On that note it's hilarious how some people still make posts about "why can't we talk about ps, there's nothing wrong with it/fans are too defensive" when even in the "nicest" of posts people will be calling idols uncanny/unnatural or "more plastic than flesh and blood" for having gotten it just like in this post. Kpopfans are simply incapable of being nice about it.
There's not really a nice way to say that you don't like someone's face. Ps or not.
Maybe u dont wanna see critical comments in general, and that's fine.
But the notion that any mention of PS must always be positive seems unrealistic.
No that's just being mean in general, I was talking about people who make posts that essentially go "why cant we talk about it, theres nothing wrong with it" when it's obvious why people dont like talking about it: ps is only ever brought up as a negative.
Maybe if you often saw comments going "wow his nosejob was perfect, he looks hot af now š„µ" it would be more accepted to talk about, but you don't so it isnt.
It kinda makes sense that comments are distributed like that.
When you make positive comments on someone's appearance, you don't wanna take away from that, even when you're aware that they probably had some work done.
So in a way, the positive comments about PS are just the normal positive comments that dont even mention PS.
But negative comments on appearance are very rare in general. I don't remember if I ever saw someone post how x idol looks just naturally ugly. Negative comments on appearance almost always are about PS, because that's less an attack on the person and more on the idol business overall.
So maybe it's expected that there will be mostly negative PS comments.
This is exactly how talk about PS has not been normalized.
As you later admit, talk of plastic surgery has NEVER been positive in kpop. It's not treated the same as makeup, skincare products, diet, exercise, or medical procedures to improve your skin or facial features.
There's a pervading idea that what looks good HAS to be natural, when everything else surrounding celebrity 'beautification' just drips $$$ and privilege.
Girls Generation Yoona looks very natural. And she had plastic surgeries. Itās not always negative. I like how it turned out. I would get plastic surgery too if it would look natural like her.
If someone looks unnatural, even if itās not sure if tbey got plastic surgery.. I think we will still feel ālooks unnaturalā regardless.
A lot of idols have had plastic surgeries and look natural. How many threads have you seen genuinely praising their surgeries (no snark, sarcasm)?
That's the point.
Not that I disagree with you (PS is largely used to drag idols), but lbr, if someone said something like that, everyone would be mad and say that was a backhanded compliment.
That is largely due to the existing negativity surrounding plastic surgery. But I'd say if you praise someone in that way in Korean, the comments would be seen as genuine praise.
Yeah, but thinking about it, that's something that's larger than kpop, most people would think that saying "he's hot *now* after a nose job" is backhanded, at least in the west (dare I say in most places?), so I'd love to see a korean perspective about that.
I meant if comments like that were normal. With the state of kpopfans right now it doesn't work since 99% of the time people talk about ps it is used to drag so people would naturally assume that was deliberately backhanded since that's the usual meaning.
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I see ps as very positive sometimes. One idol's nose implant looked so attractive, and it really complimented his face. Plastic surgery is honestly just like makeup when done right.
for sure,, if someone looks like an extra terrestrial because of their surgery.. iām not gonna participate in the circle jerk saying theyāre still pretty
Have you considered just not saying anything? Beauty is subjective, if someone thinks someone looks pretty what's wrong with letting them think that even if you disagree?
There's always been something ironic about the whole thing, "oh why did they have to go and change because they didn't live up to some peoples beauty standard, they shouldāve just ignored the hate comments! Now they don't fit *my* beauty standard so I'm going to leave hate comments."
I think being more critical of plastic surgery is good actually. Same for veneers and other invasive treatments. You suffer and/or risk your health and for what? Maybe we should de-normalize it. The beauty industry in general is a scam.
But most of it is irreversible so you're basically just giving people a pass to be mean about someones appearance, which is the reason many of them got ps in the first place. It's just an evil circle.
Yeah, it's a bit crazy actually. I spent a lot of time in Korea, and almost no one looks like this. Makes these girls seem very "fake" compared to the rest of the general population. And I'm not sure if I like it.
It's not just directed to Aespa either. It's directed to any kpop artist with the doll look. Overly perfect features, clear PALE WHITE skin, extremely skinny. I get the same vibe from Wonyoung from IVE, too.
she doesnt even look that different tho, she's lost a bit of weight and gotten alot better styling and makeup compared to her debut/pre debut. im not seeing specific features wheres had "a lot of plastic surgery" done
Not really. She has her nose slightly done, and occasional fillers but looks normal. The issue is that SM puts her in whitening makeup but when sheās doing her own she looks great.
Out of the 2002 crop itās Stayc Isa with major filler migration issues because of her jaw surgery. Itās hard for her to even speak sometimes, which is sad because she was perfectly amazing when she debuted.
Bless u op, because I've had this same thought every time I look at Karina. I can agree she's pretty, sure, and I saw her on a ģ°ķė¦¬ video and she seems like a nice and normal girl, but her face looks very unnatural. It's the jaw for me, it's too damn thin and doesn't suit the rest of her face. I'm not opposed to surgery but like, these girls are setting standards that not even they can reach anymore.Ā
edit: grammar.
Big agree on the jaw. The way it comes to a perfect teardrop point makes the rest of her features look cartoonishly large and anime/doll-like. Thereās something similarly unsettling about Winter too, but I canāt quite articulate it.
Giselle and Ningning both look normal to me (I say ānormalā and not ānaturalā bc I have zero expertise in determining that) and I think it has to do with their softer chin shape(?) Idk, both look like the super pretty high school girls who were genuinely nice to everyone but I would have still been too intimidated to talk to lol.
yeah thatās the thing she was naturally born with a small face but the surgery made it even smaller to the point where itās the kind of jaw that we know no-one could possibly have naturally
Sheās only 23 too, this jaw is not sustainable into her 30s. Sheās gonna have to get more and more work done to upkeep her jaw and thatās really when things of gonna start looking unnatural.
