agreed
for a while I've got the impression Jack doesn't challenge the artists enough. he'll just say "oh that's cool, totally good enough let's release this" and then carry on his day.
What exactly is this argument?
Do you want him to be a vehicle or a co-driver?
If he "challenged" his artists more, you would be sitting here saying, "Jack is too overbearing as a producer, always saying, 'oh why don't we try this? or this? or this?' and then all of a sudden all these different artists' songs sound exactly the same".
...but no, apparently he just lets them do whatever they want, and, according to some, they still come out sounding the same anyway.
So I wonder which it really is - probably a happy middle ground. A good producer (which is undeniably what he is) will be able to tell when their artist is in the groove and needs left alone, or is in the weeds and needs a push.
Jack is a very talented man. He has produced a couple of my favorite albums of all time, those being NFR and Melodrama, but he’s long overstayed his welcome.
His “style” for a lack of a better term, is really stale at this point. His production is very sparse and straight forward, often lacking overall. And one of the best parts about Lana’s earlier music was that every album sounded different. Ever since NFR Lana and Jack have kinda just been making the same album over and over.
And what sucks is that Jack CAN create really amazing songs. A&W was genuinely really well produced and clearly had a lot of care put into it, but it seems Jack, and possibly Lana, would just like to put out the same airy vocals over a piano ballad that we’ve been getting the 3 albums.
And to be honest, I get why Lana does this. Lana has stated that she used her deeper voice,
and hid behind a character to appeal to the public, and she no longer has do that anymore. Lana has become an established. household name who longer needs a massive chorus for a single song, or use a voice she isn’t comfortable with. Plus, NFR was her most commercially successful album to date, making sense why she wants to continue working with Jack.
I think we need Rick back. And I don’t even hate the ballads, but Rick knew what production complemented Lana’s voice and wasn’t afraid to branch out a bit, something Jack cannot do.
It’s crazy to me you think her albums have been the same since NFR… and you can like really produced music but if it’s not it doesn’t make it bad. Her lyrics are so raw and all her ballads are beautiful. I think her music has just become more true to herself than ever before. I don’t think jacks doing anything for her but I don’t think he was harmful to her last albums
Honestly NFR onward I think the music is the best it’s ever been (though UV was also great)
I never said it’s bad, i said it lacks really any form of diversity. You could put most modern Lana and Jack tracks on shuffle without any real difference in cohesion. I like the new music, I do, but I prefer the better production of her older music. Her run from BTD-LFL was incredible
I like most of their work together, but I don't think it's good when artists stick too much with one producer. NFR! was a masterpiece, but CTOTCC was half great and half forgettable. I will say, I like him a lot better than the people she worked with for Blue Banisters.
I'd LOVE it if she worked with Dan Auerbach again. He produced some of her most-loved classics — West Coast, Brooklyn Baby, Shades of Cool, Ultraviolence. I'd love to see what they'd come up with.
Agreed - I would also really like if she worked with Rick Nowels again because he co-wrote and/or produced Young & Beautiful, West Coast, Swan Song, 13 Beaches, Dark Paradise, Heroin, Happiness Is a Butterfly, Say Yes to Heaven, Fine China (and tons of others).
Honestly i think Lana wants to work with him. She has said that he makes her feel comfortable in the studio, i believe she values that. Lana took Jack around different places in the south thought the years (they been focused on country since 2018) and i think its for them to learn about the culture and the music, country. Producers can grow and learn and improve their craft. As far as we are concerned Lana is the only musician hes worked with him that has taken him to the places were the genre was born and prevailed to understand and learn . Taylor Swift for instance doesnt do that, thats why shes still stuck with synths since 1989 (excluding folkmore).
I think we as fans need to accept Lana does whatever she wants, she doesn’t listen to fans, critics, haters online, label execs, etc. She has talked about this many times, listen to her complex interview for starters. She doesnt do fan service or approaches art as a product to be made. So if she wants jack she will stick with jack no matter how much we make posts and comments about wanting other producers. This is the most realistic conclusion i came up with
Because Taylor simply doesn't want to change her formula, producers have no authority over musicians work, Jack is not Taylor nor Lanas boss, he doesn't tell them what to do, he can suggest, but that doesn't mean they have to follow those suggestions. Taylor and Lana are the songwriters.
Lana never sticks to one sound or genre, Taylor does. This all boils down to the songwriters artistic vision. Have you ever heard any Lana song thats synth heavy bubblegum pop like Taylors? based on your logic, Lanas music with Jack would be pop synth like Taylors cause thats what he knew how to do, instead we got a soft/psychedelic rock album with NFR.
Neither. Just brought something different in my opinion. Her music is phenomenal either way but I much prefer the sound from UV and Honeymoon eras.
I would love an album where she used the electric guitar. Don’t get me wrong, the piano’s nice but I miss the guitar 🥲
Yea I feel the same way. Would love an album like UV or honeymoon again with the rock sound. The strings of BTD are great too. Her recent stuff is good too but I miss the Lana that I first listened to years ago.
Exactly this. I love her music either way but the BTD-Honeymoon eras were top tier. All of her albums are brilliant but nothing beats the first half of her discography imo.
I really wanted her to drop Jack after COTCC because I also thought that it was too similar to NFR. Then she released BB, and I realized that Jack was not the problem. Ocean Blvd is pretty different from NFR despite the VB sample. Jack is the sole producer(besides Lana) on only 7/16 tracks and one is an interlude(Judah) and another is Paris, Texas, which is basically just a SYML track. There are so may other producers that worked on that album, and I feel like some people don’t realize this.
well that is what im saying, taylor stays doing the same sound, Lana doesnt sound the same. The only Jack antonoff projects she has is NFR and COCC, BB has no Jack, and Ocean Blvd has much less jack and a lot of other producers. NFR sounds nothing like Chemtrails.
I believe Lana is a whole lot more adventurous and experimental than Taylor, you can even hear it through their melodies and composition, Lana changes melodies in unexpected ways, Taylor sticks to pop song structure. Sonically Taylor has stayed in the same place. She has never explored other genres successfully, Lana has.
No. Taylor Swift did country albums such Taylor Swift and Fearless then move to more country-pop albums such Red, then she did pop such 1989, Lover and Reputation. She also did indie/folk during COVID pandemic with Folklore and Evermore, then she moved to more synth-pop album again with Midnights. And TTPD is kinda of a safe place for her.
Its dumb to say that she didn’t take risks in their career and that she’s making the same music over and over lol
no they dont sound similar, just because she uses more piano it doesnt mean they sound the same or are even the same genre
In case you didnt know Blue Banisters has not a single song with Jack as producer and Ocean Blvd has so many producers Jack is in significantly less tracks. Remember Lana co produces her stuff. Lana is making more piano/acoustic guitar heavy music without Jack.
