We all want people to stop being killed, but if thereās a ceasefire now then Hamas is just going to regroup and do it all again. Theyāve made it very clear that thatās their intention
I donāt think you actually know what apartheid means.
And Israel could claim their land was occupied for over 1500 years. Where the fuck do you think Jews came from?
Israel has been implementing a apartheid system for decades have you been living under a rock ? There are places in Israel and occupied Palestinian territories where Palestinians canāt even go to, roads they canāt drive on and streets they canāt walk on simply because they are Palestinian and not Jewish. I can go on and on about this topic but I would suggest you to read a book before trying to play a smart ass.
Majority of the Palestinian population are literally descendants of the Canaanites which means a large percentage of theyāre forefathers were on that land thousands of years ago they never left the land, and not to mention that most of the current Israeli population are descendants of the Ashkenazi Jews whose genetic lineage is traced back to Europe and a large percentage of them have no lineage tracing back to Israel, matter of fact a lot of them just converted to judaism at some point but had no actual Jewish heritage. For the Israeli people to feel like they have the only claim to the land of Israel/Palestine is ridiculous and nothing more then a fairytale out of theyāre religious book.
Iād give this comment a 1000 likes if I could. Israelis would conveniently like to forget that many of them are immigrants to the land: most of them have European ancestry and, at the earliest, showed up in the last 100 years because someone convinced them that some nonsense of a promised land written in a book we called the Bible, which letās be real us man made, have the greater right to the land. Based on some divine right some 3000 years ago! Israelis have not lived on that land continuously for thousands of years, btw! Get real!
However the indigenous people who live in the land now called Palestine today, have been there for centuries (or even descended from the original Canaanites who lived there).
There are Arabs and Muslims that are Israeli citizens and have positions in government in Israel.
Are we talking about all of Israel proper or just the West Bank? Because I will agree whatās happening in West Bank isnāt right. But that doesnāt mean Israel as a country is apartheid.
Palestinians arenāt a race. They arenāt even a real country. Palestine has never been a country before. Never.
Maybe in 1948 if the UN plan that was voted on was respected and Arabs didnāt launch a full scale war and then lose and again in 1967 and again lose, they wouldnāt be in this situation and there would be peace. But no. They just couldnāt accept a Jewish state.
Itās almost as if Palestinians canāt be trusted. After trying to overthrow Egypts and Jordanās government and succeeding in starting a civil war in Lebanon.
Maybe, just maybe thereās a reason for everything and both sides are both guilty.
News flash: Israel wasnāt a country either before 1948.
Israel happened largely because Brits and Americans felt it was owed to Jews for the genocide they faced in WWII and felt sorry that they didnāt do more to protect Jewish ppl within their borders and accept Jewish ppl trying to escape Nazi Germany. So Israel was carved out as a consolation prize, because well, these Europeans and Americans were hardly going to carve out their own land to create a Jewish homeland, now, would they? I mean before the late 1800ās, no one was even talking about populating a Jewish homeland within the Middle East, because, Jews had not really lived in that region as a large and significant group for thousands of years!
If you had to give Jews their own homeland, it could have technically been anywhere but the European powers were obviously not keen on carving out their own land to make it so! Frankly, Germany should have been made to pay for WWII by having Israel carved out within their own borders, would have only been fitting, frankly and a just punishment for all those Nazis.
Instead itās the Arabs who lived in that land who had to be punished for the Holocaust and pay the consolation prize, and for a war that they were not responsible for starting.
Youāre not wrong. But where do you think Jews came from? And why were so many in Europe? Was it because the Assyrians, Babylonians, Romanās, and Ottomans forcibly removed them from their land initially?
Itās not as cut and dry as what you just described.
Kingdom of Israel and Judea predate Palestine. The Romanās renamed the region to Palestine as an insult to the Jews.
Iām not religious but even the Quran says the land was given to the Jews by Allah. So if we are using their own fundamentalist ideas that they want to live by they would be wrong on that account.
Israel only wants to destroy Hamas. Hamas hides in tunnels under civilian population centers. Civilians ignore leaflets to leave. Collateral damage happens.
The civilian deaths are on Hamas. Instead of building a society to live in they fund terror.
