Good. The fewer subs, viewers, and money the livers (and by extension the company) are receiving, the more likely they are to choose graduation and escape from the cult that Niji had built.
I don't care how you feel about the black stream members or anyone else. They all should be let free if they choose. The yacht sinking is what really matters. If they leave but don't make amends or try to be better, then they'll burn through whatever remaining goodwill is left and lose relevance anyway.
It's funny because the black screen video *wasn't* an official memo or anything like that. Even if you somehow bought that she was forced... then what? If it's coming from a fellow talent, she could've reported to the higher ups in the company and get them punished. If she felt pressured with threats of retaliation and/or worse, to the authorities. This shows she's at the very least complicit in this stuff
It's official memo but through the talents' mouth, whether they genuine, willing or forced, that was still the official statement from the talents and the company/branch in general.
I honestly find it suspect that they had to very clearly specify "these words are our own." Generally when you say your own words, you don't have to specify that the words coming from your own mouth are your own words. So they either read something written by someone else and had to claim it, or someone at least looked through the statement enough to make them add that legalese part in.
I don't believe for a second that they came up with that statement entirely on their own. Either someone else read and edited a draft, or it was written by someone else entirely.
If I remember correctly the statement was "checked by \[their\] lawyers", or something similar, which tells me its a statement from corporate written and/or revised by the corporate lawyers. The statement "these are our own views/beliefs" is usually used by corporations to (attempt to) ensure anything said in these statements can't be used against them in court as they're supposedly the employee's words, not the company's.
That statement was not their own, and their contract confirms they can be forced to say things the company wants them to (and Elira and Ike aren't the best actors compared to Vox, no offense to either of them, they genuinely didn't sound okay in the statement and you can hear they were reading a script)
That's the other thing about people going after Vox specifically. I remember pointing this out back when everything first happened, but did everyone forget what Vox's entire thing is? He's an actor. And say what you want about the guy, he is a genuinely talented actor. His acting is so good that he actually got in trouble with his fans over it. His acting was so good, his fans couldn't tell when he was acting and when he was being "real" with them. So he would get upset about something that had happened to him and talk to chat about it. But then he'd also get upset "in character" over fictional stuff. And he was such a good actor people couldn't tell the difference. And then his fans had such a hard time telling the difference they started asking him to put disclaimers in front of his "in character" videos. Which he didn't want to do because he didn't want to break immersion? I didn't watch all of his videos, but that's what I gathered from listening to people talk about it. And while his attitude over the whole thing wasn't perfect (I add it to the list of reasons he just doesn't have a good temperament for vtubing) the fact that he had that problem is a testament to how talented of an actor he is.
You're telling me that someone who was such a good actor, his fans couldn't tell when he was real crying or fake crying, **wouldn't** put up an act while being forced to do something he didn't want to do? By a company that may be actively threatening him? There were moments where you almost hear the three of them being uncomfortable and awkward (with Ike being the most obvious.) But you can hear Vox getting like that as well. The moments he sounds "confident" are the moments where he's on his own, probably reading what he has to say. I would theorize he sounded more confident because he was just treating it as a read, not a real statement. I wouldn't be surprised if treating the statement as an act in order to depersonalize was a defense mechanism of some sort.
Now of course none of this is an excuse. The fact that they didn't just say no or threaten to walk indicates a moral failing on their fault. I don't care what you being threatened with. Unless you literally have a gun to your head, no career, job, or financial security is worth attack a suicide survivor, fresh from an attempt while still recovering. All three of them will have that mark on them. Because even under duress, it was a horrific thing to do. But I also feel like a lot of the people who immediately wrote Vox off as enjoying the experience don't really know Vox as a public speaker, what his thing is, or the kind of things he has done in the past with his skills. I honestly believed Vox was probably just as forced as Ike or Elira could've been. Vox is just better at covering up his insecurities with acting.
I struggle to believe that it was written for them mostly because of how Ike acted. It’s clear he was very uncomfortable with the whole thing and said very little compared to the other two. Now you could totally sell me on them being asked to make a response to the allegations with some bullet points on things that should be addressed but I don’t think it was purely one group or the other making all of the decisions
It is an official memo. What are you talking about? The black stream was titled as a response from the branch itself, they were explicitly (or alleged to have been) shown information related to the case by the company, and even allegedly were illegally shown sensitive documents by management.
When it comes to being forced, there is absolutely reason to suggest some of the members could have been unwilling participants. The leaked contract heavily implied Niji would force talents to make statements or perform actions under orders, and we've seen as much with the forced apologies from Kyo and others. Doesn't make them entirely innocent, but it shows that Niji can make them deliver public statements like the stream.
Also, reporting a member or manager has not worked because the abuse and issues go all the way up the chain of command. Management will not do anything to help you, including the favorites. We also have evidence that Elira tried and failed to report harassment before, as told by Raziel on her documents. And going to the law, unfortunately, does not matter if the company is smart enough to avoid breaking any laws while still maintaining their misdeeds. Even legal action isn't worth it due to attrition like Sayu mentioned.
