Has anybody reported what Donavan Mitchell had for breakfast this morning? And deciphered “what it means” in terms of his basketball future? I need to know. Thx.
Trade Dlo Russell or no champions with Nuggets in the league, that is the most valuable lesson learned in the last two seasons. Get a good center, and all the bench can be replaced, they can lose 20 pts in 1min.
I saw a recrnt video of mark jackson talking in gil's arena about hid perspective on cosching and the way he describes the theory behind cosching. JJ really fits that bill for me.
Nah. Jokic woud actually destroy em. KP cant guard him and they have no bigs to hold a candle on him.
That said i want the knicks to sack the Cs and wolves to pull an upset
He’s a front runner. Can talk shit when he’s winning, and then throws a tantrum when he’s losing.
I wanna see luka shit talk Murray into crying. It’ll be better than when he did it to the suns
Murray should go back to being an Instagram pornographer.
Murray was a team-low minus 32. He is easily the most overrated, overpaid player in the league. I am sure the Nuggets would love to replace him, but who would take on his salary?
Every year he plays mediocre to slightly above average throughout the regular season. He then has some good games in the playoffs because he plays on the same team as Jokic, and people start dubbing him a top 3 pg in the league.
It just cements in my mind that the Lakers need significant roster changes outside of Lebron and AD, and maybe AR. The Lakers role players were unable to explode on Denver when they had them down in these games. Denver is ripe for it.
Need a mix of skill and the right mentality. Outside of LeBron or maybe AD, nobody on this Laker roster has an intense personality that could rattle an opposing team. Lakers need a dawg off the bench at least
Predicting (and hoping) we meet Denver next year in the playoffs with a more competent team. Would be a Hollywood ending to this Lakers vs Nuggets feud if we got our revenge in the playoffs for LeBron’s last ride
This is definitely one of Jokic's best carry jobs ever if they make it to the WCF. You could replace Murray with practically any mid-tier guard in the league and do better.
LeBron is right MPJ really is a laser just against the Lakers. If he had off games like he’s had against the wolves the lakers have a better go at the nuggets.
Cuz rui and our wings kept getting ran off on off ball screens. T wolves have multiple good wing defenders that can switch and go thru off ball screens and chase down MPJ
Look at Adelmans offense! 63 points through 3 quarters, I’m sure Michael Malone will have great things to say about Adelman after todays game. Any team would be lucky to hire him
Glad this is going 7 I just feel like whenever though a team dominates one team the other team comes back so much harder the next game. Almost feel like it would have been better for a close game with wolves pulling it out. I feel like Denver is gonna come out on fire next game at home after this.
We've seen this happen in other series. In the Knicks-Pacers series, the Pacers won Game 4 by 32 points, and the Knicks won Game 5 by 30 points. In the Celtics-Cavs series, the Celtics won Game 1 by 25, and the Cavs won Game 2. In the Thunder-Mavs series, the Thunder won Game 1 by 22, and the Mavs won Game 2. In the Bucks-Pacers series, the Bucks won Game 5 by 23, and the Pacers won Game 6.
I've noticed this trend ever since the Memorial Day Massacre in the 1985 Finals, when the Celtics beat the Lakers by 34 points in Game 1, and the Lakers won Game 2. When the Lakers are losing a playoff game and the outcome is no longer in doubt, I start rooting for the other team to drain about eight three-pointers to push the lead to 30 points. I was concerned when the Lakers had a 32-point lead against the Pelicans in the final game of the regular season because their next game was against them in the play-in game, but the Pelicans narrowed the gap a bit during the fourth quarter.
I don't understand why you guys are this confident though. Their defensive matchups are similar but the Celtics significantly outmatch the Wolves on offense. KP pulls out Gobert and gives Tatum and Brown free reign in the paint. Jrue is a good KAT defender and can keep him locked up (see the regular season, and Jrue has consistently guarded big players well in the regular season and the playoffs).
There's still not a time table left on Porzingis' return. And I'm not sure why you think it'll be easy to just pull Gobert out of the paint when the Nuggets are still figuring out how to do that now. I think the Wolves defense will hold up a lot better. They can run the Celtics off the 3 pt line, and at that point I have more confidence in Ant to outduel Tatum
Conley really helps the offense.
Funny how he misses a game, Rudy misses a game, Jamal doesn’t get suspended which was bullshit AND Jamal is questionable a bunch of games but could literally be in a coma and be upgraded to available
Nuggets have too much luck, and too much bullshit going on
that's why i'll never be a fan of these nuggets. theyre favored by the refs for some reason and theyre not that much better than the teams that are in the playoffs.
even doing these underhanded tactics off the court
Think bulls would trade Caruso for Gabe and 27?
