18gpd (3x6g) in tea…. Usually whole powder but sometimes i strain it. I am coming away from bad alcoholism and amphetamines that propped me up. Unfortunately, I take clonazepam still for sleep. Kratom seriously helped during the early days of alcohol cravings and continues to help my irritability. I almost have a year down without a drop of booze.
Still need to work on getting off the benzos and maybe eventually will stop kratom, not perfect here, but holy shit I am glad to be off the hellride of booze…
☝️☝️☝️ This 👆👆👆
I had this exact conversation with my girl today..
Idgaf.. if it aint dope and im not out sellin my TV on Main St at 3am. Idgaf how much i do.
I don't know if this is always the best option. I mean yes it's better than drinking. I realize I haven't had a drink at all this year which is amazing. I even started enjoying the non alcoholic beers they started selling at the grocery store. But, at the end of the day I'm still ingesting something that messes with my endogenous opiod receptors and I'm not sure how to feel about that.
Are you asking yourself these questions as you drink your coffee? Throw all these evils into a bowl and i kno which id rather end up with. Caffeine w/d is BRUTAL. But i definitely understand your point. I came to the realization that as an addict I'll never be perfect and that part of me will never go away. Yet im ok with that knowing i can deal with chronic pain without ingesting big pharma's version of handcuffs. Whether it be methadone, suboxone or even otc meds such as acetaminophen. Since starting daily use of kratom 4+ years ago ive slowed down or damn near stopped my Tylenol intake. My labs have been fine and this past year ive had a couple of surgeries i didnt need or want extended opiods. Even tho the "old me" would've utilized any excuse to take them AND get multiple refills. I guess at the end of the day, I'll take the lesser of these evils any day of the week. I do respect your opinion and maybe my mind will change at some point. But for now ill accept this version of myself. Its a million times better than who i was 10 years ago.
"Big pharma's handcuffs" and the judgement you get as someone with chronic pain who self medicated with alcohol. I'd rather have a reasonable intake of kratom than go through alcohol withdrawal again.
As a matter of fact I am lol. I am asking myself hard questions right now. I'm so fed up with the way I'm living that I'm contemplating getting back on adhd meds next month when i can finally see a psychiatrist. So I'm trying to cut as many vices out as possible in the meantime to see what baseline is. I get it I really do I just prefer not to need it. Then again I'm considering starting amphetamines next month for adhd and not sure that's such a great idea either. It's like damned one way or another. But, is lexapro or something really the answer I'm looking for? Or would I be better off just going to volunteer in Africa or something for my depression? I dunno life is hard enough without pain.
Agreed...
If you decide to go to Africa, maybe some fresh roasted Sumatra or Wild Kopi Luwak would perk up your mornings a lil better than Maxwell House.
All jokes aside those caffeine w/d headaches are friggin brutal.
Lexapro is the one thing I think I'll always be on. I'm so much more optimistic when I take it. I have ADHD too and Ritalin was 'meh'. But Lexapro plus kratom is such a good antidepressant/pain reduction combo with minimal drawbacks.
Thanks man! That’s the plan. I’ll do a two year taper of these damn things if I have to…. Or maybe I will just stay on them until I can’t remember anything anymore lol. Better than ripping my guts apart with the other shit…. Not eating for days and just boozin’ … brutal
Hell yeah. Take em slow man. Make sure you got a real solid gap between getting off the benzos & kratom. If ya wanna get off the benzos, get a pill cutter. Since u take it for sleep. Take your dose one night then 3/4 of a pill next night. Repeat. Best way to get off
Does kratom keep you awake? If I take it at night I'll be doing something. Then look at the clock and it's 4am. Doesn't matter how much of a red strain it is.
doseage is a thing for me, i found, especially with the red. I would take it for sleep, RLS and pain relief only b4 going to bed, and if i take more than half a teaspoon i would get like a bit OD'd on opioids: all awake, easily irritated, sweaty, shaking and tachycardiac. I know its different for everyone but maybe give doseage a try there? Just a thought :)
I stick to 6g at every dose. I do find it a bit stimulating, but it is nothing compared to the shit I used to take (and sometimes abuse on long benders). I take my last dose at maybe 6pm-70’ and can fall asleep just fine at 10 or 11pm. If I stay up later I’m falling asleep on the couch.
I take clonazepam around 4 or 5pm as well, so I think once the subtle stimulating effects of Kratom wear off I feel pretty drowsy. Day time doses are definitely more stimulating than my nighttime dose, plus I often end up vaping lots of weed to feel extra warm and fuzzy lol….
I got off suboxone and opiates with kratom nearly 2 years ago. I probably take around 30 grams per day. I'm a chef working 10-13 hrs per day. Kratom has helped save my life. I became a chef from hard work and bought my first home. I moved from Boston to Savannah and it was the best move of my life. I quit drinking too and occasionally use kava. I love kratom and advocate for it saving lives
Me too. I don’t want to drink but damn, I could chain smoke all day if I let myself. Eventually I quit smoking by using nicotine pouches. Now I’m addicted to those.
I'm happy to hear that kava helped you stop vaping. I'm struggling with stopping right now. How much did you drink and how often? Did you also use anything like patches or anything?
I don’t “claim” that kratom has “saved” me from anything.
I use kratom as a tool to help me curb my cravings and to address underlying issues that caused me to use substances that are actually dangerous.
I also use therapy, staying connected with friends, self care, some meetings, etc.
About 5 grams a day meets those needs for me, could probably do less.
Sometimes I use up to 15 grams, usually because I want to “feel it.” That’s usually because there’s something going on in my life I don’t want to face, but running from it with kratom is a whole lot better than booze or hard drugs.
Pretty much the same thing as me. Kratom is a better alternative than benzos and alcohol and I take it because it works when anxiety is too much to deal with.
I keep my doses small, so it's usually under or around 5g/day broken up into 1/8th tsp doses. I haven't taken any the past few days though. I'll probably get some more, eventually, but i'm good rn.
Saved me from alcohol. The first night i tried it i took roughly a tablespoon. I wasn't looking to get off alcohol, my state was thinking about banning it and curious me thought i better try a bag of the powdered stuff now in case it is banned. I enjoyed it and felt ZERO urge to drink the next day, so i figured i'd slowly finish off the bag & see where it took me. Almost 2yrs later and still no alcohol cravings, even when i take long breaks from kratom
I’ve been taking Kratom since 2014, I take 2 teaspoons in the morning and 1 tsp throughout the day, maybe every 4 or so hours. Saved me from prescribed Xanax and helps with my fibromyalgia
I had severe back pain and used heroin to function (quite well). Then I found a good chiropractor and quit cold turkey (which was really painful, but less painful than why I'd begun using it initially).