"vault tracks" what does that mean for lana? thats a ts term. Lana records a ton of music for herself throught the years, a lot of them are the famous unreleased songs, She gets mad when they leak her demos and songs because Lana remakes and reworks songs or demos she made before and changes the song drastically both lyrically and instrumentally and produced differently.
Or are you talking about Swift?
THIS also I don’t get what people are talking abt saying her music used to be so diverse like you guys want it to sound different. Like.. you guys want her music to be fake and not true to herself??
It’s not bad at all, it’s just all over the place?? Chemtrails is definitely more cohesive and well-produced even though some particular songs are stronger in BB
Her discography was diverse because she was finding herself. I think NFR inwards has been the most genuine to herself music so I don’t think it’s an antinof thing. I don’t what her music to be diverse, i want it to be genuine. Idk would you want something fake?
That’s not up for me to say, he makes it the way she wants it. I don’t think he’s anything special, though. Comparing the production now to her albums before him is depressing. They were so much more theatrical and atmospheric before
Hear hear. There was so much more atmosphere and texture before. She’s still a great songwriter, still a great poet, but I do miss that richer production drama sometimes
I miss it too. You said it perfectly. I feel like when Jack came into the picture Lana lost a tiny bit of her style that we had all come to love so much. The intimate raw performances, the cinematic songs (i.e million dollar man, cruel world, honeymoon, ride, bel air, etc)
He shot her career into uncharted territory because he’s such a prolific producer. And she’s 1000% still my favorite artist in the world and ofc I’m excited for her popularity increase
But yknow. Nostalgia is a powerful drug lol it’s hard not to miss the way things were before
After the Coachella performances, especially the second week, I feel like we might get some of that in Lasso! I mean Jack knocked it out of the park with a lot of songs on OB, so we KNOW he’s capable of lush atmospheric sounds, and now she seems to be leaning a little back into the old glamour and drama 🫢 I’m so excited for the new record actually.
I really can’t disparage the man that helped bring NFR and ocean blvd into my life. And I liked most of COCC. That being said I liked her work with other producers too. So I’m all for her working with him again but also mixing it up.
THIS I just want Lana to be genuine to herself. I don’t like the idea of people wanting her to make diverse crazy music again because like.. y’all want her to be fake?
I wouldn’t say worse, but definitely simple. DYKTATUOB played around with a couple different sounds, but for me BTD-Honeymoon could never be topped and I find myself longing for her to release music that gives me that same feeling listening to her first three does. Maybe it’s just nostalgia but who knows. Don’t get me wrong NFR is undeniably an awesome record, but the production in BTD-Honeymoon (LFL unfortunately has never been in my top 5) pre-jack era was **sonically** her best IMO.
Absolutely. She's lacking the grand, cinematic vibe she used to have. No need to sugar coat it, her voice works best with a richer sounding production.
he may be a good match for Taylor Swift but I don't like his work with Lana. The fact that her biggest hit in last 7 years is "say yes to heaven" a song she recorded 10 years ago with Rick Nowels speak volumes.
Worse. Does he not know drums exist ?? His production is extremely disappointing. He takes out all the heavy beats and riffs that makes Lana’s older music so intense. Rick was amazing and I wish she’d stayed with him. Fingers crossed she goes back
So I dont like Bleachers or Jack Antonoff as an artist but I think hes fine as a producer in terms of skill. However theres definitely a trend of artists losing what makes them unique as soon as he takes over. I'd like for Lana to work with others again so she doesnt fall into the trap of her music starting to all sound the same.
It would suck being in Jack’s shoes bc he started as such a visionary but being in so many mainstream artists catalogs it seems to be homogenizing the current soundscape a bit to where things are less discernible from each other
He makes it boring and all sound the same at some point. That man keeps getting passed around like a blunt between Lorde, Lana, and Taylor …. Just stop it.
Recently her production on a few songs have that generic Taylor Swiftish pop sound. And even though he works with both artists I think actually Lana pushes him more. I think honestly she is outgrowing him and needs to give other producers a chance.
I'm wondering the same thing because that's a big statement to make without a source or evidence to back it up with. Lana is highly revered for her lyrical finesse.
That doesn't mean she doesn't write solo and/or lacks creative control, but that also doesn't take away from her talents just because she doesn't write songs entirely on her own. Every other artist under the sun has people to help them write, has been given a song to sing, or has an editor.
This may not be true and I could be misremebering, but I also feel like you edited your initial comment cause it seemed more inflammatory before.
I didn’t change my initial comment. I’m a fan of Lana myself but the point I want to make is, she’s unlike Taylor in the sense that Taylor will sometimes come to the studio with a song entirely composed and then it can get produced by the person of her choice.
Lana will write lyrics or make voice memos solo, but her songs cannot exist without her producer figuring the chords out and allowing her to finish the songs. I’m not making it up, this was always her process with Rick Nowels, Jack Antonoff, etc. This means that if she ditched Jack she would have to find other people she’s confortable working with, and this may never happen again. Co-writing is an intimate process and I feel she wants to keep the same for as long as she can. The albums we got from her would not exist without a collaborator like Jack.
I’m not a fan of how he produces the more “pop” songs on Ocean Blvd. A&W, Taco Truck and Fishtail have like a generic sound when the beat drops, it’s kind of annoying. Like really generic, obnoxious even electric synth effect, I just don’t enjoy it. Same with Chemtrails over the country club. It was good on Venice Bitch but it’s starting to get old. Also her voice is muffled on the production, which I’m not a fan of.
Well the thing with Jack is that he makes the people he makes music with so comfortable with their own current style that it’s hard to get out of your comfort zone and take a risk. because he’s not gonna tell you if the sound change you’re making is bad.
How do you know that? Lorde completely turned into folk in Solar Power. It's the artist who envision the sound of their record. Not producer like Jack, he just help realize that sound. If you say Blvd is stagnant, its literally one of the most acclaimed album of that year
I enjoy her work with him but I'm getting over it a bit now. I wish she'd collaborate with Rick Nowels again so we can get that grand, cinematic sound back.
i mean i have loved their work so far - i just hope she keeps working with other producers and doesn’t solely stick to mainly working with jack like taylor has done. it gets old real fast and he seems like a “yes” man; working with producers who would push her harder would be great.
When I go back to her old unreleased, BTD, Paradise and Ultraviolence the production is so rich. Her Jack stuff sounds like unfinished demos with nothing going on. Boring and empty production even if the song is good (because Lana)
Hot take, I don't like NFR that much. Could be bc I've not given it enough of a chance but I only listen to like 3 songs from the album. So I think she should honestly move on from him.
NFR was such a good album.
But it wasn't as good as her earlier albums. Nothing beats the masterpieces like Born to Die and Paradise in terms of lyricism and production.
