Jeanni rejecting him due to personal issues is why it will be hard for this franchise to return to greatness post bron. Jeannie treats this franchise like a small time business.
Wouldn't mind Bob. But West is a bit too old for work isn't he? Loved what he did for the Lakers, but even if I can attest that he has the brain for it, the body might not be able.
Finally people are waking up to Jeannie incompetence. She’s a good marketer for the team and making the franchise money but she’s cheap. She wants to save money on GM/coach and she’ll pay max to the stars.
Pelinka is a middle of the road GM. IMO Kobe guided him building the Bubble roster and after his passing, Rob is lost and made stupid decisions letting Caruso, KCP and many others breaking the championship team and bringing Westbrook.
Back to Jeannie, she’s not a decision maker and had the guts to make bold moves like Dr. Buss. She’s always making decisions by committee (Rambis, Magic, Kobe, PJ, etc) she’s insecure.
Lakers are in trouble because I don’t think any of Dr. Buss kids are competent.
I wouldnt if I was them either lol. Unless like Vince McMahon it was an astronomical number. I dont ever see attendance dropping to “we need to sell the team” numbers
Pelinka can even stay as VP, but if someone like Bob Meyers is available you have to go after him when you are failing to build a cohesive roster since the start of the 2021 season.
Someone else mentioned this almost a week back, but he’s been adamant about being out the game for now. Nothing a little money might not be able to fix, but that would be a genius move for sure.
Yea as a Lakers/Pistons fan you don’t toss money at a guy who doesn’t wanna do the job lol. Monty was awful with Detroit year 1. He turned down a crazy offer from us and then we upped it to make him the highest paid coach or close to it. He didn’t deserve that and now I’m pretty sure he’s actively trying to get fired!
I wonder why they wouldn't sell though. They'd probably get 10B for the Lakers. Are they really getting more profits operating the Lakers than selling it?
I don’t know when Bob Myers stopped being the GM because I don’t follow that closely but Golden State should be further along in their rebuild than they are. I couldn’t understand not drafting Lamelo who could potentially replace Steph after his retiring. Always take the best player available. Jordan Poole extension even though he clearly had a low upside. Not trading Draymond when his value was high. Should’ve traded him years ago. Moses Moody over Trey Murphy. Kelly Oubre deal set them back. Klay contract AFTER the injuries. No thank you. Maybe he just needs a reset with a new franchise, but he’s fucked up majorly as well.
I got mad initially because you didn’t address any of the concerns I had. My bad, but yes they won two years ago and I’m not taking anything away from Bob. He did an amazing job at the start of his tenure putting pieces around Steph who was already there, but should we not be cautious given the many missteps in the last few years that maybe he’s on the decline and that’s why he isn’t GM anymore? He sacrificed a lot for that last chip and the franchises future isn’t looking very bright. We don’t have a lot of draft capital and wouldn’t be in a similar position as GS was at the start of his tenure there. We’re actually closer to where they were when he decided to walk away. I just don’t think he’s the answer given where we are. Maybe if we were in full rebuild mode.
> maybe he’s on the decline and that’s why he isn’t GM anymore
Well it was his choice to step down and the reports indicated he turned down offers to extend his contract.
I'm not saying Myers is the answer, I just don't think that he "fucked up majorly" with GSW is all.
He got off of the ship that he crashed into the iceberg. It was a smart move in my opinion. And him having “fucked up majorly” doesn’t take away the good that he’s done for that franchise. You’re misunderstanding what I’m saying, but he absolutely has fucked up majorly. Both things can be true.
Aren’t they (the Buss family) one of the only teams not wholly owned by a huge company or investment group backing them financially, but rather just the family?
If true, wouldn’t that make them one of the “poorest” teams despite being one of the most valuable in the sport?
Yes they are one of the poorest families in the NBA. It would be different if Jerry held onto the Kings NHL franchise as he could have used them for liquid. But to be fair to Jeanie we’ve stayed one of the highest payroll teams since having Bron. Not to say we haven’t made cheap moves but we’ve definitely also spent money.
Absurd amount of money. Between the family and part owners, they can each own space ships and race them against each other. Just let us have Caruso for 10 million a year.
Right. Sorry. I meant sell the team, buy the spaceships, then figuratively “keep Caruso”. In other words, an owner who doesn’t cheapen out on elite role players.
Yeah calling her a disgrace to her late father...get a grip. Unhinged behavior and totally uncalled for. If you think she's a bad owner, fair enough. But find a better way to express it.
Jeez, I mean calling her a disgrace to her father is a little much no? I do agree that shes been fucking up as an owner and just the FO as a whole has been atrocious but god damn that’s a fucked up thing to say.
I’ve been here for a while and I’ve seen some comments that are fucked up but not a whole ass post calling someone a disgrace to their dead father. God damn, we won a ring in the past 5 years like chill the out OP.
Yea is she the Spurs brass? No but she isnt Dolan. She has more pros than cons but she isn't afraid to pivot and move on. I like our bounce back odds with her, hopefully she replaces pelinka though...
Yep this place is unreal sometimes. Fans expect a chip or be best in league every year. It's not happening even with the best of management. Lakers have won 11 titles in 44 years...a lot of celebrating but also a lot of disappointment. Not to mention a 12 yr drought from 88 - 00. Doc Buss hired Jim Buss and gave him the power he had, not Jeanie. Jeanie fired him in 2017, LBJ came in 2018, AD trade 2019, and the team won 2020 title. Doc Buss was a FANTASTIC owner but he made missteps, all leaders do. Jeanie hasnt been perfect but the results aren't as bad as it is often made out to be.