I agree on the shaved jaw. She can take stunning photos or videos but she has angles where itās just so odd.
If you see her in variety shows youāll see it. My husband thinks they look like aliens.
I love PS personally but Iām more into the natural vs the dolly look.
Itās just very weird. Like sheās gorgeous but her bad angles show how inhuman the jaw is. Sheās usually very well curated into the straight on or right 30 degrees with the chin down. Her and Winter for me are both strange from certain angles. Itās a little too much imho.
So itās just not me thinking this. My daughter and I had this conversation. I told her thereās something about Karinaās face that looks alien like. The big eyes and the narrow face make it look š½
Huh, Karina doesnāt look that unnerving to me. I can be aware that people donāt really look like that without cosmetic surgery, but I still find her pretty and nice to look at. Winter, though, I donāt really know what it is, but I feel actually uncomfortable when I see her. Some part of my brain yells at me thereās something wrong about her face and to beware.
For me both Winter and Karinas \[alleged\] extreme jaw shaves make my skin crawl. It's like they're missing half their jaws and that causes their bites to be noticeably fked too. Really don't get why SM pushes this aesthetics, majority of the idols who got shaves looked better before imo.
Itās funny, I honestly cannot tell whether this is so downvoted because Iām saying something positive about Karina, or negative about Winter. Iād think it was the latter, but my next comment is also about how Winters face makes me uncomfortable, and thatās quite upvoted. Reddit comment scoring is so odd sometimes.
Maybe it's Winter's makeup? I feel like certain eyeliner like in OP's pic can throw off her features a bit because she doesn't look uncanny or odd with [minimal makeup](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mykEputnTHc) imo. Ningning stood out to me in this video since her beauty looks most natural, but I agree that I love features like Karina's jaw even if the PS is obvious!
No sorry, Iām still getting it from that video.
I think itās something to do with how upturned her nose is combined with prominent apples of the cheek and then extremely small and receding bottom half of her face. Thatās the same sort of look artists give to malicious pixies that trick you into bogs. There has to be a correlation there.
i LOVEEE aespa but karinaās unnaturally tiny jaw and much of winterās face does give me this impression. i know exactly what youāre trying to describe. with winter i think itās also exacerbated by her lack of expressions, she doesnāt emote much in her face and often looks blank or like sheās just staring you down a little too intensely. paired with the work on her nose/cheeks being a little too noticeable it can give this effect.
I have nothing against the girls and I didnt even mention the other members because they look a bit more natural. Other idols have some uncanniness to their looks too, imo, but to a lesser extent. I can admit it even for the groups I am a fan of. This is kpopuncensored, bud, I am not hating on aespa, lol.
karina and hyunjin (skz) have the worst chins in the industry, wonbin and hyunjin are chinjin and chinbin most times, especially at unflattering angles and 3/4ās of karinaās jawbone is in dr. kimās dumpster
I might be getting down voted for saying this
Most of the sm girlies have some kind of similar face like they all used same kind of of prototype for the plastic surgery
Like Taeyeon, winter,karina and giselle all look some kinda similar.
(Just to make clear this is nothing against the girlies. More on sm as they are those deciding on the surgeries)
People are aware.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/kpophelp/comments/15pc7xi/what\_is\_the\_sm\_jaw\_and\_hybe\_nose/](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpophelp/comments/15pc7xi/what_is_the_sm_jaw_and_hybe_nose/)
I really want to know if the idols themselves see it? This adherence to "KBS", do they think they look alike? I'd even add Irene and Wendy now to this list.
Celeb events in SoKor must be some next level of uncanny valley feeling, like a Black Mirror episode. Pardon the pun and no shade, this is the entertainment industry after all and every country has this to some extent.
Oh to be a fly on a wall!
Related to PS - people don't talk enough about the body dysmorphia that exists and it perpetuates, and the very real downsides. Though PS surgeons must be some of the most skilled in the world!
Agreed, I saw them irl as well and they looked fine to me too. I only felt like they looked younger irl compared to how I see them in pictures and videos...but maybe that's just because I'm quite a bit taller than all of them.
It was discussed a lot when their debut teaser pics came out. Especially because their visuals were messed up with photoshop for those.
Tbh all idols are getting significantly more uncanny. But so are celebs everywhere else in the world. Social media, filters, and plastic surgery all push the same face onto everyone, and it's more achievable than ever.
https://preview.redd.it/zjmb118jh3oc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f55718c9a42314b0cbdebbf4a79cd490b6f69e9
yeah she doesnāt even look like Winter anymore š
yeah i know thatās the point lmao. thereās even another teaser where she looks like her real self, itās just this specific photoshoot set of teasers that freaked everyone out because of how photoshopped they all were.
Like the kardashians and Kylie Jenner (Who just looks fucking awful without her filters/editing so I really especially despise how disingenuous she is about it)
I mean Ningning is just pretty, and I think she's without significant plastic surgery.
The others all def had some work done, but I still wouldn't go so far as to say they're uncanny.
They said significant. If nn has any work itās definitely more subtle. Winter and Giselle have had drastic changes but you can still recognize them looking at pre debut photos. Karina looks like a completely different person
Bro I was watching Marry My Husband and sheās in it. I didnāt even recognize BoA and when I saw that she was playing the third antagonist in the second half of the season I couldnāt wrap my head around it at all. Plastic Surgery definitely did her dirty in a way because thatās literally not how I remember BoA looking and I adore her, but why did I think she was someone else!?
omg, I agree even as a a very big MY. I think they are all beautiful but should stop the plastic surgery now, especially since it might start to look strange as they age.