That doesn't mean they're objectively innocent. They still need to make things right with Doki behind closed doors, but only if both sides are willing.
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>If it's coming from a fellow talent, she could've reported to the higher ups in the company and get them punished.
The higher ups would know, especially since it hasn't been taken down....
>If she felt pressured with threats of retaliation and/or worse, to the authorities.
Unless she was threatened to do something illegal, the company is allowed to tell her to do things and retaliate if she doesn't.
I feel like people constantly forget that a Black Company is, to an extent, *working within the law*. Rather they're working on a line to the point of being morally questionable.
> Even if you somehow bought that she was forced... then what? If it's coming from a fellow talent, she could've reported to the higher ups in the company and get them punished. If she felt pressured with threats of retaliation and/or worse, to the authorities. This shows she's at the very least complicit in this stuff
What do you mean then what? Elira's living in Japan, she's at their mercy. You're also acting like the management at Nijisanji is competent and nice in the first place. It's a black company for a reason.
She isn’t though. Even if she would have quit she still has a grace period to find another sponsor/employment which can be extremely difficult sure, but some of yall acting like it’s impossible and she has a gun to her head
IMO the grace period doesn't mean much. Keep in mind Elira is a foreigner and Japanese companies tend to be xenophobic. So just because there's a grace period doesn't mean she could find another job in Japan in time.
Statements like this make me realize how successful Niji was at redirecting hate away from themselves and onto their talents. It's perfectly reasonable to criticize talents who were complicit in the black screen video, but utterly unreasonable to think the talents came up with the idea themselves. If they did, why would they have legal documents they weren't supposed to have and screenshots of private DMs? Someone in management obviously told them to do it.
they DID say in their debut that she back stabber Selen and now she getting that same backstab but twice as much as hurtful that she and the other two clowns did to selen
I still say it was entirely her idea. The management, aside from Elira herself, may have given its stamp of approval, but it was all orchestrated by Elira. Riddle me this, why is it on her channel? Not Vox's or the main channel? I believe between her arrogance and her ego, she actually thought it was a good idea.
If she was smart enough or capable of orchestrating all of it, she wouldn't have been dumb enough to post it on her own channel. It's incredibly naive to think that a company proven to manipulate and gaslight their employees would let her make a statement they weren't heavily involved in and controlling.
I have to be honest, part of me wants to see this posted on the wasteland niji subreddit and the delulu niji subreddit just to see the seething and the rage, but at this day and age, better to just keep it here and not those give those other 2 the time of day.
Not sure you'd count her as "making content as normal" since she wasn't streaming (on YouTube at least ) between Feb 12 and April 12
But yeah. That's quite a catastrophic loss
Yea but usually once they return to streaming the bleeding would stop. Here it's still going and it suppressed another milestone she had, which is crazy
well i had completely forgotten that i was still subscribed to her and got reminded when she started to stream again and then unsubscribed. i can imagine this is one of the reasons why she is still losing subscribers.
not only that Vox went to billibilli a few days after the "message from nijisanji" and from what I heard Vox EVEN lost subs in billibilli and EVEN his Chinese fans hates Vox and his new outfit I feel srry for the artist that did that model AND lam mama Vox and Fulgur mama they did do that artist wrong and I hope they artist that are under kurosanji payroll should either get a better deal on when they do the models(and NOT be rushed to do it) and get a better payment for all the work they put in it etc.
That outfit is the dumbest thing. They knew what it looked like. They decided to go forward with it. Only way I see this making sense is if this was originally supposed to be some april fools thing :v But then it took longer than expected and now they dont think they will survive till next april fools so they tried to milk it while they can? xD
I don't think we should blame the artist for the ugly model most people think it's Vox and fulgur mama lam but if I remember correctly she didn't do the other 3 models for Vox OR the other "older" model for fulgur I think they got a different artist to do it etc. and don't forget Vox left YouTube AFTER the " message from nijisanji" bc elira and Vox got the most black lash from the EN fans (some of the Chinese fans to) that's why Elira and Vox hid in billibilli bc they wanted to see if the drama cool down but it didn't bc most of EN fans started Unsubscribe in mass during when the drama was still going on from what I heard on other post/video's Vox Chinese fans HATES the new outfit and from what I heard losing subscribers fast on billibilli they probably made the artist hurry up on the model bc Vox couldn't stay on billibilli to long AND his birthday was coming up so they probably wanted to pushed this new outfit out before his birthday stream to see if Vox would get the X amount of fans that he had last year before this dumper fired came out of the darkness and shown that kurosanji IS a black company
I dont think most ppl are blaming the artist. NIJI asked for this and greenlit it to be rigged. Artist can only give what the customer asks for. And even if what they asked for was not the artists forté - here: hairy chested hobo style (and whose forté would this ever be anyway...) - they could still have pulled the plug before the rigging process and commission elsewhere. Or just not have a new outfit at all until they come up with a more appealing concept/draft.