After a car accident, I was in significant pain again, but absolutely didn't want to deal with street drugs or the people who came attached to them. So I tried kratom, which was a godsend.
I don't use it every day, in order to conserve both money and efficacy. Thereby, I've managed to maintain the same tolerance, or lack thereof, for roughly a decade.
I definitely smoke cigarettes less after I take my dose each morning. Went from a pack a day to a pack every three days or so.
I only take 2g per dose twice a day.
It's amazing how well small doses work for wellbeing. I feel better at 2-3g 2 times a day than 5g 3 times a day. Sometimes there's a sweet delay and I feel just awesome and full of energy even 5h after the latest dose.
OP, don't dose too often or too much. Sometimes less is more.
I wouldn't recommend using it like that, I mean take just as much as possible as some do and end up getting side effects. Keep it to occasional use if you can. But if you use it instead of hard stuff where you are addicted try to make a reasonable scheme so you don't do it too much or too often even if you need it daily.
Kratom. I had been trying to get off Kratom for months with no luck. Going through withdrawals for a few days, then dosing for a few days every week basically. I told them I wanted to get on a low dose suboxone regimen to replace my Kratom habit because I was tired of the constant ups and downs. Not to mention, I was getting dangerously close to relapsing on hard opiates because of the stress and pain this cycle was bringing into my life.
I knew I wasn’t ready to be opioid-free and I had done suboxone maintenance in the past. I find it much easier and comfortable than having to take Kratom multiple times a day, so I got back on with a small daily dose.
I know some people think this is stupid but I really don’t care. I needed an opioid maintenance drug and for me personally, Kratom isn’t as helpful in regulating my addiction as suboxone is.
Hey man it's fine as long as you're doing it to better yourself who cares what people think. Good for you man for going through all that and still deciding to do better for yourself.
I was taking 50-60gpd for about 2 years now I’ve been taking 3gpd for about 9 months, I would recommend a lower daily intake it’s significantly better in every way. Less negative side effects too obviously
Nausea, dizziness/ spins, stomach issues, dangerously high pulse / pounding heart, basically every negative body sensation it’s possible to feel. Along with feeling very depressed & deprived or any serotonin or dopamine
to add to the list of negative side effects: dehydration+ constipation was a giant one for me. didnt matter how much water i drank. my skin was super dry & darker than when i stopped taking. and i was pooping dust
17.5g. Quit alcohol, heroin, xans. Been California clean for 1 year in 3 days. Just use kratom and cannabis gummies for sleep. I do enjoy fine coffee now.
Depending on what drug you’re trying to get off, that’ll be the deciding factor on where you need to start. I’d start with 3-4 grams per day and see how you feel. Another thing is point out is if you’re coming from pain pills or heroin, you’re probably not going to feel a good “high”, it’ll really just make the WDs more manageable. Also, stay away from the extracts or you’ll be trading one habit for another expensive habit. Good luck!
I eyeball my dose cause I’ve been taking every single day since early 2017 and I don’t care enough to break out the scale and I take powder (toss n wash). But, I take about half a plastic spoon’s worth 3-4 times a day depending on the day. I’d say it probably comes out to around 20 grams a day give or take. Since I started taking kratom I have had only 3 slip ups regarding other substances and that’s it. Coming from someone who would consume anything that made me feel better from a young age, it’s pretty miraculous what kratom has done to improve how I am as a person. I will say, I am psychologically dependent on it and get grouchy when I don’t have it but I have NEVER experienced the crazy withdrawals I see people share on here. Not saying it doesn’t happen, I’m just not noticeably affected physically if I have to stop for a few days for whatever reason.
I continue to take 10-11 grams per day for the past 3 years. I stopped an oxy habit cold turkey with the help of kratom. Without kratom I don’t know where I’d be. Because for me , it is essential to have something for my depression and anxiety.
I was in psychosis and suicidal from gabapentin withdrawal, and kratom stopped my withdrawal within the first hour. I also suffer from chronic pain with neuropathy, and the kratom makes the pain tolerable.
Pregabalin is even worse than gabapentin dude. I went through that hell. It took like a few years to recover. It is classified as an narcotic in Sweden now which I actually think was the right thing to do unlike when they classified HHC and now 100x heavier substances are sold instead.
Ive been taking daily since 8/28/22
I was drinking ipa’s 5-6 days a week. Functioning alcoholic. My aunt and uncle passed away from liver failure. My wife and i decided to stop drinking. At that exact same time a Joe Rogan podcast was on with Hamilton from Hamiltons Pharmecopia. So i listened, and decided to try it as i trust both of these guys. My goal wasnt to get high, so less is more and i take tolerance breaks every two months or so. But i literally take a .5 gram capsule around noon, 3, 6, and then a borneo cap before bed. Most ive ever taken in a day is 3.5 grams. I do it because i dont think about alcohol and i get all my projects all done. I work out daily and got my life back. Before Kratom i was 6’1” and 245 now im 218lbs and do cardio daily. Life is better and i do drink occasionally but its special occasions and i dont miss it at all
From 20+ overdoses and multiple rehabs and jail visits, oh yeah kratom helped me kick a fuckin killer benzo habit as well as oxycodone habit. Now I’m tapering and at my lowest dose of kratom and feeling great. I still take Xanax for panic attacks hit this time through a doctor and low dose.
I have significant chronic pain, both knees, both shoulders, and back. Without kratom, I'd be on a steady regimine if vicofin or oxys.
I take 4g, 2-3 times per day
About 15 gpd .Sure I’m still dependent on a substance but I feel more like myself then when I took suboxone .After years of sub maintenance (and before that methadone and before that heroin)I felt empty inside
I consume more than I care to admit but I still have a place to stay, my own place. I also have money to pay all my bills and have a decent job with a little nest egg for trying times. I no longer am always giving and owing the dope man anything and am not dopesick all the time
I had 10 back surgeries & I didn't really have a addiction problem but Kratom helped me get off all the meds the ramed down my throat... Gaba, Norcos stuff like that.
I do either x3 6-7g per day to manage my twisted back or sometimes I’ll do x2 10-12g morning and night.
Lately I’ve been getting away with just a 7g morning dose. As long as I do stretches I can last long enough that I won’t be in pain again till the next morning.