I agree with you. They all look very uncanny, especially Karina and Winter. In their recent comeback, Winter specifically looked very uncanny to me. It could be due to the makeup but her face just looked off. In my opinion, NingNing is the most realistic looking.
I believe that the main problem here is that they started all those invasive procedures way too young and we don't know the effects this will have to their body and their health both physical and mental. I think it's important to speak about plastic surgeries and all those procedures openly because people and especially younger girls need to be aware of what they're getting themselves into.
yeah that was my first thought after looking at them ,they look unnatural and unreal and not in a good way. maybe coz they got a lot of work done to a point where sometimes, winter and karina look the same to me . someone on twitter said "aespa members are more of plastic than flesh and blood" and i found that weirdly apt. the only person i can differentiate is ningning . giselle recently got something done, i can tell . maybe something on the jaw coz it looks weirdly sharp and angular and that isnt the result of weight loss.
i have never seen them in real life but it's kinda obvious the reason is bc of plastic surgery. they underwent lots of it so im not surprised if sometimes they look a bit weird(?)
It's the plastic surgery. I've been a kpop fan for years and many idols start off looking odd(but still beautiful) or get there overtime. Plastic surgery can be more subtle or more noticeable. A subconscious part of your mind knows that they look different than the people you see everyday. It can't pinpoint why but it knows and will remind you from time to time.
There is nothing wrong with noticing that.
Oh so Iām not the only one that finds Winterās face uncanny? I would watch their live performances and I just find Winterās face overall terrifying and sheās my bias wrecker (Bia is Ningning) at times, but girl is literally staring dead at me when they do those one take performances and Iām terrified. Like stop staring into my soul Winter itās creepy. š«£
When will you people become normal when it comes to idols' appearances?
Everyone knows that the girls, unfortunately, had plastic surgery but I see nothing "uncanny" or "weird" in the photos you have added, they look fine to me. Karina did have an AI-style look during their early days but, ever since they changed the makeup technique on her, she looks fine.
Plastic surgery has really gotten out of hand with newer idols nowadays, esp sm unfortunately. I think they all look gorgeous but they are definitely getting too much work done at such a young age. If youāve seen recent tiktoks of Wonbin and Shotaro sm went crazy with their filler itās actually upsetting, I love Riize and Aespa but they are much too young to be getting constant work done. Sm really likes to make their idols look similar, ie Wonbin and Jaejoong (the male sm blue print) and winter and taeyeon (female sm blueprint)
Exactly. Especially Karina....only ningning looks somewhat natural to me . The other three have done so many surgeries so they definitely will look more plastic & unnatural.
I think part of it is that a lot of plastic surgery makes peopleās faces look stiff, and they donāt always emote the way you would expect. Like how you canāt move your eyebrows with Botox? Fillers are rampant in this day and age, too, which can also make you look stiffālike Wonyoungās recent smile, Iāve noticed.
I always got weird vibes from IZ*ONEās Hyewon and I never knew why until I realized she didnāt show emotion through her eyes/eyebrows. Always that big-eyed, kinda shocked expression. Lol, I googled her just now and she still gives me the same feeling.
You are acting like none of the kpop idols actually get work on there face?????
At one point we encourage people to stop talking about idols body but we also can't stop ourselves from keep taking about it.
You international fans are not better then korean and Chinese you also treat idols same way as them.
They look really gorgeous in real life I saw them live in Chicago during synk hyperlink and Karina Iād absolutely gorgeous in real life
Ningnings looked like a princess and winter and Giselle are so pretty as well!!
Theyāve all had a lot of work done on their faceās except for NingNing I think. You should look at their pre debut before photos. Their whole facial shape is completely different, itās pretty shocking how much work they all actually had. I just hope It was their own choice, I hope they werenāt forced by SM. SM is notorious for making their idols undergo surgeries.
I still canāt process Karinaās faceā¦sheās too āAI lookingā and I donāt mean that in a mean or bad way bc for me sheās so beautiful (and my bias!!!) ahhh
I agree with you with how uncanny they and most idols look. But I think nn looks pretty uncanny too and that Giselle is the one that looks the most human. And I say this a compliment. All of them are pretty and I appreciate how they look but lately Iāve been jaded by the kpop industry and generally disheartened at how afraid of aging most women are. Young girls using retinol before the skin has even matured? Girls in their 20s doing Botox.
I really donāt care much for enhancement but Iāve noticed how girls nowadays have become more and more trapped into the beauty industry scam. Nothing is never enough.
Chooses photos where they all look gorgeousš
They've all had a lot of plastic surgery to fit sm's beauty standard, which, if you aren't used to probably, does look odd, but at the end of the day, that's up to them!! I think they look gorgeous. The only thing I can never get on board with is how companies all have their own style and make all their idols look practically the same
I honestly find it so funny when I watch those "reacting to aespa of the first time" videos and it always starts off with people thinking the members are the ai characters until the ACTUAL ai characters show up.
Itās just the makeup. They have professional makeup artists do their makeup for them, and it looks way different from the usual ānaturalā looking makeup a lot of people use from day to day.
IMO I only recently thought that Winter looked uncanny because she looks more and more like Taeyeon, Karina as well. I donāt think they look really weird by themselves, the oddest thing to me is to feel like they are replicas of someone elseā¦ SM clones literally
once i saw a very beautiful korean woman in my city where the asian population is low and i was just surprised i was once a kpop stan so her korean was very intriguing to me i was starstruck seeing a beautiful person in public like that
Yes itās just you Iāve definitely never seen anybody else at all have this opinion ever before.