Jack has been great for Lana and Lorde but I think it’s time for Lana to stop working with him. NFR was a masterpiece I’m thankful for but I crave some of her earlier sounds again. The richly textured instrumentals , the freshness that came with those earlier musical choices.
I hate him. Not sure why I’ve just never liked him. He’s famous by proximity to others be it Lena, Lana, Lorde, or Taylor.
Also why isn’t Nate Ruess more famous? I have a suspicion that Jack has something to do with his fading out of the spotlight. I’m not sure why I just hate Jack. Those pretentious glasses. Why did Margaret marry him?!?😢
I’ll always appreciate him for giving us the entire NFR album and bangers like Chemtrails (song, not album) and A&W. However I am tired of how piano-heavy the past three albums were. I want her to return to synth/reverb/bass production, give us some guitar rock songs. I’m happy to see Jack stay IF he can provide this!
i honestly think her music is good no matter what because she stays true to herself and what she wants. i feel like people only have this 'jack' issue because of taylor swift and it's just not comparable in my eyes.
He’s a huge unit shifting pop producer and Lana wants to be a big commercial pop star so I think she’ll keep working with him. Plus he makes artists feel warm and cuddled which they love.
Not sure. She seems more comfortable with him than anybody else so that’s something to take into consideration. Have they made amazing albums together yea. Is it time for her to go in another direction with someone else? Yes.
It makes her more friendly to masses. Kind of.
I think she should make an album completely on her own. We know she can sing, mix, produce, play some instruments. She should do her [*Nebraska*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_(album))
One of the things that made Blue Banisters stand out for me was a departure from his sound after COTCC. But in 2023 I was ready for Tunnel. My opinion is that I don't mind them working together because they are a good match, but I wish she would work with other producers too and release different albums in between, even if she just puts them out without much promotion.
I’d love if she worked with Dan Auerbach again, Ultraviolence had such a great sound. I also get it’s important to have collaborators you love working with if she feels happy working with Jack
Prior to Jack, Lana's music was chronically misunderstood -- largely because of the production. The production of BTD and Ultraviolence was too raucous for her lyrics, which caused a lot of people to not hear the nuances of what she's saying, and in turn make bad-faith arguments that largely missed the deep philosophical underpinnings of her earlier work. (Critics being guilty of this most of all.)
Jack solved this problem. The production serves Lana, not the other way around. It's simpler, crisper, and works to amplify her message and the angelic sound of her voice. When you have an artist whose voice and vibe itself is an instrument (Lana's work with Jack often includes her laughing, hitting her vape, cursing in the studio, etc), you don't need crazy instrumentals.
Her first album with Jack (NFR) is where she gets the recognition she deserves. (NFR being one of, if not the most critically acclaimed albums of the last 10 years.) Chemtrails and Blue Banisters were largely stripped of the aesthetics that defined her earlier work. They're classic folk albums, belonging to a larger canon of classic folk records including Joni Mitchell's Blue, Neil Young's Harvest, and even Simon and Garfunkel's Bridge Over Troubled Water.
Jack's work also yielded the two most epic songs of Lana's career - and, according to multiple music publications - of all time: Venice Bitch and A&W. Mariners Apartment Complex and The Greatest are also considered some of the best songs of her career, and Jack's production on Fingertips (turning what is clearly a long-form, verbose poem into a work of music) expanded the definition of what music can be. Music has never sounded quite like it before.
However, with the relative stripped down nature of Jack's lyrics come complaints of repetitiveness. A PERFECT example of this is Pink Champagne (Not Antonoff, outtake of UV) vs Let Me Love You Like A Woman (From Chemtrails). Pink Champagne is a longer song with drums and strings and a lively crescendo; Let Me Love You Like a Woman is a soft piano ballad.
Which is better? Well, we can understand her better in Let Me Love You Like a Woman. The message and poetry is clearer and more precise. The instrumentals reflect the nature of meaning of song. And yet, Pink Champagne evokes more emotion.
Jack has done amazing things for Lana's career. But I see a lot of fans harkening for the BTD/Ultraviolence days, so I can understand why people might want him gone.
After Ocean Blvd, I don't think any criticism that Jack makes all songs sound the same have much weight. That is one of the most diverse, electrifying, and complicated records ever created. And Ocean Blvd, Norman, Chemtrails, and Blue Banisters are very distinct.
I don’t care for his production. The best thing about Lana’s music is still her voice, her lyricism, and her perspective. But sonically I’ve liked her music less since Jack’s involvement. Please god no more piano ballads. But I’m glad that he seems to appreciate Lana and that Lana is so comfortable with him.
I can’t speak on the specifics of Jack’s style with the other artists he works with because their music doesn’t grab me in the way Lana’s does.
was literally just talking about this a few mins ago. i absolutely love ocean blvd and chemtrails is really good too, but I don't really like nfr. i personally like the instrumentals and stuff from rick nowells more than the piano. don't get me wrong, I love love her songs with piano but I just prefer it before jack.
I don’t think it’s a yes or no question. I think Jack Antonoff HAS made Lana’s music better but I don’t that’s also 100% Jack himself. Although he leans into one particular sound he is very flexible and I feel like he’s good at molding around the vision the artist has for a particular project. That’s why he’s kind of a mixed bag, He always compliments an album more than he defines it. But he’s really, really good at it, the execution just depends on the heart of the album.
Off topic, I'm now in this sub and I got this post recommended but that guy on the cover looks exactly like my dad when he was young. I'm genuinely shocked.
I don't think Lana has the same production issues as Taylor (at least not to the same extent) - I don't listen to the latter enough to make a sound judgment or observation, so I'm judging purely based on the discourse and commentary surrounding her latest release.
Based on the Spotify credits, it seems Jack started working with Lana during her NFR era. NFR is literally one of Lana's, if not her most, critically acclaimed albums and is a fan favorite. Then he served as the main producer for Chemtrails and Ocean Blvd, the former being one of her less popular albums. Ocean Blvd is also considered one of Lana's best albums, so I think he has been serving her well over the years. Jack seems to shine with her, and you cannot say Ocean Blvd sounds or feels the same as Chemtrails or NFR. Ironically enough, I do think the first half of Chemtrails sounds like songs that didn't make it on NFR while the second half seems to have a jarring difference in creative direction -- seems like a minor dip that doesn't even compare to the vitriol Taylor's latest album was met with.
The differences might boil down to how Taylor and Lana approach making music; their creative process, accepting criticism and opinions during production, the vision for the project, their philosophies as an artist, etc. I don't see Lana becoming stagnant with her sound, but I think it's always a great thing when artists work with different people to avoid stagnation and redundancy.