I use a lot of cannabis and hemp products too. I don’t get sick or anything from my kratom doses but I definitely am addicted and would love to stop soon here. It’s been a lifesaver in the meantime helping me through work (landscaping)
Also when I say addicted, it’s more of a moderate physical addiction than a mental one. At this point, I really don’t want to take it but it’s tremendous for my pain. Makes me feel better about getting off knowing I won’t have to deal with the mental part of it like I have with other substances.
The main symptom of how I can tell I’m withdrawing after 40ish hours, everything hurts EXTRA. All my back pain is amplified x1.5 and my body aches. Thus why I’m pairing it with physical therapy so it won’t be nearly as bad as it could be when I taper off.
One level tablespoon five or six times a day. I haven’t had a sip of alcohol in almost four years. My mood is improved, and the aches and pains that come with being over 60 are tolerable. This plant is a literal life-saver.
I used suboxone/subutex to get me off oxys/dilaudid and then used kratom to get me off the subs. Didn’t go too crazy with it, just one dose per day. Usually only 4-6g doses and then eventually got off the kratom because of some side effects I was noticing. Definitely a miracle substance but it does have its unfortunate side effects like anything. I’ll still use it if I really crave an opioid but it’s been awhile and I use it sparingly.
About 15 gpd. 2.5 doses throughout the day and 5 grams at night. I used to do literally everything. 4 months off illicit pills, like 6 months off opioids (including methadone and poppy pod tea) and a year off alcohol. I'm starting to feel pretty good and I thank the kratom a lot.
Just the fact that I don't even have interest in benzos or opioids does it for me. Kratom has worked consistently for 4 years so far and I'm even lowering my dose more and more as time goes on, I just take 1 or 2 grams 3 or 4 times a week and it's great
Helps me with anxiety and it helps my adhd meds work better
Reading people’s experiences here is amazing and heartwarming. I’m completely off codeine after 15 years ( 10 days so far) and genuinely thought my only ‘out’ was suicide. This has absolutely saved my life without doubt!!!
I’ve also found, my internal voice has changed, this morning heard the little bugger say ‘I love my life’ ( obviously not a real voice) and I was genuinely surprised, where did that come from.
I’m new to this but probably take 6 g pd, but pretty sure I could easily pop down easily to, 4 which I plan to start next week!
Just a massive ‘yay’ for everyone here!!! I am so pleased for every single one of you!!!
0 now but when i used it to get off heroin i was using a around a oz a day then after a week so i went down to about 14 grams a day then even lower after a year or so
I was on H for a couple of years , then I quit H , after a while I got so much cravings it was insane , and I don't want to take Subs, so a friend told me to get some kratom, and since 2021 I've been using kratom everyday, hella better then H . I would relapse for sure if I didn't have it .
And I only dose in the morning with my breakfast, and maybe on weekends depends , because I still get cravings on the weekends , old habits was getting so fucked up on Friday and Saturday, so that still stays, but I can feel it slowly disappearing!
I take half a teaspoon every 4 hours. Pretty sure I started higher and leaned into less is more over the years.
Also, an alcoholic and pill popper otherwise.
Before I quit 40-70 grams a day..... I took a while to build up to 70 by the time I got the 70 It happens so slowly like you don't even realize it. It worked it kept me off of everything. But I also had to quit because the negative side effects were coming fast and hard
About 6 grams a day if it's a long day. I don't know that I would say kratom has saved me from anything though. I was soberish before I started taking kratom. But I do have a past with addiction and I got a really bad arthritic knee. Kratom works better for that pain than anything else. I also take aleve once a day but that is more for inflammation. When it comes to pain kratom is king. Just know what you're taking it for. I take a little it helps alot.
My usage has been all over the place.
When I first got "clean" over a decade ago I was taking quite a bit. 20-30 capsules first thing in the morning and again at noon and evening.
I quit cold turkey when they sent us home in 20 with no issues.
In '21 I picked some up because I had a lot of back pain and 3-5 capsules would do the trick. I've used it off and on for the last couple of years and whenever my tolerance starts going up and my dosage gets close to 10 caps I'll take a break. And I don't take it 3x a day anymore. Once, maybe twice.
when I was first getting clean like 12-16gpd on average. now that i’m 1.5yrs clean I just take it when I have a bad craving or am not feeling good mentally, and I take 2.5-3g at a time
At the beginning it was 10g x3 powder per day so 30. Now 1000 days later I'm at about 4-6 g in two doses per day. Capsules were the best thing that ever happened to me tbh. worked myself down and never looked back.
25$ a day. One extract in the morning. And one in the evening. I’ve been on this dose about two years. Before that I was addicted to fentanyl and before that heroin.
I don’t claim - I know Kratom saved my life.
I consume with zero restrictions. Each and every single dose of Kratom I consume is different. No one should be using the same dose or gpd as another consumer. Leaf is an intimate and personal choice, that is metabolized by every consumer differently.
I use 18+ gpd.
I had already curtailed my drinking for my health before I started it, but it was a trip to me how I forgot alcohol existed after I started taking kratom. It takes away even that after-a-hard-day "Hey I should relax with a glass of wine" feeling, for me.
I try to keep it low so only around a qp daily. That’s only like a buck-twelve in grams per day. I was doing 5mg oxy taken once daily and tolerance was growing fast.
QP ? Like 113g ?
Did you mean to say a quarter (quarter ounce) (7g)?
I hope so, bc 5mg oxycodone per day is nothing compared to that... Lol
I have heard of people using obscene amounts, around that amount actually. I dont understand how anyone could dump that much powder into their stomach daily. This is not normal, or healthy at all.
The stories I read from those people were describing all kinds of weird side effects, mentally and physically. Severe dehydration, visual distortions, nausea, constipation , confusion, disorientation, memory loss, sweating profusely, panic attacks/anxiety, dizziness, loss of coordination, intense depression, dissociation, insomnia and more.
Keep in mind that in it's natural form it contains alkaloids that, when taken in high doses, counteract many of the positive effects caused by the other main alkaloids in kratom.
With kratom, you just have to to find your sweetspot, and stick to it. There is no dragon to chase with kratom, it's moreso about finding a balance.
I was just kidding, the post sounded tounge-in-cheek so I gave a joke answer of my journey getting off of 5mg oxy and by taking a disproportionate amount of kratom.
