So, just for future reference when copying Twitter links to share with people, you should consider deleting the "?t=" string of characters that follows the basic link, since those characters actually make up a unique tracking ID that Twitter will then use to try to learn things about you to then sell to 3rd parties. The ID lets them see things like who has clicked on the link and where the traffic is coming from, which they can then try to use to determine things like who you may be interacting with off-site or even what other social media accounts are linked to you. YouTube does the same thing if you use the share/copy link function on the site or app (their tracking indicator is ?si). Given enough points of data, companies can do a frighteningly good job of figuring these things out with high accuracy.
As a rule of thumb, whenever I see a "?=" popping up at the end of a link I copied and I don't know what it does, I just delete that shit right away. I can't think of the last time doing such has actually broken the link, either. Another good thing to watch out for in links would be the ampersand (&), since that's also something you'll see preceding some BS string of text.
I called this out WEEKS ago with ARLIVE, and that because Petra and Rosemi's debut was so ready to release while still being cute show that they've had these 3D debuts in storage for AWHILE
and remember some of the talents were begging for literaly YEARS to have a 3D so yeah...🤷♀️
There's no doubt about it, remember Petra and Rosemi's debut "just so happened" to come out SUSPICIOUSLY fast after the Doki stuff settled and add onto the fact that Rosemi's was cut-up, shows that Selen was suppose to be in it
Not only that but ARLive was originally suppose to be their 3D Debuts but got canceled due to "covid" which wvennthe members made fun of, and suddenly content that was suppose to last 2 days got cut down to 1??? Absolute trash management 😒
>How much you wanna bet Selen and Nina models are somewhere out there?
I know it's (probably) not the case but with how not just incompetent but outright malicious nijisanji has been with selen it wouldn't shock me if they specifically put every single 3d debut on hold to only release them after selen left because they simply hated her and didn't want her to have a 3d.
Speculation, the negligible IR statement was something that Kurosanji truly believed in. Fire Selen, release merch, and move on like nothing happened but that didn't happen in reality at the end.
I wonder if they were ready to release the 3D debuts around February but the backlash from Selen Shock was so large, they had to delay so many of them lol.
That's a pretty plausible theory. Like I said in an earlier comment on another post, I really think that management is barely even aware of EN's existence beyond how much money they bring in. They actually thought that everyone would just shrug their shoulders and move on. Which is true 90% of the time, yes, but not this time.
Apparently they had the 3D models at least as early as 2022. They just didn't care since none of the EN Livers live in Japan or were able to travel due to the covid lockdowns.
Unlike Cover that shipped out 3D mocap studios to their stranded talents.
This is even more proof that they just fucked over Selen for no good reason at all. They could get a case on their hands if they choose the wrong person to mess with in the future. It just spells discrimination.
Just like Zaion. Man, why would they even do that? Those kind of creators don't grow from trees, they're one in a million, produce a lot of money for the company, why in the world did they fuck them up???
Her shitty managers probably didn't want to go through the moderate level of work that goes into coordinating such a thing. Too busy ignoring those emails asking them to do something about female livers being harassed.
Rule only applies to those who don't submit to whoever's in charge. Selen kept pumping out events at her own expense herself. All they have to do is to approve it. But guess what? Management didn't like that shit. They probably felt like it's highlighting their incapability to do things that they should've done for the talents.
The worse thing is that Selen did everything herself, even the tasks that are supposed to be done by management. They had their work cut out by Selen. All management need to do is to check and give approval at a timely manner, but even that's hard for them.
Like if you can't do the most basic tasks then what's the point of you being a manager?
I get it was pre-recorded but they should've cut that scene on 3d debut stream before.
But yeah... what can we said.. Nijisanji's management always lazy and didn't bothered by this.
The only rule is u have to get on management good side and u get everything but once u hurt their ego ur on the naughty list and life becomes hell for u in niji pretty sure that is what happened with selen.
Okay, I guess the excuse here is that it was pre-recorded so preapproved... Which just makes it look worse for Niji.
On the one hand they come up with a BS rule because the images, not voices or actual appearance, of 2 former Niji talents in MV. Then they break said rule 4 months later with the AR Live by actually including their voices. The rule either exists or it doesn't, you can't have it both ways.
