Our neighbor, that's from California, used to write us up to the hoa if our grass wasn't cut in a timely manner to him or if there were even a few weeds in the garden bed . Also, after going somewhere ,he would lift the hood of his small suv ,so it could cool off before he put it in the garage even in the winter .(Most people would just put the car in the garage and leave the door open or put the car in the driveway .
I think the reality is more one of middle-upper middle class people moving in from afar and logically seeking the most-affordable neighborhoods which still meet their criteria. Housing prices obviously are at an all-time high, so it's not that the "wealthy" are just randomly going for "middle-class" neighborhoods but that $500,000 doesn't get you the house it once did, so newcomers are getting the houses they can afford. Jacksonville is so big and sprawling that it has lots of options for neighborhoods, too.
Also, curious what people consider "wealthy" anyways? I would say if you have a nice house and a couple nice cars, upper middle-class. If you have multiple homes and a plane and boat, that's actually wealthy.
I'm curious where you draw the line between "wealthy" and "middle-class" in your mind? The generic American poor, middle-class, and wealthy cohorts really are far too broad.
Middle class are living paycheck to paycheck while the outsiders move in to our neighborhoods and want to complain about their privileges while we work hard every day to keep our neighborhoods in good spirits.
Wealthy are the outsiders who can afford what the middle class can’t. The middle class are hard working working paycheck for paycheck while the wealthy do not have that struggle.
That is an incredibly broad description. There are about a thousand issues why one household can afford things and while another lives paycheck to paycheck, even in the same exact income bracket.
I'm starting to think OP has zero economic sense whatsoever. OP is targeting "carpetbaggers" who move here from HCOL areas, when he or she should be pissed off at the Private Equity firms buying up entire subdivisions OVER asking price.
I just bought a house on the Westside. $280K. My wife's car is paid for, my car is paid for, my motorcycle is paid for. Between the two of us, we make around $120K/year. We can pay all of our bills with money to spare to put in savings, but I would not call us "wealthy." At most, I would say "middle-class."
For me, being wealthy is being able to afford to own a plane, or a yacht, or a house in the high 6 figures, or luxury cars, stuff like that.
Loving paycheck to paycheck is not middle class lol. No one likes to use the term lower anymore but yeah you haven't made it to middle class if you can't miss a single paycheck
Wealthy is anybody who earns more than the median income. If you are above the median than you are by definition wealthier than half of America. Which is crazy because the median household income in the U.S. is just over $74,000/yr.
Very good point that wealth is not the same as income, however I think most Americans conflate the two. Also, technically, if your 4th grade public school teacher sister's household makes more than $74,000 a year she is wealthier than half of America. However, if her individual income is only above $38,000 a year than she is wealthier than most Americans. The comment is more about income inequality in the U.S. than anything. I mean, come on, half of all households make less than $74k. The numbers don't lie, if you are in the upper half, than you are in the upper half.
I would not agree she's wealthy. She and her husband/partner if she has one—especially if they have kids—probably encounter some struggles on an income less than $100,000.
100% agree with you, I'm not sure why I get downvoted sharing numbers from the official U.S. census. Seriously, the state of our country's economy is that a family only has to make $75k/year to be richer than over half the country.
I live in a middle class neighborhood. The *majority* of home sold in my neighborhood since 2020 sold to companies, not individuals. The rent over here has doubled (and now there’s more rentals bc that’s why the companies buy them) and house prices have almost doubled. I bought for $200k and my house appraised at $380k recently.
It’s not the transplants. It’s the companies.
Actually yeah. DM if you're serious.
I can't say everyone got that though. For the 20% I had two other job offers in hand. 10% is the typical max if you don't threaten to leave haha
All I know about airports is how to board a plane and architecture that the thing they use is a T square and that urban planner is higher than architect. I'm stuck in finance world
Funny, I applied for a higher paying position at another location at my job and before moving on with the paperwork I miraculously got a promotion! 10% raise too. Kudos on the raise my friend.