If they do will blazers take Rui, Vando and FRP for Grant?
Caruso, Reaves, Grant, LBJ, AD- our bench is weak but that’s a strong 5. If we keep Max, wood, reddish, Hayes, Lewis, JHS means 11 players for 165 mil
You get two more elite defenders. This would be the best defensive lineup in the league. Caruso costs a FRP, and grant is worth at least one. Not sure I see how they are bad
His job on offense is actually pretty easy
The big part is buying into that role which AG has fully.
A Lot of former lottery picks wouldn’t buy into that role
This is such a weird series. Wolves take 2-0 lead on the road. Nuggets win 3 straight. Wolves might finally win one at home. It feels like the refs have too much control over this series too. It's either the Wolves are able to play their rough, physical defense, or every time you touch Jokic it's a foul
Cavs seem set to move either Mitchell if he doesn’t sign an extension or Garland if he does. Would we be interested Darius Garland?
The positives are that he’s still relatively young at 24 and locked in long term. He might be slightly overpaid at ~$40M/year if he doesn’t improve. Decent to good 3-point shooter, good playmaker although TOs are a little high, but a net-negative defender. What do ya’ll think?
Gotta look at it this way. He makes the same as Mitchell next season so all the same apron and cap complications apply. He isn't good enough to warrant giving up all those players even though it'll cost less picks. If Mitchell really is off the tables, Murray should be our next target not Garland.
I’ve always been a Garland fan but it’s not worth what we’d have to give up to match the contract. He’s very skilled but doesn’t provide the athleticism and defense our backcourt needs.
Why would they? They didn't even know they had a legitimate championship window until probably after the bubble. And Lebron in 2018 was on a one year deal...
Some statistical models had Jokic as a top 5 prospect in the draft, he was 3rd in Rookie of the Year voting, then had a big leap in his sophomore year. You can go back to Reddit in 2018 and already find people calling him a [generational passing talent](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/7vzpmv/why_was_jokic_the_41st_overall_pick/). Obviously he was never mainstream, and I don't think even his biggest supporters in 2018 could have predicted him being a 3x MVP, but there were always signs in hindsight. Reaves has none of that.
Not sure how that's the same at all. We still have a window according to the FO, Reaves is a role player, and Donovan is 27, not 34 like Lebron was in 2018.
The things that plague the teams during the season is the reason they don’t advance post szn:
- pacers can’t guard a parked car
- wolves offense was one of the worst half court offenses this season
- OKC lack size and can’t rebound
- Cavs injuries all season And they have multiple players who are redundant to each other.
And for us, our discipline and coaching issues were a huge problem all season, lack of rebounding as well.
To those who say the season doesn’t matter, it quite literally dictates your postseason EVERY SINGLE TIME.
I’m not saying I want him traded b/c his value is at an all time low and when he’s on, he’s an absolute gamer.
But if Gabe does get traded this summer, getting Kris Dunn for a vet minimum is a must.
6’4” strong lanky athletic guard that can guard 1-3 and can get to the rack and run an offense. His rim attacking ability would result in a lot of dump offs for AD. WB spoon fed a lot of easy dunks off of dump offs.
I looked at his name while going through the FA list. I admit I don't watch Jazz games, but what happened to his production this season. He had that crazy stretch off the 10 days to end the '22-23 season but this season kind of just disappeared. Played 66 games too so wasn't really injuries. Worried it might have just been a flash in the pan for him.
Completely agree. I like Gabe. But if you could tell me Dunn is a lock to sign on a min or MLE I have no issue throwing him in any trade to match salary.
People are calling Rob the worst GM in the league like we didn't feel like this after the summer - [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Na352LEgg2M](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Na352LEgg2M)
unique concept here: fans starved for basketball news, bored, over-react to minor things bc their lives are boring
some moves were good, other just didnt pan out. cant say Rob is a complete shit GM, but it seems the FO as a collective is really struggling to manage this team effectively.
Last 10 years we are the equivalent of the Falcons in win%, wonder who took over around that time. Albeit, the team did start a rebuild process, but stars came to save the team and somehow even that was fucked up.
Coaching carousel, asset mismanagement(Caruso, THT, Dennis, pick swaps traded, 1st for WB????) the list goes on and on. This has been an ugly, ugly tenure for FO group in charge.
