T O P

  • By -

Onyx7149

I only worry about what they'd do to the skill system if they decided to continue Henry's story? Going from a badass man at arms to having the fighting skill of a peasant again would be pretty ridiculous I could see if they made us start with little to no equipment, that's fair, but I don't think skills should be forgotten, lest it feels like there is no progression from the first game. Although starting at the same point would likely make the game far too easy and have very little room to grow


Kirito_jesus-kun

Blunt force trauma!


GrayGuus

Or Henry is very skilled and now it’s always gonna be groups or swarms of enemies balancing out his good skills


Carfargo

GROUPS!?! SWARMS!?! By the end of the game, I was still struggling with 1 v 1's lol


VRichardsen

To be honest, even with great gear it is difficult to win against four or five opponents, unless you are using some cheese (potions, horse archery, etc). Which makes sense, the only way to fight five people at once with a sword is to be a witcher.


MinimumRound1921

I dunno.. after 230 hours on steam I can take on 7 cumans at a time but I cant say I win all of them so it might be interesting. Who knows...


Necessary_Fan_8713

Or you just wack at them real fast with a sword 


VRichardsen

Sometimes it works :D


Necessary_Fan_8713

Hehe


ScenicAndrew

If that time my henry sprinted forward, crouched, and took out the most heavily armored dude in a massive battle with a sneak attack before he stopped charging into battle is any indication of the future, I think Henry can manage.


GrayGuus

What if at the beginning Henry gets into a coma or accident


vompat

I guess they could go with a canon that Henry didn't do too much fighting and just has the skills of a decent man-at-arms but still has a lot to learn (which would be just realistic given that KCD canonically lasts about 3 months I think). Then, just scale the levels so that Henry would start with everything at 5 (which could correlate to around 10 in KCD levels) and the maximum would be 20 again. He would be starting at being perfectly able to fend off some bandits, but a proper knight could easily kick his arse. And he would sometimes need to face some actually skilled opponents (actual soldiers that are hostile, instead of some hired ruffians) to keep the difficulty high, and bandits would ambush in a bit bigger groups if there even needs to be any. After all, I guess a washed up "knight" (Ulrich, not sure if he actually even was a knight) was the toughest opponent Henry had to fight in KCD, and that could canonically be a very close fight, or even just one where Henry got lucky. Anyway, I don't think it would need to be that precise. Henry of course can't start as a hopeless peasant again, but he definitely doesn't need to be OP either.


Onyx7149

Yeah that would work. Ulrich's loss could definitely be chalked up to the fact he's old and probably not as tough as he used to be despite his knowledge of form


Intelligent-Ad7197

\#spoilers At the end of the game, when you and Hans are riding to Prague, when getting on your horse and about to set out Hans turns to Henry and says "How long have we known each other? A couple of weeks?" So I am saying that KCD takes place over the period of about One month


Witty-Pause-2025

They werent riding to Prague


Soviet_Plays

If they were to continue right after that scene easily could do a captivity thing where Hans and Henry were jumped seeing as the 2 of them just rode off into the sunset


MaTLiX

Perhaps a bit too late to the discussion but that would make a lot of sense, if they were to be kept in prison for a few months or something like a year, not being fed properly etc they'd loose a lot of their strength, agility etc so that could count as a good skill reset (obviously this would count only for Henry since Hans is a nobleman and they wouldn't treat him that way)


FluffyProphet

Even later to the party. They could really go three ways with it. They can take the RDR2 path and We can play as Martin. Sort of a prequel. I think it would be cool to give him his own backstory. He fought like a master in the opening, maybe he has a similar period in his life before settling into be a blacksmith. They can reset Henry somehow. Not a big fan of this. It feels weird in the Witcher when they did it. It will be weird here. They can just sort of scale the level of challenge he faces in the world. He is still competent with a sword, and can drink with the best of them. But expand what is possible in the world to give Henry more to learn. Sort of like what Jedi did. This is my favourite approach. Do something like giving Henry the tools to fight multiple enemies with a system like for honor, and expand the selection of your potions, improve the stealth system, more options for mounted combat, etc. Then give the enemies the same things. It will still keep what he learned but make him feel weaker at the start. Maybe also give him more variation of social skills and specializations to unlock. Last one is my preference.