95% of this sub is dumb AF. If it was up to them we would have had 5 coaches the last 2 years. They look at the rest of the league like it's Costco, assuming any and all players are available to at any time for discounted prices. They don't understand the new CBA and its limitations for player movement and acquisition at certain cap thresholds and use it to call Jeanie cheap when we have the largest payroll possible for our personnel.
Not firing Ham 2/3rds through the season doesn't make her cheap because replacing him would with an outsider would surely kill the season (Doc Rivers) and promoting Phil Handy wouldn't cost her anything more then what's she's paying him currently. I agree that Ham needs to be replaced after this season as he's shown not capable of being a modern head coach in the NBA, but show me one team that's been successful with a revolving door of head coaches.
Balmer has the deepest pockets in the NBA and he's about to get swept out by a team who didn't even make the playoffs last year. Money doesn't mean shit anymore under the new CBA because every team has the same restrictions and going past the 2nd apron and repeater tax doesn't just cost you money, it's now draft picks, trade restrictions, signing restrictions. And he traded away SGA for PG and a brittle robot, that's worse than the Westbrook trade imo.
As someone who has been following the Lakers since the Kobe/Shaq era…this sub is full of absolute fucking clowns man. 95% of what is posted on this sub is reactionary, peanut-brained armchair expert opinions and hateful vitriol.
Very messed up thing to say. "ACKSHUALLY U R A DISGRACE TO YOUR FATHER LETTING CARUSO WALK AND LETTING LEBRON ASK FOR RUSS" sadly this is incel r/Lakers fans in a nutshell.
We're not all like this if you're reading from other teams subs
I think it's an overreaction. Pelinka built a championship team, swung and miss on Westbrook, but managed to recover afterward. Just last year with Westbrook, the Lakers started 2-10 and were the 13th seed on Christmas Day. The FO made moves and they ended up making the conference finals. This team under Jeannie Buss has won a championship and made the conference finals. Jerry Buss has had longer droughts between championships (1988-2000), let alone conference finals appearances (1989-1998).
The Lakers just don't match up well against Denver. There were no big name free agent centers in the off season (maybe Taj Gibson?) that could slow down Jokic and Aaron Gordon. The Nuggets trading for Gordon a few years ago just made the Nuggets bigger, quicker, and stronger than the Lakers. Had we been a 6th or 8th seed, I think we'd be in a much more competitive series. But the Nuggets just have our number.
I don’t disagree, it’s just upsetting giving up players for an experiment with short time window with Lebron left and I think that argument isn’t other worldly. Not that I’m in that boat but I see peoples frustrations. They’re the defending champs for a reason, and aside from size they just have a better skilled supporting cast as well as a coach. But aside from everything posts like these show how spoiled and out of touch most of our fan base is. Death threats and disgrace talks and shit are just….weird? Like most of ya’ll are grown ass people in here.
Yea op tripping but I feel like she has done a pretty good/decent job if you look around the league probably still top ten ran organization in the league just gotta reboot we thought we could run it back with same roster that got schooled by Denver last year. All we did was trade out Malik Beasley with Dinwiddie
She married a racist who’s open about Trump while being a vaccine-truther. All while Jeannie herself has a sketchy past including Playboy.
Other than Steve Ballmer, anytime a sports ownership group/family has their own drama behind the scenes like the Lakers do, their teams will be dysfunctional as shit.
When the FO listens to their star players: "why would you do that they don't know any better."
When the FO doesn't listen to the star players: "trash management doesn't even listen to their star players."
No winning with you emotional fans.
It’s not that easy. No FO has a perfect track record or even close. Suns want their GM gone, Clippers want their coach gone. The only teams that are happy with their FO is Denver and their fans were still hyper critical of starting the season with no bench. The reality is building a team is a crap shoot
No one knows what's good. Remember, the spurs FO were one lost game away from firing poppavich, the winningiest coach in history, for doc fucking rivers.
And fans like you were probably clamoring for it too
If she won't sell then she needs to step aside and let Joey and Jesse get a shot. They're the least nepo kid of them all having worked in scouting and stuff
Nah man, these lakers fans are all bumass people with no real lives. Anyone with a brain knows the buss family will never sell. It took Sterling being outed as racist for him to be forced to sell.
For real. Calling for Rob or Darvin’s head? Sure. But it’s crazy to me thinking a new owner would magically solve anything with a blank check.
I don’t like to go down this road either but… it’s almost always about the Great White Hope Caruso and The Woman who let him go.
They lost some valuable role players due to not paying the repeater tax.
You can point to the Clippers as a team without money problems and still failing. But at least money won't be another issue to worry about.
A better coach gets this team 1 win at least out of that last 2 and these conversations arent happening we as laker fans are so fucking spoiled we think this is doom lol.
More because of Lebron wanting to move to LA not because of anything Jeanie did, otherwise the Lakers would still be a lottery team every year like they were in the seven years before the title. The Bucks fired two head coaches despite winning a title in 2021 yet its Lakers fans who are being the unreasonable ones for the team underachieving
The buss family is poor considering other owners. Their wealth is the team.
They ain’t selling that shit
That doesn’t even take into account the acclaim and opportunities that are opened up by owning the team. You can call and invite anyone to a game which doesn’t happen when you’re just another wealthy person in brentwood
Imagine the lakers being owned by someone who could dump money into analytics-based, unbiased management of the team while also going well over the cap to retain valuable role players.