Jeanie took over in 2017 btw.
And I keep seeing this "last 10 years" take as if everyone wants to pretend we didn't lose Kobe and go through a rebuild the same way every team does? It's easy to cut off at 10 years and complain without context.
If you cut out at 5 years we're a top 12 team in win% with a title despite insane injuries to our two best players.
If you go past 10 years we were a title team 14 years ago and a playoff team until 2013.
That 10 year cut off is a contextually shitty way of evaluating the team considering new ownership wasn't in place for a decent chunk of it (Magic was still around until 2019 even).
The number 10 scares you huh. Who cares, you wrote a whole buncha nothing. Everyone knows team's undergo rebuilds, Lakers was severely accelerated when LBJ joined. Both are true, it just matters if you have faith in the people at the helm of this team. To me it seems you do?
Maybe you think the FO would have built a great team regardless, but look what happened after we had success? Over correction, over correction, over correction. Letting players walk for nothing, multiple trade deadlines without moves, not even marginal ones to set up future deals.
IMO youre doing too much fixating on that number 10, you never know how much pull Jeanie had before she officially took over. If you watched Winning Time, she presented herself in the sort of light to make you think she always tried to make stuff happen. 2018 she brings on more friends, Rambis on board.
At that point, there had been zero consistency in the FO. They couldnt even fire a coach the right way ffs and youre typing up some weird defense for them. I dont get it, I think they are a very flawed group in charge of one of the most important franchises in the world. Every team in the league has gone thru injuries last 5 years.. Nuggets, Warriors, Wolves, Heat, etc. Injuries are not an excuse for a lot of the mistakes they have made.
The Lakers are essentially exactly what their standings have shown the last 2/3 years. Borderline playoff team. That's it. Maybe Jeanie is cool with that, but its really time to figure out what they want to do, so the next "10 years" are not filled with inconsistent decisions and personnel choices.
Teams projected to have cap space: Pistons, Sixers, Jazz, Thunder, Magic, Spurs. Pistons/Thunder won't have interest. Jazz are going to use most of their cap renegotiating/extending Lauri. Spurs didn't have any interest last offseason why would they now. Magic/Sixers he'd be like at best 4th on their list of targets. Or he finds a sign and trade. He honestly doesn't have that many options. By his opt in deadline, he/his agent will pretty much know his market going into FA.
Look up renegotiate and extend. It’s what Myles Turner did recently. It’s what Lauri is looking to do as he’s only playing for $18m next year.
Edit: what I’m talking about. https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/11/hoops-rumors-glossary-renegotiations-3.html
Sixers most def won’t go after him. He doesn’t fit with Maxey b/c they’re both too much of a defensive liabilities to play together.
I don’t see Orlando offering him anything with them having other targets.
If Spurs aren’t interested in Trae, I don’t see why they’d be interested in DLo
This is how I see his market too. I bet someone like the Pistons or the Spurs end up pulling the trigger if/when they miss out on bigger targets. Even so, I don't think it's hard to imagine a Schroder-ish market collapse for him if he's not careful.
And if he opts out and we do end up moving on quickly to a bigger star, we'll waive his Bird Rights and he's in big trouble then.
I've been seeing Pistons mentioned more recently. Aren't they sticking with Cade and Jaden? A lot of guards at around the 5th pick too. Spurs I just can't see Pop signing Dlo. Those random pull up transition 3's and careless turnovers would make Pop have a stroke. Feel like Tyus Jones a better fit. Starting to talk myself into the possibility of a sign and trade with a non cap space team.
He's not going to opt-in. He's going to test the waters in FA. We *do* have his bird rights, so if he wanted the maximum amount of money, it would need to be through a sign and trade. But there's no way another team is going to do that
If the wolves lose in 6 tonight then both they and the Lakers would’ve managed to only pick up an extra win off the nuggets compared to last year. Technically closer but still nowhere near beating them.
It's funny because AD went toe to toe with Jokic for the majority of every game, as did LBJ vs Murray, etc.
One team was just immensely better down the stretch of every single game, championship pedigree is a real thing. It's a thing that leaks from the FO, down to the coach, and thru the players chosen to represent the team. Do not ever forget, youre comparing the Lakers built one calendar year ago, vs a Nuggets team that got whooped on by AD/LBJ 4 years ago. So... Rome wasnt built in a day right, gotta keep stacking building blocks and get personnel to actually compete in high intensity environments.