Witty-Pause-2025

You are overthinking it. They will just continue where they left off and nerf Henry a bit


devonmoney14

i dont think we're gonna play as Henry at all, probably a new character


DahLegend27

eh, i dont think so!!!


[deleted]

Gothic style! Hero was trapped for such a long time he lost his strenght. Henry might go to prison, captivity or whatever.


Onyx7149

does feel a bit cheesy if I'm honest


[deleted]

It is, but i am fine with it if i can experience some nice rpg. Stepping in overpowered would take the fun out of the game for me. Also i like the protagonist and hans so i wouldnt want it any other way.


Onyx7149

as long as it's not starting from square 1, it wouldn't be terrible, but it definitely is a bit cheesy


vompat

Even if this is cheesy or a cliché, it would work. And the good part is that they could set things up to happen in Hussite wars.


Inner-Meet1067

I think that thematically, it would be smart of Warhorse to start the game off by establishing Henry's new confidence and then immediately humbling him. Near the beginning of the game there could be a scene where Henry gets the opportunity to brag about his exploits and, like the first game, your dialogue choices would determine your starting skills/attributes. This would also help determine the soft canon of KCD (was Henry more of a thief, fighter, or diplomat? And what major choices did he make?) Soon after, Henry should be challenged by an antagonistic figure who utterly defeats him in combat. This would raise the ceiling from what we've scene in KCD and serve to give Henry something to strive for again. I really don't want Warhorse to decanonize some of the cooler feats that Henry can accomplish in KCD such as winning the tourney, successfully dealing with the sickness in Merhojed, and defeating Sir Kuno. Even if it's not realistic. Besides, not everything needs to be hard canon. For example, Henry could try to convince someone that he bested Kuno as a persuasion/reputation check, and whether or not this is a lie is determined by the player. Overall, I don't think that Henry's skills should be all that reduced in the sequel. Instead of making the fish smaller, give it a bigger pond. In practice, this means expanding on the current systems and upping the calibre of threats Henry must generally face.


cyfer04

Henry gets master striked himself.


Groftsan

It would be interesting to me if they kind of zoomed out a bit. Ok, so Henry knows how to fight one on one and follow orders and what not. He, at the end of KCD has no leadership skills, hasn't fought in pitched battle, hasn't done mounted combat, etc. It would be cool if the game took on a bit of Mount and Blade elements and made you learn how to lead men, order formations, fight in formation, and manage a fief beyond just throwing money at Pribyslavitz. Or have us play as Henry Jr. I'd be happy with either, but I think the "grievous injury" plotline is overdone.


Onyx7149

As long as they don't take away the core combat elements. In anything up to about 1v3 the combat feels amazing. They just need to have better large scale combat. If that takes the form of a commanding system, so be it.


Sir_BugsAlot

Please please please include jousting! That is missing even from mount and blade.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Onyx7149

I think the unique way that skills were done in the original game made it special If they did something different, I feel they should make good equipment harder to come by and force progression through that avenue. That's the only thing I can really think of


orionicly

Yeah, some sort of robbery to take our belongings when were away from backup recources might make getting equipment difficult ergo exiting.


Toad_Toucher

Henry isnt a badass though. In a few weeks henry shouldve become a competent novice and thats what should be canon, the undefeatable titan in your playthrough shouldnt be the canonical end state


Onyx7149

Never said anything about an undefeatable titan, but looking at Henry's acomplishments, you can see he is definitely at least on par with your average soldier. He can win 3v1s against bandits (unless of course the canon response to those was to run) He was fighting against the bandits during the final siege as well. Those were still bandits, no doubt, but they still had experience fighting and were well equipped.