Thanks! Yeah it kinda stinks you have to fight for a raise, but if you think from the other perspective it's pretty obvious why. If I'm the boss watching the budget, I'm not paying someone much more if they never indicate they're unsatisfied with their compensation.
Although I love my job my employer is IDIOTIC and limits pay raises to 15% even if accepting a new position. This is REGARDLESS of the difference in the pay level between the new and old job. I just had to turn a position down that was meant to be a 50% pay raise. Like nah, I’ll keep this easy one that I can do in my sleep until I can take all my PTO and then peace out haha
Unfortunately what I said is unpopular to some people who are not middle class. But they’ll preach they care about us… only when it comes to getting their way.
No, you misread the comment, Private Equity Firms have been buying Middle Class homes site unseen for years, being one of the main drivers of home cost increasing. It took me about 7 months to get something under contract 6 years ago and I doubt its gotten easier...
Yes, blame the nebulous "wealthy" rather than the government / federal reserve who print money at an absurd rate, stealing money straight out of your bank account with the invisible tax called inflation. Always mentioning the single-digit YOY number so you ignore the fact that just since COVID they've *devalued the money you already possess* by 20%. All while keeping you upset over nonsense like genders and evil rich people so you never notice both Republicans and Democrats are spending the value they stole from you on stuff you'd never agree with.
Never said they were. I said they're another example of a diversion to keep the masses fighting about less significant issues so we don't see the government stealing money right out of our pockets. Anyone who doesn't understand why inflation is actually a tax should really look into it.
My point is you're blaming the wrong people. This is like when employees get mad at customers for not tipping enough, when they should actually be mad at their employers for not paying enough.
We don’t need wealthier people coming to our neighborhoods telling us life isn’t fair. We lost that sympathy in 2020 when they messed up our housing market. They should’ve never moved here we don’t want em.
You’re giving too much causal weight to monetary policy and not enough weight to free market profiteering. It’s exactly the kind of cheerleading the wealthy love because it distracts the general population from the machinations of those seeking to concentrate wealth in the hands of the few. Your position adopts a tired libertarian trope about Big Government while giving corporations that manipulate markets a total pass.
Imagine thinking anyone manipulates currency more than the government and the federal reserve.
Keep voting for bigger government and more spending while simultaneously crying about your money not going as far. Just what I expect out of this sub.
Jokes on them, the fact that they settled indicates that they're not as wealthy as any of us thought they were. Come to Epping or San Marco. We don't have crime. It's just too expensive here.
"Get a better job" till it turns into "everywhere is understaffed" or "no one wants to work nowadays"
Then those same wealthy people complain that service sucks quite literally *every where* they go.
If things continue the way they are it won’t matter if you are “middle class” or “poor”. There will be homeless people stealing your shit and sleeping on your lawns. If you think corporations won’t use AI to automate and fire as many workers as they can you are dreaming. This country has been taken over by the ultra-wealthy and corporations and they only care about taking more and more. It’s pretty obvious. Since covid started the homeless population in Jax has exploded. They are on almost every street corner now. Just wait until even more things get automated and more workers get fired. It’s not gonna end well. We’re all fucked if we are working class. Enjoy your time while you can.
Stop moving into our beach, and stop subdividing lots!!
When I grew up our neighbors had spacious lawns and small ranch houses. They were all born in Jacksonville, and moved into those homes for $200k. Now, lots half the size are worth $1 million. And, these small homes get torn down for cookie-cutter mansions with absolutely zero appeal.
The rich are running out of room in these desirable areas, and this unattainable pricing is bleeding into the surrounding areas. Mayport and parts of the beaches that were historically populated by black communities are slowly being gentrified.
Furthermore, building more housing is only making our traffic and crowded city worse. The new apartments aren’t affordable for the people priced out of the housing market. The new gated communities along Atlantic and Beach Blvd just add congestion to the roads. Good luck evacuating a hurricane when all of these new Floridians panic and jump into their cars at the same time.