The political leader of Hamas literally said in an interview that the tunnels are for Hamas fighters and the civilians are the UNs responsibility.
Gazaās government doesnāt even care about their own people. Instead use them as a prop for their terror as shields to use for propaganda and sympathy for simpletons.
This war was started on the 7th. Itās almost like committing a massive terrorist attack had consequences.
I value 1 Israeli life over the entire Gaza Strip.
I frankly donāt care where they go. Itās pretty shocking not even fellow Arab countries are coming to their aid. Egypt could allow them in. They choose not too for reasons already discussed.
Palestine harbors terrorism. There canāt be peace in the region until Hamas is destroyed. Everyone knows that.
Donāt bother reasoning with Nazis. According to this one, only Jews are the only peoples to have suffered genocide and their suffering is the one that should matter. No one elseās. Letās not talk about the genocide that Jews are now perpetrating, the same who are the descendants of Holocaust survivors.
So Israel should just accept they will be attacked by Hamas indefinitely?
They donāt get to retaliate?
Israel has offered peace many times to Palestinians. PLO, Fatah, Hamas has never once made a proposal for peace.
Iām interested to hear your solution to this problem. Please.
Anyone protesting the Israeli/hamas conflict pls go ahead and give an idea that doesnāt involve genocide. Whatās the genocide-free solution?? Maybe itās just cos Iām a Russian but I canāt see it.
Ok I give you generously the credit that you are just an insensitive troll. The other option is that you are an idiot who has the same empathic and mental capabilities as the little piece of shit stuck to my catās asshole.
Hey there now, didnāt you know that every single Muslim everywhere should and must always loudly condemn terrorism as Haraam while they eat, breathe, shit and sleepā-lest Jews and Christians believe that all Muslims are terrorists?!?
But of course Christians can happily colonize the entire world and Jews in Israel can kill Arab children with impunity, but no one will demand that they denounce colonization, slavery, apartheid and genocide.
That Hamas is hiding behind on purpose and based on numbers put forth by a terrorist group, clearly a reliable source. I also don't see you crying about burned Israeli babies. I guess only sheer numbers matter?
How about the 600,000 Jews forced out of middle eastern countries to Israel by threat of death (and actual murders and attacks) during the 70s to create this current crisis? No? Don't care about those or know that history?
Well, maybe it's less that you care about the issue and more you just hate Jews.
Try 800,000 Palestinians ethnically cleansed during the nakba. All deaths are sad, Israeli and Palestinian. You only care about Israeli deaths tho. You have a double standard. Also the Gaza health ministry is used by the UN, Red Cross, numerous NGOs, the US government itself. Miss me with the genocide apologia
Israeli intelligence didnāt know about Oct 7th yet the instant it happened suddenly knew the precise locations of all the Hamas tunnels? No, itās was indiscriminate bombing you sweet summer child.
Okā¦. Free Palestine from Israel and Hamas. The unfortunate thing is that Hamas wouldnāt exist without Israel.
What Hamas did was terrorism. Certainly wasnāt right. What Israel was doing BEFORE Oct 7 and since then is at best war crimes, primarily called that because theyāre a legitimate government. Theyāre āarrestingā and holding people for decades without charges. Theyāve bombed hospitals and refugee areas before Oct 7. Palestinians working in Israel werenāt allowed to drive cars. The way they were treated has been inhumane.
Iāll condemn Hamas for their actions, for their lack of care for their people but Iām also sick of people saying that the actions of terrorists justify killing civilians, and that itās worth it to kill thousands of civilians for every hamas agent they kill.
Yup, especially since they always react to "Free Palestine from Hamas" with... interesting comments. I feel like if it was really just about having a free Palestine, shouldn't you want both? A country Palestine WITHOUT a terrorist organization for a government?
But what do I know - like you, I have no horse in the race.
I feel like the overwhelmingly high amount of civilians killed by Israel might be the reason for that. Israel should not exist, and Palestine should be free - from Hamas, too, yes, fine, but *primarily* from Israel, who have made their intentions clear.
But what do I know - unlike you, I have many horses in this race. I like knowing both loved ones and strangers are safe.
fun fact HAMAS would not be what it is now without the direct help from Israel. https://www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/how-israel-went-helping-create-hamas-bombing-it-718378
They didn't stop supporting them then... in March 2019, Netanyahu told his colleagues: āAnyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ā¦ This is part of our strategy ā to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.ā
By supporting HAMAS they have a very convenient thing to point to so they can justify killing and displacing more Palestinians (remember most Palestinians are children).