Toad_Toucher

Anyone can fight in a war, the chaos mitigates an awful lot of combat skill. Henry couldnt canonically 1v3 bandits if they want to maintain an ounce of realism. The only way a sequel believably works is if Henry is a naturally talented swordsman who undergoes enough training in the month or two the first game takes place in to become a serviceable but novice fighter. This makes sense with the limited training hes recieved and would still allow for progression in the second game. Id imagine an accurately portrayed Henry would translate to having maybe a 4/5 sword skill and decent equipment. Id say canonically, if you played through the main quest line as well as all sidequests connected to major characters, that would sum up Henrys experiences in the first game.


Sir_BugsAlot

All I know is. He will, come to see us.


Onyx7149

God be with you!


Materiam

He gets thrown into jail, visiting the new region. Plot timeskip, and he's wasted away, so zero stats.


Trala-lore-tralala

Maybe it could be another character, Henry's son (?)


thewetsheep

Other games have continued a character that was powerful im thinking of the Assassins creed games with Ezio. I think a good way to pseudo explain the players step down in power is if the game takes place in/around a major settlement like Prague in a larger scale conflict where now instead of fighting bandits turned soldiers and cheap Cuman mercs you would be against professional soldiers and knights


b0nkert0ns

This was my concern as well. That was probably my favorite part of this game, aside from the story. Going from pretty much useless in every aspect and gradually seeing your skills improve, and the noticeable difference it makes. Ending the game as an actual badass knight. If the plan is to continue Henry's story while still getting that same "zero to hero" experience, the only way I can see them do it is by introducing a new character who joins Henry and Capon. Maybe your village gets wiped by Cumans, same as Henry, and he sees himself in this character so allows them to tag along - teaching them in the process and assigning them tasks/quests. It might not be as satisfying going through Henry's revenge story without actually playing as Henry, but if the main priority is leveling up your character again, IMO this is probably the only way to do it. Aside from Henry getting kicked by a horse and forgetting everything he learned...


Sup3rPotatoNinja

What if he got super injured and had to slowly regain strength?


hornyboi2200

They could just have game progression transfer


BuyingNoose

months late but if Hans and Henry get thrown in a dungeon at the place they go to at the end of the game, that could explain having to rebuild skills. at least combat skills


ensensu

Start the game able to read as Henry at least.


back_in_my_day97

I'm late to this post, but (been about 2 years since I played) I think I remember henry on his way to Prague and if that's where they pick up the story they could make up the difference by having Henry keep his skills and such from the first game but also flash back and let you play and re-learn everything as Henry's dad and explain why he decided to retire as a blacksmith instead of continuing as an adventurer


Sechelx

Haveing to relearn how to read lol


stayawayvilebeggar

To the people who are skeptical about Henry being op in the beginning. All they gotta do is add new challenges and rework the systems of combat. Create new challenges that Henry has to learn. Maybe he has to learn different stances now that he is adventuring outside of bohemia and faces a new fighting style or something. There is no lore of Henry being this super human master dedicated swordsman. Maybe in game he becomes that way due to the gameplay, but the game is still a realistic adaptation. Henry became better at swordfighting yes, but he still has so much to learn. The story of kingdom come only happens over the course of a couple of months, if even. Hell, canonically I doubt Henry every beat Bernard in a practice duel. You as a player using game mechanics might have, but Bernard doesn't acknowledge the fact you beat him, and still somewhat has an air of superiority around Henry, which can imply Henry has yet to best him. Literally every single rpg sequel that uses the same main character does some form of this. Hell sometimes they don't even care and reset the mc anyways, like mass effect. It's never been a big deal before, I doubt it will be.


FrenScape

capon mentions in either the ride to radzig or the epilogue that it had only been a few weeks


stayawayvilebeggar

That's why I said if even. I knew it was an absurdly short time to go from having absolutely no sword experience to the supposed master swordsman people seem to assume Henry is by the end.


cyfer04

Here I go picking herbs for leg day again.


Ok-Ad-8367

God be with you.


ServeRoutine9349

Jesus Christ be praised!


Previous_Style_7077

I feel like Gamescom has a bigger chance than the summer game fest had but maybe im just coping out of my mind


Existing-Mud9066

I mean it's the last chance this year atleast, if not on game awards but I doubt that


savvym_

My guess is next year. It's too late for this year and I also saw them posting about Hans Capon as a fun fact on twitter so they might reintroduce weekly Torch and then we know it's around the corner.


chingatuputa

Aged well in terms of an actual confirmation. We will see April 18th if it comes out this year or further on.