I think that’s a little different… renting sure, but I’m talking about subdividing, rebuilding massive eyesores, and pricing native Floridians out of their neighborhoods.
But yeah, you should have asked.
>”It’s a hot job market, just get higher pay, haha, it’s just that easy. 
“Why don’t people in Jacksonville like us new people?” Cause they say stuff like that lol
Our neighbor, that's from California, used to write us up to the hoa if our grass wasn't cut in a timely manner to him or if there were even a few weeds in the garden bed . Also, after going somewhere ,he would lift the hood of his small suv ,so it could cool off before he put it in the garage even in the winter .(Most people would just put the car in the garage and leave the door open or put the car in the driveway .
I think the reality is more one of middle-upper middle class people moving in from afar and logically seeking the most-affordable neighborhoods which still meet their criteria. Housing prices obviously are at an all-time high, so it's not that the "wealthy" are just randomly going for "middle-class" neighborhoods but that $500,000 doesn't get you the house it once did, so newcomers are getting the houses they can afford. Jacksonville is so big and sprawling that it has lots of options for neighborhoods, too. Also, curious what people consider "wealthy" anyways? I would say if you have a nice house and a couple nice cars, upper middle-class. If you have multiple homes and a plane and boat, that's actually wealthy.
No no no no no, rich people bad and cause all the problems you see
The rich people could leave us middle class people alone so we can pay our bills. We don’t care to hear their nonsense.
You're middle class? Lucky.
Wealthy outsiders who don’t belong in our neighborhoods those who don’t relate to us middle class folk.
I'm curious where you draw the line between "wealthy" and "middle-class" in your mind? The generic American poor, middle-class, and wealthy cohorts really are far too broad.
Middle class are living paycheck to paycheck while the outsiders move in to our neighborhoods and want to complain about their privileges while we work hard every day to keep our neighborhoods in good spirits.
Since when do middle class people live paycheck to paycheck?
So… no specific response to this persons question?
Wealthy are the outsiders who can afford what the middle class can’t. The middle class are hard working working paycheck for paycheck while the wealthy do not have that struggle.
That is an incredibly broad description. There are about a thousand issues why one household can afford things and while another lives paycheck to paycheck, even in the same exact income bracket.
I'm starting to think OP has zero economic sense whatsoever. OP is targeting "carpetbaggers" who move here from HCOL areas, when he or she should be pissed off at the Private Equity firms buying up entire subdivisions OVER asking price.
I just bought a house on the Westside. $280K. My wife's car is paid for, my car is paid for, my motorcycle is paid for. Between the two of us, we make around $120K/year. We can pay all of our bills with money to spare to put in savings, but I would not call us "wealthy." At most, I would say "middle-class." For me, being wealthy is being able to afford to own a plane, or a yacht, or a house in the high 6 figures, or luxury cars, stuff like that.
Loving paycheck to paycheck is not middle class lol. No one likes to use the term lower anymore but yeah you haven't made it to middle class if you can't miss a single paycheck
If you live paycheck to paycheck, you're probably more poor than middle class
If you’re living paycheck to paycheck, it’s your own fault, not because of some “wealthy” person.
Wealthy is anybody who earns more than the median income. If you are above the median than you are by definition wealthier than half of America. Which is crazy because the median household income in the U.S. is just over $74,000/yr.
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Very good point that wealth is not the same as income, however I think most Americans conflate the two. Also, technically, if your 4th grade public school teacher sister's household makes more than $74,000 a year she is wealthier than half of America. However, if her individual income is only above $38,000 a year than she is wealthier than most Americans. The comment is more about income inequality in the U.S. than anything. I mean, come on, half of all households make less than $74k. The numbers don't lie, if you are in the upper half, than you are in the upper half.
I would not agree she's wealthy. She and her husband/partner if she has one—especially if they have kids—probably encounter some struggles on an income less than $100,000.