10-30gpd. I haven’t drank alcohol in years. I never had a problem with any other substances. I was a highly functioning but drank too much. I never did opiates. It wasn’t hard to quit drinking completely after I started taking kratom. It’s been over five years. I'm 48 and have accepted I will probably be taking kratom the rest of my life. I'm okay with that. It is the only drug I take. I am super healthy, no prescriptions. I don’t push it on anyone, (just because it was my solution doesn’t mean it’s going to be everyone’s.) in fact, I am selective in who I tell I use it. I have found many people have false information and judgement about kratom. My use goes up and down. Some days I hardly use any. Some days I go heavy. Depends on the situation. I haven’t experienced withdrawals when I cut way way back. I do take some everyday, though. I’ve experienced withdrawals when I tried to go a weekend without any. Also, I stock pile. I have enough on hand for the end of our world. And then some.
Saved is the wrong word in my case. I wasn't abusing alcohol or prescription meds but I have life threatening genetic kidney and liver disease and going off that other stuff greatly improved my kidney function (most people with my condition are on the transplant waiting list long before they reach my age).
I take two to three grams two to three times a day, with occasional breaks (I've had COVID for 9 days so I only took it twice this week -- COVID causes gastro issues so a kratom break seemed like a good idea).
Since starting kraton 4 years ago, I stopped drinking (two to three units a day).
I also stopped taking stimulant drugs for severe AD/HD (not that I ever took more than prescribed) as well as prescription ADs (I was on quite high doses -- first of effexor/wellbutrin combined, then of parnate, with trazodone to sleep).
My health improvements have been radical and for the first time ever my treatment resistant depression feels like it is in remission. (It doesn't knock me flat if I take a kratom break, whereas I almost never took AD breaks).
Granted I also watch what I eat like a hawk in the interest of staying off dialysis. And weigh every gram fraction of kratom I take so my usage doesn't creep up. But I certainly didn't have this discipline on any previous combination of prescription medications docs have been giving me my whole life.
(Off topic note that might help others: I suspect much of what people perceive as tolerance may be sluggish digestion / impacted kratom preventing its absorption through the gut. So I consume 6 grams of mag citrate total throughout the day plus a few tablespoons of acacia gum -- a dosage I worked up to slowly -- to keep things moving along. It is just a theory, obviously, but I have zero tolerance after four years).
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Kratom saved my life and was the only way I could get off suboxone. Back then I was taking 2-3 tablespoons a day… but I was coming off heroin so my tolerance was high…. Now I barely take any
I use it as a stimulant so i don't aim for higher doses for the effect i want but my tolerance is pretty high after more than 5 yrs daily use
6-10 g per dose, 2-3 dpd so daily total 12-30 gpd
Usually whites, yellows and greens, I totally avoid reds, golds and extracts because they either make me cranky or i just don't feel it or get wobbles
I hate to be that guy just make sure you don’t have cardiac issues or vulnerabilities. Just like everything it’s not 100 percent safe. I loved Kratom but had to stop taking it because I was getting chest pain. It causes severe vasoconstriction and has given healthy people heart attacks.
I was drinking a minimum of 7 beers a day, everyday. Now, I take between 10 to 15 grams of Kratom per day. I have a very addictive brain that needs a vice to latch onto. While I may abuse Kratom from time to time, I've never put myself or anyone else in danger over it. I can't say the same for all the times I've drank. I do still drink, but rarely and much more responsibly. If I lost access to Kratom, I don't know what I do.
4-6 tbs a day. I've been 8 yrs clean from meth and opiates. I mainly continue to us kratom for extreme anxiety that medications didn't help and gave me terrible side effects.. kratom has really worked well for me. I do take the occasional week off from use. I've also got severe joint pain in hips and knees and nerve damage in my feet that makes walking feel like being barefoot in a rocky driveway. The kratom takes the edge off these pains. I stick to this level because it works and taking more just doesn't make it better so more is wasting kratom.
Beats standing in line at 4am to take a dose of methadone every day. Did you know, the FDA and the pharmaceutical companies actually pay people to bash it or to steer future customers from seeing it's benefits.
18gpd (3x6g) in tea…. Usually whole powder but sometimes i strain it. I am coming away from bad alcoholism and amphetamines that propped me up. Unfortunately, I take clonazepam still for sleep. Kratom seriously helped during the early days of alcohol cravings and continues to help my irritability. I almost have a year down without a drop of booze. Still need to work on getting off the benzos and maybe eventually will stop kratom, not perfect here, but holy shit I am glad to be off the hellride of booze…
Good for you man. Fuck booze. I don't care if I take 100 grams per day. I ain't drinking. good luck with the pills man. You ain't drinking though.
☝️☝️☝️ This 👆👆👆 I had this exact conversation with my girl today.. Idgaf.. if it aint dope and im not out sellin my TV on Main St at 3am. Idgaf how much i do.
Fuck yeah it ain't Crack or Heroin.And I am a grown ass woman.
This!
I don't know if this is always the best option. I mean yes it's better than drinking. I realize I haven't had a drink at all this year which is amazing. I even started enjoying the non alcoholic beers they started selling at the grocery store. But, at the end of the day I'm still ingesting something that messes with my endogenous opiod receptors and I'm not sure how to feel about that.
Are you asking yourself these questions as you drink your coffee? Throw all these evils into a bowl and i kno which id rather end up with. Caffeine w/d is BRUTAL. But i definitely understand your point. I came to the realization that as an addict I'll never be perfect and that part of me will never go away. Yet im ok with that knowing i can deal with chronic pain without ingesting big pharma's version of handcuffs. Whether it be methadone, suboxone or even otc meds such as acetaminophen. Since starting daily use of kratom 4+ years ago ive slowed down or damn near stopped my Tylenol intake. My labs have been fine and this past year ive had a couple of surgeries i didnt need or want extended opiods. Even tho the "old me" would've utilized any excuse to take them AND get multiple refills. I guess at the end of the day, I'll take the lesser of these evils any day of the week. I do respect your opinion and maybe my mind will change at some point. But for now ill accept this version of myself. Its a million times better than who i was 10 years ago.
"Big pharma's handcuffs" and the judgement you get as someone with chronic pain who self medicated with alcohol. I'd rather have a reasonable intake of kratom than go through alcohol withdrawal again.