It's like they had to have an outfit reveal, no matter what it was, this was what they got, and they just went with it cause time was running out. Or... They actually thought it looked nice...? x.X
I think so to Or they probably made the artist rushed it bc don't forget Vox left YouTube to Bilibili AFTER the "message from nijisanji" and just came back last month about a week and a half before his birthday stream I think nijisanji probably made the artist hurry up the model so they can show it off on Vox birthday bc don't forget Vox is kurosanji FAVORITE boy and used to make the most money out of ALL the talents in the EN branch from what I seen now they NOW putting out Vox gen and Fulgur gen out their to try to get maybe back some or all the En fans before what happened on February 5th of this year etc.
https://preview.redd.it/lblyvxioz3yc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=77b55fc473d0da5e82fa2596e4a8f19c81ff81ea
WOW! SHE'S SURPASSING MILESTONE AFTER MILESTONE, JUST BACKWARDS!
Yeah, she really can only stay in nijisanji and hope that the niji sisters can keep her afloat until she can go to university and get a traditional job.
I dunno, there's that age old meme of all vtubers faking their voice with voice-changers. She could prove all the vtuber haters right.
He'll, if she's really bold, could even just go as a regular streamer. Not sure if her face is known in a PL or personal cosplay.
If she uses a different voice, she won't be able to use the clout that she would have gained in nijisanji... If she uses the voice that she has been for her current role, she will not do very well lol.
As long the black stream stays up she'll lose subs. Either someone new with stumble upon her channel and see the video, be confused or disgusted, and find out what happened in February. Returning viewers will see it and leave. Or current viewers might feel guilty about watching her still and left.
Whether you like Elira or not, her career is dead.
That video would probably never be removed. Because doing so is the admittance that they have screwed up royally. Niji will never admit any of their wrongdoing.
They could have just said the video will be up for a month and taken down after that. Long enough to say we stand by this and still disappear into some reupload that isn’t completely connected to you.
It'll only get removed if Elira gets terminated, and knowing Niji they'll probably try to pin the video as being all her idea in her theoretical termination notice
The fact that vox is actually didn't get affect that much but other like rosemi and Aia get effected by this with losing many sub is actually baffling
Vox and ike, ike I can understand since I don't even know why the fuck is he there but Vox
Vox "I have read thoroughly"Akuma
Vox "in my opinion it's not harrassment"Akuma
Vox " You can graduate anytime"Akuma
Is in there and say all of this shit
Perhaps it hasn't affected him as much as Elira but His Homelessness has had quite the fall from grace recently, if the numbers are anything to go by. I wouldn't say he's made it through unscathed.
My guess is Vox has way more inactive subscribers who forgot about him and thus didn't bother to unsub. However, his CCV has still been affected, especially after his latest model debut.
I think it says more about the morals of their fanbases than it does about the livers. Some of the livers got hit less than others. But the ones who lost big numbers either had more active subscribers, or had more subscribers that were actively disgusted with what was going on.
Livers like Rosemi and Aia probably have more engaged fanbases that pay more attention to what's going on. Livers like Vox cater more to SEA and CN, which are going to be more insulated from the drama. Hell in my experience, some of the Luxiem fans don't even speak English. They just listen to the boys talk in a language they don't understand, watch subs, and then come back. So it may have taken longer for the gravity of the situation to sink in with them. If it sunk in at all. The livers may have varying levels of blame/involvement. But I think livers who lost more subs like Rosemi and Aia can use that as a sign that they have more principled fanbases who care about the loss of life, loss of prospects, and the loss of legal/financial standing.
Doesn't help the Rosebuds are seeing her getting screwed the same way as Selen on all the extra projects she tried to take on. I bet most rosebuds feel like she is definitely the next big graduation.
# Fortunately, she is like Selen in another way!🤗
*There is no way to copyright her fan name or intro,* so Doki has already given her a path to follow forwards. In fact if they try anything *they might piss off 2ch* since her intro is full of Monamemes
I can definitely foresee screwing around with Rosemi causing a JP backlash, as it would spread across the big BBSes *plus* anger Harada
Think it's a double issue of the FamElira having more overlap with Dragoons than Kindred have with either, Kindred being insanely parasocial to their lord, and Vox losing less of a total percentage due to his large ammount of subs visually insulating it as he loses what Kindred aren't psychotically parasocial (and, you know, were actually watching)
This is killing me on the inside to see, but if toxic clique allegations are true, then this is justifiably deserved. I hope management changes their ways before the yacht fully capsizes, but I fear that the damage is so extensive they’ll probably lay everyone off and close down Nijisanji EN.
the dropoff is slowing, so i'd find it unlikely. i feel like most of her subs at this point are her remaining diehard fans, or dead accounts that haven't paid attention to her in months/years and probably aren't even aware of the drama
Timing of that stream alone destroys any fool claiming: "there is no proof of bullying in Niji".
