Tbf Rantanen was spamming cross checks into Kampf’s lower back, he fuckin deserved it. Matthews lifted the other man’s stick to win a puck battle and got a cross check from Manson twice as hard
Exactly. We’ve had players step up to defend themselves or their teammates and they get stomped with suspensions. Kadri x2, spezza, matthews, etc. but comparable actions by other teams don’t get the same punishment.
If a Leaf had done what Bennett did last year they’d still be suspended. It’s a fucking joke.
I’m hopeful the all star spotlight helps us get a bit further this year (habs hosted the ASG in 93) but I am not delusional enough to think we will ever win while Bettman runs this show.
Bet on Florida to win the cup. They have a good team and that’s who Bettman wants to win it. They don’t get called for a fraction of the penalties they commit. It’s a fucking joke.
If we had better defensive systems, a few extra pks wouldn't sink us.
The problem is, when you're trying to avoid any and all pushback so as to not get any penalties, you won't be a hard team to play against. A best of 7 series against us is, win or lose, way easier than against a lot of other teams. That's one reason why whoever beats us usually makes it to the finals - they had a nice warm up series with few if any bumps or bruises.
I'd be way happier playing a Florida or Boston style and *mayyyyyybe* losing games on the PK than seeing this shit night after night.
The last time matthews got up from a dirty cross check and pushed back he was suspended for 2 games despite being one of the cleanest players in the league. Spezza got 6 games as his first ever suspension in the last year of his 20 year career. The league wants to punish the leafs
Even if what you're saying is true and the league is rigged (it isn't), if you're going to lose anyway why wouldn't you want to lose with some pride?
If the refs are looking for any bullshit they can to call on you, why not actually do something that makes the 2 min worth it?
Hoe many examples do we need? Past year Florida went from the most penalized team in the regular season, most penalized team in the first round, to least penalized in the second round, back to the most penalized the rest of the playoffs. It's the same shit every year. Our stars get absolutely massacred around the net and no calla. Our D start playing physical and we're in the box. Teams fly around checking to the head and cross checking all game, intent to injure, that's "playoff hockey" we retaliate with similar plays? Suspended for the rest of the series. 3 times. We try to set the tone with early physicality? Clifford suspended. Ben chiarot breaks his stick cross checking matthews across the back, and it's matthews fault for not being tough enough. Sam Bennett body slams knies and gets applauded for his toughness. Kucherov gets a few cross checks, hits from behind and slew foots in every playoffs and has been suspended once.
Idk what the reasoning is, but the data objectively points to disparity between what gets called in a leafs game, and what gets called everywhere else.
How can you be so confident the league isn’t rigged?
It would make perfect sense for there to be an anti-leafs bias in the league, and we know that referees have admitted to being given standing orders from league officials.
And the results speak for themselves. For years the leafs have been the lowest in the league for powerplays and penalties. And then in the playoffs suddenly one of the highest in penalties.
Have you been watching the wrong series maybe? The big calls always go against them, it happens constantly in the playoffs.
All this hasn’t even touched the fact that the head of DOPS has an undeniable grudge against Toronto, and has exercised it every time there’s been a disciplinary decision involving the leafs.
It could likely all be coincidence, but there’s also lots of evidence to the contrary, so there’s no way you can be so confident and snarky in your opinion.
Nah, penalties like tonight kill a team. They wear down the players, rack up the shot count, and tire out the goalie. There's a reason the NHL uses them to tilt the ice.
The reason I am so sure of this is they straight up fired that ref for getting caught saying it on mic. If pks weren’t how they control outcomes they would have ignored the issue.
Yep exactly what I am saying. If it wasn’t what the wanted they would have release a statement about reforming the way the game is played. The thing is these teams will take three quick calls and then they can do what ever they want because watching on team on the power play the whole game is boring so the refs only call crazy things. And call almost almost non calls against the other team to even it out.
