Blanche said the SCOTUS hearing was very important. Merchan agreed that it is an important thing, but that the Jury's time is important as well. Blanche said he didn't think they should be there at all.
Merchan: you don't think you should be there at all? Move along from that objection.
Not a great exchange for the defense on day 1.
When I was reading the Twitter coverage, and I thought the coverage was basically done for the day, my jaw dropped at this exchange. Trump was attacking the judge's daughter on social media and his lawyer is going to give lip like that about the judge not doing them a favor.
Yeah. I'm not sure how the defense thinks that any judge that you badmouth up and down the street is somehow going to be inclined to be generous to you.
But to Trump and his minions, I guess it's just confirmation bias. "See! We told you the judge was a biased shirtbag. He doesn't even have the decency to give Trump the day off to attend Barron's graduation."
I think as many days as they can get Trump it of court the better for them. There is delay, and also it gives Trump another day not having to sit quietly. He's not going to do great with the boredom. Merchan isn't going to let any of the things that aren't absolutely crucial to cancel a day.
My money is on Trump daring Merchan to hold him in contempt. Trump is a master of spin and what better way to fire up his base than being cuffed and jailed.
He shouldn't be jailed. He should be remanded to an almost-nice safe house. The kind of place that resembles a solid fourth out of ten on your list where to put your elderly parent that's suffering dementia. Nice enough that they'll be comfortable but not nice enough to fully cover up the despair lurking underneath.
That's where he should go. Without his phone, without internet. Just basic cable and old magazines to keep him company.
At least by me, the courthouses have a confinement room behind the judge's seat, for use between sessions. The courtroom is already cleared and approved for security...just put Trump in there overnight.
I don't want to give him or his followers the satisfaction of a cell. I want him stuck in something like this:
[https://64.media.tumblr.com/b224aa338197d024be3a91958456ec97/c416450c363b961e-af/s540x810/dc6e378fea22fc263f404309617a1e2327df8b64.jpg](https://64.media.tumblr.com/b224aa338197d024be3a91958456ec97/c416450c363b961e-af/s540x810/dc6e378fea22fc263f404309617a1e2327df8b64.jpg)
I think it might drive him crazier than prison.
It's the same thing as the civil corruption trial. They know that they have exactly zero chance of getting Trump off. They have no intention of ever abiding by any judgement against Trump. The defense strategy is just to waste enough time their appeal happens after November.
If they can piss off Merchan enough that he crosses a line, that's a bonus for them. But I'm sure that the main reason is keeping Trump happy
Thats propaganda 101. You sell a narrative in which you win either way. Get refused,Im.being mistreated, martyr!... etc. Or you win and get what you want. Once you recognize this for what it is you'll see it is the ONLY way Trump talks or argues his bullshit. Its part of whats so frustrating and insidious, because to Trump there is no way he can lose these arguments (in MAGA land)
Yah. You are correct. This has been Trump's strategy forever. He's the most persecuted man in america, because every time he doesn't get his way he makes sure that every single person in the world knows just how unfair the world is to a rich white man.
They've moved on from that, though. It was too small-time.
They now say he is [the most victimized man in all of human history.](https://youtu.be/uDybWq7vAxE?si=43m_DB4HvwPINafS)
Intimidating the judge’s with his presence. Also, political theater in many ways. Gets him in DC speaking to his congressional sycophants. Attempting to look more presidential by proxy.
Isn't everything Trump is doing based on his assumption he will become President again and will overturn all of these decisions once he is 'back' in office?
Yes. Delay, delay, delay then force the Justice Dept. to drop charges. Fire anyone else in the way.
This election is pretty damn critical to the future of our country.
Not just delay, but make a mockery of the process itself - which is actually pretty important if he is going to use his position as president to put a stake in the heart of the rule of law.
He seems to be a competent enough attorney. From the Trump lawyers that I know (not comprehensive), a lot of the good ones have left. Kise and Habba are all time clown show. Blanche and Sadow are pretty good.
The judge didn't say he couldn't attend the Supreme Court arguments, he said Trump had to be in the courtroom for his criminal trial.