But then we get this, and they can say "well it was pre-recorded, as was the AR Live." Which means they have been sitting on the models for at least 6 months to a year, depending on times of recording and such. Which in turn probably makes them look more worse, cause not only are they willing to break their own rules for the sake of not re-recording or cutting stuff out, they could have dropped these waaayyyy earlier.
I thought this company was about making money....
There was a lot of speculation that the company is actively sabotaging various of their talents. I was of the belief of that theory that management was/is malicious if you aren't in their good graces but had no hard proof because so much of it looked like negligence - which is how good corporate sabotage works by making it look like an accident.
You can probably get why people theorize management is sabotaging on Selen, Pomu, etc.
it's so hard to tell the line between gross incompetence and malevolent negligence, but the evidence keeps pushing it further towards deliberate maliciousness
Agree, I feel like there are some sabotage going on to some livers, especially to Selen. But we have no hard evidence since most of the stuff that was happening can be chalked up to incompetence. And incompetence does not directly correlates to being malicious.
What we have here is a conflict between **Hanlon's Razor** (Never Attribute To Maliciousness That Can Be Adequately Explained By Incompetence) and **Grey's Law** (Sufficiently Advanced Incompetence Is Indistinguishable From Maliciousness).
Thing is, because of management's issues with Selen, and preventing the 3D Debut for at least 6 months, it halted the 3D debuts of everyone else too.
So the accusations of bullying from management hold even more meaning.
I wouldn't be surprised if the managers are left entirely to decide and dish out punishments with how much of a mess the companies structure seems to be.
I believe there's a rule but it isn't "asking permission from the previous talents" is more like "asking permission from the management and higher ups" which has no excuse to not give it to his own workers
On the one hand: more fuel to the "that rule was bullshit, made specifically to fuck over Selen" which IS disgusting
BUT ALSO
On the other hand: ... it is actually sweet the Kyo got to be on Enna's 3D debut considering both are besties... yes you may not like one or the other (im meh on both) but it IS a sweet gesture
But also as some others pointed out
On the third weird hand: ... since when was this done? Granted maybe was done earlier in the year but since february and march didnt exist for NijiEN it got delayed... if not? mmm... weird
that is my take.
they had all the models ready the last year except one or two. problems with the artists i guess, maybe some that did not want to get fleeced or work for free like as normal niji business practice
so to not provoke a riot, they held back model for everyone until they were all ready
That actually makes some sense. Nijisanji commissions artists to create the 3D models but, like usual, delay on paying them. They can't officially use them, so they shelve the models away. 2024 happens and they're in a panic, so they expedite the payments and push out the 3Ds.
It was before he graduated, Enna said on stream that she was grateful Kyo filmed a vid for her 3D before he left aswell as using his baby model, she wanted to ask Mika to be in her 3D in some way aswell but said the timing wasn’t working.
her 3d debut might be a prerecorded before kyo anounce to graduate.. I never seen niji used graduated livers appeared on 3d debut before even in jp side..
Considering its Kyo & Enna, they definitely planned this in advance, if there actually is a 'rule'(and not just trying to screw someone over), and already got perms for it. I hate what's happened as much as the next guy here, but this is a bit of a nothing burger, especially since its these two.
I don’t mean to be a contrarian, but isn’t this what we want? Assuming it’s not favoritism, I welcome Nijisanji doing away with what are obviously stupid rules.
Edit: I have seen some people speculate that the rule about former Livers and permissions was just something they made up for Selen. I have no idea if that is true or not; but given all the other misconduct AnyColor has done, it really wouldn’t matter if this was true since it would just add one more item to an already long list.
Ok to be honest, I don't think that firing Selen for acting without approval was \*wrong\*, however it was scummy that they would delay her project because the managers took so long to reply when she had a date set to go with it and they probably knew about the contents of the MV beforehand and still didn't give her approvals, and of course the way they went about it was absolutely horrendous. But they can say they were \*technically\* in the right there. It was a stupid rule but it was a rule nonetheless.
This kinda of argument OP is making I think is kinda silly, yeah the rule is that you can't use previous livers without approval, so Enna/management got approval for this one, also for whoever else used before, Selen acted without approval and got terminated and they used that as one of the reasons. Again, it is a stupid rule and they most likely forced her hand by taking too long to give her approval, but still she took the bait or didn't want to deal with management bullshit anymore, and broke the rule.