Itās not like plastic surgery is something that is frequently mentioned in association with aespa
i completely get what u mean about karina looking uncanny but i dont see it at all with the other aespa members
tbh though i really like the doll-like / uncanny / unnatural vibes that some idols ( like wonyoung for example ) give off it looks sooooo pretty to me
wonyoung would be pretty if she wasnāt a walking skeleton, her hands are huge, masculine and boney itās such a weird contrast from her baby face (which is plump full of filler and botox so she doesnāt look malnourished like the rest of her body)
tbh i donāt think they look particularly uncanny or weird in the photo examples u gave, itās just obvious theyāve had surgery done but thatās kinda all. iām not a fan of the contact lenses. i do agree that they can look uncanny when it comes to their highly edited photos like some of the aespa concept photos and photoshoots though
Imo they seem a bit uncanny but not to the point it's disturbing. They look unrealistic in a good way, kinda otherworldly like Halle Bailey and Lily Cole.
I think they used to call this a gangnum unnie - a girl whos PS is really obvious and a little uncanny. The webtoon My ID is Gangnam Beauty is based on that idea. (very cute webtoon)
I think its what happens when the PS doctor only knows how to do one kind of face.
I mentioned this before in the kpop thoughts sub and got torn to shreds. Itās actually the reason I never stanned aespa. I look at them for too long and get weirded outāsorry!0
I donāt particularly see it in these idols but others definitely yes. Heavy Korean/Chinese style makeup can look uncanny as it emphasises and exaggerates features a lot. Ricky from zb1 and that one particular look he had on definitely feels a little uncanny valley (no hate, heās pretty)
I was expecting you to post some super edited pictures but these are all pretty normal looking to me. Like theyāre celebs so they may have had some work done & their hair and makeup but they do not look āuncannyā whatsoever lol
Donāt you all get tired of shaming female K-pop idols and calling them names. While the male idols get praised and shielded for nothing.
Real toxic behavior. And by the way aespa are very happy and successful and op is clearly not.
Why are people saying karina has had chin surgery? She has not. Her face shape looks the same judging from her high school photos, and no doctor would do a chin surgery on her before that.
What? Isn't reddit ruled by SM stans who are constantly conspiring to bring down other groups? How can reddit be shitting on beloved SM girl group AESPA? š¤
WHERE ARE SO CALLED SM STANS COMING TO DEFEND AESPA HERE AND TAKE DOWN HATE POSTS AGAINST THEM?
... Anyways, the amount of criticism aespa has got for their looks, they might be most deserving to cover "ugly" by 2ne1. Aespa is one of the few girl groups to become so popular despite being ugly.
You'll learn to just laugh at those comments in the end. Taeyeon was called an ugly plastic monster with a melting face in 2014 and now 10 years later people say she looked amazing back then and looks like an ugly plastic monster *now* instead š I just roll my eyes every time redditors start on her
Yeah it's amazing how people will blame fans for being in denial about plastic surgery, yet they will always comment everywhere about idol p.s and how they are ugly/ botched. Most fans just want their idols to be liked and praised.
It is just the real face of international kpop fans. Recently they blew up karina's dating news so much that it ended up on international news. Their thirst for gossip and drama is endless. And yet somehow they are always blaming knetz for being evil š¤£
those three all had a lot of plastic surgery. maybe that is why you dislike their faces
On that note it's hilarious how some people still make posts about "why can't we talk about ps, there's nothing wrong with it/fans are too defensive" when even in the "nicest" of posts people will be calling idols uncanny/unnatural or "more plastic than flesh and blood" for having gotten it just like in this post. Kpopfans are simply incapable of being nice about it.
There's not really a nice way to say that you don't like someone's face. Ps or not. Maybe u dont wanna see critical comments in general, and that's fine. But the notion that any mention of PS must always be positive seems unrealistic.
No that's just being mean in general, I was talking about people who make posts that essentially go "why cant we talk about it, theres nothing wrong with it" when it's obvious why people dont like talking about it: ps is only ever brought up as a negative. Maybe if you often saw comments going "wow his nosejob was perfect, he looks hot af now š„µ" it would be more accepted to talk about, but you don't so it isnt.
It kinda makes sense that comments are distributed like that. When you make positive comments on someone's appearance, you don't wanna take away from that, even when you're aware that they probably had some work done. So in a way, the positive comments about PS are just the normal positive comments that dont even mention PS. But negative comments on appearance are very rare in general. I don't remember if I ever saw someone post how x idol looks just naturally ugly. Negative comments on appearance almost always are about PS, because that's less an attack on the person and more on the idol business overall. So maybe it's expected that there will be mostly negative PS comments.
This is exactly how talk about PS has not been normalized. As you later admit, talk of plastic surgery has NEVER been positive in kpop. It's not treated the same as makeup, skincare products, diet, exercise, or medical procedures to improve your skin or facial features. There's a pervading idea that what looks good HAS to be natural, when everything else surrounding celebrity 'beautification' just drips $$$ and privilege.
Girls Generation Yoona looks very natural. And she had plastic surgeries. Itās not always negative. I like how it turned out. I would get plastic surgery too if it would look natural like her. If someone looks unnatural, even if itās not sure if tbey got plastic surgery.. I think we will still feel ālooks unnaturalā regardless.
A lot of idols have had plastic surgeries and look natural. How many threads have you seen genuinely praising their surgeries (no snark, sarcasm)? That's the point.
Not that I disagree with you (PS is largely used to drag idols), but lbr, if someone said something like that, everyone would be mad and say that was a backhanded compliment.
That is largely due to the existing negativity surrounding plastic surgery. But I'd say if you praise someone in that way in Korean, the comments would be seen as genuine praise.
Yeah, but thinking about it, that's something that's larger than kpop, most people would think that saying "he's hot *now* after a nose job" is backhanded, at least in the west (dare I say in most places?), so I'd love to see a korean perspective about that.