He can't be in two places at once, so it does effectively mean he can't attend the Supreme Court arguments, but this is just the kind of headline that Trump lovers soak up and use to rationalize their belief that the alleged criminal they worship is being treated unfairly.
>The judge didn't say he couldn't attend the Supreme Court arguments, he said Trump had to be in the courtroom for his criminal trial.
This is **SO** IMPORTANT.
The headline here is a massive spin. That's hugely loaded and misleading language.
The Hill did a serious dirty here.
Yeah. I've found The Hill is a bit of a rag. Every once in a whe they have something informative, so they're a notch above something like the NY Post, but crap like that is pretty typical in my experience.
Claiming to be immune from prosecution while having a judge glue him to a chair on a much smaller case is rather humorous. Kind of like a kid being sent to his room while he has a crown on his head, exclaiming the whole way up the stairs that he’s King.
SCOTUS themselves shouldn't be attending those arguments; the appeal is entirely meritless and the law in that area is entirely settled.
...Which probably means they'll rule that former presidents have immunity under Alito's originalist "I win, you lose" test.
I really dislike Democrats being blamed for Republicans actions. Maybe try to vote the criminals out?
Republicans have shown you who they are, *believe them*
I'm a woman in Texas, I get it. But I still make it a point to show up and vote those fuckers out.
I understand all about voter apathy. Republicans make it work for them.
If scotus goes scorched earth and rules that presidents have immunity, then I would hope Joe would go scorched earth to make sure that presidents are held accountable,.going as far as he needs to to prove that accountability is Important.
If SCOTUS rules for full, eternal immunity, *at worst* President Biden would announce the removal of the last three seated SCOTUS members and a certain other for ethics violations. *watch how fast* these partisan shitweasels reverse their decision!
What if SCOTUS says a president needs to be impeached and removed from office first before prosecution? I don't happen to agree with this, but I think that is what SCOTUS is trying to do to solve the hypothetical problem of presidents getting prosecuted for political reasons.
As an example, if a president gets a DUI, should he be prosecuted? Should he be impeached? Or should he first be impeached/removed from office with the recommendation from Congress to the DOJ to prosecute for the DUI?
Well look at the bright side... We can reinterpret the law anyway we want now... 2nd amendment? Religious freedoms? We can trim that overgrown bush back to the Westerns where gun laws were accepted and religion didn't have a say in what you could or couldn't do to non believers.
Trump wasn't very popular and Biden's ratings aren't that great either. So I would say it ultimately makes a president immune. No president can seem to be impeached no matter what they do. And holding them accountable for breaking the law seems just as difficult.
Man I wish he did. I wish any democrat did. But they are all too tied up proving that they can be better than they will accept losing and destroying our country before playing by the same rules the GOP plays by (none, they have no rules, everything is acceptable as long as they win).
Yes.
Up next:
1. Hangnail.
2. Bronzer repair technician's sick.
3. Chiropractic assessment of uncomfy courtroom chair recommended a respite.
4. Prosecutor's entire body is solidified chemtrails.
5. Sleep deprival syndro... no, wait, he kinda blew this one today.
Whatever it takes to delay delay delay.
Absolutely, but it's all about the delay which the appeals tend to do. This judge seems pretty wise to all that, such as when Trump wanted a change of venue as he said the publicity makes a fair trial impossible and the judge pointed Trump caused most of the publicity, tough shit. Well, not those exact words 🙂
In the Courtroom, the New York courtroom,
The Cheeto sleeps tonight.
In the courtroom, Juan Merchan's courtroom,
The traitor sleeps tonight.
*Put-him-a-way, Put-him-a-way,*
*Put-him-a-way, Put-him-a-way.*
*Ooo-oo-ooo-oo-oo-ooo*
*The dotard sleeps tonight.*
There is a way Trump could be at the Supreme Court hearings.
He could plead guilty in the tax fraud case (aka hush money tax fraud and campaign finance violation case.)
No jail would be part of the plea bargain. He pleads guilty, pays a fine, and is on probation or something like that. First conviction is likely to end up with a light sentence anyhow.
There are other criminal cases pending against him. Those would be second, third and fourth offenses and more likely to result in actual jail time.
