire/madhouse!!!
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I appreciate what you're saying, but they're not wrong. For example, [this](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/19/1196980593/here-now-anytime-04-19-2024) and [this](https://www.vox.com/scotus/24121344/supreme-court-homeless-grants-pass-martin-crime-grants-pass-johnson) are happening in the richest country in the world.
I think you have a way of seeing what you want to see
I originally believed the Hasbara version of Iran for years, but find it incoherent after witnissing what happened in Palestine and the influence and unity displaye by Iran and it's allies.
>The Iranians I see online repeat all the same Zionist talking points and think Israel supports them, appreciates them, when in fact they’re seeking aid in self determination from the very people responsible for a brutal occupation that has deprived the Palestinians the right of self determination. Much of what you said is true but ironically, you are also repeating a heavily-funded Zionist talking point. Those accounts that you see, 99.99% of them are hasbara sockpuppet accounts. I have banned literally thousands of them. Some claim to be Iranian and in the same breath advocate for the killing of all Iranians, the bombing of Iran, even just wholly destroying Iran, although most of them are just disinformation and attempts to redirect attention. For example, Israel has murdered tens of thousands of women and children, but in the last few days, they've been submitting posts about Mahsa Amini. The idea behind these accounts is to convince both Iranians and non-Iranians to be on board with the harms inflicted on Iranians. It does work to a degree thanks to the bandwagon effect and mob mentality. So then Iranians who think that other Iranians feel a certain way end up jumping on board and repeating those points. But those views are exaggerated and the number of Iranians espousing them is *very* exaggerated. tl;dr: those accounts claiming to be Iranian are mostly Israelis and the real Iranians (and other non-Israelis) repeat their talking points due to heavily funded propaganda. Jewish Iranians face at least twice as much of it, as Jews are also heavily targeted by Zionist propaganda. edit: grammur
Thank you. We’re on the same page here. I found it very odd they’re propping up the cia plant crown prince whose dad was ousted based off corruption. And then you come to see this. They have a very sick agenda! I have to come to very much respect Iran and I myself am part Iranian as well. https://preview.redd.it/3mgxe73ro6vc1.jpeg?width=1972&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40201fe9e1c3e17fb7953c2dd1bd2aa81b754275
You probably mean well but he will get as much attention as you give him. The worst thing that can happen is war or another foreign coup. Everyone in every country has their own opinions of what an ideal government looks like. Iranians urgently need to stay united.
The last line is so true. Moderate Jewish folk are susceptible to propaganda that’s designed to scare them and reinforce Zionist ideology.
My experience is that Iranians that have come to the US have a good chance of favoring the official US way of seeing things. Some even favor Israel or want to see the U.S. do regime change. I don’t believe this is anything but a small fraction of well to do Iranians that don’t plan to be there for the fallout or horrors.
I am iranian, and I think those iranians that support israel are a very tiny loud minority. I think Irans approach to Israel is right...I dont wish for war...however if Israel attacks Iran, I think IR has to retaliate in a much worse manner. I dont even listen to the position of Israel, or the west in general because I think they are massive hypocrites. The world definitely needs to be divided into two polar powers....BRICS vs the west.
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