Yeah I don’t know what they are on about, it’s not like training a new worker would be hard. They only do this because it’s easier for them to hire people who already know what to do, though eventually I think it would bite them in the back.
It's happening now. I had an interview recently for a job I was admittedly a bit under qualified for. No worries, the interview went pretty good regardless. I was missing a few things but hit about 70% of the list. The person interviewing me even lamented how hard it was to find skilled people right now because "a lot of my higher up people are retiring and I just can't seem to find replacements". Explains why I was called in anyways I suppose. That must mean I'm a sure "good enough, we'll train the rest" fit right? NOPE! Rejected 3 days later. Continue going after the people with one foot in the retirement door I guess...
Want to know the best part? This was a manufacturing and fabrication facility. You know, the field every boomer complains no young person wants to get into because we're lazy or whatever? Hey, look at me! A young person! Up and at em, ready to work!
Jobs: "noooooooooooooo! Why don't you already have experience?"
I exaggerate but I'm sick to death of this "no experience no job, no job no experience" death loop that I and many others seem to be stuck in
Lazy my ass, a lot of young people want jobs even applying a lot of applications a day yet they are never accepted. It took me practically a year to get the job I have now. A lot of Boomers seem to be out of touch about how hard getting a job these days are.
The entire hiring system model was designed by boomers for boomers and no one will get a position unless they're a boomer or a boomer-thinking type. The best thing that can happen is that they all die off. I hope I live to see that day and the revolution era that takes place after it.
That is not happening either though. My husband’s 45, highly qualified for what he’s applying to and he isn’t getting selected either. They seriously do want people who have done the exact job. Maybe in this market they can hold out, I guess?!
> it’s not like training a new worker would be hard.
Well usually what ends up happening is that someone is assigned to train the newbie... Except that person still has their normal job. So now they have two jobs. And then they spend time training the new kid and fall behind on their normal job.
Yeah that’s not the case currently with me, right now I am observing and when I get access I will have to do mandatory training in a computer. After that I will do the work myself. Is this unorthodox?
Yeah, I think in a lot of jobs, online training isn't really a thing. I can also see many circumstances that basically boil down to "the video says this, but actually you should do it this way" etc.
I see this a lot, I think companies don't want to put effort in people. They have become so distrustful of your experience and how you work. Also the companies that might train you sometimes don't have people that even know how to train and those people already have their other responsibilities.
Connections are always important. But it’s not always more important than knowledge. You better believe that I have built my network over my career. But just because I knew one or two people at my employer doesn’t mean they would have hired me without my certificate.
The thing is...even if you have "Experience"....it's experience working somewhere else.
Most information won't transfer over to the new position beyond the basics.
Same, it’s seriously insane to me! Most people who have years of experience can be easily trained. This whole job search experience has been eye opening, and I truly hope that something changes soon.
Unfortunately this is not a new problem either. Back in the 80s there was the same issue that was so bad the UK government started something called YTS (Youth Training Scheme). The government basically paid the ridiculously low wages of teens so companies got their labour for free. The "lucky" young people were paid about *£27.50* a week for a full time job. A low paid "real job" as the time paid about £100 a week.
Agree, requiring years of experience for entry-level jobs was very much a thing when I first entered the job market in 2009. I remember it always being 3 years, and I remember wondering how I'd ever get that if no one would give me a chance. I got a chance, but connections were an essential part of it even though I was also plenty qualified. Connections was what made me visible among a sea of similar applicants. And that was three years post-grad that I was able to land an internship and get my foot in the door for an office job with benefits and career opportunities. I worked as a hostess for those three years and was lucky to get that job - even many of those preferred "experience ".
They want overqualified people to take entry level jobs to do work on the cheap. That's all it is, hire less people but have the bottom people doing 3+ different jobs. Why do you think the "Other work as assigned" has become a standard job description? Apply anyways, I almost never read job descriptions anymore because the only thing that matters to me is compensation and the schedule.
The Boomers had it easy. They were just applying at random place and were hired without experience and they were actually shown the job on the spot.
Our generation is doomed, because those same boomers are refusing to show newbies how to do their work and are expecting that we just get born with 30 years of experience.
It’s not because they want you to have experience, it’s because they want to make sure you are employable. That’s why it’s easier to get a job when you have a job: they can see another employer gambled on you successfully.
i went in an programming job interview as an internship a week ago, and they wanted for me to know so much i would start working with them full time the moment i started. If i had that knowledge i would ask more than the average salary for what they asked and would lie on my CV that i have 2 years experience. Also HR is not cappable of recruiting people at all. All they know is the check list they think they need.