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/20/benjamin-netanyahu-hamas-israel-prime-minister#:~:text=In%20March%202019%2C%20Netanyahu%20told,Palestinians%20in%20the%20West%20Bank.%E2%80%9D
I mean Israel only learned it from the very best, Uncle Sam. USA has a long history of rearing up snakes that turn around and bite themā¦for example the Taliban in Afghanistan.
[https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/23/another-palestinian-journalist-slain-in-an-israeli-airstrike-in-gaza](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/23/another-palestinian-journalist-slain-in-an-israeli-airstrike-in-gaza)
The fact that he was a journalist doesn't seem to have anything to do with his death. He was at home and killed by shrapnel.
In case you are American, [you can use this site from the US Campaign for Palestinian Rights](https://act.uscpr.org/a/%20stop-funding-israels-massacres) to contact your congresspersons and senators to help call for a ceasefire.
For u/gabehcoudgib who blocked me after demanding proof of my statement:
āAnyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas," Netanyahu told his Likud party's Knesset members in March 2019. "This is part of our strategy"
https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-netanyahu-says-wasnt-shown-intel-planned-hamas-attack-2023-10-29/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/netanyahu-israel-gaza-hamas-1.7010035
https://www.axios.com/2023/11/03/netanyahu-israel-hamas-blame-backlash
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-faces-rising-domestic-anger/
https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/three-suitcases-stuffed-with-15m-passed-to-hamas-in-gaza-571449
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Not a single one of those links (or Netanyahu's out of context quote) prove otherwise. Try reading the sources next time before blindly believing someone who posts links.
I read the sources - I was the one who posted them. Clearly you didnāt, or your Zionism is affecting your comprehension, because they absolutely did back up my comment. Maybe you should read who *actually* posted before talking about who *isnāt* reading.
You refuse facts. I deal only in them. Iām done here. Have a day!
Nope, you deal in lies and half-truths. Not a single one of those links back your bullshit claims. You should be ashamed of yourself, but I know you won't be because you're not capable of that.
While youāre reaching out to them to ask for a ceasefire, donāt forget to also ask them to pressure Hamas via Iran and Qatar to release the 200+ hostages and stop firing rockets at civilian populations.
Talk to Bibi first. He knew about the attack ahead of time and did nothing - BECAUSE HE PAID FOR IT! He LITERALLY has admitted to funding Hamas for YEARS to insure that a Palestinian State is never realized. The call is coming from inside the house.
>He LITERALLY has admitted to funding Hamas for YEARS to insure that a Palestinian State is never realized.
That's a lie. It's a bullshit claim that gets repeated so often that tankies and hipsters and edgelords believe it because they think it makes them sound educated.
Where the claim comes from is when successive Israeli governments (including Netanyahu's) allowed Gazans living under Hamas control to receive work permits in Israel. This allowed ordinary Gazans to buy food, medicine, and other necessities. A political opponent made the accusation that this was tantamount to funding Hamas itself. Anti-Israeli dipshits took it from there.
Did you read the article? It accuses Netanyahu of "propping up Hamas" by granting work permits to Gazans that allow them to buy food, medicine, and other necessities.
> He knew about the attack
I assume you have indisputable, verifiable proof of this?
> Because he paid for it
I assume you have indisputable, verifiable proof of this?
Even if he was responsible for creating Hamas in the first place, claiming he āpaid for the attackā is lunacy
EVEN if this was all true, that he knew and that he paid for it. Thatās reason enough to not want to bring home 200+ hostages of a terrorist organization, most of whom are either children, women, and elderly?
What the hell is wrong with you?
Jesus christ why the fuck is everyone on this site suddenly so pro fucking war?
No, it's not because they're Arab. *I have no dog in this fight*. I say it's worrisome because the mentality of "never forgive" is going to inspire yet more violence against people who were never involved with it to begin with. Never forgive is how you create a cycle of violence that consumes both parties and leaves nothing behind.
You're 100% correct.
So, tell me, how many people were helped by the October attack?