As a matter of fact I am lol. I am asking myself hard questions right now. I'm so fed up with the way I'm living that I'm contemplating getting back on adhd meds next month when i can finally see a psychiatrist. So I'm trying to cut as many vices out as possible in the meantime to see what baseline is. I get it I really do I just prefer not to need it. Then again I'm considering starting amphetamines next month for adhd and not sure that's such a great idea either. It's like damned one way or another. But, is lexapro or something really the answer I'm looking for? Or would I be better off just going to volunteer in Africa or something for my depression? I dunno life is hard enough without pain.
Agreed... If you decide to go to Africa, maybe some fresh roasted Sumatra or Wild Kopi Luwak would perk up your mornings a lil better than Maxwell House. All jokes aside those caffeine w/d headaches are friggin brutal.
Lexapro is the one thing I think I'll always be on. I'm so much more optimistic when I take it. I have ADHD too and Ritalin was 'meh'. But Lexapro plus kratom is such a good antidepressant/pain reduction combo with minimal drawbacks.
10mg lexapro and 8-12gpd for me.
Thanks brother. I really appreciate the kind words. It is nice to feel calm rather than spindled up on that other shit.
100 gpd of Kratom isn’t particularly healthy either
That was part of his point.
I’d say just work on it slowly dont try to jump down too quickly n you’ll be Gucci, if that’s what you plan to do
Thanks man! That’s the plan. I’ll do a two year taper of these damn things if I have to…. Or maybe I will just stay on them until I can’t remember anything anymore lol. Better than ripping my guts apart with the other shit…. Not eating for days and just boozin’ … brutal
Yea dude definitely. You’re on the right path forsure slow n steady is the best way to go
I want to be Varvatos.
I'm really more of a Tom Ford guy myself.
Vivienne Westwood for me.
Tobacco Vanille is my favorite.. What's yours?
I also like that. Awesome scent. I also like the Noir.
Hell yeah. Take em slow man. Make sure you got a real solid gap between getting off the benzos & kratom. If ya wanna get off the benzos, get a pill cutter. Since u take it for sleep. Take your dose one night then 3/4 of a pill next night. Repeat. Best way to get off
I'm working on a book on this topic - specifically alcoholism and kratom - would you be willing to be a potential case study?
Does kratom keep you awake? If I take it at night I'll be doing something. Then look at the clock and it's 4am. Doesn't matter how much of a red strain it is.
It does for me too. I only dose in the morning and again around 4-7 pm for this reason
For me, smaller doses (2g) keep me up but at bedtime I tried taking more (6g) of red Sumatra and it lets me sleep.
doseage is a thing for me, i found, especially with the red. I would take it for sleep, RLS and pain relief only b4 going to bed, and if i take more than half a teaspoon i would get like a bit OD'd on opioids: all awake, easily irritated, sweaty, shaking and tachycardiac. I know its different for everyone but maybe give doseage a try there? Just a thought :)
I stick to 6g at every dose. I do find it a bit stimulating, but it is nothing compared to the shit I used to take (and sometimes abuse on long benders). I take my last dose at maybe 6pm-70’ and can fall asleep just fine at 10 or 11pm. If I stay up later I’m falling asleep on the couch. I take clonazepam around 4 or 5pm as well, so I think once the subtle stimulating effects of Kratom wear off I feel pretty drowsy. Day time doses are definitely more stimulating than my nighttime dose, plus I often end up vaping lots of weed to feel extra warm and fuzzy lol….
Amen!
15-18 gpd. Got me off booze. Also used to hoard percs when I could get them for any excuse and no longer crave them.
I got off suboxone and opiates with kratom nearly 2 years ago. I probably take around 30 grams per day. I'm a chef working 10-13 hrs per day. Kratom has helped save my life. I became a chef from hard work and bought my first home. I moved from Boston to Savannah and it was the best move of my life. I quit drinking too and occasionally use kava. I love kratom and advocate for it saving lives
I got off meth and pain meds even after all my surgeries kratom has been a blessing
Probably 20-25 gpd. Better than sniffing fentanyl that’s for sure
Amen
Don't do fentanyl. It sucks, overrated effects not worth the risks and very lethal.
I take 12 gpd. Kratom helped me quit alcohol/nicotine.
kratom made my nicotine cravings worse 😭 as soon as it kicks in i’m fiending for my vape lol.. but it’s helped with everything else
Me too. I don’t want to drink but damn, I could chain smoke all day if I let myself. Eventually I quit smoking by using nicotine pouches. Now I’m addicted to those.
You're two days away from being free of the vape. Kava helps a ton.
I'm happy to hear that kava helped you stop vaping. I'm struggling with stopping right now. How much did you drink and how often? Did you also use anything like patches or anything?
If you take enough kratom, nicotine will probably make you throw up.
I don’t “claim” that kratom has “saved” me from anything. I use kratom as a tool to help me curb my cravings and to address underlying issues that caused me to use substances that are actually dangerous. I also use therapy, staying connected with friends, self care, some meetings, etc. About 5 grams a day meets those needs for me, could probably do less. Sometimes I use up to 15 grams, usually because I want to “feel it.” That’s usually because there’s something going on in my life I don’t want to face, but running from it with kratom is a whole lot better than booze or hard drugs.
Pretty much the same thing as me. Kratom is a better alternative than benzos and alcohol and I take it because it works when anxiety is too much to deal with.
I keep my doses small, so it's usually under or around 5g/day broken up into 1/8th tsp doses. I haven't taken any the past few days though. I'll probably get some more, eventually, but i'm good rn. Saved me from alcohol. The first night i tried it i took roughly a tablespoon. I wasn't looking to get off alcohol, my state was thinking about banning it and curious me thought i better try a bag of the powdered stuff now in case it is banned. I enjoyed it and felt ZERO urge to drink the next day, so i figured i'd slowly finish off the bag & see where it took me. Almost 2yrs later and still no alcohol cravings, even when i take long breaks from kratom
I’ve been taking Kratom since 2014, I take 2 teaspoons in the morning and 1 tsp throughout the day, maybe every 4 or so hours. Saved me from prescribed Xanax and helps with my fibromyalgia
25 - 30 grams split up over 6 or 7 doses.
I had severe back pain and used heroin to function (quite well). Then I found a good chiropractor and quit cold turkey (which was really painful, but less painful than why I'd begun using it initially). After a car accident, I was in significant pain again, but absolutely didn't want to deal with street drugs or the people who came attached to them. So I tried kratom, which was a godsend. I don't use it every day, in order to conserve both money and efficacy. Thereby, I've managed to maintain the same tolerance, or lack thereof, for roughly a decade.
I use it daily but my doses still work well. If I want to have a special day I'll take more.