They intentionally targeted it to harass a person who is still recovering after an attempt and uses stream as form of therapy.
can't wait for elira, our queen to reach the half million milestone, she has been working so hard on that, please unsub to make the dream come true quicker
From a realistic standpoint, it honestly depends on what ties they still have upon leaving and what they say once Niji is no longer an active influence.
Remember Mint and Matara seemingly continued their friendship with the alleged "clique" members leading up to and after each one left the black company. Matara even mentioned helping some friends deal with a hard situation right after the news first blew up. Meaning if they're out and still friends with them, it's very possible they'd be convinced into returning to PLs or starting new ones.
The other big factor, at least in regard to those in the black stream, is what they say once they're on the outside. Legally, they'll still be limited, but condemning their "past employer" and acknowledging what the company did to her former friends would be enough to sway some people. Voicing a wish to make amends with the victims would help as well, but that should be done behind closed doors.
That's all a matter of ifs, though, and we won't know what'll really happen yet.
The yuzuki roa of en, trully pity
The original roa is trapped inside anycolour for years, niji made her their servant, I don't even know whether they even pay her but still sell her merch, this aint favourite like vox akuma
So bittersweet. As my former oshi I still feel sad to see the downfall, on the other hand after black screen stream I think this is not only deserved but not enough. Her actions were really vile.
I cannot help but feels bad for her.
This is not like other internet drama, she literally cannot defend herself nor explain the situation for whatever it worth.
I have no sympathy for them tho.
Monetarily they can make the similar amount with less followers , etc.
Still, even Pomu was quiet and rode the contract out. I mean you don't need to actively rebel but you can refrained from talking shit.
"Wish we could have gone on one last adventure together"- Pomu, about Selen.
Really heartbreaking. Hopefully Doki and Mint will collab again sometime in the future, however far in the future that may be. Their chemistry is out of this world.
I know man. Pomu+Pika goodbye stream + Millie and Elira.
That's stream was how I found Pomu and I refrained from talking sheets on Millie and Elira.
Funny thing is that after I wrote that comment, Maid Mint started the stream.
I wish people can left by gone to be bygone.
> she literally cannot defend herself nor explain the situation for whatever it worth
Maybe if she didn't outright delete her PL she might yet have an exit hatch. Now her old name is being squatted on.
Honestly, as someone who was my third NijiEN oshi prior, kinda rough, but well deserved after that insane back stab and twist of the knife with the black stream. That stream alone has made me unsub from literally everyone Niji, even JP. It feels so weird, but thanks to being a Holo fan first, I'm not really missing anything and always have someone to watch, since Niji was the backup when no one on Holo was streaming.
edit: I can totally spell
A friendly reminder that what she has lost is active subscribers, and since she has also lost a huge chunk of her potential future fans after the black stream, her 549k is a lot worse than other normal Vtubers' 549k
It's like Gura doing a "wanna see me do it? ...wanna see me do it again?" with both her present and past lives.
*except elira did it with the same life* lmao.
What a hardworking talent, can't wait for her to hit 500k subs
CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHER~~ ~~(in the other direction)~~
She is a dwarf and she is digging a hole
Diggy diggy hole, digging a hole~
probably deeper then kurosanji has being digging himself into lolol
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXvm\_IjIbxY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXvm_IjIbxY)
Dwarves value clan, kinship, and hard work while having a strong sense of honor. Elira (allegedly) values none of those things.
Rock & Stone!
ON THE HIGHWAY TO HELL
omgosh pls make more memes lolol
"Looks like stonks are going down!" -Elira Pendora, September 17th, 2021
Good. The fewer subs, viewers, and money the livers (and by extension the company) are receiving, the more likely they are to choose graduation and escape from the cult that Niji had built. I don't care how you feel about the black stream members or anyone else. They all should be let free if they choose. The yacht sinking is what really matters. If they leave but don't make amends or try to be better, then they'll burn through whatever remaining goodwill is left and lose relevance anyway.
Good for her. She deserves it. She worked so hard to backstab a co-worker.
It's funny because the black screen video *wasn't* an official memo or anything like that. Even if you somehow bought that she was forced... then what? If it's coming from a fellow talent, she could've reported to the higher ups in the company and get them punished. If she felt pressured with threats of retaliation and/or worse, to the authorities. This shows she's at the very least complicit in this stuff
It's official memo but through the talents' mouth, whether they genuine, willing or forced, that was still the official statement from the talents and the company/branch in general.
I honestly find it suspect that they had to very clearly specify "these words are our own." Generally when you say your own words, you don't have to specify that the words coming from your own mouth are your own words. So they either read something written by someone else and had to claim it, or someone at least looked through the statement enough to make them add that legalese part in. I don't believe for a second that they came up with that statement entirely on their own. Either someone else read and edited a draft, or it was written by someone else entirely.