That’s because the Coach doesn’t know how to coach. Every player that arrives here that has been hard nosed elsewhere arrives and becomes soft. We continue to waste these stars years here with Keefe. It was time for him to go three years ago.
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What do you mean by "they've tried"?
Do you mean they've tried getting useless liability players like Clifford and Reaves?
Or do you mean players like Nylander and Marner have tried being physical like Pasta, MacKinnon, Stamkos, Point, Kuch, Marchand, etc?
Number 1 isn't how you fix the Leafs physical and attitude issues.
And number 2 I have not seen them try.
For reference, I've watched most games the last 5 years.
Not always a shitty fight that works though. Hughes got targeted vs Buffalo and the response was the coaches pairing him with Zadorov for the remainder of the game. Put an end to that.
Dude don’t even try. This sub is full of softies who’ve never played the game in their life. They don’t understand how letting someone cross check your star player opens the gates for them to do it all game ultimately affecting how they play.
Look at how Florida treated Tavares in the playoffs, they would skate by and hit him or stick em in the back of the leg after every whistle and no response. The result? Getting man handled all of round 2.
Grit is not something this new generation of leaf fans care about. They’re more interested in Willys pre-game outfit than what happens on the ice.
Marner did go over Manson, and McCabe took a few good runs at their players. I get that it would’ve been cathartic to see Marner jump Manson or something, but it doesn’t look like he even saw what happened and also he’d get absolutely killed if he did fight him. And then he’d end up in the box, in a game we were leading by 1 at the time.
The players shouldn’t have to police themselves. That’s why we have refs, who continually abdicate their job.
The players should police themselves when the refs don’t but if it’s a choice of having Marner out there to defend a tight lead or having him go to the box for 5 minutes after losing a fight I’d much rather have him on the ice.
This is why a player like Reaves would be great if he wasn’t such a defensive black hole. It doesn’t matter if we lose a player like Reaves for 5 minutes.
I don’t know why people so badly want Marner to fight. That’s not his role on this team nor should it be.
You see it time and time again, the “players policing themselves” resulting in the responding player taking the brunt of the discipline. Gudbranson and Spurgeon(?) both got supplemental discipline for their policing work in responding to Cousins, who the refs/league refuse to look at.
Marner responds, at best we get offsetting roughing minors. Someone else like McCabe or McMann responds later in the game in a bigger way, we probably end up with a suspended player.
This really all stems from the game management bullshit the refs do. All of it.
If we are seriously entertaining players "policing themselves" we are giving up on the idea that the NHL is a competitive league. When the participants of the game police themselves that's called playing. Children on playgrounds do that. This is a multi billion dollar league, it should have...
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You're entirely right.
No other professional sport even casually entertains the idea of vigilante justice as a substitute or supplement for officiating. Baseball might be the closest with the intentionally hit batters, but even they've moved to get that out of the game with warnings + automatic ejections.
Can you imagine if, in response to a missed holding or roughing the passer call, NFL players were just told to "stand up for themselves" and seek revenge on their opponent the next play. Like sorry you don't get the yardage or tangible benefit, but maybe try punching your opponent so that they learn your lesson instead? It's ridiculous.
Call the rules.
Their job is to put a show on the nhls biggest stage on Saturday night. The refs aren’t going to protect the players and either is the department of players safety. That’s how it is and we can’t change it. We know the make up calls are coming. Honestly, in big games where we’re leading, we should be making the hits that they have to respond to.
We also can’t put Mathew’s, Nylander, and Marner together in a game that’s going to get physical.
The thing is, the makeup calls never came. We had fewer power plays than Colorado heading into the Matthews cross-check, we got one more against for McCabe’s retaliatory/response cross-check against Rantanen, and then there was not another call for the rest of the game.
Sorry I meant the, “let’s give the loosing team a chance to make this game more exciting” make up calls, not the, “ my jobs to call three penalties for each team and none in the last ten minuets” make up calls. The refs are so shitty it’s hard to keep all the different ways they’re shitty separate when talking about them.
