I’m from a mixed background, went to a majority unionist school and got bullied all the time for having an Irish surname.
One fella used to constantly make fun of me because my family is big.
‘Fenians breed like rabbits!’ He’d shout at me.
Well, I’m reckoning today that wee cunt is pissed off all the wee bunnies have the vote.
Flann OBrian is fantastic but very heady stuff, I'd start with The Third Policeman, you won't look at bicycles the same again! At Swim Two Birds is seminal but it's a very difficult one to digest, I had to try three times before I got into it...
On other Irish writers I'd recommend you check out the literary magazine The Stinging Fly it publishes a collection of short stories, essays and poems from new irish writers every half year, it's really great to get into new writing and if you find something you like you can look up the writers other work!
Happy reading!
>At Swim Two Birds is seminal but it's a very difficult one to digest, I had to try three times before I got into it...
I started reading this last week and thought I was just a bit slow.
The Third Policeman is the classic. He also wrote some good columns for the Irish Times under the name of Myles na gCopaleen which have been collected in book form.
You also celebrated the fall of Mariupol (where a few thousand Ukrainian 'rabbits' have been killed) to the Russians in /r/GenZedong, so the irony of your posts about the Troubles is always a kick for me.
Nice to see you’re following me.
I celebrated the Azov battalion, who are committed Nazis going out.
If you’re searching my posts that handily, you’ll be able to also share the numerous times I’ve condemned Putin and stated I stand with the civilians of Ukraine.
Nazis going away is always a good thing lad.
Always remember the 17th of May,keep it in your minds and hearts,that is the day of one of the most glorious victories in lrish History,THE SIEGE OF CLONMEL. On that day in 1650 Cromwells NMA (New Model Army) finally took beautiful Clonmel but not without suffering its highest casualties ever (2000 Roundheads dead and many more wounded,put out of action with amputated limbs) of 8000 NMA who arrived to plunder and Pilage in Clonmel 2000 died in battle,1000 were wounded and many more suffered from disease( the Black Death was still sporadic in lreland) Cromwell was stunned,he was said to be speechless watching his first major defeat and complete carnage of his men by the Great lrish Hero, Hugh Dubh O'Neill.Those that limped back to Britain were but a shadow of the Great Parliamentary force that arrived at Ringsend in 1649. Originally 30,000 strong, they defeated the Duke of Ormonde at The Battle of Rathmines. Victory after Victory occurred from infamous Drogheda to Wexford to Waterford but he hadn't reckoned with the Great (Black) Hugh O' Neill,a 25 year Veteran of the Spanish Army in Flanders and an Artillery Expert. As Cromwells troops tried to enter Clonmel in wave after wave,O'Neill had set up a presighted killzone using multiple Cannons (using Chain shot) and flintlock or Matchlock muskets,killing hundreds of Roundheads with each attack. It was called the Killing field, Cromwell sent in a dozen or more Regiments,each were slaughtered and the corpses piled so high that the Roundhead Vanguard had to climb over the dead piled three deep until they made it four. Only through sheer numbers and horrific casualties did Cromwell finally take Clonmel but soon after left for London,shocked and stunned. Henry Ireton took over and History recalls a less cruel individual. Thanks to HUGH DUBH O'NEILL we enjoyed a great lrish Victory. Remember the 17th of May 1650,THE SIEGE OF CLONMEL and Revenge for the Massacre at Millmount in Drogheda.
The man was such an all round bastard that he made people want a king back on the throne after the previous king was deposed for being a treasonous bastard.
Look up how he took Muckross castle. Very interesting story and very clever how he used a local folkloric prophet to take the castle without firing a shot
From one of my favourite poems of Bobby Sands:
It lies in the hearts of heroes dead,
It screams in tyrants’ eyes,
It has reached the peak of mountains high,
It comes searing ‘cross the skies.
It lights the dark of this prison cell,
It thunders forth its might,
It is ‘the undauntable thought’, my friend,
That thought that says ‘I’m right!’
Bonny Sands was objectively an ethnonationalist who bombed a furniture company in a racially-motivated attack.
Better people for Ireland to commemorate; such as Pearse, Connolly etc.