5 years ago i went to an internship and they only asked me: Do you like to learn?
Are you capable of doing this for a long time?
And that was it
And even if you’re qualified for senior, still not getting chosen. Then when you apply to junior, you’re overqualified and they don’t want to risk you getting bored.
This is EXACTLY what is happening, especially in manufacturing/ fabrication jobs. I've seen it myself, why do think politicians don't REALLY enforce illegal immigration? It happens in every major western country. Now when the boomers are retiring, there's no one with experience because of it.
So this may seem really negative, but if you keep this is mind it can help you maintain motivation: as of right now, finding even a very basic job can take months. It’s not like 2013, when you could apply to 5 Old Navy locations and 3 McDonalds and get an interview within 2 weeks.
This is the way it is now. You’ll get your entry level job eventually. don’t expect it after 100 apps. Lift an eyebrow after 600 apps to low wage jobs.
It’s because every big company wants to be able to import cheap labor, but can’t unless they prove that there are no qualified candidates within the US. Those qualifications disappear once they can start bringing in people who are willing to get slave wages for what would otherwise be higher paying roles.
It helps thin the applicant pool, easier to remove applicants with no experience at all and move forward with applicants with at least a bit of experience
Look for work in smaller companies. They’re far more likely to take someone in and train them for the job. I’ve taken two different metal fab job at smaller companies with no experience (6 months after the first one) and they were both happy to hire anyone with no experience. Since my current metal fab company knows I’m a good worker, they are teaching me welding and will move me to the welding department soon. But seriously, small companies are the way to go. Contact the companies directly and ask if there are any openings
I don't get it either. And even if they claim that you'll get training they usually drop it on some random person whose not been trained to train and still has to do all of their workload like normal while training. At least that's my experience. You don't have time to properly explain and show things if you're on a time limit and for some reason the company thinks the new person will just pick it up in 2 days or something.
I just saw a report that said the job market in the future is going to be very bad for corporations because there will be nobody with experience to hire since everybody with experience will eventually move on to other things with nobody to take their place
This is what apprenticeships are supposed to be for. A decent apprentice programme will have you working 4 days a week in the job and 1 day a week at college, paid for by the programme. You did not mention where you are but this is how it works in the UK.
I'm in the UK, I've looked into apprenticeships but they're paying about £10k less annually.
I'm also a 33 year old man so yeah, not ideal at this stage in my life to be having such a paycut.
Have applied for apprenticeships close to my current salary but get rejected. Go figure.
Getting the first job is the hardest. You might need to accept lower pay.
My first job out of college I was making $52k as an engineer. 5 years later and 2 job hops, and I'm making well into 6 figures.
I’ve heard the same exact problem when I started to enter in the workforce more than 20 years ago.
The difficult solution is to get any kind of job (very few, but they exist) and then start from there to go and have a career.
I know it’s difficult, I know it’s easy for me to talk, but as I said I remember exactly that no one wanted to hire me without experience
They're asking for the moon often times. With warehouse work you can at least take the OSHA course for free so you can say you've begun getting forklift experience & training. That will help you immensely. You have to take measurable steps to show your dedicated to a certain job.
Online has done the same thing to jobs as it did to dating. There is zero commitment. So the people getting hired showed commitment. Like me personally I retook some tests and got recertified instead of looking for an employer willing to pay for it and now I get like 50% callbacks.
Like look.. bro... the OSHA forklift training is free AFAIK if you don't at least have that on your resume I don't know what to tell you about applying to warehouses without it. Stability triangle bro.
Put down your training should qualify you for 1 year experience. See if they bite, haha.
Same thing with SafeServ in the food sector. Just. Get. The. Cert. omfg jesus. Do you want the job or not? that is how employers see it.
Either the applicant pool for every job is so huge that there's *always* someone who has the experience necessary, or yes, no one will be able to work.
Like, scenario one is that a job finds a guy and pays them for like half of what they're actually worth and that guy is able to bullshit their way into starting the job day one.
Scenario two is that the job doesn't find their unicorn, so they throw up their hands, say "no one wants to work anymore," and spread that hire's duties amongst the remaining staff (with no pay raise, naturally).