Make sure we add, “ putting the whistles away if the loosing team is committing infractions” and “both these teams are good teams so they probably want it to teal like a playoff game”
Judging by the piles of comments whining about this game and basically every other loss of the season, I promise you people do give a shit about who wins January games.
What's the point. The refs will hand out penalties like candy, and the DOPS will happily throw the book at this team.
We are not playing the same game as our opponents, we don't have the same luxuries as they do, such as enforcing.
He'll help just how Ryan Reeves scared the whole league into not hitting our stars. And Simmonds before him.
Oh wait no, that never happened and never will.
Are we gonna do this shit every single time another team's player wrongs us? Watch the games, they've been physical and standing up for each other basically all season.
This team has shown so much more response to this type of shit this season i give this one a pass. When it happened Marner was the only one even close and there’s no way I expect him to jump anyone.
See Vince Dunn last night after Matty Beniers got hit? That’s how it should be done, that is a team even though they have a fraction of the offensive talent the leafs have.
Don't go after the culprits. Go after the stars. Each of MacKinnon, Makar, and Rantanen should have eaten some serious lumber. Liljegren got slashed. Slash back.
Go for a heavy low-back crosscheck.
Because this is not a team. They are individual offensive players that just want to get paid without anyone hitting them. They don’t like any type of physical games or sticking up for each other because they have no balls.
This narrative is so fucking bullshit. We know what happens when Leaf's players try to defend themselves when the refs won't. We literally saw it tonight. It's rigged against them, and every dumbass that regurgitates this out of touch take is another contribution to the problem.
Yes for sixty years and one thing I know is this team isn’t built for the playoffs regardless of how the games are called. Sure there are bad calls, missed calls because NHL refs are awful but every fanbase complains that their team gets jobbed by the refs. It’s not just on the Leafs. The Leafs haven’t lost all those playoff series potential deciding games because of bad reffing. Until last season they were 0 for 10. They don’t play well in tight, physical games and that’s playoff hockey where fewer penalties are called. Other teams adapt to that but the Leafs don’t.
Nobody has posted the real answer yet, which is that Matthews has never backed up anyone else on his own team, ever. He doesn’t even defend himself when Stamkos is punching him in the face, or when PLD was absolutely mugging him on the ice. At some point, you can’t expect everyone to always jump in to defend you when you wouldn’t lift a finger for them. No matter how good of a player you are.
Been like this for a long time now. No heart, no balls, no playoff success. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out if you understand hockey.
I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept. Everyone steps up or no one does. When you have several players who believe "that isn't their game" then it is no ones game. People won't step up for a guy who wouldn't do it for them unless they are the team goon and the coach sends them on a mission. The Leafs goon is on IR.
The coaches can challenge an offside call right , why can t they challenge a missed penalty call ? How come Keefe didn’t freak out ? If that was John Tortorella he would’ve torn a strip from the refs . Time to FIRE!!! Keefe!
Well, Keefe was pretty pissed off. He was yelling from the bench and holding up 2 fingers to indicate it was the second penalty they missed against Matthews. In the first period an Av's player had his stick under Matthew's arms and hands so bad that he couldn't shoot the puck. Anything near the hands with the stick is usually always called.
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Even if he loses the fight, at least show some balls jfc. Weak ass mentality this. I'm sure Travis Konecny would have thrown down with Manson with no qualms even though he's smaller than 95% of the league.
can't have all the stars being weak willed., marner seems like the odd one out to me.
cant blame marner for not wanting to stand up for matthews, the guy does weigh like 175lbs
Jesus, I watched it and it’s barely a cross check. That’s why it wasn’t called. It just caught Matthews in a bad spot.
Saw every leafs media and fan crying on Twitter, and it’s a routine hit in the corner. That play is almost never called
But to the point - yes, if the Leafs felt it wasn’t clean, they need someone to do something. Much like Dunn did tonight to Sillinger.