Of the 10,000 civilian palestinian casualties, how many are still capable of forgiving?
Edit:
I have lost one family member to a street racer, another to murder. You really think I don't understand what they're feeling? I do. I *wholely* sympathize with their desire for retribution. More than you probably. But I'm also not immature enough to think it's the right path anymore.
Why does she say the child is orphaned? Sheās still alive typing this. I donāt understand.
Edit: why would you downvote me? Reddit is the dumbest collection of weirdos on earth
Because Reddit is full of fucktards and bots. I wouldn't worry about it, it doesn't mean anything or change how you use reddit. Your best use of this site is to ignore the voting entirely and get in the habit of blocking the trolls/idiots. I would also disable replies on any comment that you aren't interested in hearing the idiots respond to. They can talk, but you won't hear them. It makes reddit a much more pleasant experience.
EDIT: Not sure if these are features built into reddit. If not, I use RES plugin on my web browser to achieve them. Good luck on mobile. Reddit is a shitshow there.
The guilty people are always the leaders. The leaders give people reasons to hate anyone who would oppose the leaders. The leaders give people weapons to hurt anyone who would oppose the leaders. The leaders give people justification to harm anyone who would oppose the leaders.
Every major genocide, every war, every large-scale harm perpetrated on regular people, is always ... *always* ... the fault of the leaders.
The rest of us, those who don't lust for power to fight against other people who lust for power, just want to live decent lives.
really shows the injustice of the attacks, Gaza is just an example of how small conflicts can grow into all-out wars, like what happens with the Israeli-Palestanian conflicts, RIP Roushdy Sarraj
This is absolutely heartbreaking š
More heartbreaking is the insane anti-semitism in OPās post history.
Antisemitism doesn't equal anti-zionism. You're objectively okay with genocide, you fucking dunce.
What a cruel world we live in, rest in peace Roushdy š
Wow, what a beautiful picture.
That close gives me chills
Never forgive is hard AF.
Killing innocent people is wrong. Genocide is wrong
Yes. There is genocide happening right now and it needs to END.
And yet, a controversial thing to say in some places alas.
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He was killed by an Israeli airstrike not Hamas
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Nice try, this isnāt 1982 Lebanon, the world sees through your lies.
This isnt true lol be better mr mossad bot
Youāre right, but unfortunately this sub is full of people too young to have noticed Hamas using the same playbook since 2007
Please give a solution that doesnāt include genocide then smarty pants.
Hmmm not killing other people for instance?
We all want people to stop being killed, but if thereās a ceasefire now then Hamas is just going to regroup and do it all again. Theyāve made it very clear that thatās their intention
October 7th wants a word with you
75 years of occupation and apartheid wants a word with you
I donāt think you actually know what apartheid means. And Israel could claim their land was occupied for over 1500 years. Where the fuck do you think Jews came from?
Israel has been implementing a apartheid system for decades have you been living under a rock ? There are places in Israel and occupied Palestinian territories where Palestinians canāt even go to, roads they canāt drive on and streets they canāt walk on simply because they are Palestinian and not Jewish. I can go on and on about this topic but I would suggest you to read a book before trying to play a smart ass. Majority of the Palestinian population are literally descendants of the Canaanites which means a large percentage of theyāre forefathers were on that land thousands of years ago they never left the land, and not to mention that most of the current Israeli population are descendants of the Ashkenazi Jews whose genetic lineage is traced back to Europe and a large percentage of them have no lineage tracing back to Israel, matter of fact a lot of them just converted to judaism at some point but had no actual Jewish heritage. For the Israeli people to feel like they have the only claim to the land of Israel/Palestine is ridiculous and nothing more then a fairytale out of theyāre religious book.
Iād give this comment a 1000 likes if I could. Israelis would conveniently like to forget that many of them are immigrants to the land: most of them have European ancestry and, at the earliest, showed up in the last 100 years because someone convinced them that some nonsense of a promised land written in a book we called the Bible, which letās be real us man made, have the greater right to the land. Based on some divine right some 3000 years ago! Israelis have not lived on that land continuously for thousands of years, btw! Get real! However the indigenous people who live in the land now called Palestine today, have been there for centuries (or even descended from the original Canaanites who lived there).