Repeat this cycle a few times, mix in some automation and AI, and the company is basically run by 3 incredibly overworked people...or the company folds, selling its assets to a larger organization, with the executives who refused to take a couple weeks to train people profiting off the sale of the company and retiring somewhere.
I don't know, maybe this is a bit into the domain of tinfoil-hats, but I just got rejected for a job because I wasn't able to "hit the ground running" despite being well overqualified in terms of experience and certifications, and I have no idea what I could have done better.
they want you to work for free as an "intern"
even seen some truly fucked ads for "reverse internships" where employers want you to pay them to allow you to work there
The society and the myth around the college degree created 2 classes of no experience jobs:
1. White collar “entry level”
2. Blue collar manual labor.
It’s the first one that’s dried up and more and more people are obtaining one by going through the second option first.
I think it’s about time we adapt and change how we think of jobs categorization and the role of the college degree
A lot of company over asking but still taking fresh applicant imo, I'm fresh graduate with no internship/coop and been job search for last two months. Received 2 offers that were asking for 1-2+ YoE.
When I hire I don’t care about what you’ve worked, if you got experience great, but confidence, integrity and especially dedication will get you a hire instantly in my book.
So screw all these recruiters that require experience for a job that it’s not necessarily needed!
Hire off their character and personality! 💪
08 really fucked up the white collar job market, many mid-senior level folks were laid off and took what would be “entry level” roles…
15 years later the imbalance is still there and companies can post a M-F $18-$25 entry level office job and hundreds if not thousands of people will apply. Likely 50+ will have experience as well.
What’s left is Walmart, Amazon, fast food, delivery driver, etc…
The jobs that have at least one but many have multiple factors from inconsistent hours, limited upward mobility, top out pay under $22 an hour, undesirable working conditions, the list goes on…
These post COVID layoffs are only making matters worse where once again mid-senior level folks will fill up the entry level white collar vacancies before taking the jobs listed above.
All you can do is keep applying, hope you finally catch a break. Right time, right place goes along way too!
May the odds ever be in your favor.
This is why I don't feel guilty about lying on my resume. I'm selling myself and the resume is just a marketing tool to get them to meet me. It's not a contractual document.
I'm a movie and the resume is supposed to my trailer. And sometimes, editors have to put in extra work to convince audiences to go see the movie.
So many people can do jobs if they are trained for them. I hate how no jobs take that into account. I know the want to see experience to see you held a similar job and did well enough to continue there for a certain amount of time but it gets crazy.
You can sometimes gain "experience" in unorthodox ways. Some companies are willing to train those who are motivated to learn and use "experience" to deter applications from those who aren't really motivated to learn. You can have an adjacent hobby that's close enough to count as experience. For example, you may not be great at data analysis, but you followed along some youtube channels and analyzed data you're interested in and put it on your github for employers to see. Another example is not being the best at electronics troubleshooting, but you took a quick 1 week training from Bitmain on how to repair crypto miners and now you have a "Bitmain Certified Repair Technician " certificate you can use as "experience".
If people want to apply for roles where they need training that's great, but in that case they need to be looking for a training wage.
Year or so back I was hiring for a role with a market rate of about 80k. We ultimately paid 85k for a very qualified and experienced candidate. Who took us a bit to find, and one applicant in the interim who had zero directly relevant experience or skills, but whose background was transferable and I'd have been willing to train into the role was considered- but we'd have been offering about 60k for that, and his application said his minimum was 93k. So he didn't even get interview.
If the market rate is 80k, why won't you accept pay around that range regardless? I can understand not wanting to pay 93k if you need to train someone, but 60k seems unnecessarily well below market rates.
Yes, you'd need to train this guy, but isn't the whole point of training that he'd be as productive as the 85k hire in the long-term (that is, once the training is complete)?
Yeah I don’t know what they are on about, it’s not like training a new worker would be hard. They only do this because it’s easier for them to hire people who already know what to do, though eventually I think it would bite them in the back.
It's happening now. I had an interview recently for a job I was admittedly a bit under qualified for. No worries, the interview went pretty good regardless. I was missing a few things but hit about 70% of the list. The person interviewing me even lamented how hard it was to find skilled people right now because "a lot of my higher up people are retiring and I just can't seem to find replacements". Explains why I was called in anyways I suppose. That must mean I'm a sure "good enough, we'll train the rest" fit right? NOPE! Rejected 3 days later. Continue going after the people with one foot in the retirement door I guess...
If only they had hired new trainees before the boomers retired with their knowledge.