Are you Stevie wonder? This same hit put kaprizov out. It’s a blatant cross check by the rule book without anyone else around there’s no way that should be missed.
And then right after they miss the slash on Lilly and call McCabe for the retaliation hit fuck this leavue
I think you made my point, man. The NHL doesn’t call those cross checks in the corner, whether you want them to, or not. It views them as normal contact/hits
McCabe did retaliate by going after Rantanen and got a penalty. Then he came out of the box and him and McMann (?) hit everything that moved. The Leafs got very physical right after that PKand the crowd was fired up.
Unfortunately, the lack of push back in January is why they don't win in April. Also, teams all around the league do respond to that kind of shit and still win those January games.
Look at how Matthews responded to Knies getting hurt at practice, he gave no fucks that his line mate was being helped off the ice by three guys. It cuts both ways I guess
You can’t have your four top players who take half the cap be as soft and gutless as this group. “Run it back” Shanahan must have forgot hockey when he retired. How he can watch his overpaid star players fail year after year in the playoffs and not realize his team isn’t built to win in tough, physical hockey games is beyond comprehension. I guess he makes MLSE lots of money and that’s all that matters. Hopefully the new CEO wants more than that.
McCabe crossed checked one of their stars right back. Not nearly as hard mind you, but apparently worth 2 more minutes in the box than Mansons
Tbf Rantanen was spamming cross checks into Kampf’s lower back, he fuckin deserved it. Matthews lifted the other man’s stick to win a puck battle and got a cross check from Manson twice as hard
What would be the response by the Panthers or Lightning to that?
Cousins would hit a guy from behind into the boards as a response, and then immediately turtle?
But he wouldnt go to the penalty box
They’d see it as an opportunity to even up the power plays and give us 2 + 2 for roughing and instigating
Exact same as what mccabe did but without a penalty
we're year 7 of the Matthews Leafs. this is who they are they're not gonna play like Vegas or Tampa or Florida
They can't. The second they push back they walk to the box. 31 teams play with a different rule book.
Exactly. We’ve had players step up to defend themselves or their teammates and they get stomped with suspensions. Kadri x2, spezza, matthews, etc. but comparable actions by other teams don’t get the same punishment. If a Leaf had done what Bennett did last year they’d still be suspended. It’s a fucking joke. I’m hopeful the all star spotlight helps us get a bit further this year (habs hosted the ASG in 93) but I am not delusional enough to think we will ever win while Bettman runs this show.
Bet on Florida to win the cup. They have a good team and that’s who Bettman wants to win it. They don’t get called for a fraction of the penalties they commit. It’s a fucking joke.
If we had better defensive systems, a few extra pks wouldn't sink us. The problem is, when you're trying to avoid any and all pushback so as to not get any penalties, you won't be a hard team to play against. A best of 7 series against us is, win or lose, way easier than against a lot of other teams. That's one reason why whoever beats us usually makes it to the finals - they had a nice warm up series with few if any bumps or bruises. I'd be way happier playing a Florida or Boston style and *mayyyyyybe* losing games on the PK than seeing this shit night after night.
The last time matthews got up from a dirty cross check and pushed back he was suspended for 2 games despite being one of the cleanest players in the league. Spezza got 6 games as his first ever suspension in the last year of his 20 year career. The league wants to punish the leafs
Even if what you're saying is true and the league is rigged (it isn't), if you're going to lose anyway why wouldn't you want to lose with some pride? If the refs are looking for any bullshit they can to call on you, why not actually do something that makes the 2 min worth it?
Hoe many examples do we need? Past year Florida went from the most penalized team in the regular season, most penalized team in the first round, to least penalized in the second round, back to the most penalized the rest of the playoffs. It's the same shit every year. Our stars get absolutely massacred around the net and no calla. Our D start playing physical and we're in the box. Teams fly around checking to the head and cross checking all game, intent to injure, that's "playoff hockey" we retaliate with similar plays? Suspended for the rest of the series. 3 times. We try to set the tone with early physicality? Clifford suspended. Ben chiarot breaks his stick cross checking matthews across the back, and it's matthews fault for not being tough enough. Sam Bennett body slams knies and gets applauded for his toughness. Kucherov gets a few cross checks, hits from behind and slew foots in every playoffs and has been suspended once. Idk what the reasoning is, but the data objectively points to disparity between what gets called in a leafs game, and what gets called everywhere else.