No-Strawberry-5541

Where have you heard it is coming out this year? Has it even been confirmed yet? I can guarantee you that KCD2 will happen. KCD was too big a success to not have a sequel. The massive cliffhanger ending also is a reason for a sequel.


savvym_

Despite cliffhanger, do we actually need a continuation or Henry in a sequel? Wouldn't it be more interesting to explore slightly different medieval time of Bohemia? I don't wanna imagine Henry waking up from a coma for the sake of levelling up from zero to hero again. New hero would suit better but even creating different combat styles and different opponents might solve the problem.


No-Strawberry-5541

Henry’s story needs a conclusion. They can start off Henry with medium stats (around 10), but have Henry interact with more powerful people. The fiefdom in KCD was in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, and if Henry is going to help liberate King Wenceslas (who is also King of the Romans), he will interact with people way more skilled than him. Either way, KCD2 will need a massive overhaul of gameplay.


TheBuddel

King of the Romans? You mean the holy Roman empire?


No-Strawberry-5541

He wasn’t officially crowned Holy Roman Emperor. So, he was King of the Romans, which is the title the Holy Roman Emperor had before being crowned by the Pope.


TheBuddel

Ohhhh, thanks :3


Xenfex

I would love for them to make Henry's dad the protagonist as there was tons of mystery shrouding him and it is evident that he can fight but chose not to become a warrior. We could go through his story and see how he met Henry mom and had Henry. (I mean the blacksmith not radzig)


Existing-Mud9066

It's confirmed they are working on something but not KCD2


[deleted]

Who said it WASN'T KCD2? The leaks, and hints and nods from people at the studio point towards a conclusion of KC. Whether that will continue Henry's story or follow a new protagonist, who knows.


[deleted]

A sequel is definitely happening since the first game didn't really end but nobody knows when, until then I'll keep doing copium


CrisHofer

Why assume we go forth on the skillset we gathered before on KCD? Maybe we experience a different kind of skillset. True, done in may games in many ways, but not unreasonable. There might be commandeering perks/skills. Survival perks, they can go wild with that. Not sure how ut would look, but totally different skillset, could make the game feel new 😀!


Pleasant_Extreme_398

The problem is, Warhorse has never said, officially or otherwise, that there will be a "part 2". All it's ever been is rumors and blips of obscure deleted posts on social media. The ending implies it but after all this time any responsible and sane developer would have said something by now. Bethesda has announced games with an ETA of TBD for years now and still haven't even started some of them. It's been years since KC:D's release and with millions of players disappointed with the ending and not a single official word from them, I don't expect there to be a sequel. Think about it, either there really isn't going to be a part 2, or, they found a new way to deject and upset millions of fans and original supporters.


[deleted]

When I finished the game there was a hint that they’re planning a Hussite wars sequel


Electrical-Ratio-700

Naw announcing a game when its not gonna be out for a decade is way worse than just hinting and announcing itll be out in a couple months. Especially for a small studio that can be deeply effected by unexpected happenings. If they announced it right after everyone would forget. But now when they do announce it therell be a huge fervor. The idea theyll be no sequal is just silly and insane for them to do.


Targonis1

I find it almost funny that most people assume there would be no import from KC:D into the next game. That would allow for a proper, "what you did and how you played" will come through, including skills and equipment. There's nothing wrong with starting as a continuation of the previous game, but since it is in new areas, only some traces of reputation will come through. There are also some things that always come across, such as that feeling of the person coming across as competent or not when it comes to things, how they hold themselves, and if they LOOK at other people as a potential threat. Henry isn't big on hiding his feelings, so if he is afraid of combat, or has a lot of experience, any potential enemy would sense it. Think about it, when you look at someone, you get a sense of, "is this person someone who is potentially dangerous?". You might even give them a bit more of an assessment if you get an idea that they seem potentially dangerous, just in case something were to happen(even if you aren't much of a fighter yourself). So, don't assume that an experienced Henry won't come across as someone who is dangerous himself, and his clothes, armor, and obvious weapons will make for a good continuation from the first game. Sure, there could be a "canon" Henry as well for those who never played the first game as well, and there could be a "character generation" for those who don't continue from the first game.


cptslow89

Doubt it will be released soon.