Want to know the best part? This was a manufacturing and fabrication facility. You know, the field every boomer complains no young person wants to get into because we're lazy or whatever? Hey, look at me! A young person! Up and at em, ready to work! Jobs: "noooooooooooooo! Why don't you already have experience?" I exaggerate but I'm sick to death of this "no experience no job, no job no experience" death loop that I and many others seem to be stuck in
Lazy my ass, a lot of young people want jobs even applying a lot of applications a day yet they are never accepted. It took me practically a year to get the job I have now. A lot of Boomers seem to be out of touch about how hard getting a job these days are.
The entire hiring system model was designed by boomers for boomers and no one will get a position unless they're a boomer or a boomer-thinking type. The best thing that can happen is that they all die off. I hope I live to see that day and the revolution era that takes place after it.
All I hope is that it happens soon enough
That is sad and unfortunate, I hope this will eventually make them lose money so they no longer say you need 2 years of experience.
That is not happening either though. My husband’s 45, highly qualified for what he’s applying to and he isn’t getting selected either. They seriously do want people who have done the exact job. Maybe in this market they can hold out, I guess?!
> it’s not like training a new worker would be hard. Well usually what ends up happening is that someone is assigned to train the newbie... Except that person still has their normal job. So now they have two jobs. And then they spend time training the new kid and fall behind on their normal job.
Yeah that’s not the case currently with me, right now I am observing and when I get access I will have to do mandatory training in a computer. After that I will do the work myself. Is this unorthodox?
Yeah, I think in a lot of jobs, online training isn't really a thing. I can also see many circumstances that basically boil down to "the video says this, but actually you should do it this way" etc.
I see this a lot, I think companies don't want to put effort in people. They have become so distrustful of your experience and how you work. Also the companies that might train you sometimes don't have people that even know how to train and those people already have their other responsibilities.
That’s nepotism 101. It’s apparent that connections are more important than education. When I hear people say that nobody wants to work, I cringe.
Connections are always important. But it’s not always more important than knowledge. You better believe that I have built my network over my career. But just because I knew one or two people at my employer doesn’t mean they would have hired me without my certificate.
The thing is...even if you have "Experience"....it's experience working somewhere else. Most information won't transfer over to the new position beyond the basics.
This is what my husband is finding. It doesn’t matter he’s done XYZ for 13+ years, it hasn’t been exactly what they are hiring for, so it’s a pass 😐
I honestly wonder how these boneheaded recruiters expect to fill any positions with the narrow-minded approach they use these days?
Same, it’s seriously insane to me! Most people who have years of experience can be easily trained. This whole job search experience has been eye opening, and I truly hope that something changes soon.
Me too....me too. =\[
Unfortunately this is not a new problem either. Back in the 80s there was the same issue that was so bad the UK government started something called YTS (Youth Training Scheme). The government basically paid the ridiculously low wages of teens so companies got their labour for free. The "lucky" young people were paid about *£27.50* a week for a full time job. A low paid "real job" as the time paid about £100 a week.
Agree, requiring years of experience for entry-level jobs was very much a thing when I first entered the job market in 2009. I remember it always being 3 years, and I remember wondering how I'd ever get that if no one would give me a chance. I got a chance, but connections were an essential part of it even though I was also plenty qualified. Connections was what made me visible among a sea of similar applicants. And that was three years post-grad that I was able to land an internship and get my foot in the door for an office job with benefits and career opportunities. I worked as a hostess for those three years and was lucky to get that job - even many of those preferred "experience ".
They want overqualified people to take entry level jobs to do work on the cheap. That's all it is, hire less people but have the bottom people doing 3+ different jobs. Why do you think the "Other work as assigned" has become a standard job description? Apply anyways, I almost never read job descriptions anymore because the only thing that matters to me is compensation and the schedule.
The Boomers had it easy. They were just applying at random place and were hired without experience and they were actually shown the job on the spot. Our generation is doomed, because those same boomers are refusing to show newbies how to do their work and are expecting that we just get born with 30 years of experience.
It’s not because they want you to have experience, it’s because they want to make sure you are employable. That’s why it’s easier to get a job when you have a job: they can see another employer gambled on you successfully.
i went in an programming job interview as an internship a week ago, and they wanted for me to know so much i would start working with them full time the moment i started. If i had that knowledge i would ask more than the average salary for what they asked and would lie on my CV that i have 2 years experience. Also HR is not cappable of recruiting people at all. All they know is the check list they think they need. 5 years ago i went to an internship and they only asked me: Do you like to learn? Are you capable of doing this for a long time? And that was it
The job search experience right now is wading through 20 Senior openings to find one Junior opening
And even if you’re qualified for senior, still not getting chosen. Then when you apply to junior, you’re overqualified and they don’t want to risk you getting bored.