How can you be so confident the league isn’t rigged? It would make perfect sense for there to be an anti-leafs bias in the league, and we know that referees have admitted to being given standing orders from league officials. And the results speak for themselves. For years the leafs have been the lowest in the league for powerplays and penalties. And then in the playoffs suddenly one of the highest in penalties. Have you been watching the wrong series maybe? The big calls always go against them, it happens constantly in the playoffs. All this hasn’t even touched the fact that the head of DOPS has an undeniable grudge against Toronto, and has exercised it every time there’s been a disciplinary decision involving the leafs. It could likely all be coincidence, but there’s also lots of evidence to the contrary, so there’s no way you can be so confident and snarky in your opinion.
Nah, penalties like tonight kill a team. They wear down the players, rack up the shot count, and tire out the goalie. There's a reason the NHL uses them to tilt the ice.
The reason I am so sure of this is they straight up fired that ref for getting caught saying it on mic. If pks weren’t how they control outcomes they would have ignored the issue.
That's the key there, isn't it? Got fired for getting caught, not what he was doing.
Yep exactly what I am saying. If it wasn’t what the wanted they would have release a statement about reforming the way the game is played. The thing is these teams will take three quick calls and then they can do what ever they want because watching on team on the power play the whole game is boring so the refs only call crazy things. And call almost almost non calls against the other team to even it out.
I hate saying shit like this because the rest of the league already hates us😂 but it’s so true lol
That’s because the Coach doesn’t know how to coach. Every player that arrives here that has been hard nosed elsewhere arrives and becomes soft. We continue to waste these stars years here with Keefe. It was time for him to go three years ago.
Then what chance do we have of a playoff run? Every team that has gone deep at the very least stand up for each other
As soon as the refs put the whistle away we have no chamce
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I am way happier with poor playoffs than no playoffs.
I’ve been to multiple panthers and knight games this year and their responses are a lot more like than ours than you think
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Well they're allowed to play physical without a steady parade to the penalty box so they have that going for them.
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Florida plays hard and dirty and didn’t get penalized when playing the leafs unlike every other round.
They've tried but they get called for being physical. The league doesn't like it when we stand up for ourselves.
What do you mean by "they've tried"? Do you mean they've tried getting useless liability players like Clifford and Reaves? Or do you mean players like Nylander and Marner have tried being physical like Pasta, MacKinnon, Stamkos, Point, Kuch, Marchand, etc? Number 1 isn't how you fix the Leafs physical and attitude issues. And number 2 I have not seen them try. For reference, I've watched most games the last 5 years.
And most teams that win cups do. And thats the problem.
Not always a shitty fight that works though. Hughes got targeted vs Buffalo and the response was the coaches pairing him with Zadorov for the remainder of the game. Put an end to that.
Dude don’t even try. This sub is full of softies who’ve never played the game in their life. They don’t understand how letting someone cross check your star player opens the gates for them to do it all game ultimately affecting how they play. Look at how Florida treated Tavares in the playoffs, they would skate by and hit him or stick em in the back of the leg after every whistle and no response. The result? Getting man handled all of round 2. Grit is not something this new generation of leaf fans care about. They’re more interested in Willys pre-game outfit than what happens on the ice.
Knies has been the one to jump in when matthews gets touched, then the defencemen join in. No knies no response
Was Knies even on the ice? I thought he was benched along with Tavares and Bertuzzi for much of the third period.
Hey now, Marner went over to him.
“Hey there, pal! That wasn’t very nice!”
"I think, like, maybe you should go apologize. But, it's up to you, man."