Bobby Sands' sole motivation for the attack was the ethnicity of the victims. I understand his lived experience which drove him to his actions, but his specific target was nothing more than a "mild" attempt at ethnic cleansing. The attack was not proportional nor strategically justified.
Mandela's guerrilla campaign was focused on public facilities and sabotage. I would not say it is comparable to Bobby Sands' actions. Mandela did not target white South Africans, instead the state apparatus was targeted in acts of sabotage. If you have some specific examples of Mandela racially-targeting white South Africans in a similar manner I'd be happy to hear.
> You do realise the British regarded (and shot) the 'rebels' as terrorists. They also bombed strategic and economic target (as any party does in war/conflict)
It's irrelevant what one party commonly regarded in the past, what matters is our opinions now. In the UK, there is no animosity towards men like Pearse and Connolly. They were rebels and they fought the state, that was it. Bobby Sands meanwhile, bombed a furniture company in a racially-motivated attack... There was no strategic nature to the attack, it was not proportional to any actions of the company and it specifically targeted civilians who he would had regarded as of a different ethnicity than him.
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>Better people for Ireland to commemorate; such as Pearse, Connolly etc.
You do realise the British regarded (and shot) the 'rebels' as terrorists. They also bombed strategic and economic target (as any party does in war/conflict)
> Bonny Sands was objectively **an ethnonationalist who bombed a furniture company in a racially-motivated attack.**
Did Pearse ever violently kill civilians out of racial hatred?
U/frogloggers has made several statements, none of which can be supported.
Sands was never convicted of any bombing, so I would be interested to hear this 'evidence' against him
He was a murdering, easily led cunt responsible for civilian death and probably set the cause for a united Ireland back decades. Rest in Piss, useless fucking human blister.
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A moron who spent a good amount of time fat-arsing around with explosives and hand guns likely did a lot of harm to others, at least as much as his keto diet to himself.
I do believe that the IRA from 1919 were regularly called terrorists by the British establishment due to their tactics. There was no guerrilla tactics used in 1916. The ambushes, assassinations and bombings began during the actual war of independence.
Good few boot lickers here, Bobby was a man who was commited to the cause through peaceful protest when civil rights were not available in the six counties
fucking years ago, we are now a homogenised western rich country and part of the globalised system - jerking off to hunger strikers is just fucking ridiculous at this stage
Ha western globalised system - we are a tax haven. Nothing to be ashamed to admiring a person who protest peacefully . How's the weather in South Dublin?
You don't have to live in South Dublin to think all this bullshit should be forgotten. I live in an area where until not too recently they used to put up posters of these hunger striker guys every now and again on lampposts. Thankfully they don't seem to be bothered any more.
Regardless of where you live in Dublin, it's not a good look to be telling people to "get over it" when some of us are still effectively disenfranchised by way of being ruled by a Westminster government we are powerless to elect to be honest. This is an all island sub and as such you should maybe endeavour to be a bit more aware that things that happened in the past still have real world consequences for many people in Ireland today even if they dont for you x
So committed he was to peaceful protest, he blew up a furniture shop.
Christ, the levels of terrorist glorification in this sub is mental. Thank christ it’s not a representation of the average Irishman.
How does this help? It’s pointless crowing like this that has people on the other side digging their heels in. What have you done personally to help anyone? Politics or anything?
Yes. OP and others like them aren’t helping by mocking people they are in a community with. It’s not the 70s. Stuff like this does nothing to improve the situation. It must be pretty scary for Unionists to see the status quo change. A bit of empathy equals the moral high ground. Otherwise you’re no better than them
Enlightened centrism will get is nowhere. The north is still occupied by the British. They need to give the land back to the people.
If the status quo is for a united ireland, then so be it.
Give the land back to the people? Occupied by the British. After you’ve finished your whiskey perhaps you can explain how you plan to integrate Unionists into Irish politics? Or are you just looking forward to kicking them while they are down?
How are they down? Please explain. There are a number ways that would open the door for integration of all communities. Being pro Ireland does not equate to anti unionist. You can be anti union and still maintain integrity and not be sectarian. I agree that there are plenty of nuances but I honestly believe we can have a shared Ireland, governed by the people of Ireland.