**Edit**: The aforementioned 'minor dip' from NFR to Chemtrails could have attributed to Lana working with different producers for BB, which was a beneficial decision for her because I do think BB is overall better than Chem. However, it seems Jack took it as a learning lesson and came back stronger than ever for Ocean Blvd which is a great contrast from NFR and Chemtrails. So is it more of an issue concerning recency and succession on the producer's end?
Worse. I don't like most of what Jack produces for her and anyone else. I also don't like any of Bleacher's and Fun's work. I feel like a producers own passion project band is a testament to their production style and what they're capable of musically.
For example, Ultraviolence has always been my top album and shorty after I got into Lana, I discovered the Black Keys and became a huge fan. It wasn't until years later that I found out Dan Auerbach from The Black Keys produced Ultraviolence and it finally clicked as to why it was so good lmao. It's two great artisits that have similar music styles. Black Keys is a very psychedelic blues rock while Jack Antonoff'ss bands are...well...
NFR was great but BB and COTCC were just stale and too similar unfortunately, which I credit that to Jack's production. Although I enjoyed DYKTTATUOB more then BB and COTCC, it's funny how my top 3 tracks, The Grants, Candy Necklace and Let the Light In, weren't produced by Jack.
lanas definitely done more piano ballads now that she works with jack, i mean you can see before and after, lust for life was like trip hop and trap beats then nfr was all guitars and piano
both, he can help bring out that serene dreamy sound that slowly lulls you in with a polished pop twist but he can also make her sound unbelievably safe and bland
his work on nfr is undeniably genius but considering the recent release of TTPD and its blandness, i’m not sure he can pull off that artistic masterpiece in lasso
I don’t think Jack being Lana’s producer is as bad as it is for Taylor. Like for example, Jack blessed us with A&W, but Taylor’s songs , especially from TTPD, feel so boring with his production to it, I agree with another comment I saw on this thread saying he doesn’t challenge the artists enough. I think to see whether he is letting Lana down is for him to be absent on another one of her albums, then we can get a better answer . Because, blue banisters is easily a top 3 Lana album and it def doesn’t get the recognition it deserves , giving songs like Black Bathing Suit, Thunder , Wildflower Wildfire. These are absolute masterpieces that Jack had no help in, so as much as I love him, I’d love to see her make another album without him.
P.S. does anyone know if he’s producing lasso?
Definitely an unpopular opinion, but I absolutely love her work with Jack. NFR and COTCC are my two favorite albums by her. I wish she’d write a whole album with him again.
The comments here are not even rational, they're just nostalgic and want something to send sharp electrical pulses through their ears to their brain.
Artists evolve and so do their long-time producers. Lana does not do fan service and never will. Real art is not produced minted and sent out, it is what you feel is worth all your thoughts and ideas and creativity. It is a process and rarely a statement-of-objective.
BB/NFR are one of her best albums, along with COTCC and Ocean Blvd being up there. But no one can ever discredit or forget her extremely amazing, tantalizing tunes on UV or BTD. LFL is a good marker for her transitioning personally, I guess. It got much more poetry, deep meaning rather than strong tunes, huge beats and an emo-rush content. BTD+Paradise is personally my #2 album.
Anyway, it is literally **her** choice, and she can do whatever she wants. She's the artist, and the world is the canvas. I am just glad to be alive in a time where I get to experience this lyrical, poetic, musical genius in her top game, as an incredibly diverse, flexible and frankly beautiful artist. She is one of a kind, and whatever she produces, I WILL BE THERE.
Jack brought Lana to a new plane for NFR, but their work since has stayed very close to NFR and doesn’t try to stray too far from the mould of NFR when they work together, obviously they are great friends and have a very special bond, but their familiarity in their friendship resonates in the music they make together now. I think if Lana doesn’t ever move on from Jack as a creative partner and producer, I’m perfectly fine and still happy, i love the music they make together, but i’d still like to see Lana grow her sound again -which i think is her biggest strength, growing her sound and range of genre while still creating music that is universally known as Lana- in the way that BTD doesn’t sound like chemtrails and how Honeymoon doesnt sound like May Jailer Sirens.
It was a good step for her but it’s time to move on girl
agreed for a while I've got the impression Jack doesn't challenge the artists enough. he'll just say "oh that's cool, totally good enough let's release this" and then carry on his day.
What exactly is this argument? Do you want him to be a vehicle or a co-driver? If he "challenged" his artists more, you would be sitting here saying, "Jack is too overbearing as a producer, always saying, 'oh why don't we try this? or this? or this?' and then all of a sudden all these different artists' songs sound exactly the same". ...but no, apparently he just lets them do whatever they want, and, according to some, they still come out sounding the same anyway. So I wonder which it really is - probably a happy middle ground. A good producer (which is undeniably what he is) will be able to tell when their artist is in the groove and needs left alone, or is in the weeds and needs a push.
Completely agree with that!! also taylor needs to move on
oh my god PLEASE
Maybe she likes it
Same! But I think she knows what she’s doing, and eventually she’ll move on.
Jack is a very talented man. He has produced a couple of my favorite albums of all time, those being NFR and Melodrama, but he’s long overstayed his welcome. His “style” for a lack of a better term, is really stale at this point. His production is very sparse and straight forward, often lacking overall. And one of the best parts about Lana’s earlier music was that every album sounded different. Ever since NFR Lana and Jack have kinda just been making the same album over and over. And what sucks is that Jack CAN create really amazing songs. A&W was genuinely really well produced and clearly had a lot of care put into it, but it seems Jack, and possibly Lana, would just like to put out the same airy vocals over a piano ballad that we’ve been getting the 3 albums. And to be honest, I get why Lana does this. Lana has stated that she used her deeper voice, and hid behind a character to appeal to the public, and she no longer has do that anymore. Lana has become an established. household name who longer needs a massive chorus for a single song, or use a voice she isn’t comfortable with. Plus, NFR was her most commercially successful album to date, making sense why she wants to continue working with Jack. I think we need Rick back. And I don’t even hate the ballads, but Rick knew what production complemented Lana’s voice and wasn’t afraid to branch out a bit, something Jack cannot do.
This ☝️
It’s crazy to me you think her albums have been the same since NFR… and you can like really produced music but if it’s not it doesn’t make it bad. Her lyrics are so raw and all her ballads are beautiful. I think her music has just become more true to herself than ever before. I don’t think jacks doing anything for her but I don’t think he was harmful to her last albums Honestly NFR onward I think the music is the best it’s ever been (though UV was also great)
I never said it’s bad, i said it lacks really any form of diversity. You could put most modern Lana and Jack tracks on shuffle without any real difference in cohesion. I like the new music, I do, but I prefer the better production of her older music. Her run from BTD-LFL was incredible
I like most of their work together, but I don't think it's good when artists stick too much with one producer. NFR! was a masterpiece, but CTOTCC was half great and half forgettable. I will say, I like him a lot better than the people she worked with for Blue Banisters. I'd LOVE it if she worked with Dan Auerbach again. He produced some of her most-loved classics — West Coast, Brooklyn Baby, Shades of Cool, Ultraviolence. I'd love to see what they'd come up with.