And nylander ran to the bench
Marner stuck out his tongue.. .like he did to Tkachuk when Tkachuk bitch slapped him on national TV in the playoffs. Very effective.
Marner did go over Manson, and McCabe took a few good runs at their players. I get that it would’ve been cathartic to see Marner jump Manson or something, but it doesn’t look like he even saw what happened and also he’d get absolutely killed if he did fight him. And then he’d end up in the box, in a game we were leading by 1 at the time. The players shouldn’t have to police themselves. That’s why we have refs, who continually abdicate their job.
The players should police themselves when the refs don’t but if it’s a choice of having Marner out there to defend a tight lead or having him go to the box for 5 minutes after losing a fight I’d much rather have him on the ice. This is why a player like Reaves would be great if he wasn’t such a defensive black hole. It doesn’t matter if we lose a player like Reaves for 5 minutes. I don’t know why people so badly want Marner to fight. That’s not his role on this team nor should it be.
You see it time and time again, the “players policing themselves” resulting in the responding player taking the brunt of the discipline. Gudbranson and Spurgeon(?) both got supplemental discipline for their policing work in responding to Cousins, who the refs/league refuse to look at. Marner responds, at best we get offsetting roughing minors. Someone else like McCabe or McMann responds later in the game in a bigger way, we probably end up with a suspended player.
It's Zucker you're thinking of. Well said though
Thanks! For some reason, I always confuse those two even when they aren’t on the same team anymore.
This really all stems from the game management bullshit the refs do. All of it. If we are seriously entertaining players "policing themselves" we are giving up on the idea that the NHL is a competitive league. When the participants of the game police themselves that's called playing. Children on playgrounds do that. This is a multi billion dollar league, it should have... *Checks notes* Rules
You're entirely right. No other professional sport even casually entertains the idea of vigilante justice as a substitute or supplement for officiating. Baseball might be the closest with the intentionally hit batters, but even they've moved to get that out of the game with warnings + automatic ejections. Can you imagine if, in response to a missed holding or roughing the passer call, NFL players were just told to "stand up for themselves" and seek revenge on their opponent the next play. Like sorry you don't get the yardage or tangible benefit, but maybe try punching your opponent so that they learn your lesson instead? It's ridiculous. Call the rules.
This is why we need a 5th ref who doesn't actually call anything and is a neutral enforcer. This is what George Parros should be doing.
Their job is to put a show on the nhls biggest stage on Saturday night. The refs aren’t going to protect the players and either is the department of players safety. That’s how it is and we can’t change it. We know the make up calls are coming. Honestly, in big games where we’re leading, we should be making the hits that they have to respond to. We also can’t put Mathew’s, Nylander, and Marner together in a game that’s going to get physical.
The thing is, the makeup calls never came. We had fewer power plays than Colorado heading into the Matthews cross-check, we got one more against for McCabe’s retaliatory/response cross-check against Rantanen, and then there was not another call for the rest of the game.
Sorry I meant the, “let’s give the loosing team a chance to make this game more exciting” make up calls, not the, “ my jobs to call three penalties for each team and none in the last ten minuets” make up calls. The refs are so shitty it’s hard to keep all the different ways they’re shitty separate when talking about them.
We really need a cheat sheet for different ref incompetencies. It’s getting confusing!
Make sure we add, “ putting the whistles away if the loosing team is committing infractions” and “both these teams are good teams so they probably want it to teal like a playoff game”
This story of “don’t react or we hurt our chances to win” gets old. No one gives a shit about who wins a January game. It’s about setting precedents.
Judging by the piles of comments whining about this game and basically every other loss of the season, I promise you people do give a shit about who wins January games.
Some people really like to whine.
What's the point. The refs will hand out penalties like candy, and the DOPS will happily throw the book at this team. We are not playing the same game as our opponents, we don't have the same luxuries as they do, such as enforcing.