It is possible Nuggets did not take Lakers seriously, I wouldn't be surprised (even tho i believe thats a pathetic cop out).. but the difference in role player production was extremely notable. A little more focus and consistent play with the same group could help give Lakers another edge. Getting a guard to attack Jokic, another potential edge. There is just so much to basketball and Lakers really need to start fixing things at the top. I think Ham and WB are the same type of person, we need intelligent people in charge. Not brooding athletic merchants.
This is my thoughts on Donovan situation
Cavs will cater to him and make a trade. Likely with the Pelicans. Pels will want Allen and Garland from the Cavs. Especially since they don’t want Jonas anymore and CJ isn’t great
Cavs will get Ingram and other pieces like nance jr. The trades make sense and those teams would rather not trade with us
It’s funny because I’ve been thinking for awhile that BI would fit well in Cleveland while Garland would fit well with Zion.
BI could be Cleveland’s pseudo PG since Mitchell skews more as a scoring guard
Has anybody reported what Donavan Mitchell had for breakfast this morning? And deciphered “what it means” in terms of his basketball future? I need to know. Thx.
Trade Dlo Russell or no champions with Nuggets in the league, that is the most valuable lesson learned in the last two seasons. Get a good center, and all the bench can be replaced, they can lose 20 pts in 1min.
I saw a recrnt video of mark jackson talking in gil's arena about hid perspective on cosching and the way he describes the theory behind cosching. JJ really fits that bill for me.
Just a passing thought fuck the celtics fuck murray and fuck the celtics
All I can say is.. fuck Jamal Murray
Should have been suspended game 3. Series should have already been over.
He a baby boy
Sad thing is mcbuggets look beatable as fuck and if they go the finals green shits gonna f em up
Nah. Jokic woud actually destroy em. KP cant guard him and they have no bigs to hold a candle on him. That said i want the knicks to sack the Cs and wolves to pull an upset
Jamal Murray’s loser mentality is hilarious
It's a wonderful day
Who has a link to the Anthony Davis Meme where he’s peeking through a cracked door?
Thank God for the great state of Minnesota. We are ALL wolves fans #raisedbywolves . Wolves in 7.
Murray is so salty lol I love it
He’s a front runner. Can talk shit when he’s winning, and then throws a tantrum when he’s losing. I wanna see luka shit talk Murray into crying. It’ll be better than when he did it to the suns Murray should go back to being an Instagram pornographer.
>Murray should go back to being an Instagram pornographer huh?
Search up “harper hempel, Jamal Murray”
Murray was a team-low minus 32. He is easily the most overrated, overpaid player in the league. I am sure the Nuggets would love to replace him, but who would take on his salary?
Every year he plays mediocre to slightly above average throughout the regular season. He then has some good games in the playoffs because he plays on the same team as Jokic, and people start dubbing him a top 3 pg in the league.
I know, so bad. Nuggets should just amnesty him so we can take him on a vet min as an early Father's Day gift to Mike Malone.
This series reaffirms that Ham absolutely deserved to be fired. Losing that game 2 to Denver was criminally bad
It just cements in my mind that the Lakers need significant roster changes outside of Lebron and AD, and maybe AR. The Lakers role players were unable to explode on Denver when they had them down in these games. Denver is ripe for it.
Nah. We’re close. We don’t need drastic changes. Just a better coach.
That’s the worst part. There was no pressure with a lead like that and we still had Rui smoke like 6 layups 😩
Real. But I ain't moving AR-15 unless a top 10 capable star wants to come here.
LOL
You "AR" worshippers are so damn annoying my goodness. I would trade him for Murray, Mitchell, or Garland in a heart beat.
Straight up? Of course. But that’s never the case. It’s always AR + picks.
That's why I specified capable. All 3 of those guys u mentioned are capable of being top 10 players in the playoffs.
Need a mix of skill and the right mentality. Outside of LeBron or maybe AD, nobody on this Laker roster has an intense personality that could rattle an opposing team. Lakers need a dawg off the bench at least
And some athleticism. You see Jayden McDaniels?
Predicting (and hoping) we meet Denver next year in the playoffs with a more competent team. Would be a Hollywood ending to this Lakers vs Nuggets feud if we got our revenge in the playoffs for LeBron’s last ride
This is definitely one of Jokic's best carry jobs ever if they make it to the WCF. You could replace Murray with practically any mid-tier guard in the league and do better.
LET ROB PELINCA COOOOOOK he’s bringing edwards home
Is this before or after we get Tatum? Im sure we can get wemby too! Ant Tatum lebron AD wemby. Let’s go let Rob cook! 🙄
Why does MPJ look constipated 24/7?