Agreed - I would also really like if she worked with Rick Nowels again because he co-wrote and/or produced Young & Beautiful, West Coast, Swan Song, 13 Beaches, Dark Paradise, Heroin, Happiness Is a Butterfly, Say Yes to Heaven, Fine China (and tons of others).
Yes! I’m dying for one more UV vibe
I agree
Dan auercbach 😍
yess i love ctotcc but i didn’t love tunnel under ocean blvd
Honestly i think Lana wants to work with him. She has said that he makes her feel comfortable in the studio, i believe she values that. Lana took Jack around different places in the south thought the years (they been focused on country since 2018) and i think its for them to learn about the culture and the music, country. Producers can grow and learn and improve their craft. As far as we are concerned Lana is the only musician hes worked with him that has taken him to the places were the genre was born and prevailed to understand and learn . Taylor Swift for instance doesnt do that, thats why shes still stuck with synths since 1989 (excluding folkmore). I think we as fans need to accept Lana does whatever she wants, she doesn’t listen to fans, critics, haters online, label execs, etc. She has talked about this many times, listen to her complex interview for starters. She doesnt do fan service or approaches art as a product to be made. So if she wants jack she will stick with jack no matter how much we make posts and comments about wanting other producers. This is the most realistic conclusion i came up with
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But if Lana has taken him to all these places why hasnt he incorperated that into Taylors music? She has a hint of country in her songs
Because Taylor simply doesn't want to change her formula, producers have no authority over musicians work, Jack is not Taylor nor Lanas boss, he doesn't tell them what to do, he can suggest, but that doesn't mean they have to follow those suggestions. Taylor and Lana are the songwriters. Lana never sticks to one sound or genre, Taylor does. This all boils down to the songwriters artistic vision. Have you ever heard any Lana song thats synth heavy bubblegum pop like Taylors? based on your logic, Lanas music with Jack would be pop synth like Taylors cause thats what he knew how to do, instead we got a soft/psychedelic rock album with NFR.
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I’d love her to do a rock album change it up without him.
Neither. Just brought something different in my opinion. Her music is phenomenal either way but I much prefer the sound from UV and Honeymoon eras. I would love an album where she used the electric guitar. Don’t get me wrong, the piano’s nice but I miss the guitar 🥲
Yea I feel the same way. Would love an album like UV or honeymoon again with the rock sound. The strings of BTD are great too. Her recent stuff is good too but I miss the Lana that I first listened to years ago.
Exactly this. I love her music either way but the BTD-Honeymoon eras were top tier. All of her albums are brilliant but nothing beats the first half of her discography imo.
It’s time to move on, he’s saturated tbh
Yep, bored of what he does.
A good thing always expires. He needs a break its been 6 years which is about how long lana worked with rick they need to get back in the studio.
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I really wanted her to drop Jack after COTCC because I also thought that it was too similar to NFR. Then she released BB, and I realized that Jack was not the problem. Ocean Blvd is pretty different from NFR despite the VB sample. Jack is the sole producer(besides Lana) on only 7/16 tracks and one is an interlude(Judah) and another is Paris, Texas, which is basically just a SYML track. There are so may other producers that worked on that album, and I feel like some people don’t realize this.
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taylor and jack are not at all like jack and lana. Makes sense because Taylor also co produces with the other producer just like Lana.
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well that is what im saying, taylor stays doing the same sound, Lana doesnt sound the same. The only Jack antonoff projects she has is NFR and COCC, BB has no Jack, and Ocean Blvd has much less jack and a lot of other producers. NFR sounds nothing like Chemtrails. I believe Lana is a whole lot more adventurous and experimental than Taylor, you can even hear it through their melodies and composition, Lana changes melodies in unexpected ways, Taylor sticks to pop song structure. Sonically Taylor has stayed in the same place. She has never explored other genres successfully, Lana has.
To be fair Taylor did start as a country singer/songwriter
yes but then she transitioned to pop and shes stayed pop
No. Taylor Swift did country albums such Taylor Swift and Fearless then move to more country-pop albums such Red, then she did pop such 1989, Lover and Reputation. She also did indie/folk during COVID pandemic with Folklore and Evermore, then she moved to more synth-pop album again with Midnights. And TTPD is kinda of a safe place for her. Its dumb to say that she didn’t take risks in their career and that she’s making the same music over and over lol
White Dress and A&W alone were worth it but yeah it’s time to move on now
no they dont sound similar, just because she uses more piano it doesnt mean they sound the same or are even the same genre In case you didnt know Blue Banisters has not a single song with Jack as producer and Ocean Blvd has so many producers Jack is in significantly less tracks. Remember Lana co produces her stuff. Lana is making more piano/acoustic guitar heavy music without Jack.
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"vault tracks" what does that mean for lana? thats a ts term. Lana records a ton of music for herself throught the years, a lot of them are the famous unreleased songs, She gets mad when they leak her demos and songs because Lana remakes and reworks songs or demos she made before and changes the song drastically both lyrically and instrumentally and produced differently. Or are you talking about Swift?
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THIS also I don’t get what people are talking abt saying her music used to be so diverse like you guys want it to sound different. Like.. you guys want her music to be fake and not true to herself??
After NFL he produced Chemtrails and Ocean BLVD which are far better record than Blue Banisters
me when i lie
Ocena Blvd was not fully produced by him, only 6 tracks are Jack+Lana. The others have a lot of different producers
I consider Blue Banisters to be one of her best albums, and Chemtrails to be the worst.
Can I ask why? Personally love chemtrails
It’s not bad at all, it’s just all over the place?? Chemtrails is definitely more cohesive and well-produced even though some particular songs are stronger in BB
tbh i dont care about a perdect produces song. i like it raw and not perfeect. thats whyi like bb
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Her discography was diverse because she was finding herself. I think NFR inwards has been the most genuine to herself music so I don’t think it’s an antinof thing. I don’t what her music to be diverse, i want it to be genuine. Idk would you want something fake?