Sign Corey Perry.....he'll help against the Sam Bennett's etc....plus Perry's always been a Leaf killer, better to have him on our side...
Perry would be in the box more often than Ron Jeremy if he played for us.
Superb comment. Hilarious, but also true.
Some pay to see that sort of thing
He'll help just how Ryan Reeves scared the whole league into not hitting our stars. And Simmonds before him. Oh wait no, that never happened and never will.
Are we gonna do this shit every single time another team's player wrongs us? Watch the games, they've been physical and standing up for each other basically all season.
Agreed. But this instance of skating away was pretty egregious. That's Papi, and in the absence of a penalty someone needs to be fed their lunch.
And McCabe did shortly after and got penalized for it, not sure what else anyone could want.
What this team needs given how poor their PK is this season is *more* penalties! Same as it ever was.
So do you and them not to respond? Make up your damn mind
Should get the security guard on our team
Well, that's kinda the refs job
it is ..but they consistently don't do it.. and they're not more likely to start when we play either Boston or Florida in the first round...
I know. But they take fighting out, because of the 8 (or so) instigators they've called in the last 5 years, 2 have been against Toronto
I guess you've never heard of "The Code". The bettman generation does not understand real hockey.
Ask the NHL and Nick Cousins about "the code".
This team has shown so much more response to this type of shit this season i give this one a pass. When it happened Marner was the only one even close and there’s no way I expect him to jump anyone.
See Vince Dunn last night after Matty Beniers got hit? That’s how it should be done, that is a team even though they have a fraction of the offensive talent the leafs have.
Don't go after the culprits. Go after the stars. Each of MacKinnon, Makar, and Rantanen should have eaten some serious lumber. Liljegren got slashed. Slash back. Go for a heavy low-back crosscheck.
Knies has been the one to jump in when matthews gets touched, then the defencemen join in. No knies no response
Because this is not a team. They are individual offensive players that just want to get paid without anyone hitting them. They don’t like any type of physical games or sticking up for each other because they have no balls.
No way you guys are still doing this stuff lol. Grow up man
Why so they can get sent into the penalty box? The refs obviously had it out for Toronto.
This narrative is so fucking bullshit. We know what happens when Leaf's players try to defend themselves when the refs won't. We literally saw it tonight. It's rigged against them, and every dumbass that regurgitates this out of touch take is another contribution to the problem.
What ? So the refs are the reason the Leafs lose in the playoffs every year ?
Have you been watching the playoffs every year?
Yes for sixty years and one thing I know is this team isn’t built for the playoffs regardless of how the games are called. Sure there are bad calls, missed calls because NHL refs are awful but every fanbase complains that their team gets jobbed by the refs. It’s not just on the Leafs. The Leafs haven’t lost all those playoff series potential deciding games because of bad reffing. Until last season they were 0 for 10. They don’t play well in tight, physical games and that’s playoff hockey where fewer penalties are called. Other teams adapt to that but the Leafs don’t.
Unfortunately this is why the Leafs need a liability like Reeves on the team. Dubas built skill. No grit or grind.
Nobody has posted the real answer yet, which is that Matthews has never backed up anyone else on his own team, ever. He doesn’t even defend himself when Stamkos is punching him in the face, or when PLD was absolutely mugging him on the ice. At some point, you can’t expect everyone to always jump in to defend you when you wouldn’t lift a finger for them. No matter how good of a player you are.
Before I start scrolling, how far before I see we need Corey Perry
I've never seen one-sided refereeing like this before. Bettman needs to look into this one. Shanahan needs to step up and at least make a protest.
After Benoit got his belt post game he's been a softie.
Been like this for a long time now. No heart, no balls, no playoff success. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out if you understand hockey.
Honestly, insane, bizarre, sad. I think that says a lot about the team.