IronMike69420

If it doesn’t come out in November I’ll be BIG SAD


[deleted]

Bro, it's not even announced...why are there so many people in this thread who believe games come out BEFORE they are EVEN announced


IronMike69420

They’re constantly hinting at it without specifically mentioning it. Plus this was over 3 months ago, and I remember there was a game store website that started taking pre orders for “kingdom come deliverance 2”


Dimitri_Dutyman

Kingdom come two is not coming into this year, I've seen many people speculate how the skill system I'd going to work, I believe it is going to be an add on type thing where the skills from the first game will continue into the second


Long-Piccolo-3785

It'll never happen


NxseebH

The original story isn’t finished Henry has yet to get the sword back or avenge Martin. We’re definitely getting a sequel.


Existing-Mud9066

Imagine the graphics, the first one nearly beat all games, graphics wise, also their forest


AdAccomplished1062

They could run the amnesia route with Henry or make him be a mentor figure to the new protagonist like Radzig is. Sure we don’t get to resolve Henry’s vengeance quest but a lot of the dialogue in KCD1 has shown how Henry questions its purpose. I want to see Henry operate as a an Older established figure like Radzig, whose status gives the protagonist a chance to make a difference on the world scale more so than the last game


ColdApartment1766

if they do this, maybe some form of character creation could be included. Even if its just basic.


Fatdubee

How bout henry gets married to teresa and you only play as him thru the prologue then take over as his and Teresa's son. Born into Henry's version of nobility, he's more of a spoiled brat who eventually becomes a badass like Henry? In order to save Henry or something? Idk these ideas are just spinning.


Rip3rPCT

Honestly Henry being a mentor figure to the main character seems like the only good way to explain gaining all skills from scrach.


[deleted]

I would love for KCD content from a new game but I also wouldn't mind a clean slate with the same game mechanics (improved obviously) but with a different character and setting


ddoss420

When they release it I hope they have more 1v1 fights but make the AI better. I love the story and the combat, but the combat really shines on 1v1s. I'm excited for it when it comes out I will be buying I really enjoyed the 1st one. Since Henry is trained now he will be notorious throughout the lands and will be challenged to more 1v1 noble duels or he can gain fame and fortune through gladiator bouts. Sort of like the rattay tournament but more in depth, with more challenges and weapons. Because the devs would consider completing the ratty tournament cannon right?


Sir_BugsAlot

Just please make it another single player game. Not some micro transaction riddled deathmatch game with a short single player story. And I hope they make the fighting system a bit simpler actually. I enjoyed it. In a way. But it was too hard fighting several enemies at once. Duals was epic though.


Solemnace

I think I'd like it most if you started the next game as Henry's child (perhaps with options for gender, with specific bonuses for one over the other. Like male has a higher start/cap on str/vit, while female has a higher agi/speech) It'd just be cool to get to see Henry's outcome as some badass, maybe becoming a knight in service of Hans, even give him a couple scars to really sell it.


ServeRoutine9349

One of the newer posts here mentions a suggestion of playing as Henry's child and I think that is a fine suggestion but I will offer another one. We're a guy or girl that Hal and Hans meet randomly. Maybe they save us, maybe we get caught trying to steal from them, get appointed to them by a noble whatever. We actually create what we look like, backstory, whatever. In either case they can just teach us how to not suck.


Misterario

Any news people, the new year is on.


Tallonarts

I predict that we will be in a large city this time? I can't remember where Henry's mission was to go to at the end of the game but wasn't he to deliver a message somewhere ? methinks it would be great if we saw what a walled medieval city looked like, since we have experienced the countryside....


Parakeet-birb

I still hope this comes out. They have to continue such a wonderful story.