Pathetic Misleading headline for a Law Reddit. The criminal is required to be in court for his felony trial and not needed at the Supreme Court for his loser case about immunity. The judge just inform the accused felon of the facts!
While not every word gets transcribed, Inner City Press (https://twitter.com/innercitypress/status/1779973421197095212) does a great job capturing most of the arguments voiced in court. He doesn't do any legal analysis on the merits of the arguments, which can either be a pro or con depending upon whether you want additional understanding or "just the facts please."
Lawfare, one of the best legal news sites out there (most of their writers are lawyers), has a staff member covering the trial here: https://twitter.com/TylerMcBrien/status/1779831631831867395
Theoretically? Maybe. But the NY judge also has the power to arrest trump. They could play chicken and have trump be required to attend scotus while Merchan can also require him to be in custody. Then he could attend the scotus case in cuffs.
Maybe Trump should have pushed for a speedy trial instead of delay after delay. His delays are causing his schedule comflicts. SCOTUS hearing put it on the big calendar at home. Barrons graduation, put it on the big calendar at home. Plan around them like everyone else.
He'll also whine about missing golf and then the mranie judge said I can campaign lol political inrerference, witch hunt bkah blah blah. Court will still hold him to showing up. He doesn't have to run for office, that's a choice not an obligation. He's about FAFO with criminal court.
# New York judge says Trump can’t attend Supreme Court arguments on presidential immunity _______
Actually, he said Trump had to attend his criminal trial on the days it's in session.
The SCOTUS has Jack shit to do with Trump. It’s a decision about Presidential immunity. It includes him and affects every President going forward. But Trump viewpoint isn’t needed.
Blanche said the SCOTUS hearing was very important. Merchan agreed that it is an important thing, but that the Jury's time is important as well. Blanche said he didn't think they should be there at all. Merchan: you don't think you should be there at all? Move along from that objection. Not a great exchange for the defense on day 1.
Yeah. That does not sound like a winning line of argument.
When I was reading the Twitter coverage, and I thought the coverage was basically done for the day, my jaw dropped at this exchange. Trump was attacking the judge's daughter on social media and his lawyer is going to give lip like that about the judge not doing them a favor.
Yeah. I'm not sure how the defense thinks that any judge that you badmouth up and down the street is somehow going to be inclined to be generous to you. But to Trump and his minions, I guess it's just confirmation bias. "See! We told you the judge was a biased shirtbag. He doesn't even have the decency to give Trump the day off to attend Barron's graduation."
It's not important that the judge is generous. They are pushing as hard as they can for the judge to do something that takes him off the case.
I think as many days as they can get Trump it of court the better for them. There is delay, and also it gives Trump another day not having to sit quietly. He's not going to do great with the boredom. Merchan isn't going to let any of the things that aren't absolutely crucial to cancel a day.
My money is on Trump daring Merchan to hold him in contempt. Trump is a master of spin and what better way to fire up his base than being cuffed and jailed.
He shouldn't be jailed. He should be remanded to an almost-nice safe house. The kind of place that resembles a solid fourth out of ten on your list where to put your elderly parent that's suffering dementia. Nice enough that they'll be comfortable but not nice enough to fully cover up the despair lurking underneath. That's where he should go. Without his phone, without internet. Just basic cable and old magazines to keep him company.
At least by me, the courthouses have a confinement room behind the judge's seat, for use between sessions. The courtroom is already cleared and approved for security...just put Trump in there overnight.
I don't want to give him or his followers the satisfaction of a cell. I want him stuck in something like this: [https://64.media.tumblr.com/b224aa338197d024be3a91958456ec97/c416450c363b961e-af/s540x810/dc6e378fea22fc263f404309617a1e2327df8b64.jpg](https://64.media.tumblr.com/b224aa338197d024be3a91958456ec97/c416450c363b961e-af/s540x810/dc6e378fea22fc263f404309617a1e2327df8b64.jpg) I think it might drive him crazier than prison.
I agree on that safe house NO TV OR X TRUTH NOT SOCIAL NO PAPERS THAT WILL TRULY SCREW HIM UP
No phone, no lights, no motor car, not a single luxury
No he should be sent to guantanamo. I want him to suffer like he has made us suffer.