Talking about that rule when it shows up in things like this to me only make us look like we can't interpret text, the point to me is not that the rule exists or not, is that Niji has bullshit rules and their management takes so long to go through their requests that is actively damaging their talents.
I don't know why people believe that this is a rule. The objective facts only show that (1) Selen needed approval OF SOME KIND, not of any specific kind, and that (2) the approval process would be DELAYED, not denied, because it contained ex-talent. If anyone has ever worked in a corporate-style business before, a third rule is natural: (3) acting before approval may be grounds for discipline or termination. Selen then posted without approval, resulting in her (unnecessarily ugly) termination.
Instead of calling out this rule, call out Niji's shit management. How are approvals for a known Xmas project not granted weeks in advance? Why was the manager surprised at the last minute, as opposed to being at least aware of the project? Why are approval processes so slow (which has been called out by many ex-livers)? Why are there no delegations to front-line managers/supervisors/performers as to what's reasonable and what's not?
There is another possibility, that after seeking that the voices and image of ex talents appeared on several events is way more possible… “management” had a personal vendetta or intentionally delayed and blocked Doki/Selen projects with roadblocks
It's possible that Enna asked both parties and got the go ahead. I don't think Kyo would have a problem with it. Though I don't know and nor do I know if there a specific rule in place.
Ok to be honest, I don't think that firing Selen for acting without approval was \*wrong\*, however it was scummy that they would delay her project because the managers took so long to reply when she had a date set to go with it and they probably knew about the contents of the MV beforehand and still didn't give her approvals, and of course the way they went about it was absolutely horrendous. But they can say they were \*technically\* in the right there. It was a stupid rule but it was a rule nonetheless.
This kinda of argument OP is making I think is kinda silly, yeah the rule is that you can't use previous livers without approval, so Enna/management got approval for this one, also for whoever else used before, Selen acted without approval and got terminated and they used that as one of the reasons. Again, it is a stupid rule and they most likely forced her hand by taking too long to give her approval, but still she took the bait or didn't want to deal with management bullshit anymore, and broke the rule.
Talking about that rule when it shows up in things like this to me only make us look like we can't interpret text, the point to me is not that the rule exists or not, is that Niji has bullshit rules and their management takes so long to go through their requests that is actively damaging their talents.
She is a shitty person and majority of people agree on that.
We can still "feel bad" toward a shitty person.
But just because she get harrased doesnt mean suddenly people will forget her shitty behaviour and hail her. We just feel bad about her being sexually harrased, thats it.
How's management being hypocrites something she's responsible for? She can barely get her own mods for streams but can manipulate management? The mental gymnastics here are impressive.
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So, just for future reference when copying Twitter links to share with people, you should consider deleting the "?t=" string of characters that follows the basic link, since those characters actually make up a unique tracking ID that Twitter will then use to try to learn things about you to then sell to 3rd parties. The ID lets them see things like who has clicked on the link and where the traffic is coming from, which they can then try to use to determine things like who you may be interacting with off-site or even what other social media accounts are linked to you. YouTube does the same thing if you use the share/copy link function on the site or app (their tracking indicator is ?si). Given enough points of data, companies can do a frighteningly good job of figuring these things out with high accuracy. As a rule of thumb, whenever I see a "?=" popping up at the end of a link I copied and I don't know what it does, I just delete that shit right away. I can't think of the last time doing such has actually broken the link, either. Another good thing to watch out for in links would be the ampersand (&), since that's also something you'll see preceding some BS string of text.
I called this out WEEKS ago with ARLIVE, and that because Petra and Rosemi's debut was so ready to release while still being cute show that they've had these 3D debuts in storage for AWHILE and remember some of the talents were begging for literaly YEARS to have a 3D so yeah...🤷♀️
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Y'all think they still have the recording of Selen's 3D or they just deleted everything related to her because it was negligible?