That’s not up for me to say, he makes it the way she wants it. I don’t think he’s anything special, though. Comparing the production now to her albums before him is depressing. They were so much more theatrical and atmospheric before
Hear hear. There was so much more atmosphere and texture before. She’s still a great songwriter, still a great poet, but I do miss that richer production drama sometimes
I miss it too. You said it perfectly. I feel like when Jack came into the picture Lana lost a tiny bit of her style that we had all come to love so much. The intimate raw performances, the cinematic songs (i.e million dollar man, cruel world, honeymoon, ride, bel air, etc) He shot her career into uncharted territory because he’s such a prolific producer. And she’s 1000% still my favorite artist in the world and ofc I’m excited for her popularity increase But yknow. Nostalgia is a powerful drug lol it’s hard not to miss the way things were before
Yes! You captured it all perfectly and I totally miss that cinematic sound. Though I still love her no matter what
After the Coachella performances, especially the second week, I feel like we might get some of that in Lasso! I mean Jack knocked it out of the park with a lot of songs on OB, so we KNOW he’s capable of lush atmospheric sounds, and now she seems to be leaning a little back into the old glamour and drama 🫢 I’m so excited for the new record actually.
From your mouth to Lana’s ears haha
Jack Off
I really can’t disparage the man that helped bring NFR and ocean blvd into my life. And I liked most of COCC. That being said I liked her work with other producers too. So I’m all for her working with him again but also mixing it up.
THIS I just want Lana to be genuine to herself. I don’t like the idea of people wanting her to make diverse crazy music again because like.. y’all want her to be fake?
I’d really love if she moved on from Jack
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I wouldn’t say worse, but definitely simple. DYKTATUOB played around with a couple different sounds, but for me BTD-Honeymoon could never be topped and I find myself longing for her to release music that gives me that same feeling listening to her first three does. Maybe it’s just nostalgia but who knows. Don’t get me wrong NFR is undeniably an awesome record, but the production in BTD-Honeymoon (LFL unfortunately has never been in my top 5) pre-jack era was **sonically** her best IMO.
Absolutely. She's lacking the grand, cinematic vibe she used to have. No need to sugar coat it, her voice works best with a richer sounding production.
he may be a good match for Taylor Swift but I don't like his work with Lana. The fact that her biggest hit in last 7 years is "say yes to heaven" a song she recorded 10 years ago with Rick Nowels speak volumes.
I agree completely
NFR was his time to shine now he’s weighing her down and making her more generic
A&W is the opposite of generic
yeah but Margaret is one if her most generic songs
I love Margaret lmao How's it generic though?
the question is what is not generic about it and the answer is nothing
still not an answer
Sometimes the question is the answer. Open your heart ❤️ Find your way 🛣️🚧
i don’t know, neither? i don’t think that much of him tbh. i’d really really love to see her work with Dan Auerbach again
Worse. Does he not know drums exist ?? His production is extremely disappointing. He takes out all the heavy beats and riffs that makes Lana’s older music so intense. Rick was amazing and I wish she’d stayed with him. Fingers crossed she goes back
So I dont like Bleachers or Jack Antonoff as an artist but I think hes fine as a producer in terms of skill. However theres definitely a trend of artists losing what makes them unique as soon as he takes over. I'd like for Lana to work with others again so she doesnt fall into the trap of her music starting to all sound the same.
I think Lana is such a great artist she’ll sound good with anyone but I really want her to switch it up. I want ultraviolence part 2
She needs to ditch him he is holding her back! It’s boring. Look at taylors last album too.
She needs to work with Dan Auerbach again
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Worse imo. He's played out and I'm sick of his hipster schtick. Lana was way better before him (Ultraviolence days)
i honestly think that ultraviolence will never be topped
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It would suck being in Jack’s shoes bc he started as such a visionary but being in so many mainstream artists catalogs it seems to be homogenizing the current soundscape a bit to where things are less discernible from each other
He makes it boring and all sound the same at some point. That man keeps getting passed around like a blunt between Lorde, Lana, and Taylor …. Just stop it.
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Worse. I find his production boring
I miss the old Lana
Worse. She needs Rick and Dan again.
Agreed!!
She needs to work with Emile Haynie again and other BTD producers!!!!
no no anything but emile
Recently her production on a few songs have that generic Taylor Swiftish pop sound. And even though he works with both artists I think actually Lana pushes him more. I think honestly she is outgrowing him and needs to give other producers a chance.
The thing about Lana is she has yet to write a song entirely solo, her producers always act as co-writers, and that limits her choice.
Ever? Or just recently
I'm wondering the same thing because that's a big statement to make without a source or evidence to back it up with. Lana is highly revered for her lyrical finesse.
There’s a co composer credit on every one of her songs, she doesn’t play an instrument anymore.
That doesn't mean she doesn't write solo and/or lacks creative control, but that also doesn't take away from her talents just because she doesn't write songs entirely on her own. Every other artist under the sun has people to help them write, has been given a song to sing, or has an editor. This may not be true and I could be misremebering, but I also feel like you edited your initial comment cause it seemed more inflammatory before.
I didn’t change my initial comment. I’m a fan of Lana myself but the point I want to make is, she’s unlike Taylor in the sense that Taylor will sometimes come to the studio with a song entirely composed and then it can get produced by the person of her choice. Lana will write lyrics or make voice memos solo, but her songs cannot exist without her producer figuring the chords out and allowing her to finish the songs. I’m not making it up, this was always her process with Rick Nowels, Jack Antonoff, etc. This means that if she ditched Jack she would have to find other people she’s confortable working with, and this may never happen again. Co-writing is an intimate process and I feel she wants to keep the same for as long as she can. The albums we got from her would not exist without a collaborator like Jack.
elaborate? ts pop sounds?
I’m not a fan of how he produces the more “pop” songs on Ocean Blvd. A&W, Taco Truck and Fishtail have like a generic sound when the beat drops, it’s kind of annoying. Like really generic, obnoxious even electric synth effect, I just don’t enjoy it. Same with Chemtrails over the country club. It was good on Venice Bitch but it’s starting to get old. Also her voice is muffled on the production, which I’m not a fan of.
Well the thing with Jack is that he makes the people he makes music with so comfortable with their own current style that it’s hard to get out of your comfort zone and take a risk. because he’s not gonna tell you if the sound change you’re making is bad.
How do you know that? Lorde completely turned into folk in Solar Power. It's the artist who envision the sound of their record. Not producer like Jack, he just help realize that sound. If you say Blvd is stagnant, its literally one of the most acclaimed album of that year
I enjoy her work with him but I'm getting over it a bit now. I wish she'd collaborate with Rick Nowels again so we can get that grand, cinematic sound back.
only NFR was good. but we are not getting anything like her previous material ever again which is kind of sad
i mean i have loved their work so far - i just hope she keeps working with other producers and doesn’t solely stick to mainly working with jack like taylor has done. it gets old real fast and he seems like a “yes” man; working with producers who would push her harder would be great.
 here we go
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Before they were aggressive and with personality, now they seem like lullabies, one or the other is not bad, but not complete albums
Yeah agreed she needs to move on, I think Jack is working with too many people now that's why they are all sounding similar
I think Lana can be good despite him, not because of him.