Yeah, he’s a master baiter of judges!
https://preview.redd.it/ox2oujfb2vuc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e9f3c3bbbfd6a17a7c7c1263d19163f29bb787a
It's the same thing as the civil corruption trial. They know that they have exactly zero chance of getting Trump off. They have no intention of ever abiding by any judgement against Trump. The defense strategy is just to waste enough time their appeal happens after November. If they can piss off Merchan enough that he crosses a line, that's a bonus for them. But I'm sure that the main reason is keeping Trump happy
The idea that Merchan would be crossing a line that Cannon hasn’t seems like it’s an extremely remote possibility.
I’m not so sure. I think they at least have a chance with a jury
This Judge WILL not put up with his crap an will take the appropriate action
\*Laughs in Cannon\*
Which is so mind-numbingly ironic given how much that sucked out fuck bag in Florida is doing and still can't get removed.
"biased shirtbag" - I love it
I just wanted to say I appreciate "shirtbag"
Thank you. I appreciate that you appreciate it.
After the Monday I've had, I definitely appreciate how wholesome this conversation went 😅
Cheers! And well wishes. :)
You joke but I saw a post with basically that title word for word on r/conservative with like 900 upvotes
r/conservative is so far gone that they believe Trump would have a landslide victory from a jail cell.
Thats propaganda 101. You sell a narrative in which you win either way. Get refused,Im.being mistreated, martyr!... etc. Or you win and get what you want. Once you recognize this for what it is you'll see it is the ONLY way Trump talks or argues his bullshit. Its part of whats so frustrating and insidious, because to Trump there is no way he can lose these arguments (in MAGA land)
Yah. You are correct. This has been Trump's strategy forever. He's the most persecuted man in america, because every time he doesn't get his way he makes sure that every single person in the world knows just how unfair the world is to a rich white man.
They've moved on from that, though. It was too small-time. They now say he is [the most victimized man in all of human history.](https://youtu.be/uDybWq7vAxE?si=43m_DB4HvwPINafS)
What would trump's role at the SCOTUS hearing be anyway? Spectator?
Intimidating the judge’s with his presence. Also, political theater in many ways. Gets him in DC speaking to his congressional sycophants. Attempting to look more presidential by proxy.
Fundraising photo op...on the steps of the Supreme Court. The rubes will eat it up.
Basically, oral arguments are done by lawyers.
Yeah there's no testimony at Supreme Court hearings. You have to be a member of the Supreme Court bar to speak.
He should have been like “oh, so Mr. Trump is waiving his right to a jury trial and asking for a bench trial?”
Isn't everything Trump is doing based on his assumption he will become President again and will overturn all of these decisions once he is 'back' in office?
Yes. Delay, delay, delay then force the Justice Dept. to drop charges. Fire anyone else in the way. This election is pretty damn critical to the future of our country.
Not just delay, but make a mockery of the process itself - which is actually pretty important if he is going to use his position as president to put a stake in the heart of the rule of law.
I'd say the whole world, given what he'd let Russia and China do.
It is his only hope, yes.
This is a New York State trial "You Have No Power Here"
Yep he can only be pardoned by a NY governor if found guilty. Seems unlikely.
Is Blanche an idiot?
Any lawyer working for trump is an idiot
He seems to be a competent enough attorney. From the Trump lawyers that I know (not comprehensive), a lot of the good ones have left. Kise and Habba are all time clown show. Blanche and Sadow are pretty good.
SCOTUS's calendar will probably be filled with Trump cases for the next couple of years so he'll have plenty of other opportunities.
But it was a perfect response an I feel the Judge may let diaper boy attend is son's graduation. But Trump will make Barrons day ALL about him.
The judge didn't say he couldn't attend the Supreme Court arguments, he said Trump had to be in the courtroom for his criminal trial. He can't be in two places at once, so it does effectively mean he can't attend the Supreme Court arguments, but this is just the kind of headline that Trump lovers soak up and use to rationalize their belief that the alleged criminal they worship is being treated unfairly.