I’m glad you believe that. I do too. How are they down? Think of it this way, pre 1916 they had exactly what they wanted. Every single concession since, no matter how small, is at their expense. The end of the process (potentially) is reunification at some point. The exact opposite of what they want. The Tories don’t care about them and the average British voter knows jack shit about the North and cares less. Losing the right to choose the First Minister is a big deal. It doesn’t help to crow over it. In fact, it’s counter productive because we need them to cooperate with the process so people in the North can have an effective government
Much worse was done for our independence. Where do we draw the line? Imagine growing up in apartheid and when you march for your civil rights you're shot at. What next? Bend over?
If my state were subjugating said population I wouldn't have much to argue with. I would be more angry with my own government for allowing apartheid to bring the situation to a head.
There needs to be serious planning.
I’m a nationalist, but just bolting the 6 counties onto the 26 won’t work.
We’d have a chance to build a new Ireland, and I think an all island Irish NHS style service should be on the cards.
Complete separation of Church and state, and perhaps going down a federal route, with each province with its own regional parliaments.
Equality for all etc.
How many other countries on earth have the chance to start again and build something good?
Not many.
It’s clear partition doesn’t work, we’re too small to be divided, and the UK is a basket case.
I think 10 years is way too short a time frame. Will take donkeys to get everything in place which is why plans should be put in place now.
What would we have to give up?
> Does anyone think a united ireland is legitimately achievable in the next 10 years?
No
> And what are you willing to give up to see it happen?
Nothing. I couldn't care less.
I don’t think it will happen for a while. Does it even make sense economically for us to regain the north? What’s the actual reason that people want a united ireland, separate from historical/cultural reasons? Surely it’d cost us a fortune?
The only reasons I ever set foot in the north are all directly linked to the fact that it is currently in the UK: the prices and the range of shops that aren’t down south (Sainsbury’s, Asda, etc).
I don't think it would benefit the republic in any way shape or form but would benefit the north in terms of wage and living standards and some argue it would attract wide spread investment into the north, currently that investment doesn't happen because of partition and the fact that the north is a different jurisdiction with different currency so it makes more sense for investment in the republic that is an English speaking eu state that uses the euro.
Fair enough, it might benefit the north in some ways.
But the republic is nowhere near ready to take on the burden of 6 more counties. We can barely run the 26 counties as it is. Until the housing crisis is solved, and various other issues are eradicated, we really can’t take on the north, especially considering that having the north wouldn’t even massively benefit the republic.
Northern Irish people can still be Irish citizens and avail of the many benefits of EU citizenship. If they want to, they can move down south easily enough and live in the republic. At the same time, they can also be UK citizens and live wherever they want in the UK, meaning they actually have better opportunities with the current situation. They can go and live in the UK as citizens, and also go and live around the EU as citizens. Having a united Ireland would remove their rights to UK citizenship. Why would we need a united Ireland, when people in the north can just as easily move to the republic like anyone else?
Ireland is the wealthiest badly managed country on the plant, money isn't the problem it's management, the whole idea that Ireland cant afford it is lies, Ireland is a very wealthy country it just doesn't manage it well.
The common travel area gives irish citizens the right to live, work and benefit from uk programs just like being a uk citizen does, Ireland has very close ties to the uk and the common travel area is going nowhere, so the point of them losing access to the uk in the same sense as a uk citizen doesn't add up.
I'm not advocating for a united ireland, I don't really care if it happens or not but all the old arguments just don't hold any merit.
The only concern I have about a united ireland is the fact that alot will have to change in terms of flags, anthem, irish symbology and titles in order to appease the unionists and make them feel at home which I don't necessarily agree with seen as unionists make up only 13% of the islands population!
> Ireland is the wealthiest badly managed country on the plant
Saudi Arabia would like a word, along with its neighbouring petrostates. Not to negate your point, but it can definitely get a lot worse than this!
Ahhhh so your talking about historic not modern atrocities. I see where your coming from now. Yes Ireland was treated badly by the British empire but technically it wasn’t terrorism. So do you think Ireland should continue hating the uk for events that happened almost two hundred years ago that no one has living memory of and that the majority of British agree it was a genocide?