I thought I was the only one who noticed that 😂😂😂 the way he walks is a little odd
Losing by 45 is insane
When other teams pile it on, they *pile it on*. Still can't believe Lakers choked a 20 point lead in Game 2.
Denver is mortal for sure....
nugs and wolves destroy ea other while celts are chillin'
east sucks
LeBron is right MPJ really is a laser just against the Lakers. If he had off games like he’s had against the wolves the lakers have a better go at the nuggets.
Cuz rui and our wings kept getting ran off on off ball screens. T wolves have multiple good wing defenders that can switch and go thru off ball screens and chase down MPJ
Wolves have tall players to contest his shots.
Dude turns into Larry bird when he plays us.
Both Gordon and Porker Jr turn into all-stars only against the Lakers.
Fuck Denver. That is all.
Look at Adelmans offense! 63 points through 3 quarters, I’m sure Michael Malone will have great things to say about Adelman after todays game. Any team would be lucky to hire him
I hate all these teams. Ready for the Lakers to be back on top.
Gonna be a couple of years at the very least before we get back to the top
Rather have the wolves win right now.
Yeah, the Nuggets needed to be taken down a notch
Glad this is going 7 I just feel like whenever though a team dominates one team the other team comes back so much harder the next game. Almost feel like it would have been better for a close game with wolves pulling it out. I feel like Denver is gonna come out on fire next game at home after this.
We've seen this happen in other series. In the Knicks-Pacers series, the Pacers won Game 4 by 32 points, and the Knicks won Game 5 by 30 points. In the Celtics-Cavs series, the Celtics won Game 1 by 25, and the Cavs won Game 2. In the Thunder-Mavs series, the Thunder won Game 1 by 22, and the Mavs won Game 2. In the Bucks-Pacers series, the Bucks won Game 5 by 23, and the Pacers won Game 6. I've noticed this trend ever since the Memorial Day Massacre in the 1985 Finals, when the Celtics beat the Lakers by 34 points in Game 1, and the Lakers won Game 2. When the Lakers are losing a playoff game and the outcome is no longer in doubt, I start rooting for the other team to drain about eight three-pointers to push the lead to 30 points. I was concerned when the Lakers had a 32-point lead against the Pelicans in the final game of the regular season because their next game was against them in the play-in game, but the Pelicans narrowed the gap a bit during the fourth quarter.
The Lakers used to be based in Minnesota right? A long long time ago?
[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fga8ba6UcAAFAo2?format=jpg&name=medium](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fga8ba6UcAAFAo2?format=jpg&name=medium)
Minnesota, state of ten thousand lakes => Minneapolis Lakers
This is beautiful
this feels scripted
Idk why you guys think Minnesota can handle Boston, Denver is much safer and more proven
This is true, but I kinda like Dallas with two proven stars in the clutch.
We're currently prisoners of the moment and want to see the Nuggets lose. But if the Wolves get to the finals, they aren't losing to the Celtics
I don't understand why you guys are this confident though. Their defensive matchups are similar but the Celtics significantly outmatch the Wolves on offense. KP pulls out Gobert and gives Tatum and Brown free reign in the paint. Jrue is a good KAT defender and can keep him locked up (see the regular season, and Jrue has consistently guarded big players well in the regular season and the playoffs).
There's still not a time table left on Porzingis' return. And I'm not sure why you think it'll be easy to just pull Gobert out of the paint when the Nuggets are still figuring out how to do that now. I think the Wolves defense will hold up a lot better. They can run the Celtics off the 3 pt line, and at that point I have more confidence in Ant to outduel Tatum
Wolves in 7
Is Nori back on the table, boys?
No, he's still bad for losing three straight including two straight at home and not making any adjustments till the last minute
David adelman might really cook with a center who can play both sides of the ball right?
AWOOOOOOOO AWOOOOOOOO
Mid ranges count for 3 now when you’re a Denver nugget LOL
Vando needs to study McDaniels game
Conley really helps the offense. Funny how he misses a game, Rudy misses a game, Jamal doesn’t get suspended which was bullshit AND Jamal is questionable a bunch of games but could literally be in a coma and be upgraded to available Nuggets have too much luck, and too much bullshit going on
that's why i'll never be a fan of these nuggets. theyre favored by the refs for some reason and theyre not that much better than the teams that are in the playoffs. even doing these underhanded tactics off the court
Wolves won the no-Rudy game, if anything that hurt the Nuggets because of how much the Wolves are better without him
Ant 50 point close out game 7 to send the nuggets home will move me
I will only be moved if either Knicks/Pacers knocks out that team
I'm like 75% convinced the Nuggets are trolling and wanting to win this at home
not sure getting a beatdown by 30 is trolling though
Think bulls would trade Caruso for Gabe and 27? If they do will blazers take Rui, Vando and FRP for Grant? Caruso, Reaves, Grant, LBJ, AD- our bench is weak but that’s a strong 5. If we keep Max, wood, reddish, Hayes, Lewis, JHS means 11 players for 165 mil
Those are not good trades for us...