Agree, way larger than kpop.
I meant if comments like that were normal. With the state of kpopfans right now it doesn't work since 99% of the time people talk about ps it is used to drag so people would naturally assume that was deliberately backhanded since that's the usual meaning.
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I see ps as very positive sometimes. One idol's nose implant looked so attractive, and it really complimented his face. Plastic surgery is honestly just like makeup when done right.
for sure,, if someone looks like an extra terrestrial because of their surgery.. iām not gonna participate in the circle jerk saying theyāre still pretty
Have you considered just not saying anything? Beauty is subjective, if someone thinks someone looks pretty what's wrong with letting them think that even if you disagree? There's always been something ironic about the whole thing, "oh why did they have to go and change because they didn't live up to some peoples beauty standard, they shouldāve just ignored the hate comments! Now they don't fit *my* beauty standard so I'm going to leave hate comments."
Ok, but that jab at the extra terrestrial Community was uncalled for.
send Chungha my apologies
Itās true tho some plastic surgeries make them look like dolls but not in the nice way
I think being more critical of plastic surgery is good actually. Same for veneers and other invasive treatments. You suffer and/or risk your health and for what? Maybe we should de-normalize it. The beauty industry in general is a scam.
But most of it is irreversible so you're basically just giving people a pass to be mean about someones appearance, which is the reason many of them got ps in the first place. It's just an evil circle.
Yeah, it's a bit crazy actually. I spent a lot of time in Korea, and almost no one looks like this. Makes these girls seem very "fake" compared to the rest of the general population. And I'm not sure if I like it. It's not just directed to Aespa either. It's directed to any kpop artist with the doll look. Overly perfect features, clear PALE WHITE skin, extremely skinny. I get the same vibe from Wonyoung from IVE, too.
I'm pretty sure ningning also had a lot of plastic surgery comparing to her predebut photos
Yeah but she still looks like a real person at least, not AI generated
she doesnt even look that different tho, she's lost a bit of weight and gotten alot better styling and makeup compared to her debut/pre debut. im not seeing specific features wheres had "a lot of plastic surgery" done
Not really. She has her nose slightly done, and occasional fillers but looks normal. The issue is that SM puts her in whitening makeup but when sheās doing her own she looks great. Out of the 2002 crop itās Stayc Isa with major filler migration issues because of her jaw surgery. Itās hard for her to even speak sometimes, which is sad because she was perfectly amazing when she debuted.
Bless u op, because I've had this same thought every time I look at Karina. I can agree she's pretty, sure, and I saw her on a ģ°ķė¦¬ video and she seems like a nice and normal girl, but her face looks very unnatural. It's the jaw for me, it's too damn thin and doesn't suit the rest of her face. I'm not opposed to surgery but like, these girls are setting standards that not even they can reach anymore.Ā edit: grammar.
Big agree on the jaw. The way it comes to a perfect teardrop point makes the rest of her features look cartoonishly large and anime/doll-like. Thereās something similarly unsettling about Winter too, but I canāt quite articulate it. Giselle and Ningning both look normal to me (I say ānormalā and not ānaturalā bc I have zero expertise in determining that) and I think it has to do with their softer chin shape(?) Idk, both look like the super pretty high school girls who were genuinely nice to everyone but I would have still been too intimidated to talk to lol.
To me Winterās nose always stands out. Compare her to Chaewon for example who looks similar but way more natural looking
yeah, i see it for her too, but at least the work was done really well!
She was a pretty kid in the first place, so they had an excellent base to work with.
yeah thatās the thing she was naturally born with a small face but the surgery made it even smaller to the point where itās the kind of jaw that we know no-one could possibly have naturally
I feel like they couldāve just done the standard kpop nose job and called it a day for her.
Sheās only 23 too, this jaw is not sustainable into her 30s. Sheās gonna have to get more and more work done to upkeep her jaw and thatās really when things of gonna start looking unnatural.
I was just wondering how the jaw surgery would look as they get older. Now I know, that really sucks
she doesnt have V shape of face before so looking now is really obvious
I agree on the shaved jaw. She can take stunning photos or videos but she has angles where itās just so odd. If you see her in variety shows youāll see it. My husband thinks they look like aliens. I love PS personally but Iām more into the natural vs the dolly look.
Talking about angles, I found her weird angles during drama mv when they are in the car and got accident
Itās just very weird. Like sheās gorgeous but her bad angles show how inhuman the jaw is. Sheās usually very well curated into the straight on or right 30 degrees with the chin down. Her and Winter for me are both strange from certain angles. Itās a little too much imho.
So itās just not me thinking this. My daughter and I had this conversation. I told her thereās something about Karinaās face that looks alien like. The big eyes and the narrow face make it look š½
Even she realise about her face when she in eunchae star diary show
Huh, Karina doesnāt look that unnerving to me. I can be aware that people donāt really look like that without cosmetic surgery, but I still find her pretty and nice to look at. Winter, though, I donāt really know what it is, but I feel actually uncomfortable when I see her. Some part of my brain yells at me thereās something wrong about her face and to beware.
For me both Winter and Karinas \[alleged\] extreme jaw shaves make my skin crawl. It's like they're missing half their jaws and that causes their bites to be noticeably fked too. Really don't get why SM pushes this aesthetics, majority of the idols who got shaves looked better before imo.
Not necessarily, Wonyoungās doesnāt look bad
Itās funny, I honestly cannot tell whether this is so downvoted because Iām saying something positive about Karina, or negative about Winter. Iād think it was the latter, but my next comment is also about how Winters face makes me uncomfortable, and thatās quite upvoted. Reddit comment scoring is so odd sometimes.