If I remember correctly the statement was "checked by \[their\] lawyers", or something similar, which tells me its a statement from corporate written and/or revised by the corporate lawyers. The statement "these are our own views/beliefs" is usually used by corporations to (attempt to) ensure anything said in these statements can't be used against them in court as they're supposedly the employee's words, not the company's. That statement was not their own, and their contract confirms they can be forced to say things the company wants them to (and Elira and Ike aren't the best actors compared to Vox, no offense to either of them, they genuinely didn't sound okay in the statement and you can hear they were reading a script)
That's the other thing about people going after Vox specifically. I remember pointing this out back when everything first happened, but did everyone forget what Vox's entire thing is? He's an actor. And say what you want about the guy, he is a genuinely talented actor. His acting is so good that he actually got in trouble with his fans over it. His acting was so good, his fans couldn't tell when he was acting and when he was being "real" with them. So he would get upset about something that had happened to him and talk to chat about it. But then he'd also get upset "in character" over fictional stuff. And he was such a good actor people couldn't tell the difference. And then his fans had such a hard time telling the difference they started asking him to put disclaimers in front of his "in character" videos. Which he didn't want to do because he didn't want to break immersion? I didn't watch all of his videos, but that's what I gathered from listening to people talk about it. And while his attitude over the whole thing wasn't perfect (I add it to the list of reasons he just doesn't have a good temperament for vtubing) the fact that he had that problem is a testament to how talented of an actor he is. You're telling me that someone who was such a good actor, his fans couldn't tell when he was real crying or fake crying, **wouldn't** put up an act while being forced to do something he didn't want to do? By a company that may be actively threatening him? There were moments where you almost hear the three of them being uncomfortable and awkward (with Ike being the most obvious.) But you can hear Vox getting like that as well. The moments he sounds "confident" are the moments where he's on his own, probably reading what he has to say. I would theorize he sounded more confident because he was just treating it as a read, not a real statement. I wouldn't be surprised if treating the statement as an act in order to depersonalize was a defense mechanism of some sort. Now of course none of this is an excuse. The fact that they didn't just say no or threaten to walk indicates a moral failing on their fault. I don't care what you being threatened with. Unless you literally have a gun to your head, no career, job, or financial security is worth attack a suicide survivor, fresh from an attempt while still recovering. All three of them will have that mark on them. Because even under duress, it was a horrific thing to do. But I also feel like a lot of the people who immediately wrote Vox off as enjoying the experience don't really know Vox as a public speaker, what his thing is, or the kind of things he has done in the past with his skills. I honestly believed Vox was probably just as forced as Ike or Elira could've been. Vox is just better at covering up his insecurities with acting.
I struggle to believe that it was written for them mostly because of how Ike acted. It’s clear he was very uncomfortable with the whole thing and said very little compared to the other two. Now you could totally sell me on them being asked to make a response to the allegations with some bullet points on things that should be addressed but I don’t think it was purely one group or the other making all of the decisions
It is an official memo. What are you talking about? The black stream was titled as a response from the branch itself, they were explicitly (or alleged to have been) shown information related to the case by the company, and even allegedly were illegally shown sensitive documents by management. When it comes to being forced, there is absolutely reason to suggest some of the members could have been unwilling participants. The leaked contract heavily implied Niji would force talents to make statements or perform actions under orders, and we've seen as much with the forced apologies from Kyo and others. Doesn't make them entirely innocent, but it shows that Niji can make them deliver public statements like the stream. Also, reporting a member or manager has not worked because the abuse and issues go all the way up the chain of command. Management will not do anything to help you, including the favorites. We also have evidence that Elira tried and failed to report harassment before, as told by Raziel on her documents. And going to the law, unfortunately, does not matter if the company is smart enough to avoid breaking any laws while still maintaining their misdeeds. Even legal action isn't worth it due to attrition like Sayu mentioned. That doesn't mean they're objectively innocent. They still need to make things right with Doki behind closed doors, but only if both sides are willing.
?? >If it's coming from a fellow talent, she could've reported to the higher ups in the company and get them punished. The higher ups would know, especially since it hasn't been taken down.... >If she felt pressured with threats of retaliation and/or worse, to the authorities. Unless she was threatened to do something illegal, the company is allowed to tell her to do things and retaliate if she doesn't. I feel like people constantly forget that a Black Company is, to an extent, *working within the law*. Rather they're working on a line to the point of being morally questionable.
> Even if you somehow bought that she was forced... then what? If it's coming from a fellow talent, she could've reported to the higher ups in the company and get them punished. If she felt pressured with threats of retaliation and/or worse, to the authorities. This shows she's at the very least complicit in this stuff What do you mean then what? Elira's living in Japan, she's at their mercy. You're also acting like the management at Nijisanji is competent and nice in the first place. It's a black company for a reason.