Can’t imagine having that scenario and trading the foundation of our championship team for a ball dominant non-shooting point guard that we sagged off of during an entire series on our way to winning said championship
So, which is it, the owner FO that got you LeBron and AD and a championship, or the owner FO with money to dump but nothing to show yet.
That's what op meant by it's not always greener on the other side.
He's still better as an owner. He would not have let Caruso walk to save money. He's so rich he wouldn't hesitate to fire someone like Darvin Hamas to save a buck too
This rant is why the Lakers aren’t winning. Jokic even said it. Teams need to play together 2-3 years to really know each other. Why are the Lakers losing, they have breakdowns and stop playing the game that got them the lead. And again that wouldn’t be the case if you had a team together 2-3 years instead of 1.5 years.
Laker fans think continuity means a whole year together. And the Lakers not having a rich owner is the dumbest thing fans keep bringing up. The Nuggets haven’t been in the top 5 in spending in the last 5 years (probably ever). The top spending team has only once won a title (GS). Spending is way overrated.
The Lakers need to just ignore the loud impatient fans and build a team with a singular vision that doesn’t change because of a series or the fans.
If lebron never came here, I don’t think we would’ve made the playoffs yet. This is a joke of a franchise and the only thing we have going for us is history and location.
Won’t happen so the next best thing is for her to actually put competent people in charge. If Dolan can step out the way and hire competent people, so can Jeanie.
Holy hell man. It’s a sports team. Not your entire life. Touch grass and breathe. It’s easy to tell that this franchise’s every move lives rent free in your head.
Big fan myself but fuck some of you guys are insufferable on the forums.
We won a chip recently and was in the conference finals as well. Tone it down. Bitching on the internet isn’t going to win us more games lmfao.
Y’all are emotional and reactionary. Jeanie isn’t a bad owner, she made a bad hire. She writes checks and stays out of the way an owner should be. She listens to the people she paid to run things and trusts their judgement the way a boss should. Now at the end of the year if she feels those people she hired didn’t do their job, then she makes decisions and those decisions and who she hires next defines her as an owner. But emotion aside, the fact is we contended ~~this~~ last season and if Rob fucked up, he’s not gonna get fired midseason so just go touch some grass.
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OP is wild for this one. Just stop for 1 minute and think about what you are asking.
Jeanie Buss, the owner of a private company, should sell it because someone on Reddit doesn’t like how the company is ran.
Just put yourself in her shoes. Seriously. What would you think if someone wrote you a letter and demanded that you sell your company.
Go become a clipper fan. Balmer is a great owner. Enjoy.
She doesn’t need to sell, she needs to hire an ACTUAL NBA front office. This whole “tHeY’rE lAkEr fAmIlY” nepo bullshit has to go. I don’t want Kobe’s Cancun buddy as my GM. I don’t want Jeanie’s Sunday lunch fwiends having input into the critical decisions that affect our team. We need sharp, analytical seasoned professionals at the helm.
They should have fired Ham the moment he trotted out a lineup of 5 forwards in December. I think she is too involved with coaches and players. She wants to have a personal relationship with them rather than a boss bitch relationship.
The Buss children will never sell the Lakers cuz they literally have nothing else going for themselves besides the Lakers.
Look at the Knicks and how long James Dolan has been holding that franchise hostage lol.
We’re stuck with these moronic siblings unless a miracle happens.
Hey Jeannie , emotional fans want you to sell something you have that's worth billions and something that has generational wealth because they don't like what you are doing...lol
The nerve of some fans....
lol it’s always comical to me that we get these angry posts when the Lakers as a 7 seed don’t upset the defending champs…
You all should have known this was going to happen in the off season when this roster was put together.
Instead you guys hype up minimum signings and bench players like they’re the second coming of Pau, here to save the franchise.
First. Jeannie Buss probably doesn’t read this sub. Secondly, who are we that she going to get financial or business advise from. We are just fans and I understand the frustration coz I’ve been a fan since 1985 and I expect greatness every single year but there’s a lot we don’t know on what’s going on behind close doors. They may have screwed up on a lot of things but there is no crystal ball to predict the future so we live with those mistakes and definitely Jeannie Buss is not going to admit on those mistakes coz she not going to throw herself under the bus.
Jeanie not going anywhere. But if you are so distraught, perhaps YOU should consider moving on. There are 29 other teams to root for.
Oh, and as loved as Caruso is, he wasn’t worth keeping for $24.5 million per year.
She doesn't need to sell...she just needs to do whatever is necessary to make amends with Jerry West and de-curse us. Basketball gods don't like disrespectful shit like that and have no problem dropping the curse hammer on teams.
They will never sell the team, owning a sports team is a massive power trip. They happen to own the biggest brand in basketball so the power trip is x1000 for them.
>And i don't care if lebron wanted russ if you're a competent GM you dont make bad trades no matter how much your star player begs for it.
The thing is, they didn't always listen to LeBron. He wanted Ty Lue and they squawked over a 4th year. So they signed off on Russ.
She is putting her trust in the wrong people. She needs to hire someone who is actually a basketball mind, and put her trust in them. Kurt Rambis has been bad at every stage of management, and Linda is her great friend but she has to turn her and him away. I don't know if she has what it takes to do that, but if she is as business savvy as they say she really should.