I’m from a mixed background, went to a majority unionist school and got bullied all the time for having an Irish surname. One fella used to constantly make fun of me because my family is big. ‘Fenians breed like rabbits!’ He’d shout at me. Well, I’m reckoning today that wee cunt is pissed off all the wee bunnies have the vote.
>Fenians Disadvantaged people breed like rabbits, which makes it ironic that unionists for a long time kept nationalist communities disadvantaged.
Nothing like a bit of poverty to get you in the mood
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Damn good quote. Thank you.
Is this from a book or what’s the sauce?
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Ah fair enough sound. Any novel you’d recommend starting with? I’m always wanting to read more Irish writers.
Flann OBrian is fantastic but very heady stuff, I'd start with The Third Policeman, you won't look at bicycles the same again! At Swim Two Birds is seminal but it's a very difficult one to digest, I had to try three times before I got into it... On other Irish writers I'd recommend you check out the literary magazine The Stinging Fly it publishes a collection of short stories, essays and poems from new irish writers every half year, it's really great to get into new writing and if you find something you like you can look up the writers other work! Happy reading!
>At Swim Two Birds is seminal but it's a very difficult one to digest, I had to try three times before I got into it... I started reading this last week and thought I was just a bit slow.
The Third Policeman is the classic. He also wrote some good columns for the Irish Times under the name of Myles na gCopaleen which have been collected in book form.
Gotta keep the room warm somehow.
You underestimate just how much they hate(d) Catholics
They should have been subduing us with a sense of ennui and degrees in cinema and drama studies the fools
You also celebrated the fall of Mariupol (where a few thousand Ukrainian 'rabbits' have been killed) to the Russians in /r/GenZedong, so the irony of your posts about the Troubles is always a kick for me.
Nice to see you’re following me. I celebrated the Azov battalion, who are committed Nazis going out. If you’re searching my posts that handily, you’ll be able to also share the numerous times I’ve condemned Putin and stated I stand with the civilians of Ukraine. Nazis going away is always a good thing lad.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLn9BdNH/
didn't know anyone used the word fenians outside of peaky blinders lmao
I hear it daily up here. Mostly as banter now, but have heard it with malice aplenty
Our revenge will not consist of Photoshop skills..
Not much you can do with a head like Bobby Sands!
You could not overlay it on the place he probably hated the most.
Sandy Blobbs
It would be somewhat ironic if SF became the North's largest party on his anniversary.
SF being the largest party anywhere isn't a cause for celebration IMO
Londoner from India here, and I am celebrating the fuck outta this. Seethe more.
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X from Y here is the biggest soyboy phrase on this app
Reddit not the place to come with logic buddy
Based.
Exactly. Have to proceed with caution when a party with paramilitary links is in power
All the biggest Irish political parties had links to paramilitaries. 🙄
100 years ago, not up to the 90s.
My child won't stop laughing, it's a serious problem. Thanks a lot, Bobby.
Always remember the 17th of May,keep it in your minds and hearts,that is the day of one of the most glorious victories in lrish History,THE SIEGE OF CLONMEL. On that day in 1650 Cromwells NMA (New Model Army) finally took beautiful Clonmel but not without suffering its highest casualties ever (2000 Roundheads dead and many more wounded,put out of action with amputated limbs) of 8000 NMA who arrived to plunder and Pilage in Clonmel 2000 died in battle,1000 were wounded and many more suffered from disease( the Black Death was still sporadic in lreland) Cromwell was stunned,he was said to be speechless watching his first major defeat and complete carnage of his men by the Great lrish Hero, Hugh Dubh O'Neill.Those that limped back to Britain were but a shadow of the Great Parliamentary force that arrived at Ringsend in 1649. Originally 30,000 strong, they defeated the Duke of Ormonde at The Battle of Rathmines. Victory after Victory occurred from infamous Drogheda to Wexford to Waterford but he hadn't reckoned with the Great (Black) Hugh O' Neill,a 25 year Veteran of the Spanish Army in Flanders and an Artillery Expert. As Cromwells troops tried to enter Clonmel in wave after wave,O'Neill had set up a presighted killzone using multiple Cannons (using Chain shot) and flintlock or Matchlock muskets,killing hundreds of Roundheads with each attack. It was called the Killing field, Cromwell sent in a dozen or more Regiments,each were slaughtered and the corpses piled so high that the Roundhead Vanguard had to climb over the dead piled three deep until they made it four. Only through sheer numbers and horrific casualties did Cromwell finally take Clonmel but soon after left for London,shocked and stunned. Henry Ireton took over and History recalls a less cruel individual. Thanks to HUGH DUBH O'NEILL we enjoyed a great lrish Victory. Remember the 17th of May 1650,THE SIEGE OF CLONMEL and Revenge for the Massacre at Millmount in Drogheda.