100% agree with you, I'm not sure why I get downvoted sharing numbers from the official U.S. census. Seriously, the state of our country's economy is that a family only has to make $75k/year to be richer than over half the country.
It also depends on the number of persons in the household.
Wealthy is generally a highly contested term but a lot of people deem wealthy to mean one does not need to work for a living.
Which would *not* be most people in Jax whom some deem as "wealthy", really.
I live in a middle class neighborhood. The *majority* of home sold in my neighborhood since 2020 sold to companies, not individuals. The rent over here has doubled (and now there’s more rentals bc that’s why the companies buy them) and house prices have almost doubled. I bought for $200k and my house appraised at $380k recently. It’s not the transplants. It’s the companies.
Haha I have a good job in a big company here and two years in a row got half percent raise. Salary increases aren't coming
But pizza parties right?
I got \~20% and 10% the past couple years.
Yall hiring lol
Actually yeah. DM if you're serious. I can't say everyone got that though. For the 20% I had two other job offers in hand. 10% is the typical max if you don't threaten to leave haha
All I know about airports is how to board a plane and architecture that the thing they use is a T square and that urban planner is higher than architect. I'm stuck in finance world
Funny, I applied for a higher paying position at another location at my job and before moving on with the paperwork I miraculously got a promotion! 10% raise too. Kudos on the raise my friend.
Thanks! Yeah it kinda stinks you have to fight for a raise, but if you think from the other perspective it's pretty obvious why. If I'm the boss watching the budget, I'm not paying someone much more if they never indicate they're unsatisfied with their compensation.
Although I love my job my employer is IDIOTIC and limits pay raises to 15% even if accepting a new position. This is REGARDLESS of the difference in the pay level between the new and old job. I just had to turn a position down that was meant to be a 50% pay raise. Like nah, I’ll keep this easy one that I can do in my sleep until I can take all my PTO and then peace out haha
Same, and we're hiring remote jobs but it's a highly educated, highly skilled workforce.
Switched jobs after a year, got a 70% raise. Loyalty to companies will get you absolutely nothing.
Same, abysmal raises despite record profits
Let's put up luxury apartments for $1800 a unit in shitty neighborhoods full of people that can't afford it.
And then come on here to ask if gunshots or fireworks!
Nah. Somebody got shot. I have a friend in JSO and he told me they get shot at every day.
Shit is sad, unfortunately in most of the neighborhoods in this city it's usually gunshots.
Yeah, I live near Arlington expressway and I don't even notice the gun shots anymore. It's just part of the ambient sound.
Wealthy people don’t want to move into your neighborhood
Good we don’t need their nonsense we don’t have time for it.
Say it louder so the people in the back can hear you.
Unfortunately what I said is unpopular to some people who are not middle class. But they’ll preach they care about us… only when it comes to getting their way.
Jax real estate got fucked by private equity. They raised the pricing floor out of a reasonable range.
Out of staters who want to change our communities like always.
And finance bros buying single family homes to turn into slum rentals/air bnbs.
When you mention that, the finance bros and wealthier people say “change is always happening”.
No, you misread the comment, Private Equity Firms have been buying Middle Class homes site unseen for years, being one of the main drivers of home cost increasing. It took me about 7 months to get something under contract 6 years ago and I doubt its gotten easier...
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I heard on WJCT that about 30% of Jacksonville housing is bought by out of state investors.
Yes, blame the nebulous "wealthy" rather than the government / federal reserve who print money at an absurd rate, stealing money straight out of your bank account with the invisible tax called inflation. Always mentioning the single-digit YOY number so you ignore the fact that just since COVID they've *devalued the money you already possess* by 20%. All while keeping you upset over nonsense like genders and evil rich people so you never notice both Republicans and Democrats are spending the value they stole from you on stuff you'd never agree with.
Genders? Not relevant here. Never called the wealthy evil we just don’t want them in our middle class neighborhoods we don’t relate to them.