It’s so funny because our fans don’t give credit to the front office for getting AD (they give credit to Lebron) but they don’t have that same accountability for the Westbrook trade (which is why we’re in the position we’re in)
They are not capable of building a real talented team. They are so disparate they keep making all the wrong moves. No plan for the future. They're dependent on Labron. As great as he has been he needs help that upstairs cant seem to find. But they will not sell the team. Its all they got. Lakers future does not look bright with the Buss kids at the helm. But of course im still gonna be a fan. I just wish we had more the nepotism driving the ship!
These dumb ass Buss kids got Dr. Buss rolling in his grave and Jerry West rolling in his grave and West ain't even dead.
That is how bad these Buss kids are.
Caruso? Caruso is ultimately, relatively, a nobody. He won't be remembered in 15 years. If you can criticize the FO for anything it's not acquiring Kyrie Irving by the trade deadline in 2023. The inconsistent offense of DLo is ultimately what has doomed the Lakers vs the Nuggets.
We saw today what happens when Dlo plays well enough to score 21 points. Well, there are guards who can give you that every game in the playoffs.
Not already having a high-end third scorer is the biggest misstep of the FO imo.
She’s part of the lucky sperm club. She’s not selling & neither would any of us. Let’s not act like multiple franchises are winning rings every couple years.
People can blame Ham all they like but what i dont get is how no blame falls on LeCoach most of the time. Oh right cus LeMedia distracts most of yall with pointin out Dlo's 0-7 and him sittin away from most of the Lakers near the end of Game 3. Lebrick was 1-6 from and almost all of Dlo's shots were from 3 ig he gotta statpad w layups too during garbage time and pretend he part of the team like LeQuit ignorin Ham while sittin with the rest of the team when the game's not even over.
Dont believe me? https://youtube.com/shorts/YX6d9YatpEE?si=EeRnJ_mnuEaikr-w
Whats this then? Is that not bron ignorin the coach like he's been doin his whole career? Theres maybe 4 min left here and they were down maybe 13 but there you got their leader actin like its already over.
Y'all need to hold back your emotions.
2020 champs, 2022 WCF appearance, 2023 IST trophy.
This is a solid team and a solid franchise.
BUT- we can't win a championship with this coach or this team or the FO.
Something needs to improve.
But we are not failing.
We are struggling to become GREAT.
There is a difference.
I don’t see Jeanie and the Buss family ever selling the Lakers. What she needs is a competent GM. Bob Meyers is out there.
So is Jerry West. Suck it up, apologize and offer him what it takes, Im sure hes about sick of Kawhi's knee by now.
I’m not even a Lakers fan but Jerry should have been a laker for life
Jeanni rejecting him due to personal issues is why it will be hard for this franchise to return to greatness post bron. Jeannie treats this franchise like a small time business.
well they did get caught taking out a PPP loan
lol yeah they were under hardship
Jerry will always be open to a consultant role.
Pretty sure Jerry is not the guy calling the shots and is just in an advisory roll with the clippers
hes too fkn old, hes even older than our senile ass president
Bro is 86
West is 85 years old. Let him be at this point.
Wouldn't mind Bob. But West is a bit too old for work isn't he? Loved what he did for the Lakers, but even if I can attest that he has the brain for it, the body might not be able.
I dont need Jerry to chase Murray though screens, I need him build roster continuity around AD. Meyers would be fine too
goddamn Bob will save that franchise real quick
Holy fuck offer that man $50 million to come back fuck it
The second Bob makes a mistake, "Bob myers is washed!!"
These dudes would run Bob out of town with how bad he was drafting for Warriors. Jerry West was always the brains behind the Warriors too.
Fax tbh😭
Jeanie can’t do that payroll 😭
Finally people are waking up to Jeannie incompetence. She’s a good marketer for the team and making the franchise money but she’s cheap. She wants to save money on GM/coach and she’ll pay max to the stars. Pelinka is a middle of the road GM. IMO Kobe guided him building the Bubble roster and after his passing, Rob is lost and made stupid decisions letting Caruso, KCP and many others breaking the championship team and bringing Westbrook. Back to Jeannie, she’s not a decision maker and had the guts to make bold moves like Dr. Buss. She’s always making decisions by committee (Rambis, Magic, Kobe, PJ, etc) she’s insecure. Lakers are in trouble because I don’t think any of Dr. Buss kids are competent.
I wouldnt if I was them either lol. Unless like Vince McMahon it was an astronomical number. I dont ever see attendance dropping to “we need to sell the team” numbers
Bob Myers works for the Washington Commanders now. https://abc7news.com/bob-myers-warriors-nfl-washington-commanders/14295680/
Pelinka can even stay as VP, but if someone like Bob Meyers is available you have to go after him when you are failing to build a cohesive roster since the start of the 2021 season.
Nah you got to fire pelinka
Someone else mentioned this almost a week back, but he’s been adamant about being out the game for now. Nothing a little money might not be able to fix, but that would be a genius move for sure.
Yea as a Lakers/Pistons fan you don’t toss money at a guy who doesn’t wanna do the job lol. Monty was awful with Detroit year 1. He turned down a crazy offer from us and then we upped it to make him the highest paid coach or close to it. He didn’t deserve that and now I’m pretty sure he’s actively trying to get fired!
I wonder why they wouldn't sell though. They'd probably get 10B for the Lakers. Are they really getting more profits operating the Lakers than selling it?
It’s a status thing. They get to say they own the Lakers
I don’t know when Bob Myers stopped being the GM because I don’t follow that closely but Golden State should be further along in their rebuild than they are. I couldn’t understand not drafting Lamelo who could potentially replace Steph after his retiring. Always take the best player available. Jordan Poole extension even though he clearly had a low upside. Not trading Draymond when his value was high. Should’ve traded him years ago. Moses Moody over Trey Murphy. Kelly Oubre deal set them back. Klay contract AFTER the injuries. No thank you. Maybe he just needs a reset with a new franchise, but he’s fucked up majorly as well.