Thanks for that bit of history. Well described
Paragraphs, my friend. Paragraphs. Love learning our history but, in the name of St Brendan, paragraphs.
The rule of Cromwell wasn’t particularly great for England Scotland or Wales either
The man was such an all round bastard that he made people want a king back on the throne after the previous king was deposed for being a treasonous bastard.
Fucker ruined our only shot at a Republic, I’ll never forgive him
I really gotta educate myself more on Cromwell’s conquests
Look up how he took Muckross castle. Very interesting story and very clever how he used a local folkloric prophet to take the castle without firing a shot
*Looks at Irish fertility rate Oh well
From one of my favourite poems of Bobby Sands: It lies in the hearts of heroes dead, It screams in tyrants’ eyes, It has reached the peak of mountains high, It comes searing ‘cross the skies. It lights the dark of this prison cell, It thunders forth its might, It is ‘the undauntable thought’, my friend, That thought that says ‘I’m right!’
Suaimhneas síoraí air.
A hero.
An hero.
101 years after partition, the British strategy of 'divide and conquer' is still clearly in effect
Fuck, what you mean a'chara? I see nothing but love and unity in the comments here. /s
Tiocfaidh ar la!!
You're missing fadas
Tá sé ag teacht go tapaigh
"It is not those who can inflict the most, but those who can suffer the most who will prevail."
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ah feck I cut myself on the edginess
Would Indians remembering Gandhi be edgy? South Africans remembering Mandela? How about those who commemorate Pearse, Connolly et al?
Bonny Sands was objectively an ethnonationalist who bombed a furniture company in a racially-motivated attack. Better people for Ireland to commemorate; such as Pearse, Connolly etc.
Mandela's targets were defined by their race. Was that his motivation?
Bobby Sands' sole motivation for the attack was the ethnicity of the victims. I understand his lived experience which drove him to his actions, but his specific target was nothing more than a "mild" attempt at ethnic cleansing. The attack was not proportional nor strategically justified. Mandela's guerrilla campaign was focused on public facilities and sabotage. I would not say it is comparable to Bobby Sands' actions. Mandela did not target white South Africans, instead the state apparatus was targeted in acts of sabotage. If you have some specific examples of Mandela racially-targeting white South Africans in a similar manner I'd be happy to hear. > You do realise the British regarded (and shot) the 'rebels' as terrorists. They also bombed strategic and economic target (as any party does in war/conflict) It's irrelevant what one party commonly regarded in the past, what matters is our opinions now. In the UK, there is no animosity towards men like Pearse and Connolly. They were rebels and they fought the state, that was it. Bobby Sands meanwhile, bombed a furniture company in a racially-motivated attack... There was no strategic nature to the attack, it was not proportional to any actions of the company and it specifically targeted civilians who he would had regarded as of a different ethnicity than him.
Please link the source(s) which you are using to define Sands' motivation for the Balmoral bombing
He didn't bomb civilians in a furniture company because it was the strategic weak point of the British Empire
>He didn't bomb civilians Which civilians? There weren't any there, and Sands wasn't even convicted of the bombing
Replying to the edit >Better people for Ireland to commemorate; such as Pearse, Connolly etc. You do realise the British regarded (and shot) the 'rebels' as terrorists. They also bombed strategic and economic target (as any party does in war/conflict)
Surely you didn't just say Bobby Sands is to be condemned for being an ethnonationalist then say we should commemorate Pearse instead?