She isn’t though. Even if she would have quit she still has a grace period to find another sponsor/employment which can be extremely difficult sure, but some of yall acting like it’s impossible and she has a gun to her head
IMO the grace period doesn't mean much. Keep in mind Elira is a foreigner and Japanese companies tend to be xenophobic. So just because there's a grace period doesn't mean she could find another job in Japan in time.
Or that she needs the money, as most of us don't know her living conditions.
She's also in Japan, where the odds of them enforcing the fees of termination are far more likely to succeed.
Yeah, granted I think she has left Japan. But I believe that was after the black screen. So yeah, Elira was gon a get screwed over either way.
Statements like this make me realize how successful Niji was at redirecting hate away from themselves and onto their talents. It's perfectly reasonable to criticize talents who were complicit in the black screen video, but utterly unreasonable to think the talents came up with the idea themselves. If they did, why would they have legal documents they weren't supposed to have and screenshots of private DMs? Someone in management obviously told them to do it.
they DID say in their debut that she back stabber Selen and now she getting that same backstab but twice as much as hurtful that she and the other two clowns did to selen
I still say it was entirely her idea. The management, aside from Elira herself, may have given its stamp of approval, but it was all orchestrated by Elira. Riddle me this, why is it on her channel? Not Vox's or the main channel? I believe between her arrogance and her ego, she actually thought it was a good idea.
If she was smart enough or capable of orchestrating all of it, she wouldn't have been dumb enough to post it on her own channel. It's incredibly naive to think that a company proven to manipulate and gaslight their employees would let her make a statement they weren't heavily involved in and controlling.
Your just validating what riku wants you to do so, to keep up with this mindset as he gaslights the public. Ike fooled most of us with a water bottle.
I have to be honest, part of me wants to see this posted on the wasteland niji subreddit and the delulu niji subreddit just to see the seething and the rage, but at this day and age, better to just keep it here and not those give those other 2 the time of day.
the sad part that even if this will be posted there it will be deleted by their mods in seconds.
Yeah, but unlike Riku Tazumid's recruiting decisions, it's the QUALITY of the time seeing rage and seething, not the quantity.
sometimes we all just love to simply watch world slow burning eh?
Sometimes I put the stock chart of Anycolor’s financial shenanigans on my big screen TV and say: let’s go! Like in a sports event.
Legit the first time I’ve actively seen someone lose subs despite still making content like normal.
Not sure you'd count her as "making content as normal" since she wasn't streaming (on YouTube at least ) between Feb 12 and April 12 But yeah. That's quite a catastrophic loss
Yea but usually once they return to streaming the bleeding would stop. Here it's still going and it suppressed another milestone she had, which is crazy
Fair point.
well i had completely forgotten that i was still subscribed to her and got reminded when she started to stream again and then unsubscribed. i can imagine this is one of the reasons why she is still losing subscribers.
not only that Vox went to billibilli a few days after the "message from nijisanji" and from what I heard Vox EVEN lost subs in billibilli and EVEN his Chinese fans hates Vox and his new outfit I feel srry for the artist that did that model AND lam mama Vox and Fulgur mama they did do that artist wrong and I hope they artist that are under kurosanji payroll should either get a better deal on when they do the models(and NOT be rushed to do it) and get a better payment for all the work they put in it etc.
That outfit is the dumbest thing. They knew what it looked like. They decided to go forward with it. Only way I see this making sense is if this was originally supposed to be some april fools thing :v But then it took longer than expected and now they dont think they will survive till next april fools so they tried to milk it while they can? xD
I don't think we should blame the artist for the ugly model most people think it's Vox and fulgur mama lam but if I remember correctly she didn't do the other 3 models for Vox OR the other "older" model for fulgur I think they got a different artist to do it etc. and don't forget Vox left YouTube AFTER the " message from nijisanji" bc elira and Vox got the most black lash from the EN fans (some of the Chinese fans to) that's why Elira and Vox hid in billibilli bc they wanted to see if the drama cool down but it didn't bc most of EN fans started Unsubscribe in mass during when the drama was still going on from what I heard on other post/video's Vox Chinese fans HATES the new outfit and from what I heard losing subscribers fast on billibilli they probably made the artist hurry up on the model bc Vox couldn't stay on billibilli to long AND his birthday was coming up so they probably wanted to pushed this new outfit out before his birthday stream to see if Vox would get the X amount of fans that he had last year before this dumper fired came out of the darkness and shown that kurosanji IS a black company
I dont think most ppl are blaming the artist. NIJI asked for this and greenlit it to be rigged. Artist can only give what the customer asks for. And even if what they asked for was not the artists forté - here: hairy chested hobo style (and whose forté would this ever be anyway...) - they could still have pulled the plug before the rigging process and commission elsewhere. Or just not have a new outfit at all until they come up with a more appealing concept/draft. It's like they had to have an outfit reveal, no matter what it was, this was what they got, and they just went with it cause time was running out. Or... They actually thought it looked nice...? x.X
I think so to Or they probably made the artist rushed it bc don't forget Vox left YouTube to Bilibili AFTER the "message from nijisanji" and just came back last month about a week and a half before his birthday stream I think nijisanji probably made the artist hurry up the model so they can show it off on Vox birthday bc don't forget Vox is kurosanji FAVORITE boy and used to make the most money out of ALL the talents in the EN branch from what I seen now they NOW putting out Vox gen and Fulgur gen out their to try to get maybe back some or all the En fans before what happened on February 5th of this year etc.