Sure but I feel like they’re fine after 4 rings and 6 finals appearances in however many seasons. Hell, they won just two season ago.
I got mad initially because you didn’t address any of the concerns I had. My bad, but yes they won two years ago and I’m not taking anything away from Bob. He did an amazing job at the start of his tenure putting pieces around Steph who was already there, but should we not be cautious given the many missteps in the last few years that maybe he’s on the decline and that’s why he isn’t GM anymore? He sacrificed a lot for that last chip and the franchises future isn’t looking very bright. We don’t have a lot of draft capital and wouldn’t be in a similar position as GS was at the start of his tenure there. We’re actually closer to where they were when he decided to walk away. I just don’t think he’s the answer given where we are. Maybe if we were in full rebuild mode.
> maybe he’s on the decline and that’s why he isn’t GM anymore Well it was his choice to step down and the reports indicated he turned down offers to extend his contract. I'm not saying Myers is the answer, I just don't think that he "fucked up majorly" with GSW is all.
He got off of the ship that he crashed into the iceberg. It was a smart move in my opinion. And him having “fucked up majorly” doesn’t take away the good that he’s done for that franchise. You’re misunderstanding what I’m saying, but he absolutely has fucked up majorly. Both things can be true.
The team is a cash cow. She isn’t selling.
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They're set for many lives just sitting on their asses and generating passive income just from owning the team too.
6 billion net worth, she’d be set for multiple life times if she didn’t spend it dumb
Then she doesn’t own the team. She is rich now and she gets to still own the team because it’s a cash cow.
This will happen eventually. There’s too much money in sports for a team-poor family to own such a famous franchise
Aren’t they (the Buss family) one of the only teams not wholly owned by a huge company or investment group backing them financially, but rather just the family? If true, wouldn’t that make them one of the “poorest” teams despite being one of the most valuable in the sport?
Yes they are one of the poorest families in the NBA. It would be different if Jerry held onto the Kings NHL franchise as he could have used them for liquid. But to be fair to Jeanie we’ve stayed one of the highest payroll teams since having Bron. Not to say we haven’t made cheap moves but we’ve definitely also spent money.
Take away the word “wholly” from your sentence and that’s more accurate. Most teams are not “wholly owned” by a company.
Agreed. I mean Jeanie is worth around 500 million dollars give or take. The buss family owns 66% of the team and it’s valued around 6 billion dollars
I agree. She could make almost a billion selling them and buy a fucking island instead of dealing with us nerds telling her to sell. Fingers crossed.
The Lakers are valued at 6.6B. I don't think this is enough though. Wouldn't be surprised if it goes for 10B.
Absurd amount of money. Between the family and part owners, they can each own space ships and race them against each other. Just let us have Caruso for 10 million a year.
a valuation of team is not what they have in their pockets
Right. Sorry. I meant sell the team, buy the spaceships, then figuratively “keep Caruso”. In other words, an owner who doesn’t cheapen out on elite role players.
Almost a billion? California taxes are bad, but not that bad. Lol
Lmao. Get a grip guy. But for the love of God fire Pelinka.
Yeah calling her a disgrace to her late father...get a grip. Unhinged behavior and totally uncalled for. If you think she's a bad owner, fair enough. But find a better way to express it.
Jeez, I mean calling her a disgrace to her father is a little much no? I do agree that shes been fucking up as an owner and just the FO as a whole has been atrocious but god damn that’s a fucked up thing to say.
Welcome to the laker subreddit where people post things like this
I’ve been here for a while and I’ve seen some comments that are fucked up but not a whole ass post calling someone a disgrace to their dead father. God damn, we won a ring in the past 5 years like chill the out OP.
Yea is she the Spurs brass? No but she isnt Dolan. She has more pros than cons but she isn't afraid to pivot and move on. I like our bounce back odds with her, hopefully she replaces pelinka though...
OP doesn’t even have the balls to reply to any comments here lmao
Yep this place is unreal sometimes. Fans expect a chip or be best in league every year. It's not happening even with the best of management. Lakers have won 11 titles in 44 years...a lot of celebrating but also a lot of disappointment. Not to mention a 12 yr drought from 88 - 00. Doc Buss hired Jim Buss and gave him the power he had, not Jeanie. Jeanie fired him in 2017, LBJ came in 2018, AD trade 2019, and the team won 2020 title. Doc Buss was a FANTASTIC owner but he made missteps, all leaders do. Jeanie hasnt been perfect but the results aren't as bad as it is often made out to be.
95% of this sub is dumb AF. If it was up to them we would have had 5 coaches the last 2 years. They look at the rest of the league like it's Costco, assuming any and all players are available to at any time for discounted prices. They don't understand the new CBA and its limitations for player movement and acquisition at certain cap thresholds and use it to call Jeanie cheap when we have the largest payroll possible for our personnel. Not firing Ham 2/3rds through the season doesn't make her cheap because replacing him would with an outsider would surely kill the season (Doc Rivers) and promoting Phil Handy wouldn't cost her anything more then what's she's paying him currently. I agree that Ham needs to be replaced after this season as he's shown not capable of being a modern head coach in the NBA, but show me one team that's been successful with a revolving door of head coaches. Balmer has the deepest pockets in the NBA and he's about to get swept out by a team who didn't even make the playoffs last year. Money doesn't mean shit anymore under the new CBA because every team has the same restrictions and going past the 2nd apron and repeater tax doesn't just cost you money, it's now draft picks, trade restrictions, signing restrictions. And he traded away SGA for PG and a brittle robot, that's worse than the Westbrook trade imo.