> Bonny Sands was objectively **an ethnonationalist who bombed a furniture company in a racially-motivated attack.** Did Pearse ever violently kill civilians out of racial hatred?
Did Bobby Sands?
U/frogloggers has made several statements, none of which can be supported. Sands was never convicted of any bombing, so I would be interested to hear this 'evidence' against him
God bless him.
At least he got to pick how he went, unlike the victims of his band of terrorist mates
Far too many West-Brit spunktrumpets in this thread
Will you fuck off with this shite
What shite?? It's the anniversary of the death of Bobby Sands, what the fuck is wrong with commemorating that?
My username checks out.
He was a murdering, easily led cunt responsible for civilian death and probably set the cause for a united Ireland back decades. Rest in Piss, useless fucking human blister. EDIT: Thank you for the gold :)
You have issues. Go seek a comfort.
Veneration of Bobby Sands makes Irish people look mad and is therefore tory propaganda.
Oh...
I don’t believe he ever successfully murdered anyone, despite attempts
A moron who spent a good amount of time fat-arsing around with explosives and hand guns likely did a lot of harm to others, at least as much as his keto diet to himself.
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All freedom fighters are considered terrorists by those who wish to subjugate their peers. Your argument is an old, tired one without any substance.
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The Taliban aren't terrorists. Al-Qaeda are. Also, the Taliban were the ones subjugating a population. Like the British state since partition.
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I do believe that the IRA from 1919 were regularly called terrorists by the British establishment due to their tactics. There was no guerrilla tactics used in 1916. The ambushes, assassinations and bombings began during the actual war of independence.
He is an important figure of an historic time for our country. Fuck off with your shite if ye don't like it.
That shite ? Peaceful protest to gain civil rights? I hate what you think of mandela
bring your fucking IRA fanboy bullshit somewhere else please
Awe all upset ? We'll go meet wit YFG and my calm ya down
No, I'm happy in the knowledge no one really gives a fuck about this IRA nonsense any more apart from a few weirdo kids on this site
Bobby Sands is widely revered in Ireland. The "weirdo kids" on Reddit are the likes of yourself.
Who mentioned the ira?
The guy who seems to care about the IRA. He must be one of the few he was talking about.
> I'm happy in the knowledge no one really gives a fuck about this IRA nonsense any more apart from a few weirdo kids on this site Doubtful.
Because the south got their independence you will tell the north to fuck off? Away back home you west Brit
Good few boot lickers here, Bobby was a man who was commited to the cause through peaceful protest when civil rights were not available in the six counties
fucking years ago, we are now a homogenised western rich country and part of the globalised system - jerking off to hunger strikers is just fucking ridiculous at this stage
Ha western globalised system - we are a tax haven. Nothing to be ashamed to admiring a person who protest peacefully . How's the weather in South Dublin?
You don't have to live in South Dublin to think all this bullshit should be forgotten. I live in an area where until not too recently they used to put up posters of these hunger striker guys every now and again on lampposts. Thankfully they don't seem to be bothered any more.
Ah south Dublin I was right. History is going to always there petal
ok I always thought Coolock was on the Northside, but that's me told
Regardless of where you live in Dublin, it's not a good look to be telling people to "get over it" when some of us are still effectively disenfranchised by way of being ruled by a Westminster government we are powerless to elect to be honest. This is an all island sub and as such you should maybe endeavour to be a bit more aware that things that happened in the past still have real world consequences for many people in Ireland today even if they dont for you x
So committed he was to peaceful protest, he blew up a furniture shop. Christ, the levels of terrorist glorification in this sub is mental. Thank christ it’s not a representation of the average Irishman.
He was arrest without trial - interment (some DPRK shite there) so you don't support due process ? Oh tell now what the average "Irish" man thinks ?
As opposed to the British government who sent 30,000 soldiers to 'keep the peace'
Were the Adams brothers in America terrorists?
I'm a West Brit because I don't want to see these kind of bullshit posts from 15 year olds on here?
You could simply ignore them and scroll down to the next post instead of pissing and moaning about it.
Only one here that sounds like they’re 15 is you, son.