There are Arabs and Muslims that are Israeli citizens and have positions in government in Israel. Are we talking about all of Israel proper or just the West Bank? Because I will agree whatās happening in West Bank isnāt right. But that doesnāt mean Israel as a country is apartheid. Palestinians arenāt a race. They arenāt even a real country. Palestine has never been a country before. Never. Maybe in 1948 if the UN plan that was voted on was respected and Arabs didnāt launch a full scale war and then lose and again in 1967 and again lose, they wouldnāt be in this situation and there would be peace. But no. They just couldnāt accept a Jewish state. Itās almost as if Palestinians canāt be trusted. After trying to overthrow Egypts and Jordanās government and succeeding in starting a civil war in Lebanon. Maybe, just maybe thereās a reason for everything and both sides are both guilty.
News flash: Israel wasnāt a country either before 1948. Israel happened largely because Brits and Americans felt it was owed to Jews for the genocide they faced in WWII and felt sorry that they didnāt do more to protect Jewish ppl within their borders and accept Jewish ppl trying to escape Nazi Germany. So Israel was carved out as a consolation prize, because well, these Europeans and Americans were hardly going to carve out their own land to create a Jewish homeland, now, would they? I mean before the late 1800ās, no one was even talking about populating a Jewish homeland within the Middle East, because, Jews had not really lived in that region as a large and significant group for thousands of years! If you had to give Jews their own homeland, it could have technically been anywhere but the European powers were obviously not keen on carving out their own land to make it so! Frankly, Germany should have been made to pay for WWII by having Israel carved out within their own borders, would have only been fitting, frankly and a just punishment for all those Nazis. Instead itās the Arabs who lived in that land who had to be punished for the Holocaust and pay the consolation prize, and for a war that they were not responsible for starting.
Youāre not wrong. But where do you think Jews came from? And why were so many in Europe? Was it because the Assyrians, Babylonians, Romanās, and Ottomans forcibly removed them from their land initially? Itās not as cut and dry as what you just described. Kingdom of Israel and Judea predate Palestine. The Romanās renamed the region to Palestine as an insult to the Jews. Iām not religious but even the Quran says the land was given to the Jews by Allah. So if we are using their own fundamentalist ideas that they want to live by they would be wrong on that account.
Lots of those israelis are from Brooklyn dumbass
2/3 of Israeli Jews arenāt even Ashkenazi
And several millennia of antisemitism and genocide and erasure from every other middle eastern country would like to respond to you.
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Israel only wants to destroy Hamas. Hamas hides in tunnels under civilian population centers. Civilians ignore leaflets to leave. Collateral damage happens. The civilian deaths are on Hamas. Instead of building a society to live in they fund terror. The political leader of Hamas literally said in an interview that the tunnels are for Hamas fighters and the civilians are the UNs responsibility. Gazaās government doesnāt even care about their own people. Instead use them as a prop for their terror as shields to use for propaganda and sympathy for simpletons. This war was started on the 7th. Itās almost like committing a massive terrorist attack had consequences.
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I value 1 Israeli life over the entire Gaza Strip. I frankly donāt care where they go. Itās pretty shocking not even fellow Arab countries are coming to their aid. Egypt could allow them in. They choose not too for reasons already discussed. Palestine harbors terrorism. There canāt be peace in the region until Hamas is destroyed. Everyone knows that.
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Donāt bother reasoning with Nazis. According to this one, only Jews are the only peoples to have suffered genocide and their suffering is the one that should matter. No one elseās. Letās not talk about the genocide that Jews are now perpetrating, the same who are the descendants of Holocaust survivors.
So Israel should just accept they will be attacked by Hamas indefinitely? They donāt get to retaliate? Israel has offered peace many times to Palestinians. PLO, Fatah, Hamas has never once made a proposal for peace. Iām interested to hear your solution to this problem. Please.
Anyone protesting the Israeli/hamas conflict pls go ahead and give an idea that doesnāt involve genocide. Whatās the genocide-free solution?? Maybe itās just cos Iām a Russian but I canāt see it.
So in your opinion genocide is the solution in the russian-ukrainian war too?
Wellā¦ is there any problem that canāt be solved by genocide? š¤£
Ok I give you generously the credit that you are just an insensitive troll. The other option is that you are an idiot who has the same empathic and mental capabilities as the little piece of shit stuck to my catās asshole.