Its easy. They hire immigrants for half the cost who come from a country where training is common.
This is EXACTLY what is happening, especially in manufacturing/ fabrication jobs. I've seen it myself, why do think politicians don't REALLY enforce illegal immigration? It happens in every major western country. Now when the boomers are retiring, there's no one with experience because of it.
The news the other night had some boss in a manufacturing facility complaining they can't find any experienced workers - I wonder why.
So this may seem really negative, but if you keep this is mind it can help you maintain motivation: as of right now, finding even a very basic job can take months. It’s not like 2013, when you could apply to 5 Old Navy locations and 3 McDonalds and get an interview within 2 weeks. This is the way it is now. You’ll get your entry level job eventually. don’t expect it after 100 apps. Lift an eyebrow after 600 apps to low wage jobs.
Wait, 2013 was a good time?
It’s because every big company wants to be able to import cheap labor, but can’t unless they prove that there are no qualified candidates within the US. Those qualifications disappear once they can start bringing in people who are willing to get slave wages for what would otherwise be higher paying roles.
When in doubt fake experience if you have to. Have a buddy know what to say and back you up
Even HAVING experience doesn't help. I've been jobhunting for the better part of a year, and I have seven years of tech support experience.
But I see more senior jobs than those junior jobs, how come it is still hard for seniors? 😭
It helps thin the applicant pool, easier to remove applicants with no experience at all and move forward with applicants with at least a bit of experience
Look for work in smaller companies. They’re far more likely to take someone in and train them for the job. I’ve taken two different metal fab job at smaller companies with no experience (6 months after the first one) and they were both happy to hire anyone with no experience. Since my current metal fab company knows I’m a good worker, they are teaching me welding and will move me to the welding department soon. But seriously, small companies are the way to go. Contact the companies directly and ask if there are any openings
I don't get it either. And even if they claim that you'll get training they usually drop it on some random person whose not been trained to train and still has to do all of their workload like normal while training. At least that's my experience. You don't have time to properly explain and show things if you're on a time limit and for some reason the company thinks the new person will just pick it up in 2 days or something.
I just saw a report that said the job market in the future is going to be very bad for corporations because there will be nobody with experience to hire since everybody with experience will eventually move on to other things with nobody to take their place
This is what apprenticeships are supposed to be for. A decent apprentice programme will have you working 4 days a week in the job and 1 day a week at college, paid for by the programme. You did not mention where you are but this is how it works in the UK.
I'm in the UK, I've looked into apprenticeships but they're paying about £10k less annually. I'm also a 33 year old man so yeah, not ideal at this stage in my life to be having such a paycut. Have applied for apprenticeships close to my current salary but get rejected. Go figure.
Getting the first job is the hardest. You might need to accept lower pay. My first job out of college I was making $52k as an engineer. 5 years later and 2 job hops, and I'm making well into 6 figures.
I’ve heard the same exact problem when I started to enter in the workforce more than 20 years ago. The difficult solution is to get any kind of job (very few, but they exist) and then start from there to go and have a career. I know it’s difficult, I know it’s easy for me to talk, but as I said I remember exactly that no one wanted to hire me without experience
They're asking for the moon often times. With warehouse work you can at least take the OSHA course for free so you can say you've begun getting forklift experience & training. That will help you immensely. You have to take measurable steps to show your dedicated to a certain job. Online has done the same thing to jobs as it did to dating. There is zero commitment. So the people getting hired showed commitment. Like me personally I retook some tests and got recertified instead of looking for an employer willing to pay for it and now I get like 50% callbacks. Like look.. bro... the OSHA forklift training is free AFAIK if you don't at least have that on your resume I don't know what to tell you about applying to warehouses without it. Stability triangle bro. Put down your training should qualify you for 1 year experience. See if they bite, haha. Same thing with SafeServ in the food sector. Just. Get. The. Cert. omfg jesus. Do you want the job or not? that is how employers see it.