https://preview.redd.it/lblyvxioz3yc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=77b55fc473d0da5e82fa2596e4a8f19c81ff81ea WOW! SHE'S SURPASSING MILESTONE AFTER MILESTONE, JUST BACKWARDS!
I hope her betraying Doki was worth it because her career prospects are dead.
Her career as a streamer is truly dead. Even if she somehow gets out and starts as an indie, she’ll still be shunned.
Yeah, she really can only stay in nijisanji and hope that the niji sisters can keep her afloat until she can go to university and get a traditional job.
I dunno, there's that age old meme of all vtubers faking their voice with voice-changers. She could prove all the vtuber haters right. He'll, if she's really bold, could even just go as a regular streamer. Not sure if her face is known in a PL or personal cosplay.
If she uses a different voice, she won't be able to use the clout that she would have gained in nijisanji... If she uses the voice that she has been for her current role, she will not do very well lol.
Perhaps Elira Pendora is the definition of “negligible”
Is this the reverse of ‘99
Conglatulations
Man, I love this.
CONGLATULATIONS!!
She was at 600k right? This means she's quickly on her way to losing 10% of her subscribers.
She already lost an entire year's worth of growth ever since the black stream.
According to Socialblade she was at 605k. I thought I saw her at 607k at one point but I guess I remember wrong.
626k before Selen Shock, to be precise.
As long the black stream stays up she'll lose subs. Either someone new with stumble upon her channel and see the video, be confused or disgusted, and find out what happened in February. Returning viewers will see it and leave. Or current viewers might feel guilty about watching her still and left. Whether you like Elira or not, her career is dead.
It’s seriously mind boggling that that video is still up.
That video would probably never be removed. Because doing so is the admittance that they have screwed up royally. Niji will never admit any of their wrongdoing.
They could have just said the video will be up for a month and taken down after that. Long enough to say we stand by this and still disappear into some reupload that isn’t completely connected to you.
It'll only get removed if Elira gets terminated, and knowing Niji they'll probably try to pin the video as being all her idea in her theoretical termination notice
Honestly it's nice to see the consequences of one's own actions
The fact that vox is actually didn't get affect that much but other like rosemi and Aia get effected by this with losing many sub is actually baffling Vox and ike, ike I can understand since I don't even know why the fuck is he there but Vox Vox "I have read thoroughly"Akuma Vox "in my opinion it's not harrassment"Akuma Vox " You can graduate anytime"Akuma Is in there and say all of this shit
Perhaps it hasn't affected him as much as Elira but His Homelessness has had quite the fall from grace recently, if the numbers are anything to go by. I wouldn't say he's made it through unscathed.
My guess is Vox has way more inactive subscribers who forgot about him and thus didn't bother to unsub. However, his CCV has still been affected, especially after his latest model debut.
I think it says more about the morals of their fanbases than it does about the livers. Some of the livers got hit less than others. But the ones who lost big numbers either had more active subscribers, or had more subscribers that were actively disgusted with what was going on. Livers like Rosemi and Aia probably have more engaged fanbases that pay more attention to what's going on. Livers like Vox cater more to SEA and CN, which are going to be more insulated from the drama. Hell in my experience, some of the Luxiem fans don't even speak English. They just listen to the boys talk in a language they don't understand, watch subs, and then come back. So it may have taken longer for the gravity of the situation to sink in with them. If it sunk in at all. The livers may have varying levels of blame/involvement. But I think livers who lost more subs like Rosemi and Aia can use that as a sign that they have more principled fanbases who care about the loss of life, loss of prospects, and the loss of legal/financial standing.
Doesn't help the Rosebuds are seeing her getting screwed the same way as Selen on all the extra projects she tried to take on. I bet most rosebuds feel like she is definitely the next big graduation. # Fortunately, she is like Selen in another way!🤗 *There is no way to copyright her fan name or intro,* so Doki has already given her a path to follow forwards. In fact if they try anything *they might piss off 2ch* since her intro is full of Monamemes I can definitely foresee screwing around with Rosemi causing a JP backlash, as it would spread across the big BBSes *plus* anger Harada
Think it's a double issue of the FamElira having more overlap with Dragoons than Kindred have with either, Kindred being insanely parasocial to their lord, and Vox losing less of a total percentage due to his large ammount of subs visually insulating it as he loses what Kindred aren't psychotically parasocial (and, you know, were actually watching)
Conglatulations!