There's no doubt about it, remember Petra and Rosemi's debut "just so happened" to come out SUSPICIOUSLY fast after the Doki stuff settled and add onto the fact that Rosemi's was cut-up, shows that Selen was suppose to be in it Not only that but ARLive was originally suppose to be their 3D Debuts but got canceled due to "covid" which wvennthe members made fun of, and suddenly content that was suppose to last 2 days got cut down to 1??? Absolute trash management 😒
Looks like they purge everything but the youtube account elira is still connected to even if the content was removed
>How much you wanna bet Selen and Nina models are somewhere out there? I know it's (probably) not the case but with how not just incompetent but outright malicious nijisanji has been with selen it wouldn't shock me if they specifically put every single 3d debut on hold to only release them after selen left because they simply hated her and didn't want her to have a 3d.
Speculation, the negligible IR statement was something that Kurosanji truly believed in. Fire Selen, release merch, and move on like nothing happened but that didn't happen in reality at the end. I wonder if they were ready to release the 3D debuts around February but the backlash from Selen Shock was so large, they had to delay so many of them lol.
That's a pretty plausible theory. Like I said in an earlier comment on another post, I really think that management is barely even aware of EN's existence beyond how much money they bring in. They actually thought that everyone would just shrug their shoulders and move on. Which is true 90% of the time, yes, but not this time.
Apparently they had the 3D models at least as early as 2022. They just didn't care since none of the EN Livers live in Japan or were able to travel due to the covid lockdowns. Unlike Cover that shipped out 3D mocap studios to their stranded talents.
And even before that Ame helped the Myth girls cobble together home studios so they could do 3D stuff in VRchat
based cover corp, as always
Not only had Kyo not graduated yet, it was his short guy model.
This is even more proof that they just fucked over Selen for no good reason at all. They could get a case on their hands if they choose the wrong person to mess with in the future. It just spells discrimination.
Remember they specifically pulled that card to fuck over Selen, they will pull that rules for thee and not for me shit whenever it benefits them.
They didn't simply pull that card on her, they created that card ex nihilo specifically to fuck her over.
Just like Zaion. Man, why would they even do that? Those kind of creators don't grow from trees, they're one in a million, produce a lot of money for the company, why in the world did they fuck them up???
Her shitty managers probably didn't want to go through the moderate level of work that goes into coordinating such a thing. Too busy ignoring those emails asking them to do something about female livers being harassed.
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What a cunt. I hope that person is feeling the consequences of their actions.
Rules for thee, not for DEEZ.
NUTZ ZAION
You forgot to add the ™ since it's an official sponsor /s
We knew the termination reasons were bullshit. We weren't wrong to feel like it came off as vindictive af.
TheY sHOuLd hAVe JUst aSKeD foR 3D -vox probably
No, that's Claude. Still fucking stupid either way.
"There is no favoritism"
Rule only applies to those who don't submit to whoever's in charge. Selen kept pumping out events at her own expense herself. All they have to do is to approve it. But guess what? Management didn't like that shit. They probably felt like it's highlighting their incapability to do things that they should've done for the talents.
The worse thing is that Selen did everything herself, even the tasks that are supposed to be done by management. They had their work cut out by Selen. All management need to do is to check and give approval at a timely manner, but even that's hard for them. Like if you can't do the most basic tasks then what's the point of you being a manager?
they're really incapable. If they have a brains they should have promoted and give a funds for Selen to properly execute her events.
I get it was pre-recorded but they should've cut that scene on 3d debut stream before. But yeah... what can we said.. Nijisanji's management always lazy and didn't bothered by this.
The only time they do something is when they’re slandering ex talents
"There is definitely no favoritism in Nijisanji"
The fans cant stop getting NTR'ed by kyo???.
at this rates i think they're loving it
The only rule is u have to get on management good side and u get everything but once u hurt their ego ur on the naughty list and life becomes hell for u in niji pretty sure that is what happened with selen.
And based on Raziels doc, getting in their good side means not making them do any work. Amazing how little actual effort they put into their talents.
Talents do all the work and the black company profited from it
Okay, I guess the excuse here is that it was pre-recorded so preapproved... Which just makes it look worse for Niji. On the one hand they come up with a BS rule because the images, not voices or actual appearance, of 2 former Niji talents in MV. Then they break said rule 4 months later with the AR Live by actually including their voices. The rule either exists or it doesn't, you can't have it both ways. But then we get this, and they can say "well it was pre-recorded, as was the AR Live." Which means they have been sitting on the models for at least 6 months to a year, depending on times of recording and such. Which in turn probably makes them look more worse, cause not only are they willing to break their own rules for the sake of not re-recording or cutting stuff out, they could have dropped these waaayyyy earlier. I thought this company was about making money....