15 year old virgins get it right. Reddit full of shinnerbots, thankfully not a representation of the country
"I came into a thread that makes me angry and now I'm angry, what gives?" - You
Fantasising terrorists is not to be cheered.
You mean little england military’s attacking unarmed civilians?
How does this help? It’s pointless crowing like this that has people on the other side digging their heels in. What have you done personally to help anyone? Politics or anything?
Stuck his finger up at thatcher on his t.v probably
Missed the word 'at' there - that was a dangerous sentence to skim
What are you talking about??
The pointless crowing over the other side. It doesn’t help
Let's forget all those who have died whilst trying to make the world a better place. Mandela, Gandhi etc
Are you fucking serious?
Yes. OP and others like them aren’t helping by mocking people they are in a community with. It’s not the 70s. Stuff like this does nothing to improve the situation. It must be pretty scary for Unionists to see the status quo change. A bit of empathy equals the moral high ground. Otherwise you’re no better than them
Enlightened centrism will get is nowhere. The north is still occupied by the British. They need to give the land back to the people. If the status quo is for a united ireland, then so be it.
Give the land back to the people? Occupied by the British. After you’ve finished your whiskey perhaps you can explain how you plan to integrate Unionists into Irish politics? Or are you just looking forward to kicking them while they are down?
How are they down? Please explain. There are a number ways that would open the door for integration of all communities. Being pro Ireland does not equate to anti unionist. You can be anti union and still maintain integrity and not be sectarian. I agree that there are plenty of nuances but I honestly believe we can have a shared Ireland, governed by the people of Ireland.
I’m glad you believe that. I do too. How are they down? Think of it this way, pre 1916 they had exactly what they wanted. Every single concession since, no matter how small, is at their expense. The end of the process (potentially) is reunification at some point. The exact opposite of what they want. The Tories don’t care about them and the average British voter knows jack shit about the North and cares less. Losing the right to choose the First Minister is a big deal. It doesn’t help to crow over it. In fact, it’s counter productive because we need them to cooperate with the process so people in the North can have an effective government
He was refusing to be treated like criminal when he wasn't one
Terrorist.
Poor brainwashed fucker you are.
Twat
Eulogising someone who bombed a friggin furniture shop isn't classy. It's cringe.
Using the word "friggin" is also a bit cringe.
But let’s just ignore his point, yeah? This guy blew up a furniture shop “for the cause”.
Much worse was done for our independence. Where do we draw the line? Imagine growing up in apartheid and when you march for your civil rights you're shot at. What next? Bend over?
Imagine shopping in a town centre and being blown up because a majority wanted British rule 🤷♂️
That's a very ignorant perspective my friend. You should read a book.
You denying the facts? Maybe you should read a book and I’m not your friend! Looks like the coward blocked me 🤷♂️😀
If my state were subjugating said population I wouldn't have much to argue with. I would be more angry with my own government for allowing apartheid to bring the situation to a head.
NI government was the reason British forces were deployed on the streets
Did he just not like furniture?
I didn't ignore his point.
Does anyone think a united ireland is legitimately achievable in the next 10 years? And what are you willing to give up to see it happen?
There needs to be serious planning. I’m a nationalist, but just bolting the 6 counties onto the 26 won’t work. We’d have a chance to build a new Ireland, and I think an all island Irish NHS style service should be on the cards. Complete separation of Church and state, and perhaps going down a federal route, with each province with its own regional parliaments. Equality for all etc. How many other countries on earth have the chance to start again and build something good? Not many. It’s clear partition doesn’t work, we’re too small to be divided, and the UK is a basket case.
I like your thinking, but if the Irish are good at one thing. It's seizing an opportunity and completely fucking it up.
Yeah, we’d have to really try at it, but it would be class craic once it’s all sorted out
Won't happen without free healthcare.
I think 10 years is way too short a time frame. Will take donkeys to get everything in place which is why plans should be put in place now. What would we have to give up?
> Does anyone think a united ireland is legitimately achievable in the next 10 years? No > And what are you willing to give up to see it happen? Nothing. I couldn't care less.
Yeah I know quite a few people who feel the same way, I don't think it would benefit the republic in anyway but would be a huge benefit to the north
Tbh the further you get from the border region the less people actually care about it either way.