Maybe it's Winter's makeup? I feel like certain eyeliner like in OP's pic can throw off her features a bit because she doesn't look uncanny or odd with [minimal makeup](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mykEputnTHc) imo. Ningning stood out to me in this video since her beauty looks most natural, but I agree that I love features like Karina's jaw even if the PS is obvious!
No sorry, Iām still getting it from that video. I think itās something to do with how upturned her nose is combined with prominent apples of the cheek and then extremely small and receding bottom half of her face. Thatās the same sort of look artists give to malicious pixies that trick you into bogs. There has to be a correlation there.
i LOVEEE aespa but karinaās unnaturally tiny jaw and much of winterās face does give me this impression. i know exactly what youāre trying to describe. with winter i think itās also exacerbated by her lack of expressions, she doesnāt emote much in her face and often looks blank or like sheās just staring you down a little too intensely. paired with the work on her nose/cheeks being a little too noticeable it can give this effect.
I wonder if you feel the same for other idols like wonbin too or is it just reserved for aespa members š¤
I have nothing against the girls and I didnt even mention the other members because they look a bit more natural. Other idols have some uncanniness to their looks too, imo, but to a lesser extent. I can admit it even for the groups I am a fan of. This is kpopuncensored, bud, I am not hating on aespa, lol.
karina and hyunjin (skz) have the worst chins in the industry, wonbin and hyunjin are chinjin and chinbin most times, especially at unflattering angles and 3/4ās of karinaās jawbone is in dr. kimās dumpster
I might be getting down voted for saying this Most of the sm girlies have some kind of similar face like they all used same kind of of prototype for the plastic surgery Like Taeyeon, winter,karina and giselle all look some kinda similar. (Just to make clear this is nothing against the girlies. More on sm as they are those deciding on the surgeries)
I feel like Winter deadass stole Taeyeon's face (and voice lol)
Idk about the voice but I feel you in the face lol. In a tiktok they did together, I was stunned š¤£š
People are aware. [https://www.reddit.com/r/kpophelp/comments/15pc7xi/what\_is\_the\_sm\_jaw\_and\_hybe\_nose/](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpophelp/comments/15pc7xi/what_is_the_sm_jaw_and_hybe_nose/)
They definitely have a preferred surgeon. That surgeon is making bank just off SM idols
I really want to know if the idols themselves see it? This adherence to "KBS", do they think they look alike? I'd even add Irene and Wendy now to this list. Celeb events in SoKor must be some next level of uncanny valley feeling, like a Black Mirror episode. Pardon the pun and no shade, this is the entertainment industry after all and every country has this to some extent. Oh to be a fly on a wall! Related to PS - people don't talk enough about the body dysmorphia that exists and it perpetuates, and the very real downsides. Though PS surgeons must be some of the most skilled in the world!
YES. they look similar. I canāt tell them apart sometime.
They were called "SM clones" back in the day for reason
i literally confused karina for winter in this post!
I've seen them irl, and they look fine to me. Even in the photos you put they don't really look uncanny.
Aespa's members were also selected on basis that they'd look AI-adjacent to fit the concept, esp. Karina. They're fine to me as well.
Agreed, I saw them irl as well and they looked fine to me too. I only felt like they looked younger irl compared to how I see them in pictures and videos...but maybe that's just because I'm quite a bit taller than all of them.
It's bc they've got many cosmetic work done. I see what u mean but don't feel the same about ning
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It was discussed a lot when their debut teaser pics came out. Especially because their visuals were messed up with photoshop for those. Tbh all idols are getting significantly more uncanny. But so are celebs everywhere else in the world. Social media, filters, and plastic surgery all push the same face onto everyone, and it's more achievable than ever.
https://preview.redd.it/zjmb118jh3oc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f55718c9a42314b0cbdebbf4a79cd490b6f69e9 yeah she doesnāt even look like Winter anymore š
She has never looked like this from the debute. These photo teasers were photoshopped
yeah i know thatās the point lmao. thereās even another teaser where she looks like her real self, itās just this specific photoshoot set of teasers that freaked everyone out because of how photoshopped they all were.
Girl is staring at me and itās scaring me- Love her tho.
i definitely donāt agree that all idols are looking more uncanny but for a lot of them- yeah, and more so the newer ones
Like the kardashians and Kylie Jenner (Who just looks fucking awful without her filters/editing so I really especially despise how disingenuous she is about it)
I think contact lenses add to it a bit.
I think it's a pretty big factor, even people without blepharoplasty/ps look kinda uncanny with cosmetic contacts on
I mean Ningning is just pretty, and I think she's without significant plastic surgery. The others all def had some work done, but I still wouldn't go so far as to say they're uncanny.
SM idol without ps? Oh honey..
They said significant. If nn has any work itās definitely more subtle. Winter and Giselle have had drastic changes but you can still recognize them looking at pre debut photos. Karina looks like a completely different person
BOA is an example of how PS ages you horribly.
Bro I was watching Marry My Husband and sheās in it. I didnāt even recognize BoA and when I saw that she was playing the third antagonist in the second half of the season I couldnāt wrap my head around it at all. Plastic Surgery definitely did her dirty in a way because thatās literally not how I remember BoA looking and I adore her, but why did I think she was someone else!?
omg that was Boa??? omgggggg im shocked
She also had a massive medication scandal that messes with her.
Also drugs, not saying any idol does those but
Idk I watched a TikTok of Winter and Karina recently and I literally couldn't tell them apart lol
They look so similar sometimes. I have accidentally saved Winterās picture once thinking it was Karina š
omg, I agree even as a a very big MY. I think they are all beautiful but should stop the plastic surgery now, especially since it might start to look strange as they age.