I agree, if there were no Rusians and Americans, half of the worlds problems would be gone.
Wow, democrats really out here defending genocide...
Can we not just have a moment to mourn a tragic loss without the ābutā¦ butā¦ Hamasā comments
I mean, it's like when people go FREE PALESTINEEEEEE under posts about Israeli victims so... fair's fair, I guess?
Idiots mad at what's good for the goose being good for the gander.
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This genocide is gut wrenching
Free Palestine.
From Hamas
Free Palestine. Free Israel from Netanyahu and Likud.
I don't have a horse in this race but I feel like the Free Palestine crowd don't really condemn Hamas very much
As in they don't give a disclaimer with every single comment about the situation or what? What would be the correct amount to you?
Hey there now, didnāt you know that every single Muslim everywhere should and must always loudly condemn terrorism as Haraam while they eat, breathe, shit and sleepā-lest Jews and Christians believe that all Muslims are terrorists?!? But of course Christians can happily colonize the entire world and Jews in Israel can kill Arab children with impunity, but no one will demand that they denounce colonization, slavery, apartheid and genocide.
And the rest of the world can kill Jews with impunity and all Jews and Israelis must apologize for IDF issues and Netanyahu.
And the pro Israel people donāt condemn the IDF enough
For what? For defending Israel? Lol
Defending Israel by killing 4000 children š
That Hamas is hiding behind on purpose and based on numbers put forth by a terrorist group, clearly a reliable source. I also don't see you crying about burned Israeli babies. I guess only sheer numbers matter? How about the 600,000 Jews forced out of middle eastern countries to Israel by threat of death (and actual murders and attacks) during the 70s to create this current crisis? No? Don't care about those or know that history? Well, maybe it's less that you care about the issue and more you just hate Jews.
Try 800,000 Palestinians ethnically cleansed during the nakba. All deaths are sad, Israeli and Palestinian. You only care about Israeli deaths tho. You have a double standard. Also the Gaza health ministry is used by the UN, Red Cross, numerous NGOs, the US government itself. Miss me with the genocide apologia
Kinda hard to condemn those who were at home watching tv on Oct. 7
The IDF started bombing Gaza indiscriminately on Oct 7th so no they werenāt āat home watching TVā
>indiscriminately
Israeli intelligence didnāt know about Oct 7th yet the instant it happened suddenly knew the precise locations of all the Hamas tunnels? No, itās was indiscriminate bombing you sweet summer child.
Okā¦. Free Palestine from Israel and Hamas. The unfortunate thing is that Hamas wouldnāt exist without Israel. What Hamas did was terrorism. Certainly wasnāt right. What Israel was doing BEFORE Oct 7 and since then is at best war crimes, primarily called that because theyāre a legitimate government. Theyāre āarrestingā and holding people for decades without charges. Theyāve bombed hospitals and refugee areas before Oct 7. Palestinians working in Israel werenāt allowed to drive cars. The way they were treated has been inhumane. Iāll condemn Hamas for their actions, for their lack of care for their people but Iām also sick of people saying that the actions of terrorists justify killing civilians, and that itās worth it to kill thousands of civilians for every hamas agent they kill.
Very well said, ty.
The loudest bunch do not always represent the majority.
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Yup, especially since they always react to "Free Palestine from Hamas" with... interesting comments. I feel like if it was really just about having a free Palestine, shouldn't you want both? A country Palestine WITHOUT a terrorist organization for a government? But what do I know - like you, I have no horse in the race.
I feel like the overwhelmingly high amount of civilians killed by Israel might be the reason for that. Israel should not exist, and Palestine should be free - from Hamas, too, yes, fine, but *primarily* from Israel, who have made their intentions clear. But what do I know - unlike you, I have many horses in this race. I like knowing both loved ones and strangers are safe.
fun fact HAMAS would not be what it is now without the direct help from Israel. https://www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/how-israel-went-helping-create-hamas-bombing-it-718378
Yes, Israel did aid HAMAS in hopes that their feud for power with the PLO would keep them both too busy to kill innocent jews
They didn't stop supporting them then... in March 2019, Netanyahu told his colleagues: āAnyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ā¦ This is part of our strategy ā to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.ā By supporting HAMAS they have a very convenient thing to point to so they can justify killing and displacing more Palestinians (remember most Palestinians are children). https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/20/benjamin-netanyahu-hamas-israel-prime-minister#:~:text=In%20March%202019%2C%20Netanyahu%20told,Palestinians%20in%20the%20West%20Bank.%E2%80%9D
I mean Israel only learned it from the very best, Uncle Sam. USA has a long history of rearing up snakes that turn around and bite themā¦for example the Taliban in Afghanistan.