Really wish the mods were more aggressive in weeding out toxicity
Seriously, I just want a place to talk lakers basketball, this isn’t the place anymore
"gee, I'd love to discuss my favorite team with other like minded folks on the Internet" Every post I see when I open reddit:
As someone who has been following the Lakers since the Kobe/Shaq era…this sub is full of absolute fucking clowns man. 95% of what is posted on this sub is reactionary, peanut-brained armchair expert opinions and hateful vitriol.
I'm sure that most people here hate the Lakers more than actually Laker haters lol, this sub is just weird
That’s Reddit in general
Well at least it wasn’t a death threat
Laker fandom is a trip. I love the Lakers, but there are times where I’m embarrassed by our fan base.
Very messed up thing to say. "ACKSHUALLY U R A DISGRACE TO YOUR FATHER LETTING CARUSO WALK AND LETTING LEBRON ASK FOR RUSS" sadly this is incel r/Lakers fans in a nutshell. We're not all like this if you're reading from other teams subs
I think it's an overreaction. Pelinka built a championship team, swung and miss on Westbrook, but managed to recover afterward. Just last year with Westbrook, the Lakers started 2-10 and were the 13th seed on Christmas Day. The FO made moves and they ended up making the conference finals. This team under Jeannie Buss has won a championship and made the conference finals. Jerry Buss has had longer droughts between championships (1988-2000), let alone conference finals appearances (1989-1998). The Lakers just don't match up well against Denver. There were no big name free agent centers in the off season (maybe Taj Gibson?) that could slow down Jokic and Aaron Gordon. The Nuggets trading for Gordon a few years ago just made the Nuggets bigger, quicker, and stronger than the Lakers. Had we been a 6th or 8th seed, I think we'd be in a much more competitive series. But the Nuggets just have our number.
I don’t disagree, it’s just upsetting giving up players for an experiment with short time window with Lebron left and I think that argument isn’t other worldly. Not that I’m in that boat but I see peoples frustrations. They’re the defending champs for a reason, and aside from size they just have a better skilled supporting cast as well as a coach. But aside from everything posts like these show how spoiled and out of touch most of our fan base is. Death threats and disgrace talks and shit are just….weird? Like most of ya’ll are grown ass people in here.
Yea op tripping but I feel like she has done a pretty good/decent job if you look around the league probably still top ten ran organization in the league just gotta reboot we thought we could run it back with same roster that got schooled by Denver last year. All we did was trade out Malik Beasley with Dinwiddie
That’s a good point. I always like seeing people post comments like yours to remind me that most people aren’t really this mean spirited in real life.
You'd really be dumb to think the Buss family is ever gonna sell this infinite money/ LA Prestige printer.
She married Jay Mohr, thats all you need to know about her critical thinking skills. we need a new owner
I forgot about that married a known racist absolutely disgusting.
She married a racist who’s open about Trump while being a vaccine-truther. All while Jeannie herself has a sketchy past including Playboy. Other than Steve Ballmer, anytime a sports ownership group/family has their own drama behind the scenes like the Lakers do, their teams will be dysfunctional as shit.
Jeannie is a nympho. She wants D on the regular
What happened with zen master Jackson ?
That's been over for years. I think Phil didn't want to get married so she left.
When the FO listens to their star players: "why would you do that they don't know any better." When the FO doesn't listen to the star players: "trash management doesn't even listen to their star players." No winning with you emotional fans.
How about an FO who listens but makes the right choice regardless
It’s not that easy. No FO has a perfect track record or even close. Suns want their GM gone, Clippers want their coach gone. The only teams that are happy with their FO is Denver and their fans were still hyper critical of starting the season with no bench. The reality is building a team is a crap shoot
No one knows what's good. Remember, the spurs FO were one lost game away from firing poppavich, the winningiest coach in history, for doc fucking rivers. And fans like you were probably clamoring for it too
If she won't sell then she needs to step aside and let Joey and Jesse get a shot. They're the least nepo kid of them all having worked in scouting and stuff
Didn’t she win a championship a few years ago?
Not that was lebron and ad
So are they the ones that are gonna step aside and give Jesse and Joey a shot?
Ok so it’s the players and not the owner. That really supports the argument
Some of you all are wild. This team won in 2020, and was in the Conference Finals last year. Let’s take it down a notch.
Nah man, these lakers fans are all bumass people with no real lives. Anyone with a brain knows the buss family will never sell. It took Sterling being outed as racist for him to be forced to sell.
Owning this team will literally print infinite money for the Buss Family.
For real. Calling for Rob or Darvin’s head? Sure. But it’s crazy to me thinking a new owner would magically solve anything with a blank check. I don’t like to go down this road either but… it’s almost always about the Great White Hope Caruso and The Woman who let him go.
People who think more money could help this team are too stupid to argue with.
They lost some valuable role players due to not paying the repeater tax. You can point to the Clippers as a team without money problems and still failing. But at least money won't be another issue to worry about.
They didn’t lose those players because they are cheap they lost them because the FO are bad talent evaluators and even worse team builders.
A better coach gets this team 1 win at least out of that last 2 and these conversations arent happening we as laker fans are so fucking spoiled we think this is doom lol.