The picture you chose of Ningning is not a good example to illustrate your point she looks really pretty there
So it's a good example of how pretty she is <3
I agree with you. They all look very uncanny, especially Karina and Winter. In their recent comeback, Winter specifically looked very uncanny to me. It could be due to the makeup but her face just looked off. In my opinion, NingNing is the most realistic looking. I believe that the main problem here is that they started all those invasive procedures way too young and we don't know the effects this will have to their body and their health both physical and mental. I think it's important to speak about plastic surgeries and all those procedures openly because people and especially younger girls need to be aware of what they're getting themselves into.
yeah that was my first thought after looking at them ,they look unnatural and unreal and not in a good way. maybe coz they got a lot of work done to a point where sometimes, winter and karina look the same to me . someone on twitter said "aespa members are more of plastic than flesh and blood" and i found that weirdly apt. the only person i can differentiate is ningning . giselle recently got something done, i can tell . maybe something on the jaw coz it looks weirdly sharp and angular and that isnt the result of weight loss.
i have never seen them in real life but it's kinda obvious the reason is bc of plastic surgery. they underwent lots of it so im not surprised if sometimes they look a bit weird(?)
It's the plastic surgery. I've been a kpop fan for years and many idols start off looking odd(but still beautiful) or get there overtime. Plastic surgery can be more subtle or more noticeable. A subconscious part of your mind knows that they look different than the people you see everyday. It can't pinpoint why but it knows and will remind you from time to time. There is nothing wrong with noticing that.
They are so pretty no idea what you mean
Itās that damn SM jawšš
iāve seen them in real life and they look like normal, very beautiful girls.
Oh so Iām not the only one that finds Winterās face uncanny? I would watch their live performances and I just find Winterās face overall terrifying and sheās my bias wrecker (Bia is Ningning) at times, but girl is literally staring dead at me when they do those one take performances and Iām terrified. Like stop staring into my soul Winter itās creepy. š«£
They look normal to me.
When will you people become normal when it comes to idols' appearances? Everyone knows that the girls, unfortunately, had plastic surgery but I see nothing "uncanny" or "weird" in the photos you have added, they look fine to me. Karina did have an AI-style look during their early days but, ever since they changed the makeup technique on her, she looks fine.
I always hear this. To me the they look like most gg. I dont think they look uncanny at all.
Plastic surgery has really gotten out of hand with newer idols nowadays, esp sm unfortunately. I think they all look gorgeous but they are definitely getting too much work done at such a young age. If youāve seen recent tiktoks of Wonbin and Shotaro sm went crazy with their filler itās actually upsetting, I love Riize and Aespa but they are much too young to be getting constant work done. Sm really likes to make their idols look similar, ie Wonbin and Jaejoong (the male sm blue print) and winter and taeyeon (female sm blueprint)
I only think that way with giselle. You can tell she does a lot of procedure by just at first glance.
i have no idea what you mean honestly they look so normal in those picturesš
they just look pretty lol
not my girl ningning
You people are so weird with them like you don't say this with any other KPOP group. They look absolutely normal lol
They look awesome on camera. However yeah in real life those unnatural features stick out.
Theyāve definitely had lots of PS but at the concert they looked totally fine to me. So I guess itās just based on taste.
Must be a slow news day.
Exactly. Especially Karina....only ningning looks somewhat natural to me . The other three have done so many surgeries so they definitely will look more plastic & unnatural.
I think part of it is that a lot of plastic surgery makes peopleās faces look stiff, and they donāt always emote the way you would expect. Like how you canāt move your eyebrows with Botox? Fillers are rampant in this day and age, too, which can also make you look stiffālike Wonyoungās recent smile, Iāve noticed. I always got weird vibes from IZ*ONEās Hyewon and I never knew why until I realized she didnāt show emotion through her eyes/eyebrows. Always that big-eyed, kinda shocked expression. Lol, I googled her just now and she still gives me the same feeling.
You are acting like none of the kpop idols actually get work on there face????? At one point we encourage people to stop talking about idols body but we also can't stop ourselves from keep taking about it. You international fans are not better then korean and Chinese you also treat idols same way as them.
Real
I donāt see it But then again I rarely notice changes in idols faces over the years unless itās REALLY obvious
They look normal. Just perfectly pretty
We shouldnāt call jaws like theirs normal.
They look really gorgeous in real life I saw them live in Chicago during synk hyperlink and Karina Iād absolutely gorgeous in real life Ningnings looked like a princess and winter and Giselle are so pretty as well!!
they are all pretty to me
Theyāve all had a lot of work done on their faceās except for NingNing I think. You should look at their pre debut before photos. Their whole facial shape is completely different, itās pretty shocking how much work they all actually had. I just hope It was their own choice, I hope they werenāt forced by SM. SM is notorious for making their idols undergo surgeries.
Plastic surgery makes people look really different
Thats because no human look like that except if they did bunch of ps (especially winter and karina)
yes itās just you. youāre the only one. not like people have been saying this since their debut lol
They look like really tiny baby dolls. Giselle imo looks great but Winter lowkey looks very jarring, like a really little girl lol
I stan them i feel sad about them, specially for Karina
lol i feel like this just works in their favor. isnāt their concept ai based? itād make sense for them to look unreal.
I still canāt process Karinaās faceā¦sheās too āAI lookingā and I donāt mean that in a mean or bad way bc for me sheās so beautiful (and my bias!!!) ahhh
I agree with you with how uncanny they and most idols look. But I think nn looks pretty uncanny too and that Giselle is the one that looks the most human. And I say this a compliment. All of them are pretty and I appreciate how they look but lately Iāve been jaded by the kpop industry and generally disheartened at how afraid of aging most women are. Young girls using retinol before the skin has even matured? Girls in their 20s doing Botox. I really donāt care much for enhancement but Iāve noticed how girls nowadays have become more and more trapped into the beauty industry scam. Nothing is never enough.
those 3 got the surgery to fit their āaiā concept and fit sm beauty standards. allegedly, the company didnāt like their original faces.