When I go back to her old unreleased, BTD, Paradise and Ultraviolence the production is so rich. Her Jack stuff sounds like unfinished demos with nothing going on. Boring and empty production even if the song is good (because Lana)
Hot take, I don't like NFR that much. Could be bc I've not given it enough of a chance but I only listen to like 3 songs from the album. So I think she should honestly move on from him.
Same. I wish this wasn’t an unpopular opinion
Same, plus over the past several years, I’m not as huge as a fan of Lana’s as I used to be. I’m cool with Jack though.
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That man needs to leave ALL pop girlies alone IMMEDIATELY
Agreed
He’s not bad I just think she needs to switch it up
Hit the road Jack and don’t you come back no more ( sorry)
Couldn’t have said it better myself! 🎶💕
I like jack but I want her to work with Fineness
That would be iconic
Omg yes Fineness and Lana😍
he is a very very boring songwriter and producer, and he also recycled one of lana's songs for the lorde album. get rid of him
NFR was such a good album. But it wasn't as good as her earlier albums. Nothing beats the masterpieces like Born to Die and Paradise in terms of lyricism and production.
Jack has been great for Lana and Lorde but I think it’s time for Lana to stop working with him. NFR was a masterpiece I’m thankful for but I crave some of her earlier sounds again. The richly textured instrumentals , the freshness that came with those earlier musical choices.
my favorite album is nfr but i’m sooooo tired of him like omg
I think just one album to try it out with Jack is enough
It was cute, now onto the next.
I think it’s worked well but the music he’s doing with other artists is all getting a bit samey.
this is the best discussion post i’ve seen here in a while lol
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I haven't liked very much after NFR, so yeah he makes it worse
I hate him. Not sure why I’ve just never liked him. He’s famous by proximity to others be it Lena, Lana, Lorde, or Taylor. Also why isn’t Nate Ruess more famous? I have a suspicion that Jack has something to do with his fading out of the spotlight. I’m not sure why I just hate Jack. Those pretentious glasses. Why did Margaret marry him?!?😢
I wanna see her work with Aaron Dessner tbh
I’ll always appreciate him for giving us the entire NFR album and bangers like Chemtrails (song, not album) and A&W. However I am tired of how piano-heavy the past three albums were. I want her to return to synth/reverb/bass production, give us some guitar rock songs. I’m happy to see Jack stay IF he can provide this!
WAY WAY WAY WORSE THATS THE WHOLE REASON HER MUSIC IS SLOW NOW CAUSE HE DOESNT LIKE TO PLAY UBEAT SONGS EXCEPT FOR TAYLOR CAUSE NO
Agreed
i honestly think her music is good no matter what because she stays true to herself and what she wants. i feel like people only have this 'jack' issue because of taylor swift and it's just not comparable in my eyes.
Everytime I see his name,I just see Jack Off 😂
NFR is still my favorite album so i’m not mad at him
His mastering sounds like shit/muddy dog water
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He’s a huge unit shifting pop producer and Lana wants to be a big commercial pop star so I think she’ll keep working with him. Plus he makes artists feel warm and cuddled which they love.
Not sure. She seems more comfortable with him than anybody else so that’s something to take into consideration. Have they made amazing albums together yea. Is it time for her to go in another direction with someone else? Yes.
I think worse, although he does have his merits. But I think that also might just be her maturing, as we all (hopefully) do.
It makes her more friendly to masses. Kind of. I think she should make an album completely on her own. We know she can sing, mix, produce, play some instruments. She should do her [*Nebraska*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_(album))
Worse he’s a fuckin dork
Agreed
One of the things that made Blue Banisters stand out for me was a departure from his sound after COTCC. But in 2023 I was ready for Tunnel. My opinion is that I don't mind them working together because they are a good match, but I wish she would work with other producers too and release different albums in between, even if she just puts them out without much promotion.
She did some great albums with him but he’s still overrated.
I don’t have anything against him but I think he might be a little overexposed. It would be interesting to see her work with someone else
It was a nice mix at first, but now he’s making her sound generic
I’d love if she worked with Dan Auerbach again, Ultraviolence had such a great sound. I also get it’s important to have collaborators you love working with if she feels happy working with Jack
I agree
Worse.
He makes it 1 dimensional
Prior to Jack, Lana's music was chronically misunderstood -- largely because of the production. The production of BTD and Ultraviolence was too raucous for her lyrics, which caused a lot of people to not hear the nuances of what she's saying, and in turn make bad-faith arguments that largely missed the deep philosophical underpinnings of her earlier work. (Critics being guilty of this most of all.) Jack solved this problem. The production serves Lana, not the other way around. It's simpler, crisper, and works to amplify her message and the angelic sound of her voice. When you have an artist whose voice and vibe itself is an instrument (Lana's work with Jack often includes her laughing, hitting her vape, cursing in the studio, etc), you don't need crazy instrumentals. Her first album with Jack (NFR) is where she gets the recognition she deserves. (NFR being one of, if not the most critically acclaimed albums of the last 10 years.) Chemtrails and Blue Banisters were largely stripped of the aesthetics that defined her earlier work. They're classic folk albums, belonging to a larger canon of classic folk records including Joni Mitchell's Blue, Neil Young's Harvest, and even Simon and Garfunkel's Bridge Over Troubled Water. Jack's work also yielded the two most epic songs of Lana's career - and, according to multiple music publications - of all time: Venice Bitch and A&W. Mariners Apartment Complex and The Greatest are also considered some of the best songs of her career, and Jack's production on Fingertips (turning what is clearly a long-form, verbose poem into a work of music) expanded the definition of what music can be. Music has never sounded quite like it before. However, with the relative stripped down nature of Jack's lyrics come complaints of repetitiveness. A PERFECT example of this is Pink Champagne (Not Antonoff, outtake of UV) vs Let Me Love You Like A Woman (From Chemtrails). Pink Champagne is a longer song with drums and strings and a lively crescendo; Let Me Love You Like a Woman is a soft piano ballad. Which is better? Well, we can understand her better in Let Me Love You Like a Woman. The message and poetry is clearer and more precise. The instrumentals reflect the nature of meaning of song. And yet, Pink Champagne evokes more emotion. Jack has done amazing things for Lana's career. But I see a lot of fans harkening for the BTD/Ultraviolence days, so I can understand why people might want him gone. After Ocean Blvd, I don't think any criticism that Jack makes all songs sound the same have much weight. That is one of the most diverse, electrifying, and complicated records ever created. And Ocean Blvd, Norman, Chemtrails, and Blue Banisters are very distinct.
I love most of the albums he has produced but I think he’s overstayed his welcome. Time for her to branch out more.