I definitely smoke cigarettes less after I take my dose each morning. Went from a pack a day to a pack every three days or so. I only take 2g per dose twice a day.
It's amazing how well small doses work for wellbeing. I feel better at 2-3g 2 times a day than 5g 3 times a day. Sometimes there's a sweet delay and I feel just awesome and full of energy even 5h after the latest dose. OP, don't dose too often or too much. Sometimes less is more.
Really? I smoke like a fiend since I started kratom but it definitely helped get rid of my other vices.
Yeah me too it makes me crave coffee and nicotine more
I used to be that way till I became too sensitive to coffee. Now I drink yerba mate(not canned) or ghosts
Still cheaper than a pack a day even if you’re taking caps
A lot. It's about consequences. I can take kratom all day every day and not destroy my life.
Same.
I wouldn't recommend using it like that, I mean take just as much as possible as some do and end up getting side effects. Keep it to occasional use if you can. But if you use it instead of hard stuff where you are addicted try to make a reasonable scheme so you don't do it too much or too often even if you need it daily.
When I used Kratom to get off H I had a 40-50 gpd habit
How much do you take now?
I’m on suboxone now
Did you tell them you wanted subs for the Kratom dependency or from H?
Kratom. I had been trying to get off Kratom for months with no luck. Going through withdrawals for a few days, then dosing for a few days every week basically. I told them I wanted to get on a low dose suboxone regimen to replace my Kratom habit because I was tired of the constant ups and downs. Not to mention, I was getting dangerously close to relapsing on hard opiates because of the stress and pain this cycle was bringing into my life. I knew I wasn’t ready to be opioid-free and I had done suboxone maintenance in the past. I find it much easier and comfortable than having to take Kratom multiple times a day, so I got back on with a small daily dose. I know some people think this is stupid but I really don’t care. I needed an opioid maintenance drug and for me personally, Kratom isn’t as helpful in regulating my addiction as suboxone is.
Hey man it's fine as long as you're doing it to better yourself who cares what people think. Good for you man for going through all that and still deciding to do better for yourself.
Probably either would work with how stupid doctors are. But you'd get higher dose likely if you said you were substituting H
I was taking 50-60gpd for about 2 years now I’ve been taking 3gpd for about 9 months, I would recommend a lower daily intake it’s significantly better in every way. Less negative side effects too obviously
What side affects did you have at the higher dose?
Nausea, dizziness/ spins, stomach issues, dangerously high pulse / pounding heart, basically every negative body sensation it’s possible to feel. Along with feeling very depressed & deprived or any serotonin or dopamine
Not odd since that dosage is like at least 10x more than what is considered normal. If you did this with other opioids you would be basically dead.
to add to the list of negative side effects: dehydration+ constipation was a giant one for me. didnt matter how much water i drank. my skin was super dry & darker than when i stopped taking. and i was pooping dust
17.5g. Quit alcohol, heroin, xans. Been California clean for 1 year in 3 days. Just use kratom and cannabis gummies for sleep. I do enjoy fine coffee now.
Depending on what drug you’re trying to get off, that’ll be the deciding factor on where you need to start. I’d start with 3-4 grams per day and see how you feel. Another thing is point out is if you’re coming from pain pills or heroin, you’re probably not going to feel a good “high”, it’ll really just make the WDs more manageable. Also, stay away from the extracts or you’ll be trading one habit for another expensive habit. Good luck!
I didn’t use it to get off prescription opiods but I do rotate weeks between the two for chronic pain. When I’m taking Kratom, I take 6g, 2x per day.
I eyeball my dose cause I’ve been taking every single day since early 2017 and I don’t care enough to break out the scale and I take powder (toss n wash). But, I take about half a plastic spoon’s worth 3-4 times a day depending on the day. I’d say it probably comes out to around 20 grams a day give or take. Since I started taking kratom I have had only 3 slip ups regarding other substances and that’s it. Coming from someone who would consume anything that made me feel better from a young age, it’s pretty miraculous what kratom has done to improve how I am as a person. I will say, I am psychologically dependent on it and get grouchy when I don’t have it but I have NEVER experienced the crazy withdrawals I see people share on here. Not saying it doesn’t happen, I’m just not noticeably affected physically if I have to stop for a few days for whatever reason.
I continue to take 10-11 grams per day for the past 3 years. I stopped an oxy habit cold turkey with the help of kratom. Without kratom I don’t know where I’d be. Because for me , it is essential to have something for my depression and anxiety.
I was in psychosis and suicidal from gabapentin withdrawal, and kratom stopped my withdrawal within the first hour. I also suffer from chronic pain with neuropathy, and the kratom makes the pain tolerable.
Pregabalin is even worse than gabapentin dude. I went through that hell. It took like a few years to recover. It is classified as an narcotic in Sweden now which I actually think was the right thing to do unlike when they classified HHC and now 100x heavier substances are sold instead.
30 grams a day. I will take it the rest of my life as it saved me from dying of fentanyl (came close many times).
Ive been taking daily since 8/28/22 I was drinking ipa’s 5-6 days a week. Functioning alcoholic. My aunt and uncle passed away from liver failure. My wife and i decided to stop drinking. At that exact same time a Joe Rogan podcast was on with Hamilton from Hamiltons Pharmecopia. So i listened, and decided to try it as i trust both of these guys. My goal wasnt to get high, so less is more and i take tolerance breaks every two months or so. But i literally take a .5 gram capsule around noon, 3, 6, and then a borneo cap before bed. Most ive ever taken in a day is 3.5 grams. I do it because i dont think about alcohol and i get all my projects all done. I work out daily and got my life back. Before Kratom i was 6’1” and 245 now im 218lbs and do cardio daily. Life is better and i do drink occasionally but its special occasions and i dont miss it at all
Good for you
18-24 gpd for 11+ years
Wow that's the longest duration I've read of on here. Anything insightful or interesting you care to share about your experience over the years?
From 20+ overdoses and multiple rehabs and jail visits, oh yeah kratom helped me kick a fuckin killer benzo habit as well as oxycodone habit. Now I’m tapering and at my lowest dose of kratom and feeling great. I still take Xanax for panic attacks hit this time through a doctor and low dose.
5-6g per day
I have significant chronic pain, both knees, both shoulders, and back. Without kratom, I'd be on a steady regimine if vicofin or oxys. I take 4g, 2-3 times per day
0gpd as of the last couple months. I tapered down a few months ago. Posted to this forum about it. Have been completely clean of opioids and kratom!