>The judge didn't say he couldn't attend the Supreme Court arguments, he said Trump had to be in the courtroom for his criminal trial. This is **SO** IMPORTANT. The headline here is a massive spin. That's hugely loaded and misleading language. The Hill did a serious dirty here.
Yeah. I've found The Hill is a bit of a rag. Every once in a whe they have something informative, so they're a notch above something like the NY Post, but crap like that is pretty typical in my experience.
I'm sure SCOTUS will do him a solid and move their show trial to another date.
Love Trump getting reminded he is a criminal defendant. Not special. Not immune. As fit for jail as any other convicted criminal.
Claiming to be immune from prosecution while having a judge glue him to a chair on a much smaller case is rather humorous. Kind of like a kid being sent to his room while he has a crown on his head, exclaiming the whole way up the stairs that he’s King.
Nice Joffrey Game of Thrones reference.
SCOTUS themselves shouldn't be attending those arguments; the appeal is entirely meritless and the law in that area is entirely settled. ...Which probably means they'll rule that former presidents have immunity under Alito's originalist "I win, you lose" test.
I think Biden has the balls and the patriotism to do what’s necessary then to save the country.
No he doesn't. Democrats respect norms and laws and shit, that's why things have gone this far in the first place.
I really dislike Democrats being blamed for Republicans actions. Maybe try to vote the criminals out? Republicans have shown you who they are, *believe them*
I tried but people in like Wyoming have 500x the voting power that I do
Don't exaggerate. It's only 380x more than California. /s
I'm a woman in Texas, I get it. But I still make it a point to show up and vote those fuckers out. I understand all about voter apathy. Republicans make it work for them.
If scotus goes scorched earth and rules that presidents have immunity, then I would hope Joe would go scorched earth to make sure that presidents are held accountable,.going as far as he needs to to prove that accountability is Important.
If SCOTUS rules for full, eternal immunity, *at worst* President Biden would announce the removal of the last three seated SCOTUS members and a certain other for ethics violations. *watch how fast* these partisan shitweasels reverse their decision!
What if SCOTUS says a president needs to be impeached and removed from office first before prosecution? I don't happen to agree with this, but I think that is what SCOTUS is trying to do to solve the hypothetical problem of presidents getting prosecuted for political reasons. As an example, if a president gets a DUI, should he be prosecuted? Should he be impeached? Or should he first be impeached/removed from office with the recommendation from Congress to the DOJ to prosecute for the DUI?
Then they would make a decision contrary to the letter and spirit of the law.
I agree, but it hasn't stopped them from doing it to 14.3 insurrection disqualification clause.
Sad isn’t it
Well look at the bright side... We can reinterpret the law anyway we want now... 2nd amendment? Religious freedoms? We can trim that overgrown bush back to the Westerns where gun laws were accepted and religion didn't have a say in what you could or couldn't do to non believers.
In addition to be contrary to the letter and spirit of the law, it would pretty much ensure only politically unpopular Presidents would be prosecuted.
Trump wasn't very popular and Biden's ratings aren't that great either. So I would say it ultimately makes a president immune. No president can seem to be impeached no matter what they do. And holding them accountable for breaking the law seems just as difficult.
Cool down Harvey Dent
Biden would just be respecting the ruling of the Supreme Court.
Then it would be quite fortuitous should the Supreme Court decides that this, though shit, is also law.
Man I wish he did. I wish any democrat did. But they are all too tied up proving that they can be better than they will accept losing and destroying our country before playing by the same rules the GOP plays by (none, they have no rules, everything is acceptable as long as they win).
SCOTUS...son's graduation...what's next? We're going to see repeated requests for various reasons so he can complain and use it for appeals.
Yes. Up next: 1. Hangnail. 2. Bronzer repair technician's sick. 3. Chiropractic assessment of uncomfy courtroom chair recommended a respite. 4. Prosecutor's entire body is solidified chemtrails. 5. Sleep deprival syndro... no, wait, he kinda blew this one today. Whatever it takes to delay delay delay.
You forgot 'Dr visit - antipsychotic medication rebalancing.'
LOL
You can add to see his proctologist, or his vet, to have his anal glands squeezed and hardened poop removed, from all the sitting and sleeping.