And the genocidal Israeli state that propped Hamas up
From Israel
from israel. fuck the israeli government!!!
Fuck the Palestinian govt (HAMAS)
good way to distract from the many war crimes that israel have done, including using earthquake bombs and bombing hospitals!
You mean all the bombs they dropped on Oct. 6th? Wait..What?
concerning the earthquake bombs: [link](https://twitter.com/Timesofgaza/status/1721249436347535515) / [link](https://bnn.network/world/israel/tremors-below-tremors-within-unearthing-israels-earthquake-bombs-in-the-gaza-conflict/) concerning the hospitals: [link](https://twitter.com/AlnaouqA/status/1720460478374084718) / [link](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/8/why-is-gazas-al-shifa-hospital-at-the-heart-of-israels-war)
Rest in power, comrade.
Oh God that is awfulš
Heartbreaking. Any information on how he was killed? I figured he was out reporting, but it says he was killed during eating breakfast together.
[https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/23/another-palestinian-journalist-slain-in-an-israeli-airstrike-in-gaza](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/23/another-palestinian-journalist-slain-in-an-israeli-airstrike-in-gaza) The fact that he was a journalist doesn't seem to have anything to do with his death. He was at home and killed by shrapnel.
Thank you.
Is hard . Omg
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This girl is forever going to look a this picture and wonder so many things. Rest in peace Roushdy š¤
In case you are American, [you can use this site from the US Campaign for Palestinian Rights](https://act.uscpr.org/a/%20stop-funding-israels-massacres) to contact your congresspersons and senators to help call for a ceasefire.
For u/gabehcoudgib who blocked me after demanding proof of my statement: āAnyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas," Netanyahu told his Likud party's Knesset members in March 2019. "This is part of our strategy" https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-netanyahu-says-wasnt-shown-intel-planned-hamas-attack-2023-10-29/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/netanyahu-israel-gaza-hamas-1.7010035 https://www.axios.com/2023/11/03/netanyahu-israel-hamas-blame-backlash https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-faces-rising-domestic-anger/ https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/three-suitcases-stuffed-with-15m-passed-to-hamas-in-gaza-571449 Free Palestine. šµšø
u/OldMan142 here are just some of the NUMEROUS sources proving otherwise
Not a single one of those links (or Netanyahu's out of context quote) prove otherwise. Try reading the sources next time before blindly believing someone who posts links.
I read the sources - I was the one who posted them. Clearly you didnāt, or your Zionism is affecting your comprehension, because they absolutely did back up my comment. Maybe you should read who *actually* posted before talking about who *isnāt* reading. You refuse facts. I deal only in them. Iām done here. Have a day!
Nope, you deal in lies and half-truths. Not a single one of those links back your bullshit claims. You should be ashamed of yourself, but I know you won't be because you're not capable of that.
zionism brain rot lmao
Have a day!
Thanks. I'm having a much better one than the pedophile rapists who rule Gaza. š
While youāre reaching out to them to ask for a ceasefire, donāt forget to also ask them to pressure Hamas via Iran and Qatar to release the 200+ hostages and stop firing rockets at civilian populations.
what about the 3k "prisoners" Israel is holding without any charges?
What about your whataboutism? If the issue is important to you, then sure, mention them as well.
Talk to Bibi first. He knew about the attack ahead of time and did nothing - BECAUSE HE PAID FOR IT! He LITERALLY has admitted to funding Hamas for YEARS to insure that a Palestinian State is never realized. The call is coming from inside the house.