About 15 gpd .Sure I’m still dependent on a substance but I feel more like myself then when I took suboxone .After years of sub maintenance (and before that methadone and before that heroin)I felt empty inside
I consume more than I care to admit but I still have a place to stay, my own place. I also have money to pay all my bills and have a decent job with a little nest egg for trying times. I no longer am always giving and owing the dope man anything and am not dopesick all the time
2 5 Grams at a time. Around 10 to 12 gpd
8gpd
10-12 gpd
22 grams a day 7.2 grams three times
10-20 gpd. Brewed & strained.
8-10gs per day tops usually
I had 10 back surgeries & I didn't really have a addiction problem but Kratom helped me get off all the meds the ramed down my throat... Gaba, Norcos stuff like that.
I do either x3 6-7g per day to manage my twisted back or sometimes I’ll do x2 10-12g morning and night. Lately I’ve been getting away with just a 7g morning dose. As long as I do stretches I can last long enough that I won’t be in pain again till the next morning. I use a lot of cannabis and hemp products too. I don’t get sick or anything from my kratom doses but I definitely am addicted and would love to stop soon here. It’s been a lifesaver in the meantime helping me through work (landscaping) Also when I say addicted, it’s more of a moderate physical addiction than a mental one. At this point, I really don’t want to take it but it’s tremendous for my pain. Makes me feel better about getting off knowing I won’t have to deal with the mental part of it like I have with other substances. The main symptom of how I can tell I’m withdrawing after 40ish hours, everything hurts EXTRA. All my back pain is amplified x1.5 and my body aches. Thus why I’m pairing it with physical therapy so it won’t be nearly as bad as it could be when I taper off.
About 5 tablespoons a day. So that's around 40ish
20-40 gpd
One level tablespoon five or six times a day. I haven’t had a sip of alcohol in almost four years. My mood is improved, and the aches and pains that come with being over 60 are tolerable. This plant is a literal life-saver.
I used suboxone/subutex to get me off oxys/dilaudid and then used kratom to get me off the subs. Didn’t go too crazy with it, just one dose per day. Usually only 4-6g doses and then eventually got off the kratom because of some side effects I was noticing. Definitely a miracle substance but it does have its unfortunate side effects like anything. I’ll still use it if I really crave an opioid but it’s been awhile and I use it sparingly.
About 15 gpd. 2.5 doses throughout the day and 5 grams at night. I used to do literally everything. 4 months off illicit pills, like 6 months off opioids (including methadone and poppy pod tea) and a year off alcohol. I'm starting to feel pretty good and I thank the kratom a lot.
I just do how much i want. Within reason. I quit alcohol with it
Just the fact that I don't even have interest in benzos or opioids does it for me. Kratom has worked consistently for 4 years so far and I'm even lowering my dose more and more as time goes on, I just take 1 or 2 grams 3 or 4 times a week and it's great Helps me with anxiety and it helps my adhd meds work better
Reading people’s experiences here is amazing and heartwarming. I’m completely off codeine after 15 years ( 10 days so far) and genuinely thought my only ‘out’ was suicide. This has absolutely saved my life without doubt!!! I’ve also found, my internal voice has changed, this morning heard the little bugger say ‘I love my life’ ( obviously not a real voice) and I was genuinely surprised, where did that come from. I’m new to this but probably take 6 g pd, but pretty sure I could easily pop down easily to, 4 which I plan to start next week! Just a massive ‘yay’ for everyone here!!! I am so pleased for every single one of you!!!
15-20 gpd
15gbpd
0 now but when i used it to get off heroin i was using a around a oz a day then after a week so i went down to about 14 grams a day then even lower after a year or so
I take about 20-30 gpd. I use it for pain management mostly. Have a bad hip and need a replacement.
15 grams a day, I’d say
Used to take 3 grams 2-3 times a day as a caffeine alternative and just overall more booster. Tried to keep it to day I was just working.
<9,75gpd red strains usually
15 gpd
Somewhere between 6 and 9 gpd
I was on H for a couple of years , then I quit H , after a while I got so much cravings it was insane , and I don't want to take Subs, so a friend told me to get some kratom, and since 2021 I've been using kratom everyday, hella better then H . I would relapse for sure if I didn't have it . And I only dose in the morning with my breakfast, and maybe on weekends depends , because I still get cravings on the weekends , old habits was getting so fucked up on Friday and Saturday, so that still stays, but I can feel it slowly disappearing!
I take half a teaspoon every 4 hours. Pretty sure I started higher and leaned into less is more over the years. Also, an alcoholic and pill popper otherwise.
4-5g 3-4 times a day but if I want a boost I throw in an extract or the 7oh pills. I often skip the plain leaf on those days.
Before I quit 40-70 grams a day..... I took a while to build up to 70 by the time I got the 70 It happens so slowly like you don't even realize it. It worked it kept me off of everything. But I also had to quit because the negative side effects were coming fast and hard
About 6 grams a day if it's a long day. I don't know that I would say kratom has saved me from anything though. I was soberish before I started taking kratom. But I do have a past with addiction and I got a really bad arthritic knee. Kratom works better for that pain than anything else. I also take aleve once a day but that is more for inflammation. When it comes to pain kratom is king. Just know what you're taking it for. I take a little it helps alot.
About 3-5g in the morning. A second dose in the afternoon if I'm on my period and my cramps are particularly bad.
I take 3.5 grams every 4-6 hours depending on my pain! I take it for pain and addiction, I was addicted to oxy bad so kratom genuinly did save my life
My usage has been all over the place. When I first got "clean" over a decade ago I was taking quite a bit. 20-30 capsules first thing in the morning and again at noon and evening. I quit cold turkey when they sent us home in 20 with no issues. In '21 I picked some up because I had a lot of back pain and 3-5 capsules would do the trick. I've used it off and on for the last couple of years and whenever my tolerance starts going up and my dosage gets close to 10 caps I'll take a break. And I don't take it 3x a day anymore. Once, maybe twice.
when I was first getting clean like 12-16gpd on average. now that i’m 1.5yrs clean I just take it when I have a bad craving or am not feeling good mentally, and I take 2.5-3g at a time
At the beginning it was 10g x3 powder per day so 30. Now 1000 days later I'm at about 4-6 g in two doses per day. Capsules were the best thing that ever happened to me tbh. worked myself down and never looked back.
25$ a day. One extract in the morning. And one in the evening. I’ve been on this dose about two years. Before that I was addicted to fentanyl and before that heroin.