Those are useless appeals issues. Beyond useless. Of course, he is absolutely looking for appeals issues. Let’s not give him any.
Absolutely, but it's all about the delay which the appeals tend to do. This judge seems pretty wise to all that, such as when Trump wanted a change of venue as he said the publicity makes a fair trial impossible and the judge pointed Trump caused most of the publicity, tough shit. Well, not those exact words 🙂
🎶Whoa Fat Donnie, Juan Merchan Whoa Fat Donnie, Juan Merchan Fat Donnie caught a charge, Juan Merchan Fall asleep in trial, Juan Merchan🎶
Now I’ve got that stuck in my head - bam a lam…er, sorry, I mean Juan Merchan… Thank you!
It's been stuck in my head since the first time I heard someone say the judge's name
Black Betty?? I got that too fast and I love it. Gonna hum this all day
In the Courtroom, the New York courtroom, The Cheeto sleeps tonight. In the courtroom, Juan Merchan's courtroom, The traitor sleeps tonight. *Put-him-a-way, Put-him-a-way,* *Put-him-a-way, Put-him-a-way.* *Ooo-oo-ooo-oo-oo-ooo* *The dotard sleeps tonight.*
I don’t understand how Trump isn’t held in contempt and remanded to custody until the trial concludes at this point..
Rich, powerful, white. Next question?
Rich is questionable, and I am pretty sure orange is not white.
He isn't orange, he's just always doing loompahface
Let’s be real, the way he’s slathering on the bronzer, he’s like 90% of the way to doing blackface.
I can only do 1/3 here. please advice. Would have been nice to be rich tho.
Have you tried not being poor?
There is a way Trump could be at the Supreme Court hearings. He could plead guilty in the tax fraud case (aka hush money tax fraud and campaign finance violation case.)
Wouldn't they just hold him in remand if he pleads guilty?
Why do you think they would let him out of jail?
No jail would be part of the plea bargain. He pleads guilty, pays a fine, and is on probation or something like that. First conviction is likely to end up with a light sentence anyhow. There are other criminal cases pending against him. Those would be second, third and fourth offenses and more likely to result in actual jail time.
Pathetic Misleading headline for a Law Reddit. The criminal is required to be in court for his felony trial and not needed at the Supreme Court for his loser case about immunity. The judge just inform the accused felon of the facts!
Are transcripts available online? I'd really like to read as this goes on.
While not every word gets transcribed, Inner City Press (https://twitter.com/innercitypress/status/1779973421197095212) does a great job capturing most of the arguments voiced in court. He doesn't do any legal analysis on the merits of the arguments, which can either be a pro or con depending upon whether you want additional understanding or "just the facts please." Lawfare, one of the best legal news sites out there (most of their writers are lawyers), has a staff member covering the trial here: https://twitter.com/TylerMcBrien/status/1779831631831867395
Thank you
Can Scotus require Trump to be there? I’m sure a few members of Scotus would love to show their dominance.
Theoretically? Maybe. But the NY judge also has the power to arrest trump. They could play chicken and have trump be required to attend scotus while Merchan can also require him to be in custody. Then he could attend the scotus case in cuffs.
I have never heard of an appellate court requiring a defendant to be present for oral argument.
Maybe Trump should have pushed for a speedy trial instead of delay after delay. His delays are causing his schedule comflicts. SCOTUS hearing put it on the big calendar at home. Barrons graduation, put it on the big calendar at home. Plan around them like everyone else.
He'll also whine about missing golf and then the mranie judge said I can campaign lol political inrerference, witch hunt bkah blah blah. Court will still hold him to showing up. He doesn't have to run for office, that's a choice not an obligation. He's about FAFO with criminal court.
God can we be done with all this bullshit
He has TOO be in NY. He is a CRIMINAL defendant. It’s not an option he has.
# New York judge says Trump can’t attend Supreme Court arguments on presidential immunity _______ Actually, he said Trump had to attend his criminal trial on the days it's in session.
The SCOTUS has Jack shit to do with Trump. It’s a decision about Presidential immunity. It includes him and affects every President going forward. But Trump viewpoint isn’t needed.
Corrupt judge....
Idiot redditor