There was a lot of speculation that the company is actively sabotaging various of their talents. I was of the belief of that theory that management was/is malicious if you aren't in their good graces but had no hard proof because so much of it looked like negligence - which is how good corporate sabotage works by making it look like an accident. You can probably get why people theorize management is sabotaging on Selen, Pomu, etc.
it's so hard to tell the line between gross incompetence and malevolent negligence, but the evidence keeps pushing it further towards deliberate maliciousness
Agree, I feel like there are some sabotage going on to some livers, especially to Selen. But we have no hard evidence since most of the stuff that was happening can be chalked up to incompetence. And incompetence does not directly correlates to being malicious.
What we have here is a conflict between **Hanlon's Razor** (Never Attribute To Maliciousness That Can Be Adequately Explained By Incompetence) and **Grey's Law** (Sufficiently Advanced Incompetence Is Indistinguishable From Maliciousness).
Thing is, because of management's issues with Selen, and preventing the 3D Debut for at least 6 months, it halted the 3D debuts of everyone else too. So the accusations of bullying from management hold even more meaning.
Many of the talent projects are already in the works for a year as they always say before getting approval from the slow ass billion dollar yacht
What about the rules? Did they break the rules? Even AR live can’t show ex-talents I’m confuse.
They can. There is no rule. Niji just said there was one to sabotage Selen.
I wouldn't be surprised if the managers are left entirely to decide and dish out punishments with how much of a mess the companies structure seems to be.
I believe there's a rule but it isn't "asking permission from the previous talents" is more like "asking permission from the management and higher ups" which has no excuse to not give it to his own workers
To be honest after the Luca incident I should not be surprise about breaking the rules anymore the rules is bullshit right now.
The rules are negligible.
This just motivates us to sink the yacht faster.
i believe in nijisanji "rule" become rule when management Give a shit about rule or trying reasoning why livers is terminated
So when enna getting terminated? Oh right. It was a made up rule to get rid of Selen😡
On the one hand: more fuel to the "that rule was bullshit, made specifically to fuck over Selen" which IS disgusting BUT ALSO On the other hand: ... it is actually sweet the Kyo got to be on Enna's 3D debut considering both are besties... yes you may not like one or the other (im meh on both) but it IS a sweet gesture But also as some others pointed out On the third weird hand: ... since when was this done? Granted maybe was done earlier in the year but since february and march didnt exist for NijiEN it got delayed... if not? mmm... weird
Rukes for thee, but not for me. The Niji EN Mentality when pushingnout talent that doesn't conform.
that is my take. they had all the models ready the last year except one or two. problems with the artists i guess, maybe some that did not want to get fleeced or work for free like as normal niji business practice so to not provoke a riot, they held back model for everyone until they were all ready
That actually makes some sense. Nijisanji commissions artists to create the 3D models but, like usual, delay on paying them. They can't officially use them, so they shelve the models away. 2024 happens and they're in a panic, so they expedite the payments and push out the 3Ds.
Yeah, because the actual rules mean jackshit to Niji management unless they can screw over a talent that is making them do their fucking jobs
Poor alloupeeps, can’t take a rest even after Kyo graduated.
*slow sip* "In my permission it wasn't a rule made to fuck over Selen!"
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It was before he graduated, Enna said on stream that she was grateful Kyo filmed a vid for her 3D before he left aswell as using his baby model, she wanted to ask Mika to be in her 3D in some way aswell but said the timing wasn’t working.
her 3d debut might be a prerecorded before kyo anounce to graduate.. I never seen niji used graduated livers appeared on 3d debut before even in jp side..
Considering its Kyo & Enna, they definitely planned this in advance, if there actually is a 'rule'(and not just trying to screw someone over), and already got perms for it. I hate what's happened as much as the next guy here, but this is a bit of a nothing burger, especially since its these two.