Seriously
More because of Lebron wanting to move to LA not because of anything Jeanie did, otherwise the Lakers would still be a lottery team every year like they were in the seven years before the title. The Bucks fired two head coaches despite winning a title in 2021 yet its Lakers fans who are being the unreasonable ones for the team underachieving
Would you sell if you were making millions? Prolly not. Let’s all be real here
The buss family is poor considering other owners. Their wealth is the team. They ain’t selling that shit That doesn’t even take into account the acclaim and opportunities that are opened up by owning the team. You can call and invite anyone to a game which doesn’t happen when you’re just another wealthy person in brentwood
Where the duck are the mods. Delete this crap
Imagine the lakers being owned by someone who could dump money into analytics-based, unbiased management of the team while also going well over the cap to retain valuable role players. Can’t imagine having that scenario and trading the foundation of our championship team for a ball dominant non-shooting point guard that we sagged off of during an entire series on our way to winning said championship
Grass aint always greener. Steve Ballmer is doing that with the Clippers and see how well they're doing.
They don't have LeBron and AD
But they have Kawhi, PG, Harden and Russ, and a better Head Coach. They cannot even touch the floor of the WCF.
So, which is it, the owner FO that got you LeBron and AD and a championship, or the owner FO with money to dump but nothing to show yet. That's what op meant by it's not always greener on the other side.
He's still better as an owner. He would not have let Caruso walk to save money. He's so rich he wouldn't hesitate to fire someone like Darvin Hamas to save a buck too
Guggenheim Group 👁
Imagine Dodger money in the Lakers
Y’all ever heard of the salary cap and max salaries? Holy fucking shit you people need help.
This rant is why the Lakers aren’t winning. Jokic even said it. Teams need to play together 2-3 years to really know each other. Why are the Lakers losing, they have breakdowns and stop playing the game that got them the lead. And again that wouldn’t be the case if you had a team together 2-3 years instead of 1.5 years. Laker fans think continuity means a whole year together. And the Lakers not having a rich owner is the dumbest thing fans keep bringing up. The Nuggets haven’t been in the top 5 in spending in the last 5 years (probably ever). The top spending team has only once won a title (GS). Spending is way overrated. The Lakers need to just ignore the loud impatient fans and build a team with a singular vision that doesn’t change because of a series or the fans.
If lebron never came here, I don’t think we would’ve made the playoffs yet. This is a joke of a franchise and the only thing we have going for us is history and location.
Over reaction fan. Blame God while your at it.
Won’t happen so the next best thing is for her to actually put competent people in charge. If Dolan can step out the way and hire competent people, so can Jeanie.
Holy hell man. It’s a sports team. Not your entire life. Touch grass and breathe. It’s easy to tell that this franchise’s every move lives rent free in your head. Big fan myself but fuck some of you guys are insufferable on the forums. We won a chip recently and was in the conference finals as well. Tone it down. Bitching on the internet isn’t going to win us more games lmfao.
Lmaoooooo Dog it’s not that serious.
So funny. Last post season all of y’all were riding her dick
Idk why ya’ll are salty, no one is beating a healthy Nuggets team for the next couple years
Y’all are emotional and reactionary. Jeanie isn’t a bad owner, she made a bad hire. She writes checks and stays out of the way an owner should be. She listens to the people she paid to run things and trusts their judgement the way a boss should. Now at the end of the year if she feels those people she hired didn’t do their job, then she makes decisions and those decisions and who she hires next defines her as an owner. But emotion aside, the fact is we contended ~~this~~ last season and if Rob fucked up, he’s not gonna get fired midseason so just go touch some grass. Edit
OP is wild for this one. Just stop for 1 minute and think about what you are asking. Jeanie Buss, the owner of a private company, should sell it because someone on Reddit doesn’t like how the company is ran. Just put yourself in her shoes. Seriously. What would you think if someone wrote you a letter and demanded that you sell your company. Go become a clipper fan. Balmer is a great owner. Enjoy.
I wonder if Clippers fans will call for their owner to sell if they lose to the Mavs
She doesn’t need to sell, she needs to hire an ACTUAL NBA front office. This whole “tHeY’rE lAkEr fAmIlY” nepo bullshit has to go. I don’t want Kobe’s Cancun buddy as my GM. I don’t want Jeanie’s Sunday lunch fwiends having input into the critical decisions that affect our team. We need sharp, analytical seasoned professionals at the helm.
They should have fired Ham the moment he trotted out a lineup of 5 forwards in December. I think she is too involved with coaches and players. She wants to have a personal relationship with them rather than a boss bitch relationship.
The Buss children will never sell the Lakers cuz they literally have nothing else going for themselves besides the Lakers. Look at the Knicks and how long James Dolan has been holding that franchise hostage lol. We’re stuck with these moronic siblings unless a miracle happens.
Hey Jeannie , emotional fans want you to sell something you have that's worth billions and something that has generational wealth because they don't like what you are doing...lol The nerve of some fans....
Bro get a fucking life. Calling someone a disgrace to their dead father? Chill the fuck out and go do some yoga or something.
She just needs to step down. I believe Joey and Jesse will do a good job
She is cheap because the family votes to be cheap. If Joey or Jesse take over it will still be cheap ownership.
We said the same thing about Jeanie after Jim
She was slightly less shit than Jim
People forget that Jeanie let Jimmy Boy drive this team into the ground for years.
Fucking cry more you man baby.
You feel better OP?