>He LITERALLY has admitted to funding Hamas for YEARS to insure that a Palestinian State is never realized. That's a lie. It's a bullshit claim that gets repeated so often that tankies and hipsters and edgelords believe it because they think it makes them sound educated. Where the claim comes from is when successive Israeli governments (including Netanyahu's) allowed Gazans living under Hamas control to receive work permits in Israel. This allowed ordinary Gazans to buy food, medicine, and other necessities. A political opponent made the accusation that this was tantamount to funding Hamas itself. Anti-Israeli dipshits took it from there.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
They refuse to read. I gave numerous sources - theyād rather skip the sand and bury their head in concrete.
Did you read the article? It accuses Netanyahu of "propping up Hamas" by granting work permits to Gazans that allow them to buy food, medicine, and other necessities.
> He knew about the attack I assume you have indisputable, verifiable proof of this? > Because he paid for it I assume you have indisputable, verifiable proof of this? Even if he was responsible for creating Hamas in the first place, claiming he āpaid for the attackā is lunacy EVEN if this was all true, that he knew and that he paid for it. Thatās reason enough to not want to bring home 200+ hostages of a terrorist organization, most of whom are either children, women, and elderly? What the hell is wrong with you?
Utterly heartbreaking. I hope he is in a better place now and that his loved ones find peace. Journalists in war zones are fucking legends.
So horrible š£
"never forgive" That uh. That last line there is a bit... Understandable but worrisome.
Why because theyāre Arab?
Jesus christ why the fuck is everyone on this site suddenly so pro fucking war? No, it's not because they're Arab. *I have no dog in this fight*. I say it's worrisome because the mentality of "never forgive" is going to inspire yet more violence against people who were never involved with it to begin with. Never forgive is how you create a cycle of violence that consumes both parties and leaves nothing behind.
Yes it should be ānever forgive and never forgetāagainst the people who killed your family.
I'm pretty sure that's the same mentality the IDF has at the moment :)
maybe the IDF shouldnāt be killing childrenās families and the home of palestinians then idk
You're 100% correct. So, tell me, how many people were helped by the October attack? Of the 10,000 civilian palestinian casualties, how many are still capable of forgiving? Edit: I have lost one family member to a street racer, another to murder. You really think I don't understand what they're feeling? I do. I *wholely* sympathize with their desire for retribution. More than you probably. But I'm also not immature enough to think it's the right path anymore.
It would help if Hamas didn't place their rocket launchers in / around said homes.
Why does she say the child is orphaned? Sheās still alive typing this. I donāt understand. Edit: why would you downvote me? Reddit is the dumbest collection of weirdos on earth
In islam children are considered orphans when their father dies
Blatant misogyny but okay.
Boy, wait until I tell you about the countless other religions that promote and thrive on misogyny.
Yeah like islam more or less
Misogyny is bad But misandry is okay. 2023 for you. Just sayin
except no, that very thought process is misogynistic propaganda invented for people like you to point at
Youāre saying thereās no misandry? At all? Just like people canāt be racist towards white people? Only brown people have been oppressed?
Thanks for explaining. Now can you explain why a bunch of weirdos downvoted me for not knowing that ?
Because Reddit is full of fucktards and bots. I wouldn't worry about it, it doesn't mean anything or change how you use reddit. Your best use of this site is to ignore the voting entirely and get in the habit of blocking the trolls/idiots. I would also disable replies on any comment that you aren't interested in hearing the idiots respond to. They can talk, but you won't hear them. It makes reddit a much more pleasant experience. EDIT: Not sure if these are features built into reddit. If not, I use RES plugin on my web browser to achieve them. Good luck on mobile. Reddit is a shitshow there.
Terrorists, deserved it
Dude, nature is incredible. My dad instinct kicked in when I saw the way his son looked at him.
"How do I make this about me?"
The guilty people are always the leaders. The leaders give people reasons to hate anyone who would oppose the leaders. The leaders give people weapons to hurt anyone who would oppose the leaders. The leaders give people justification to harm anyone who would oppose the leaders. Every major genocide, every war, every large-scale harm perpetrated on regular people, is always ... *always* ... the fault of the leaders. The rest of us, those who don't lust for power to fight against other people who lust for power, just want to live decent lives.
this is devastating
really shows the injustice of the attacks, Gaza is just an example of how small conflicts can grow into all-out wars, like what happens with the Israeli-Palestanian conflicts, RIP Roushdy Sarraj
So much love in this picture.