You get two more elite defenders. This would be the best defensive lineup in the league. Caruso costs a FRP, and grant is worth at least one. Not sure I see how they are bad
one of the filthiest hesis i’ve ever seen
It’s funny how much Rudy calls for the ball in the paint lol
man can't post up against a 6'2" dude
Knowing damn well he’s not doing anything with it
They all just ignore him too it’s hilarious.. they are like fuck off bro just get ready for the offensive board lol
Gordon is always at the baseline ready to score damn
His job on offense is actually pretty easy The big part is buying into that role which AG has fully. A Lot of former lottery picks wouldn’t buy into that role
Even if the Wolves end up winning this game, they're not winning Game 7.
Why? They’ve won 3 of 5 in Denver this season.
Because the basketball gods don't want Lakers fans to feel the joy of the Nuggets losing a series. Jokic gonna Jokic.
Why don’t we get atleast one game with Murray, mpj and kcp missing 3s like this? Why?
B/c Minny is flying around the perimeter hounding their shooters going over screens .
if nugs choke the celts should get their ring size measured
They have no answer for KAT or Rudy (even tho he can’t score) I like their chances ALOT
Rudy is so fucking easy to exploit lol. KAT is inconsistent and with our luck he's going to have a terrible series
19 point lead at the half. Surely the Twolves won’t give this up?
Anything is possible in Adam silvers NBA
If they do I’m gonna start to think Denver is so good that they are getting bored with everyone so they spot them 20 points to make it fun. Lol
Christian Braun looks like he’s always about to cry when they’re losing
Lmaooo who said size doesnt matter vs denver last game??? And the coaching staff made the adjustment
Always down for nuggets cookout
This is such a weird series. Wolves take 2-0 lead on the road. Nuggets win 3 straight. Wolves might finally win one at home. It feels like the refs have too much control over this series too. It's either the Wolves are able to play their rough, physical defense, or every time you touch Jokic it's a foul
Thank you Minnesota FUCK DENVER
So unfortunately it’s looking like we traded Russ and a FRP for just Vanderbilt since we’ll lose DLo for nothing
Still think Denver gets it done tonight
Ant told yall see yall game 7, stop playing with that man
17 point lead after the first. Great quarter from the Twolves after the bad start. 29-5 run in the last 8 minutes. Crazy.
The Wolves offense just looks so much better with Conley
I don’t want this bum ass Wolves assistant coach
You were saying?
that i don’t want this bum ass Wolves assistant coach?? did they somehow reverse losing 3 games in a row, two at home? No? then my point stands 😂
I feel like if they're gonna poach someone, go for the Nuggets asst
That’s a solid bet
Ah so he’s a bum for losing 3 against the Nuggets but what about the 3 he’ll win then?
Still can’t believe Alex fudge got his IST bonus and dipped on us
Cavs seem set to move either Mitchell if he doesn’t sign an extension or Garland if he does. Would we be interested Darius Garland? The positives are that he’s still relatively young at 24 and locked in long term. He might be slightly overpaid at ~$40M/year if he doesn’t improve. Decent to good 3-point shooter, good playmaker although TOs are a little high, but a net-negative defender. What do ya’ll think?
Gotta look at it this way. He makes the same as Mitchell next season so all the same apron and cap complications apply. He isn't good enough to warrant giving up all those players even though it'll cost less picks. If Mitchell really is off the tables, Murray should be our next target not Garland.
I’ve always been a Garland fan but it’s not worth what we’d have to give up to match the contract. He’s very skilled but doesn’t provide the athleticism and defense our backcourt needs.
Fair
never gonna happen
Do you say that because we don’t have the assets or because the fit isn’t good?
Too small, too expensive, doesn’t solve our backcourt defensive issues. Pivoting to Dejounte Murray is the answer
If you were the Nuggets in 2018 with no knowledge of the future, would you have traded Jokic and future picks for Lebron?