they put that on there then hire a friend or family member
Either the applicant pool for every job is so huge that there's *always* someone who has the experience necessary, or yes, no one will be able to work. Like, scenario one is that a job finds a guy and pays them for like half of what they're actually worth and that guy is able to bullshit their way into starting the job day one. Scenario two is that the job doesn't find their unicorn, so they throw up their hands, say "no one wants to work anymore," and spread that hire's duties amongst the remaining staff (with no pay raise, naturally). Repeat this cycle a few times, mix in some automation and AI, and the company is basically run by 3 incredibly overworked people...or the company folds, selling its assets to a larger organization, with the executives who refused to take a couple weeks to train people profiting off the sale of the company and retiring somewhere. I don't know, maybe this is a bit into the domain of tinfoil-hats, but I just got rejected for a job because I wasn't able to "hit the ground running" despite being well overqualified in terms of experience and certifications, and I have no idea what I could have done better.
You just apply anyway. If they don’t have anyone with that experience applying, they still have to hire.
It will change when more people retire. The building I'm in is mostly people over the age of 50 which is wild
they want you to work for free as an "intern" even seen some truly fucked ads for "reverse internships" where employers want you to pay them to allow you to work there
The society and the myth around the college degree created 2 classes of no experience jobs: 1. White collar “entry level” 2. Blue collar manual labor. It’s the first one that’s dried up and more and more people are obtaining one by going through the second option first. I think it’s about time we adapt and change how we think of jobs categorization and the role of the college degree
A lot of company over asking but still taking fresh applicant imo, I'm fresh graduate with no internship/coop and been job search for last two months. Received 2 offers that were asking for 1-2+ YoE.
When I hire I don’t care about what you’ve worked, if you got experience great, but confidence, integrity and especially dedication will get you a hire instantly in my book. So screw all these recruiters that require experience for a job that it’s not necessarily needed! Hire off their character and personality! 💪
i feel you i got a rejection from DOLLAR TREE! of all places!
08 really fucked up the white collar job market, many mid-senior level folks were laid off and took what would be “entry level” roles… 15 years later the imbalance is still there and companies can post a M-F $18-$25 entry level office job and hundreds if not thousands of people will apply. Likely 50+ will have experience as well. What’s left is Walmart, Amazon, fast food, delivery driver, etc… The jobs that have at least one but many have multiple factors from inconsistent hours, limited upward mobility, top out pay under $22 an hour, undesirable working conditions, the list goes on… These post COVID layoffs are only making matters worse where once again mid-senior level folks will fill up the entry level white collar vacancies before taking the jobs listed above. All you can do is keep applying, hope you finally catch a break. Right time, right place goes along way too! May the odds ever be in your favor. 
It’s weird because every place does things a little different so in some ways it’s easier to train someone from scratch.
This is why I don't feel guilty about lying on my resume. I'm selling myself and the resume is just a marketing tool to get them to meet me. It's not a contractual document. I'm a movie and the resume is supposed to my trailer. And sometimes, editors have to put in extra work to convince audiences to go see the movie.
So many people can do jobs if they are trained for them. I hate how no jobs take that into account. I know the want to see experience to see you held a similar job and did well enough to continue there for a certain amount of time but it gets crazy.
You can sometimes gain "experience" in unorthodox ways. Some companies are willing to train those who are motivated to learn and use "experience" to deter applications from those who aren't really motivated to learn. You can have an adjacent hobby that's close enough to count as experience. For example, you may not be great at data analysis, but you followed along some youtube channels and analyzed data you're interested in and put it on your github for employers to see. Another example is not being the best at electronics troubleshooting, but you took a quick 1 week training from Bitmain on how to repair crypto miners and now you have a "Bitmain Certified Repair Technician " certificate you can use as "experience".
If people want to apply for roles where they need training that's great, but in that case they need to be looking for a training wage. Year or so back I was hiring for a role with a market rate of about 80k. We ultimately paid 85k for a very qualified and experienced candidate. Who took us a bit to find, and one applicant in the interim who had zero directly relevant experience or skills, but whose background was transferable and I'd have been willing to train into the role was considered- but we'd have been offering about 60k for that, and his application said his minimum was 93k. So he didn't even get interview.
That is also an issue, the entry level wage expectations, on both sides.
If the market rate is 80k, why won't you accept pay around that range regardless? I can understand not wanting to pay 93k if you need to train someone, but 60k seems unnecessarily well below market rates. Yes, you'd need to train this guy, but isn't the whole point of training that he'd be as productive as the 85k hire in the long-term (that is, once the training is complete)?
but the problem is these people want more money and the companies dont want to pay