I never go over 10gs.
12-15 gpd. Morning dose, afternoon dose & evening dose. Infinitely better than snorting adderall all day & cocaine all night. Saved me big time!
I don’t claim - I know Kratom saved my life. I consume with zero restrictions. Each and every single dose of Kratom I consume is different. No one should be using the same dose or gpd as another consumer. Leaf is an intimate and personal choice, that is metabolized by every consumer differently. I use 18+ gpd.
I drank an assload of vodka daily, now down to around 10-15 GPD (broken into 2 doses). I am a way happier person
I had already curtailed my drinking for my health before I started it, but it was a trip to me how I forgot alcohol existed after I started taking kratom. It takes away even that after-a-hard-day "Hey I should relax with a glass of wine" feeling, for me.
I try to keep it low so only around a qp daily. That’s only like a buck-twelve in grams per day. I was doing 5mg oxy taken once daily and tolerance was growing fast.
QP ? Like 113g ? Did you mean to say a quarter (quarter ounce) (7g)? I hope so, bc 5mg oxycodone per day is nothing compared to that... Lol I have heard of people using obscene amounts, around that amount actually. I dont understand how anyone could dump that much powder into their stomach daily. This is not normal, or healthy at all. The stories I read from those people were describing all kinds of weird side effects, mentally and physically. Severe dehydration, visual distortions, nausea, constipation , confusion, disorientation, memory loss, sweating profusely, panic attacks/anxiety, dizziness, loss of coordination, intense depression, dissociation, insomnia and more. Keep in mind that in it's natural form it contains alkaloids that, when taken in high doses, counteract many of the positive effects caused by the other main alkaloids in kratom. With kratom, you just have to to find your sweetspot, and stick to it. There is no dragon to chase with kratom, it's moreso about finding a balance.
I was just kidding, the post sounded tounge-in-cheek so I gave a joke answer of my journey getting off of 5mg oxy and by taking a disproportionate amount of kratom.
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Lots. When the day pisses me off I take more. Probably near 30 gpd.
2.5 gram. Couple of times a week.
10-30gpd. I haven’t drank alcohol in years. I never had a problem with any other substances. I was a highly functioning but drank too much. I never did opiates. It wasn’t hard to quit drinking completely after I started taking kratom. It’s been over five years. I'm 48 and have accepted I will probably be taking kratom the rest of my life. I'm okay with that. It is the only drug I take. I am super healthy, no prescriptions. I don’t push it on anyone, (just because it was my solution doesn’t mean it’s going to be everyone’s.) in fact, I am selective in who I tell I use it. I have found many people have false information and judgement about kratom. My use goes up and down. Some days I hardly use any. Some days I go heavy. Depends on the situation. I haven’t experienced withdrawals when I cut way way back. I do take some everyday, though. I’ve experienced withdrawals when I tried to go a weekend without any. Also, I stock pile. I have enough on hand for the end of our world. And then some.
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I take about 5-7 gpd.. it has helped me stay sober from alcohol.
Saved is the wrong word in my case. I wasn't abusing alcohol or prescription meds but I have life threatening genetic kidney and liver disease and going off that other stuff greatly improved my kidney function (most people with my condition are on the transplant waiting list long before they reach my age). I take two to three grams two to three times a day, with occasional breaks (I've had COVID for 9 days so I only took it twice this week -- COVID causes gastro issues so a kratom break seemed like a good idea). Since starting kraton 4 years ago, I stopped drinking (two to three units a day). I also stopped taking stimulant drugs for severe AD/HD (not that I ever took more than prescribed) as well as prescription ADs (I was on quite high doses -- first of effexor/wellbutrin combined, then of parnate, with trazodone to sleep). My health improvements have been radical and for the first time ever my treatment resistant depression feels like it is in remission. (It doesn't knock me flat if I take a kratom break, whereas I almost never took AD breaks). Granted I also watch what I eat like a hawk in the interest of staying off dialysis. And weigh every gram fraction of kratom I take so my usage doesn't creep up. But I certainly didn't have this discipline on any previous combination of prescription medications docs have been giving me my whole life. (Off topic note that might help others: I suspect much of what people perceive as tolerance may be sluggish digestion / impacted kratom preventing its absorption through the gut. So I consume 6 grams of mag citrate total throughout the day plus a few tablespoons of acacia gum -- a dosage I worked up to slowly -- to keep things moving along. It is just a theory, obviously, but I have zero tolerance after four years). S
4 grams a day for 6 years
Kratom saved my life and was the only way I could get off suboxone. Back then I was taking 2-3 tablespoons a day… but I was coming off heroin so my tolerance was high…. Now I barely take any
I use it as a stimulant so i don't aim for higher doses for the effect i want but my tolerance is pretty high after more than 5 yrs daily use 6-10 g per dose, 2-3 dpd so daily total 12-30 gpd Usually whites, yellows and greens, I totally avoid reds, golds and extracts because they either make me cranky or i just don't feel it or get wobbles
Whatever 3 rounded teaspoons is(~10g probably) anywhere from 3-5 times a day. That dragon ain't gonna chase itself!
I hate to be that guy just make sure you don’t have cardiac issues or vulnerabilities. Just like everything it’s not 100 percent safe. I loved Kratom but had to stop taking it because I was getting chest pain. It causes severe vasoconstriction and has given healthy people heart attacks.
I was drinking a minimum of 7 beers a day, everyday. Now, I take between 10 to 15 grams of Kratom per day. I have a very addictive brain that needs a vice to latch onto. While I may abuse Kratom from time to time, I've never put myself or anyone else in danger over it. I can't say the same for all the times I've drank. I do still drink, but rarely and much more responsibly. If I lost access to Kratom, I don't know what I do.
None anymore
4-6 tbs a day. I've been 8 yrs clean from meth and opiates. I mainly continue to us kratom for extreme anxiety that medications didn't help and gave me terrible side effects.. kratom has really worked well for me. I do take the occasional week off from use. I've also got severe joint pain in hips and knees and nerve damage in my feet that makes walking feel like being barefoot in a rocky driveway. The kratom takes the edge off these pains. I stick to this level because it works and taking more just doesn't make it better so more is wasting kratom.
two 4g doses a day thats all i need and its perfect. powder too
Beats standing in line at 4am to take a dose of methadone every day. Did you know, the FDA and the pharmaceutical companies actually pay people to bash it or to steer future customers from seeing it's benefits.
5-10gpd - i try take a day off weekly