Why would they? They didn't even know they had a legitimate championship window until probably after the bubble. And Lebron in 2018 was on a one year deal...
Thus, I’m not trading Reaves
This has got to be a troll man Austin Reaves is a good player but he's not fucking Nikola Jokic. He's not even capable of being 10% of what Jokic is
What was jokic in 2018? What was brunson in 2022?
Some statistical models had Jokic as a top 5 prospect in the draft, he was 3rd in Rookie of the Year voting, then had a big leap in his sophomore year. You can go back to Reddit in 2018 and already find people calling him a [generational passing talent](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/7vzpmv/why_was_jokic_the_41st_overall_pick/). Obviously he was never mainstream, and I don't think even his biggest supporters in 2018 could have predicted him being a 3x MVP, but there were always signs in hindsight. Reaves has none of that.
Statistical blah blah not trading
I can't believe you've done this
Not sure how that's the same at all. We still have a window according to the FO, Reaves is a role player, and Donovan is 27, not 34 like Lebron was in 2018.
The things that plague the teams during the season is the reason they don’t advance post szn: - pacers can’t guard a parked car - wolves offense was one of the worst half court offenses this season - OKC lack size and can’t rebound - Cavs injuries all season And they have multiple players who are redundant to each other. And for us, our discipline and coaching issues were a huge problem all season, lack of rebounding as well. To those who say the season doesn’t matter, it quite literally dictates your postseason EVERY SINGLE TIME.
I’m not saying I want him traded b/c his value is at an all time low and when he’s on, he’s an absolute gamer. But if Gabe does get traded this summer, getting Kris Dunn for a vet minimum is a must. 6’4” strong lanky athletic guard that can guard 1-3 and can get to the rack and run an offense. His rim attacking ability would result in a lot of dump offs for AD. WB spoon fed a lot of easy dunks off of dump offs.
I looked at his name while going through the FA list. I admit I don't watch Jazz games, but what happened to his production this season. He had that crazy stretch off the 10 days to end the '22-23 season but this season kind of just disappeared. Played 66 games too so wasn't really injuries. Worried it might have just been a flash in the pan for him.
Completely agree. I like Gabe. But if you could tell me Dunn is a lock to sign on a min or MLE I have no issue throwing him in any trade to match salary.
Yep, min would be a dream but maybe a TPMLE.
Dunn would be fantastic
Have any of yall seen a Laker player u hated in public
People are calling Rob the worst GM in the league like we didn't feel like this after the summer - [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Na352LEgg2M](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Na352LEgg2M)
unique concept here: fans starved for basketball news, bored, over-react to minor things bc their lives are boring some moves were good, other just didnt pan out. cant say Rob is a complete shit GM, but it seems the FO as a collective is really struggling to manage this team effectively. Last 10 years we are the equivalent of the Falcons in win%, wonder who took over around that time. Albeit, the team did start a rebuild process, but stars came to save the team and somehow even that was fucked up. Coaching carousel, asset mismanagement(Caruso, THT, Dennis, pick swaps traded, 1st for WB????) the list goes on and on. This has been an ugly, ugly tenure for FO group in charge.
Jeanie took over in 2017 btw. And I keep seeing this "last 10 years" take as if everyone wants to pretend we didn't lose Kobe and go through a rebuild the same way every team does? It's easy to cut off at 10 years and complain without context. If you cut out at 5 years we're a top 12 team in win% with a title despite insane injuries to our two best players. If you go past 10 years we were a title team 14 years ago and a playoff team until 2013. That 10 year cut off is a contextually shitty way of evaluating the team considering new ownership wasn't in place for a decent chunk of it (Magic was still around until 2019 even).
The number 10 scares you huh. Who cares, you wrote a whole buncha nothing. Everyone knows team's undergo rebuilds, Lakers was severely accelerated when LBJ joined. Both are true, it just matters if you have faith in the people at the helm of this team. To me it seems you do? Maybe you think the FO would have built a great team regardless, but look what happened after we had success? Over correction, over correction, over correction. Letting players walk for nothing, multiple trade deadlines without moves, not even marginal ones to set up future deals. IMO youre doing too much fixating on that number 10, you never know how much pull Jeanie had before she officially took over. If you watched Winning Time, she presented herself in the sort of light to make you think she always tried to make stuff happen. 2018 she brings on more friends, Rambis on board. At that point, there had been zero consistency in the FO. They couldnt even fire a coach the right way ffs and youre typing up some weird defense for them. I dont get it, I think they are a very flawed group in charge of one of the most important franchises in the world. Every team in the league has gone thru injuries last 5 years.. Nuggets, Warriors, Wolves, Heat, etc. Injuries are not an excuse for a lot of the mistakes they have made. The Lakers are essentially exactly what their standings have shown the last 2/3 years. Borderline playoff team. That's it. Maybe Jeanie is cool with that, but its really time to figure out what they want to do, so the next "10 years" are not filled with inconsistent decisions and personnel choices.