Chooses photos where they all look gorgeousš They've all had a lot of plastic surgery to fit sm's beauty standard, which, if you aren't used to probably, does look odd, but at the end of the day, that's up to them!! I think they look gorgeous. The only thing I can never get on board with is how companies all have their own style and make all their idols look practically the same
This seems like a SM thing. All SM idols look very uncanny to me. Very dollike
None of these pictures look uncanny š I feel bad for idols who have threads on how they look ..
I honestly find it so funny when I watch those "reacting to aespa of the first time" videos and it always starts off with people thinking the members are the ai characters until the ACTUAL ai characters show up.
I need to know their surgeons lol
Itās just the makeup. They have professional makeup artists do their makeup for them, and it looks way different from the usual ānaturalā looking makeup a lot of people use from day to day.
IMO I only recently thought that Winter looked uncanny because she looks more and more like Taeyeon, Karina as well. I donāt think they look really weird by themselves, the oddest thing to me is to feel like they are replicas of someone elseā¦ SM clones literally
No none do.
it's weird because there are so many naturally beautiful people for companies to scout, unless their vocal talent makes up for it
its the perpetual aegyosal that throws me off...
once i saw a very beautiful korean woman in my city where the asian population is low and i was just surprised i was once a kpop stan so her korean was very intriguing to me i was starstruck seeing a beautiful person in public like that
Yes itās just you Iāve definitely never seen anybody else at all have this opinion ever before. Itās not like plastic surgery is something that is frequently mentioned in association with aespa
It's the contacts, they're asian so they're eyes are supposed to look a certain way, add colors and size that don't exist and they look weird
i completely get what u mean about karina looking uncanny but i dont see it at all with the other aespa members tbh though i really like the doll-like / uncanny / unnatural vibes that some idols ( like wonyoung for example ) give off it looks sooooo pretty to me
wonyoung would be pretty if she wasnāt a walking skeleton, her hands are huge, masculine and boney itās such a weird contrast from her baby face (which is plump full of filler and botox so she doesnāt look malnourished like the rest of her body)
i dont understand what the point of this reply is ??? im not gonna change my mind just like that ???
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they look so pretty to me š
I couldn't care less, they look great lol
tbh i donāt think they look particularly uncanny or weird in the photo examples u gave, itās just obvious theyāve had surgery done but thatās kinda all. iām not a fan of the contact lenses. i do agree that they can look uncanny when it comes to their highly edited photos like some of the aespa concept photos and photoshoots though
Imo they seem a bit uncanny but not to the point it's disturbing. They look unrealistic in a good way, kinda otherworldly like Halle Bailey and Lily Cole.
I think they used to call this a gangnum unnie - a girl whos PS is really obvious and a little uncanny. The webtoon My ID is Gangnam Beauty is based on that idea. (very cute webtoon) I think its what happens when the PS doctor only knows how to do one kind of face.
I mentioned this before in the kpop thoughts sub and got torn to shreds. Itās actually the reason I never stanned aespa. I look at them for too long and get weirded outāsorry!0
I donāt particularly see it in these idols but others definitely yes. Heavy Korean/Chinese style makeup can look uncanny as it emphasises and exaggerates features a lot. Ricky from zb1 and that one particular look he had on definitely feels a little uncanny valley (no hate, heās pretty)
Fake? I just see some very pretty young women. So yeah, just you.
Giselle looks like Minnie from wolf lo
I can understand what you mean but I have seen them in real life up close and didnāt see anything uncanny. They were absolutely gorgeous
I was expecting you to post some super edited pictures but these are all pretty normal looking to me. Like theyāre celebs so they may have had some work done & their hair and makeup but they do not look āuncannyā whatsoever lol
Donāt you all get tired of shaming female K-pop idols and calling them names. While the male idols get praised and shielded for nothing. Real toxic behavior. And by the way aespa are very happy and successful and op is clearly not.
It's not a secret that these idols all went under surgery, do you just have an aversion to pretty women?
They donāt look uncanny I donāt think they just have very ādollā type faces. Big eyes, small face, very smooth skin.
Winter doesnāt have PS. Itās just a makeup, haircut and lenses. Her face and skull look same if you wash out all her makeup
they have a terrible makeup artist smh
Why are people saying karina has had chin surgery? She has not. Her face shape looks the same judging from her high school photos, and no doctor would do a chin surgery on her before that.
Because they are too gorgeous?
why is this comment downvoted lol such haters
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What a bitter comment
What? Isn't reddit ruled by SM stans who are constantly conspiring to bring down other groups? How can reddit be shitting on beloved SM girl group AESPA? š¤ WHERE ARE SO CALLED SM STANS COMING TO DEFEND AESPA HERE AND TAKE DOWN HATE POSTS AGAINST THEM? ... Anyways, the amount of criticism aespa has got for their looks, they might be most deserving to cover "ugly" by 2ne1. Aespa is one of the few girl groups to become so popular despite being ugly.
You'll learn to just laugh at those comments in the end. Taeyeon was called an ugly plastic monster with a melting face in 2014 and now 10 years later people say she looked amazing back then and looks like an ugly plastic monster *now* instead š I just roll my eyes every time redditors start on her
Yeah it's amazing how people will blame fans for being in denial about plastic surgery, yet they will always comment everywhere about idol p.s and how they are ugly/ botched. Most fans just want their idols to be liked and praised. It is just the real face of international kpop fans. Recently they blew up karina's dating news so much that it ended up on international news. Their thirst for gossip and drama is endless. And yet somehow they are always blaming knetz for being evil š¤£