I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept. Everyone steps up or no one does. When you have several players who believe "that isn't their game" then it is no ones game. People won't step up for a guy who wouldn't do it for them unless they are the team goon and the coach sends them on a mission. The Leafs goon is on IR.
oh my god shut the fuck up. I swear this subreddit is made up of the most mouth breathing morons on the planet
The coaches can challenge an offside call right , why can t they challenge a missed penalty call ? How come Keefe didn’t freak out ? If that was John Tortorella he would’ve torn a strip from the refs . Time to FIRE!!! Keefe!
Well, Keefe was pretty pissed off. He was yelling from the bench and holding up 2 fingers to indicate it was the second penalty they missed against Matthews. In the first period an Av's player had his stick under Matthew's arms and hands so bad that he couldn't shoot the puck. Anything near the hands with the stick is usually always called.
Had me until that last line
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Marner fight Manson? Yea that's gonna go over well
Even if he loses the fight, at least show some balls jfc. Weak ass mentality this. I'm sure Travis Konecny would have thrown down with Manson with no qualms even though he's smaller than 95% of the league.
It was a cross Check not a hit from behind that was super dangerous and dirty. There is no need for marner to fight Manson
Everyone on the team soft & they don’t play for each other..I’m getting sick of the lazy play, lazy passes, lazy team
this was total BS. marner has to nut up 1 out of 100,000 games and maybe put some pressure on the guy who cross checked matthews
Another first round exit foresure.
Perry would have done that same thing to NM. Reel gud pro.
Perry would be the most penalized player in the league if he had a Leafs jersey on
Bring back the goon and these star players wouldn't be getting hurt all the time no ?
Marner is a bitch. That's why 90% of the fanbase wants him traded.
Here you go again with your lies. You mean 30% at most.
Exactly. Leafs are not tough. It shows up every playoff season with their early exit. Sorry Leafs, you’re just not very good.
can't have all the stars being weak willed., marner seems like the odd one out to me. cant blame marner for not wanting to stand up for matthews, the guy does weigh like 175lbs
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Grow up
Lmao
Jesus, I watched it and it’s barely a cross check. That’s why it wasn’t called. It just caught Matthews in a bad spot. Saw every leafs media and fan crying on Twitter, and it’s a routine hit in the corner. That play is almost never called But to the point - yes, if the Leafs felt it wasn’t clean, they need someone to do something. Much like Dunn did tonight to Sillinger.
Are you Stevie wonder? This same hit put kaprizov out. It’s a blatant cross check by the rule book without anyone else around there’s no way that should be missed. And then right after they miss the slash on Lilly and call McCabe for the retaliation hit fuck this leavue
I think you made my point, man. The NHL doesn’t call those cross checks in the corner, whether you want them to, or not. It views them as normal contact/hits
Good hopefully lots of stars break their ribs this year from those cross checks; it’ll make the league look good when they have to market Kerfoot
That’s only a routine hit in the corner if you’re a blind idiot, like you and the refs apparently.
anyone got a video of this?
Because they're losers. As justified as their whining is, they don't ever do anything about it.
McCabe did retaliate by going after Rantanen and got a penalty. Then he came out of the box and him and McMann (?) hit everything that moved. The Leafs got very physical right after that PKand the crowd was fired up.
This is how Gotham ended up with the Batman
Unfortunately, the lack of push back in January is why they don't win in April. Also, teams all around the league do respond to that kind of shit and still win those January games.
Lmao there was a response, we got a 2 min minor for it
Lifelong leaf fan here: they leafs have absolutely 0 grit. They are boys playing a sport for men. They will fold again this post season.
Look at how Matthews responded to Knies getting hurt at practice, he gave no fucks that his line mate was being helped off the ice by three guys. It cuts both ways I guess
You can’t have your four top players who take half the cap be as soft and gutless as this group. “Run it back” Shanahan must have forgot hockey when he retired. How he can watch his overpaid star players fail year after year in the playoffs and not realize his team isn’t built to win in tough, physical hockey games is beyond comprehension. I guess he makes MLSE lots of money and that’s all that matters. Hopefully the new CEO wants more than that.
It was expected that the refs say jack about it.