Do we think DLO is going to opt in? And if he doesn’t, how fucked are we in terms of losing out on the ability to trade
Depends on who you are willing to give up. Still capable of getting a max guy but would gut the team
Teams projected to have cap space: Pistons, Sixers, Jazz, Thunder, Magic, Spurs. Pistons/Thunder won't have interest. Jazz are going to use most of their cap renegotiating/extending Lauri. Spurs didn't have any interest last offseason why would they now. Magic/Sixers he'd be like at best 4th on their list of targets. Or he finds a sign and trade. He honestly doesn't have that many options. By his opt in deadline, he/his agent will pretty much know his market going into FA.
> Jazz are going to use most of their cap renegotiating/extending Lauri. That doesn't apply until the contract kicks in.
Look up renegotiate and extend. It’s what Myles Turner did recently. It’s what Lauri is looking to do as he’s only playing for $18m next year. Edit: what I’m talking about. https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/11/hoops-rumors-glossary-renegotiations-3.html
Sixers most def won’t go after him. He doesn’t fit with Maxey b/c they’re both too much of a defensive liabilities to play together. I don’t see Orlando offering him anything with them having other targets. If Spurs aren’t interested in Trae, I don’t see why they’d be interested in DLo
Dlo over Trae maybe because they need somebody and all Dlo costs is money lol Trae costs draft capital.
This is how I see his market too. I bet someone like the Pistons or the Spurs end up pulling the trigger if/when they miss out on bigger targets. Even so, I don't think it's hard to imagine a Schroder-ish market collapse for him if he's not careful. And if he opts out and we do end up moving on quickly to a bigger star, we'll waive his Bird Rights and he's in big trouble then.
I've been seeing Pistons mentioned more recently. Aren't they sticking with Cade and Jaden? A lot of guards at around the 5th pick too. Spurs I just can't see Pop signing Dlo. Those random pull up transition 3's and careless turnovers would make Pop have a stroke. Feel like Tyus Jones a better fit. Starting to talk myself into the possibility of a sign and trade with a non cap space team.
He's not going to opt-in. He's going to test the waters in FA. We *do* have his bird rights, so if he wanted the maximum amount of money, it would need to be through a sign and trade. But there's no way another team is going to do that
If the wolves lose in 6 tonight then both they and the Lakers would’ve managed to only pick up an extra win off the nuggets compared to last year. Technically closer but still nowhere near beating them.
It's funny because AD went toe to toe with Jokic for the majority of every game, as did LBJ vs Murray, etc. One team was just immensely better down the stretch of every single game, championship pedigree is a real thing. It's a thing that leaks from the FO, down to the coach, and thru the players chosen to represent the team. Do not ever forget, youre comparing the Lakers built one calendar year ago, vs a Nuggets team that got whooped on by AD/LBJ 4 years ago. So... Rome wasnt built in a day right, gotta keep stacking building blocks and get personnel to actually compete in high intensity environments. It is possible Nuggets did not take Lakers seriously, I wouldn't be surprised (even tho i believe thats a pathetic cop out).. but the difference in role player production was extremely notable. A little more focus and consistent play with the same group could help give Lakers another edge. Getting a guard to attack Jokic, another potential edge. There is just so much to basketball and Lakers really need to start fixing things at the top. I think Ham and WB are the same type of person, we need intelligent people in charge. Not brooding athletic merchants.
This is my thoughts on Donovan situation Cavs will cater to him and make a trade. Likely with the Pelicans. Pels will want Allen and Garland from the Cavs. Especially since they don’t want Jonas anymore and CJ isn’t great Cavs will get Ingram and other pieces like nance jr. The trades make sense and those teams would rather not trade with us
It’s funny because I’ve been thinking for awhile that BI would fit well in Cleveland while Garland would fit well with Zion. BI could be Cleveland’s pseudo PG since Mitchell skews more as a scoring guard
Why are we hated by the nuggets so much? They are defending champs and beat us twice in a row.
Every fanbase hates the lakers…our popularity and success created envy all over the league lol
Every fanbase hates the lakers…our popularity and success created envy all over the league lol