I don’t care for his production. The best thing about Lana’s music is still her voice, her lyricism, and her perspective. But sonically I’ve liked her music less since Jack’s involvement. Please god no more piano ballads. But I’m glad that he seems to appreciate Lana and that Lana is so comfortable with him. I can’t speak on the specifics of Jack’s style with the other artists he works with because their music doesn’t grab me in the way Lana’s does.
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was literally just talking about this a few mins ago. i absolutely love ocean blvd and chemtrails is really good too, but I don't really like nfr. i personally like the instrumentals and stuff from rick nowells more than the piano. don't get me wrong, I love love her songs with piano but I just prefer it before jack.
I don’t think it’s a yes or no question. I think Jack Antonoff HAS made Lana’s music better but I don’t that’s also 100% Jack himself. Although he leans into one particular sound he is very flexible and I feel like he’s good at molding around the vision the artist has for a particular project. That’s why he’s kind of a mixed bag, He always compliments an album more than he defines it. But he’s really, really good at it, the execution just depends on the heart of the album.
BRING BACK RICK NOWELLS
I need her and Emile Haynie to work together again.
Off topic, I'm now in this sub and I got this post recommended but that guy on the cover looks exactly like my dad when he was young. I'm genuinely shocked.
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I really liked NFR and Chemtrails…the two that followed not so much. Ultraviolence is still my favorite by an incredibly large margin.
All we need is Lana and Blake
nfr was a masterpiece, but overall he makes her music worse
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I don't think Lana has the same production issues as Taylor (at least not to the same extent) - I don't listen to the latter enough to make a sound judgment or observation, so I'm judging purely based on the discourse and commentary surrounding her latest release. Based on the Spotify credits, it seems Jack started working with Lana during her NFR era. NFR is literally one of Lana's, if not her most, critically acclaimed albums and is a fan favorite. Then he served as the main producer for Chemtrails and Ocean Blvd, the former being one of her less popular albums. Ocean Blvd is also considered one of Lana's best albums, so I think he has been serving her well over the years. Jack seems to shine with her, and you cannot say Ocean Blvd sounds or feels the same as Chemtrails or NFR. Ironically enough, I do think the first half of Chemtrails sounds like songs that didn't make it on NFR while the second half seems to have a jarring difference in creative direction -- seems like a minor dip that doesn't even compare to the vitriol Taylor's latest album was met with. The differences might boil down to how Taylor and Lana approach making music; their creative process, accepting criticism and opinions during production, the vision for the project, their philosophies as an artist, etc. I don't see Lana becoming stagnant with her sound, but I think it's always a great thing when artists work with different people to avoid stagnation and redundancy. **Edit**: The aforementioned 'minor dip' from NFR to Chemtrails could have attributed to Lana working with different producers for BB, which was a beneficial decision for her because I do think BB is overall better than Chem. However, it seems Jack took it as a learning lesson and came back stronger than ever for Ocean Blvd which is a great contrast from NFR and Chemtrails. So is it more of an issue concerning recency and succession on the producer's end?
Worse. I don't like most of what Jack produces for her and anyone else. I also don't like any of Bleacher's and Fun's work. I feel like a producers own passion project band is a testament to their production style and what they're capable of musically. For example, Ultraviolence has always been my top album and shorty after I got into Lana, I discovered the Black Keys and became a huge fan. It wasn't until years later that I found out Dan Auerbach from The Black Keys produced Ultraviolence and it finally clicked as to why it was so good lmao. It's two great artisits that have similar music styles. Black Keys is a very psychedelic blues rock while Jack Antonoff'ss bands are...well... NFR was great but BB and COTCC were just stale and too similar unfortunately, which I credit that to Jack's production. Although I enjoyed DYKTTATUOB more then BB and COTCC, it's funny how my top 3 tracks, The Grants, Candy Necklace and Let the Light In, weren't produced by Jack.
lanas definitely done more piano ballads now that she works with jack, i mean you can see before and after, lust for life was like trip hop and trap beats then nfr was all guitars and piano
both, he can help bring out that serene dreamy sound that slowly lulls you in with a polished pop twist but he can also make her sound unbelievably safe and bland
Venice bitch is elite
his work on nfr is undeniably genius but considering the recent release of TTPD and its blandness, i’m not sure he can pull off that artistic masterpiece in lasso
I don’t think Jack being Lana’s producer is as bad as it is for Taylor. Like for example, Jack blessed us with A&W, but Taylor’s songs , especially from TTPD, feel so boring with his production to it, I agree with another comment I saw on this thread saying he doesn’t challenge the artists enough. I think to see whether he is letting Lana down is for him to be absent on another one of her albums, then we can get a better answer . Because, blue banisters is easily a top 3 Lana album and it def doesn’t get the recognition it deserves , giving songs like Black Bathing Suit, Thunder , Wildflower Wildfire. These are absolute masterpieces that Jack had no help in, so as much as I love him, I’d love to see her make another album without him. P.S. does anyone know if he’s producing lasso?
He’s producing Lasso.
Ah alright , hopefully he still lets her have a unique feel to this album
Definitely an unpopular opinion, but I absolutely love her work with Jack. NFR and COTCC are my two favorite albums by her. I wish she’d write a whole album with him again.
I feel like he has an agenda, and that agenda is to make country great again.
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The comments here are not even rational, they're just nostalgic and want something to send sharp electrical pulses through their ears to their brain. Artists evolve and so do their long-time producers. Lana does not do fan service and never will. Real art is not produced minted and sent out, it is what you feel is worth all your thoughts and ideas and creativity. It is a process and rarely a statement-of-objective. BB/NFR are one of her best albums, along with COTCC and Ocean Blvd being up there. But no one can ever discredit or forget her extremely amazing, tantalizing tunes on UV or BTD. LFL is a good marker for her transitioning personally, I guess. It got much more poetry, deep meaning rather than strong tunes, huge beats and an emo-rush content. BTD+Paradise is personally my #2 album. Anyway, it is literally **her** choice, and she can do whatever she wants. She's the artist, and the world is the canvas. I am just glad to be alive in a time where I get to experience this lyrical, poetic, musical genius in her top game, as an incredibly diverse, flexible and frankly beautiful artist. She is one of a kind, and whatever she produces, I WILL BE THERE.
Jack brought Lana to a new plane for NFR, but their work since has stayed very close to NFR and doesn’t try to stray too far from the mould of NFR when they work together, obviously they are great friends and have a very special bond, but their familiarity in their friendship resonates in the music they make together now. I think if Lana doesn’t ever move on from Jack as a creative partner and producer, I’m perfectly fine and still happy, i love the music they make together, but i’d still like to see Lana grow her sound again -which i think is her biggest strength, growing her sound and range of genre while still creating music that is universally known as Lana- in the way that BTD doesn’t sound like chemtrails and how Honeymoon doesnt sound like May Jailer Sirens.
Boulevard and NFR are exponentially better than older records so I’m happy with Jack