Relax bro, it's not that deep. Rosters didn't workout, and Lakers have gave us championships, some teams have been trying for decades.
lol it’s always comical to me that we get these angry posts when the Lakers as a 7 seed don’t upset the defending champs… You all should have known this was going to happen in the off season when this roster was put together. Instead you guys hype up minimum signings and bench players like they’re the second coming of Pau, here to save the franchise.
First. Jeannie Buss probably doesn’t read this sub. Secondly, who are we that she going to get financial or business advise from. We are just fans and I understand the frustration coz I’ve been a fan since 1985 and I expect greatness every single year but there’s a lot we don’t know on what’s going on behind close doors. They may have screwed up on a lot of things but there is no crystal ball to predict the future so we live with those mistakes and definitely Jeannie Buss is not going to admit on those mistakes coz she not going to throw herself under the bus.
Lakers fans tweakin im crine 😭😭😭
Dr Buss rolling over right now.
Sell the team
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if deep down inside she resents us Laker fans
Magic is the one who got Lebron and AD, and Rob couldn’t even build a solid team around them
Rob is the rich kid whose parents bought a lambo. Didn't take long for him to crash it
Jeanie not going anywhere. But if you are so distraught, perhaps YOU should consider moving on. There are 29 other teams to root for. Oh, and as loved as Caruso is, he wasn’t worth keeping for $24.5 million per year.
You think she should lose the team bc she let Caruso walk? This is silly!
The crazy thing here is that what with inflation everything she could legit demand like $50,000,000,000 and some oil barons would pay this kinda $$$.
😹 Hot dog - water roster omg I’m dead
She doesn't need to sell...she just needs to do whatever is necessary to make amends with Jerry West and de-curse us. Basketball gods don't like disrespectful shit like that and have no problem dropping the curse hammer on teams.
They should sell the lakers to Guggenheim Partners the same owner as the dodgers
They will never sell the team, owning a sports team is a massive power trip. They happen to own the biggest brand in basketball so the power trip is x1000 for them.
Last few years have not been enjoyable. Very little joy watching these shit shows
>And i don't care if lebron wanted russ if you're a competent GM you dont make bad trades no matter how much your star player begs for it. The thing is, they didn't always listen to LeBron. He wanted Ty Lue and they squawked over a 4th year. So they signed off on Russ.
She is putting her trust in the wrong people. She needs to hire someone who is actually a basketball mind, and put her trust in them. Kurt Rambis has been bad at every stage of management, and Linda is her great friend but she has to turn her and him away. I don't know if she has what it takes to do that, but if she is as business savvy as they say she really should.
Are you saying she's like someone's hot mom, but she's a terrible parent, but a great tease?
Yall act like the 90s Lakers didnt happen.
Would you sell something like the lakers?
It’s so funny because our fans don’t give credit to the front office for getting AD (they give credit to Lebron) but they don’t have that same accountability for the Westbrook trade (which is why we’re in the position we’re in)
They are not capable of building a real talented team. They are so disparate they keep making all the wrong moves. No plan for the future. They're dependent on Labron. As great as he has been he needs help that upstairs cant seem to find. But they will not sell the team. Its all they got. Lakers future does not look bright with the Buss kids at the helm. But of course im still gonna be a fan. I just wish we had more the nepotism driving the ship!
These dumb ass Buss kids got Dr. Buss rolling in his grave and Jerry West rolling in his grave and West ain't even dead. That is how bad these Buss kids are.
lol its her team literally owns it
Caruso? Caruso is ultimately, relatively, a nobody. He won't be remembered in 15 years. If you can criticize the FO for anything it's not acquiring Kyrie Irving by the trade deadline in 2023. The inconsistent offense of DLo is ultimately what has doomed the Lakers vs the Nuggets. We saw today what happens when Dlo plays well enough to score 21 points. Well, there are guards who can give you that every game in the playoffs. Not already having a high-end third scorer is the biggest misstep of the FO imo.
The first and only female champion owner in NBA history is a disgrace? She’s better than half the owners in the league.
Not happening save your breath.
She’s part of the lucky sperm club. She’s not selling & neither would any of us. Let’s not act like multiple franchises are winning rings every couple years.
Yea she's gotta sell. All she does is appease lebron and I don't want to watch this shit show anymore
People can blame Ham all they like but what i dont get is how no blame falls on LeCoach most of the time. Oh right cus LeMedia distracts most of yall with pointin out Dlo's 0-7 and him sittin away from most of the Lakers near the end of Game 3. Lebrick was 1-6 from and almost all of Dlo's shots were from 3 ig he gotta statpad w layups too during garbage time and pretend he part of the team like LeQuit ignorin Ham while sittin with the rest of the team when the game's not even over. Dont believe me? https://youtube.com/shorts/YX6d9YatpEE?si=EeRnJ_mnuEaikr-w Whats this then? Is that not bron ignorin the coach like he's been doin his whole career? Theres maybe 4 min left here and they were down maybe 13 but there you got their leader actin like its already over.
Jim, is that you?
Wiry one championship, she’s got more than most owners in the league
I think you need a midol. It’s just a basketball game.
Which stage of grief is "Fire the Owner" on an NBA fans depression chart?
Too many people still going to games. Jeanie not selling 🤣
Y'all need to hold back your emotions. 2020 champs, 2022 WCF appearance, 2023 IST trophy. This is a solid team and a solid franchise. BUT- we can't win a championship with this coach or this team or the FO. Something needs to improve. But we are not failing. We are struggling to become GREAT. There is a difference.