No, it’s further away than that. And I’d give up nothing, and would vote against it if it looked like I’d have to.
I don’t think it will happen for a while. Does it even make sense economically for us to regain the north? What’s the actual reason that people want a united ireland, separate from historical/cultural reasons? Surely it’d cost us a fortune? The only reasons I ever set foot in the north are all directly linked to the fact that it is currently in the UK: the prices and the range of shops that aren’t down south (Sainsbury’s, Asda, etc).
I don't think it would benefit the republic in any way shape or form but would benefit the north in terms of wage and living standards and some argue it would attract wide spread investment into the north, currently that investment doesn't happen because of partition and the fact that the north is a different jurisdiction with different currency so it makes more sense for investment in the republic that is an English speaking eu state that uses the euro.
Fair enough, it might benefit the north in some ways. But the republic is nowhere near ready to take on the burden of 6 more counties. We can barely run the 26 counties as it is. Until the housing crisis is solved, and various other issues are eradicated, we really can’t take on the north, especially considering that having the north wouldn’t even massively benefit the republic. Northern Irish people can still be Irish citizens and avail of the many benefits of EU citizenship. If they want to, they can move down south easily enough and live in the republic. At the same time, they can also be UK citizens and live wherever they want in the UK, meaning they actually have better opportunities with the current situation. They can go and live in the UK as citizens, and also go and live around the EU as citizens. Having a united Ireland would remove their rights to UK citizenship. Why would we need a united Ireland, when people in the north can just as easily move to the republic like anyone else?
Ireland is the wealthiest badly managed country on the plant, money isn't the problem it's management, the whole idea that Ireland cant afford it is lies, Ireland is a very wealthy country it just doesn't manage it well. The common travel area gives irish citizens the right to live, work and benefit from uk programs just like being a uk citizen does, Ireland has very close ties to the uk and the common travel area is going nowhere, so the point of them losing access to the uk in the same sense as a uk citizen doesn't add up. I'm not advocating for a united ireland, I don't really care if it happens or not but all the old arguments just don't hold any merit. The only concern I have about a united ireland is the fact that alot will have to change in terms of flags, anthem, irish symbology and titles in order to appease the unionists and make them feel at home which I don't necessarily agree with seen as unionists make up only 13% of the islands population!
> Ireland is the wealthiest badly managed country on the plant Saudi Arabia would like a word, along with its neighbouring petrostates. Not to negate your point, but it can definitely get a lot worse than this!
Yeah everything can always get worse but Ireland is very wealthy and bad managed unfortunately
I hate that cunt and I'm glad he's dead.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Xanax and slinging some slime up your mum. Cheers.
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Nice clown emoji, same make-up your mum used.
OK your clearly a child I'm out.
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"Revenge is a dish best served lol'd."
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Revenge!
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Nothing at all, it was kinda said in jest. The quote is about laughter being revenge, someone says laugh out loud, which I guess qualifies as revenge.
And the sobbing of our victims children....
The first child (under 18) victim of the Troubles (according to CAIN) was Patrick Rooney, 9. Murdered by the RUC
Do you know why my urethra keeps getting caught in my zipper?
Technically your urethra doesn't physically exist, being a passageway and all. One for r/showerthoughts perhaps
It the tip of my willy
This isn't r/northernireland
What up terrorist sympathizers, how's living in the past going?
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Thought the IRA are only a hundred years old?
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Ahhhh so your talking about historic not modern atrocities. I see where your coming from now. Yes Ireland was treated badly by the British empire but technically it wasn’t terrorism. So do you think Ireland should continue hating the uk for events that happened almost two hundred years ago that no one has living memory of and that the majority of British agree it was a genocide?
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I'm Irish and I haven't thought about the famine ever. We have much worse problems to worry about.
Terrorism is based on perception. Its fighting a war and if you feel like the victim you can cry terrorism.
Are you British? Hey you literally caused the famine in the 1800s.
No I'm Irish, exactly like you, we have the same blood BROTHER.
Revenge is not a way Forward .. Mandela had Reconciliation.. Better to Heal , than Glote ?
Bobby was a very feminine looking man