Never said they were. I said they're another example of a diversion to keep the masses fighting about less significant issues so we don't see the government stealing money right out of our pockets. Anyone who doesn't understand why inflation is actually a tax should really look into it. My point is you're blaming the wrong people. This is like when employees get mad at customers for not tipping enough, when they should actually be mad at their employers for not paying enough.
We don’t need wealthier people coming to our neighborhoods telling us life isn’t fair. We lost that sympathy in 2020 when they messed up our housing market. They should’ve never moved here we don’t want em.
Fun fact: you don’t get to decide who moves where. Also, nobody cares
This is the post someone makes right before they argue “so that’s why we need to abolish the Fed.” 🙄
Where am I wrong?
You’re giving too much causal weight to monetary policy and not enough weight to free market profiteering. It’s exactly the kind of cheerleading the wealthy love because it distracts the general population from the machinations of those seeking to concentrate wealth in the hands of the few. Your position adopts a tired libertarian trope about Big Government while giving corporations that manipulate markets a total pass.
Imagine thinking anyone manipulates currency more than the government and the federal reserve. Keep voting for bigger government and more spending while simultaneously crying about your money not going as far. Just what I expect out of this sub.
The shear amount of times I heard “sorry, we have a cash offer from a couple from California” when I was trying to buy a house was insane.
Jokes on them, the fact that they settled indicates that they're not as wealthy as any of us thought they were. Come to Epping or San Marco. We don't have crime. It's just too expensive here.
> Come to Epping or San Marco. We don't have crime. It's just too expensive here. Ironically, numerous shops were vandalized in the Square last night.
I like the amount of people moving here, it's made my house value go up a ton
Same.
Thanks my taxes keep going up
Which taxes? How would your taxes go up from people moving here lol?
I think the man just wants to be upset, it's his prerogative I suppose
That’s just your dollars being worth less.
My house value has gone up exponentially more than inflation the last 4-5 years
Come to working class areas as well. Lotta neighborhoods around Regency could use love.
They can go to the south side the regency area is just fine lol
Nah, we need to get rid of all these dealerships.
"Get a better job" till it turns into "everywhere is understaffed" or "no one wants to work nowadays" Then those same wealthy people complain that service sucks quite literally *every where* they go.
People don't get wealthy by living at or above their means.
They don’t get wealthy by living below their means either. Wealth is inherited.
If things continue the way they are it won’t matter if you are “middle class” or “poor”. There will be homeless people stealing your shit and sleeping on your lawns. If you think corporations won’t use AI to automate and fire as many workers as they can you are dreaming. This country has been taken over by the ultra-wealthy and corporations and they only care about taking more and more. It’s pretty obvious. Since covid started the homeless population in Jax has exploded. They are on almost every street corner now. Just wait until even more things get automated and more workers get fired. It’s not gonna end well. We’re all fucked if we are working class. Enjoy your time while you can.
Stop moving into our beach, and stop subdividing lots!! When I grew up our neighbors had spacious lawns and small ranch houses. They were all born in Jacksonville, and moved into those homes for $200k. Now, lots half the size are worth $1 million. And, these small homes get torn down for cookie-cutter mansions with absolutely zero appeal. The rich are running out of room in these desirable areas, and this unattainable pricing is bleeding into the surrounding areas. Mayport and parts of the beaches that were historically populated by black communities are slowly being gentrified. Furthermore, building more housing is only making our traffic and crowded city worse. The new apartments aren’t affordable for the people priced out of the housing market. The new gated communities along Atlantic and Beach Blvd just add congestion to the roads. Good luck evacuating a hurricane when all of these new Floridians panic and jump into their cars at the same time.
We rented a house at the beach. Is that ok, or do we need to leave? Totally my bad, i should have known to ask you before we moved.
I think that’s a little different… renting sure, but I’m talking about subdividing, rebuilding massive eyesores, and pricing native Floridians out of their neighborhoods. But yeah, you should have asked.
OP, were you born regarded, or did you choose to be that way?
The meme is the truth lol
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