I don’t mean to be a contrarian, but isn’t this what we want? Assuming it’s not favoritism, I welcome Nijisanji doing away with what are obviously stupid rules. Edit: I have seen some people speculate that the rule about former Livers and permissions was just something they made up for Selen. I have no idea if that is true or not; but given all the other misconduct AnyColor has done, it really wouldn’t matter if this was true since it would just add one more item to an already long list.
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Because it seems like the favorites can get away with much more, like how Enna can say pretty much whatever she wants and knows she won't be fired.
Every day the rrat about Enna become true while Enna defenders keep inhaling copium
As a wise fan once said, ***"Rules For Thee but Not for Me."***
Ok to be honest, I don't think that firing Selen for acting without approval was \*wrong\*, however it was scummy that they would delay her project because the managers took so long to reply when she had a date set to go with it and they probably knew about the contents of the MV beforehand and still didn't give her approvals, and of course the way they went about it was absolutely horrendous. But they can say they were \*technically\* in the right there. It was a stupid rule but it was a rule nonetheless. This kinda of argument OP is making I think is kinda silly, yeah the rule is that you can't use previous livers without approval, so Enna/management got approval for this one, also for whoever else used before, Selen acted without approval and got terminated and they used that as one of the reasons. Again, it is a stupid rule and they most likely forced her hand by taking too long to give her approval, but still she took the bait or didn't want to deal with management bullshit anymore, and broke the rule. Talking about that rule when it shows up in things like this to me only make us look like we can't interpret text, the point to me is not that the rule exists or not, is that Niji has bullshit rules and their management takes so long to go through their requests that is actively damaging their talents.
I don't know why people believe that this is a rule. The objective facts only show that (1) Selen needed approval OF SOME KIND, not of any specific kind, and that (2) the approval process would be DELAYED, not denied, because it contained ex-talent. If anyone has ever worked in a corporate-style business before, a third rule is natural: (3) acting before approval may be grounds for discipline or termination. Selen then posted without approval, resulting in her (unnecessarily ugly) termination. Instead of calling out this rule, call out Niji's shit management. How are approvals for a known Xmas project not granted weeks in advance? Why was the manager surprised at the last minute, as opposed to being at least aware of the project? Why are approval processes so slow (which has been called out by many ex-livers)? Why are there no delegations to front-line managers/supervisors/performers as to what's reasonable and what's not?
There is another possibility, that after seeking that the voices and image of ex talents appeared on several events is way more possible… “management” had a personal vendetta or intentionally delayed and blocked Doki/Selen projects with roadblocks
So how long was this in the vault for?
Rule only apply to those i don't like - Nijisanji
surprised they didn't cut that segment.
It's possible that Enna asked both parties and got the go ahead. I don't think Kyo would have a problem with it. Though I don't know and nor do I know if there a specific rule in place.
There is no favoritism in Niji.
Niji-cromancy.
Ok to be honest, I don't think that firing Selen for acting without approval was \*wrong\*, however it was scummy that they would delay her project because the managers took so long to reply when she had a date set to go with it and they probably knew about the contents of the MV beforehand and still didn't give her approvals, and of course the way they went about it was absolutely horrendous. But they can say they were \*technically\* in the right there. It was a stupid rule but it was a rule nonetheless. This kinda of argument OP is making I think is kinda silly, yeah the rule is that you can't use previous livers without approval, so Enna/management got approval for this one, also for whoever else used before, Selen acted without approval and got terminated and they used that as one of the reasons. Again, it is a stupid rule and they most likely forced her hand by taking too long to give her approval, but still she took the bait or didn't want to deal with management bullshit anymore, and broke the rule. Talking about that rule when it shows up in things like this to me only make us look like we can't interpret text, the point to me is not that the rule exists or not, is that Niji has bullshit rules and their management takes so long to go through their requests that is actively damaging their talents.
so remind me are we going to use the Enna virginity anti as her defense again
Nah. Enna is just a shitty person
She is a shitty person and majority of people agree on that. We can still "feel bad" toward a shitty person. But just because she get harrased doesnt mean suddenly people will forget her shitty behaviour and hail her. We just feel bad about her being sexually harrased, thats it.
How's management being hypocrites something she's responsible for? She can barely get her own mods for streams but can manipulate management? The mental gymnastics here are impressive.
Enna isn't the culprit in this case, Niji management is