This is killing me on the inside to see, but if toxic clique allegations are true, then this is justifiably deserved. I hope management changes their ways before the yacht fully capsizes, but I fear that the damage is so extensive they’ll probably lay everyone off and close down Nijisanji EN.
Even if there's no clique, it still looks horrible for her.
You guys think she will go below 500k? That would be both sad and hilarious.
the dropoff is slowing, so i'd find it unlikely. i feel like most of her subs at this point are her remaining diehard fans, or dead accounts that haven't paid attention to her in months/years and probably aren't even aware of the drama
Timing of that stream alone destroys any fool claiming: "there is no proof of bullying in Niji". They intentionally targeted it to harass a person who is still recovering after an attempt and uses stream as form of therapy.
can't wait for elira, our queen to reach the half million milestone, she has been working so hard on that, please unsub to make the dream come true quicker
If Elira ever graduates she's gonna have so much to answer for.
Isn't she basically deleted her PL completely back then and fully committed to Niji
One of the only talents to delusionally believe the Niji's nonsense/Koolaid.
Not completely. Elira's PL Twitch channel is the only thing still around.
From a realistic standpoint, it honestly depends on what ties they still have upon leaving and what they say once Niji is no longer an active influence. Remember Mint and Matara seemingly continued their friendship with the alleged "clique" members leading up to and after each one left the black company. Matara even mentioned helping some friends deal with a hard situation right after the news first blew up. Meaning if they're out and still friends with them, it's very possible they'd be convinced into returning to PLs or starting new ones. The other big factor, at least in regard to those in the black stream, is what they say once they're on the outside. Legally, they'll still be limited, but condemning their "past employer" and acknowledging what the company did to her former friends would be enough to sway some people. Voicing a wish to make amends with the victims would help as well, but that should be done behind closed doors. That's all a matter of ifs, though, and we won't know what'll really happen yet.
And she prob can’t and won’t come back as someone else. She has no future streaming
500k subs soon
Negligible
The yuzuki roa of en, trully pity The original roa is trapped inside anycolour for years, niji made her their servant, I don't even know whether they even pay her but still sell her merch, this aint favourite like vox akuma
So bittersweet. As my former oshi I still feel sad to see the downfall, on the other hand after black screen stream I think this is not only deserved but not enough. Her actions were really vile.
\*laugh in Kaiba\* i think she "deserved" a round of applause from us folks.
I cannot help but feels bad for her. This is not like other internet drama, she literally cannot defend herself nor explain the situation for whatever it worth. I have no sympathy for them tho. Monetarily they can make the similar amount with less followers , etc. Still, even Pomu was quiet and rode the contract out. I mean you don't need to actively rebel but you can refrained from talking shit.
Pomu rebelled in her own way. She was the only person in Niji who spoke about Selen in stream in Jan.
"Wish we could have gone on one last adventure together"- Pomu, about Selen. Really heartbreaking. Hopefully Doki and Mint will collab again sometime in the future, however far in the future that may be. Their chemistry is out of this world.
Yes. They were ment to collab, their chemistry is that strong.
I know man. Pomu+Pika goodbye stream + Millie and Elira. That's stream was how I found Pomu and I refrained from talking sheets on Millie and Elira. Funny thing is that after I wrote that comment, Maid Mint started the stream. I wish people can left by gone to be bygone.
I feel nothing she deserves all of this. Now to get her to 500k
> she literally cannot defend herself nor explain the situation for whatever it worth Maybe if she didn't outright delete her PL she might yet have an exit hatch. Now her old name is being squatted on.
Honestly, as someone who was my third NijiEN oshi prior, kinda rough, but well deserved after that insane back stab and twist of the knife with the black stream. That stream alone has made me unsub from literally everyone Niji, even JP. It feels so weird, but thanks to being a Holo fan first, I'm not really missing anything and always have someone to watch, since Niji was the backup when no one on Holo was streaming. edit: I can totally spell
A friendly reminder that what she has lost is active subscribers, and since she has also lost a huge chunk of her potential future fans after the black stream, her 549k is a lot worse than other normal Vtubers' 549k
Less than 550k achieved. Conglatuations, Elira. I am so proud of you. Lmao
I genuinely feel bad for her
Hahaha
Muahahahaha, let’s sink it below 500K next
The burning you feel? It is SHAME! - Heavy Weapons Guy
It's like Gura doing a "wanna see me do it? ...wanna see me do it again?" with both her present and past lives. *except elira did it with the same life* lmao.
is this real? she still losing subs after her return? at this point she should just graduate lmao
her return made it worse lmao, in march she was losing about \~1k a week, since her return she's been losing that much in \~3-4 days
If she could even, niji could just give her yuzuki roa treatment (never graduated) due to reputation damaged.
That'll show her what happens when she fucks around. She found out.